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You have to remember that not everyone that buys a BMW is on these forums or other enthusiast forums. Even if they are, it doesn't mean they drive the cars too hard or thrash on them. There is a glut of people that drive their cars "normally" and thus leave a used car in great condition.
Given this, from a purely financial perspective buying a CPO is better than a new car any day of the week. I'm not knocking anyone that buys a new car (finance or lease). If you have the money, then go for it. But don't delude yourself by justifying that the only way to go is to buy a brand new car because a used CPO "will" fail.
With my saving of around $10k on a loaded 335i, I'll buy a few 14k gold clothespins for my nose. I'll adjust somehow! :shades:
GEEZ!!
I know the whole depreciation hit a new car takes and that it is financially more responsible. I'm not so much worried about how the cars are treated (abused or driven to church on Sunday) as I am about how the car was maintained. Turbos need oil and I don't think new oil every 15K is going to cut it if I want to keep the car past the 100K mark. Was the car broken in properly? Did the previous lessee start to put regular gas in it when gas climbed past the $3.50 per gallon mark?
BUt logic does seem to get thrown out the window when you're talking about twin turbos, 300 hp/300 lb-ft of torque...
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Here's it is:
2007 335i Sedan (Black Saphire/Black Leather)
Metallic Paint, Cold Weather, Premium, Sport, Power rear sunshade
10.4 K miles
Asking price $38,900
The same car today on BMW's website has an MSRP of $ 48,000
So they're saying the 2 year old '07 335i is only worth $10K less than brand new. To me that car is worth $34K tops. It is either a lease return or a trade-in (in which case they probably gave the guy $31-$32K). At trade-in time (when he couldn't believe how low the trade-in value was compared to what he paid just 2 years ago) they probably told him that since it is RWD (The car is in MA, AWD country) and a Stick it will be hard to get rid of. They'd probably tell me if I was interested that the stick is rare, the car had to be brought up to CPO standards, they have to pay BMW for the CPO warranty, and they'll only offer a small discount off their CPO askin price.
An '09 335i sedan built to my specifications: Crimson Red ($0), Black Leatherette ($0), 6-speed stick ($0), Sport, Cold Weather, SIRIUS, & iPod adap. stickers for $45,220.
The asking price of the used car is only $6K less than the new car's MSRP (and nobody pays MSRP for BMWs unless it is a new m-car or 1 series) built the way I want it.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Asking price is just that; they expect you to bargain. They want to get rid of these cars.
20k miles at Crevier - 32.8k suggested price.
14k miles at McKenna - 34k suggested priced
15k miles at Century West - 35k fully loaded
Yes they're all autos. Let's be clear, finding a used manual 335i so soon is kinda a longshot. That's an enthusiast's car. The person who ordered that car wanted that car. And the people who want them are very definite about what they want .
This morning at around 6:45 AM when I checked in to see if anyone had seen and responded to my post, I decided to wait until this evening to view the replies. As I wasn't sure whether I'd be pilloried. vilified or otherwise burned at the stake for suggesting buying new, I really didn't feel like being distracted by the replies.
I was actually pleasantly surprised! By no means did I intend to infer that every CPO BMW is destined for the hydraulic lift. In fact, I saw a 325 (xi, I think) that looked cherry except for a 6" down-to-the-primer scratch on the front passenger door that I asked to be repaired as a condition of the sale. I got no reply from the dealer. It's not a negotiable item. Fix the $^#$ door BEFORE putting it on sale.
The CPO cars look (mostly) great, and it's great fun to stroll between them. It IS a shame that so many are slushboxes. In addition, my local dealer raised the "no haggle" price based on the demand.
In spite of what they call it, CPO = "previously owned", "little old lady from Pasadena", "used" plus a warranty (not a guarantee) that issues will be addressed. I just have a nervous feeling that I'll hear, sooner or later, "Well, what did you expect from a used car?" Anyone can be a "sharp dressed man", to quote a long-bearded rock trio, but it's what's behind the Grinch grin that's important.
As I said, to each his own. For now, one car is paid off, the other has 60 months to be paid off, and I haven't made my first payment yet. It'll hurt on October 7th, and I'll let you know how much pain results.
May ALL your travels face-to-face the Rondel be pleasant, flat-free (especially RF!), and high speed-Trooper-free!
xeye
2008 335i Sedan, Sports Package, Manual, Black/Black, 4 year BMW Assist + Blue Tooth, Aluminum Interior Trim... that's it! nice and simple.
Sale price: $40,160, 0.9%, Zero Down!
The car had 6 miles on it It was a pleasurable buying experience at South Bay, and I highly recommend them! I absolutely love this new car..especially the 6spd manual! Low end torque is very satisfying. The car looks absolutely beautiful and it's so much fun to drive.
Good luck in your buying experiences.
Joseph
San Diego
IIRC, you were flirting with getting an M3, but the 335i is a much smarter choice for a daily driver.
Enjoy your new car. It sounds terrific.
I thought that's still too expensive considering it's 2007. is there sth wrong with 2007?
No 6 sp manual available either. The salesman said usually you have to order 6sp manual. is that true?
2. Finding a manual on a lot is pretty rare. Most manuals today are special ordered as Americans are lazy and dealers want the extra cash an automatic guarantees.
2009 328xi + Premium + cold + nav + xeon + parking sensor, MSRP around 46k
for purchase, it's invoice price + $1000
for 36m lease, it's $520/month + $5000 down payment
Do you think it's a good deal?
It's really doesn't matter for me to drive a 2008 or 2009 328xi, but the dealer told me that most 2008 328 already sold out the north east region (which i have doubt about that...), that's why I forced to look at the 2009 model.
2009 has no auto transmission rebate, and the base MSRP is $1k more expensive.
Also, you should visit www.leaseguide.com and read up on exactly what needs to be known and negotiated for a lease: money factor, residual, sales price, etc.
it has 0240 Leather steering wheel
0249 Multi-function steering wheel 04AB Dark Burl Walnut wood trim
0403 Moonroof 0441 Smoker's package
0521 Rain sensor and auto headlight 0534 Automatic air conditioning
0544 Dynamic cruise control 0563 Ambient light package
05GA Alarm pre-wiring 0507 Park Distance Control (rear)
0620 Voice activation 0677 Logic7 sound system
0693 Satellite radio preparation 0694 CD changer preparation
06UH Real Time Traffic Information 0609 Navigation system
0ZCW Cold Weather Package 0ZPP Premium Package
what you guys think is best deal on this car, it has baout 14k miles on it, please help me out, this is my first time buying any bmw, thank you all for your time
i believe you can offer him 30k and negotiate from there.
I would appreciate outlining the differences between riding characteristics of the
325 and 330, rear wheel and all wheel.
Is there an appreciative power sag with the 325?
Is the 'x" a bit flat off the line and around corners?
Is the all wheel a MUST in snow or is the rear wheel fine with good tires?
I've owned a 1994 325i and 1997 540i - loved them both but was a life time ago - in the past 11-14 years I've LEASED MB SL 500, CLK 320, porsche carrera, Jag VDP and most recently a Infiniti M35x - The Infiniti is an awesome car! However, I miss the driving fun only a BMW offers.
Alas, I will have to get use to a lack of creature comforts that this 57 year old got very used to!
Offered prices in several dealers: all are CPO with under 25 K mileage
2006 325i - 25K
325xi- 26K
330i - 28K
330xi- 29k
hELP ME MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE
TIA
DOCGARY
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-2021 Sahara 4xe-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
If it may help YOUR decision, I was faced with these choices a few years ago and ended up getting the 330i. To me, acceleration of the 325i was adequate while acceleration of the 330i put a smile on my face. It made the difference between pleasant to drive and fun to drive, from an acceleration point of view. You lose some acceleration and fuel efficiency with the heavier xi - ALL YEAR ROUND. I went with the i and did the winter wheels/tires changeover thing. The car was fine in NY winter.
2008 335i Sedan $48.5 MSRP 36mo/12K - Premium, sport, paddle shifters, steptronic auto, iPod/usb and navigation. Cash out the door $1640 and based monthly payment before tax was $544. I believe I did OK. What do you think?
I'm looking at a 2008 335i. $42k MSRP. 36mo/12k. Premium, Sat, Auto. $800 down (inc first month payment). $571/month after tax.
I believe BMW CPO should be something that I don't need to worry right? other than brake and wheel, BMW should cover everything, that's my impression at least.
This CPO is below kelly blue book price, that make me concern as I don't know if the dealer are going to play any trick with me.
other than a exterior inspection and test drive, what should I check?
MSRP: 41300
Non metallic paint
Premium Pkg
Heated seats.
Is it good?
the price is around 1k above invoice, that's the best deal i got for 2009 3 series when i shopped bmw in the last few weeks.
Which is better?
i have a similar dilemma last week, but turned out I bought a fully loaded 2007 CPO for 31k.
For me, if I can get a 2008 and 2009 same price, with the exact color and package that I want, I will go for the 2008 to save 4k. but it's really depend of a lot of things, If 4k is not something you care and bmw is your dream, then let go for the 2009.
as you might know that bmw has a rebate for 2008 auto transmission, let try to push your dealer to give u a better offer on 2008!
2009 model $38900
2008 model $37000
Msrps are
2009 model - $41300
2008 model - $40600
dealer quoted me the following deal... is this any good?
Black with Black leatherette
Auto Trans
Power Seats
& Heated Seats.
No money down just pay 1st month and DMV fees (tax rolled into payment NJ)
$471 a month ...?
I am a returning BMWF customer not sure if that helps or not.
Thanks
Steven
A Colorado dealer (400 miles away) provided this quote for a 2008 BMW 335xi Coupe with the Premium and Cold Weather Packages, Automatic, Comfort Access and Back-up Sensors:
* MSRP $49125
* Selling price $44465 (Invoice less $1260 for Auto Trans Incentive)
* Dealer handling fee $389
* $0 cash down with BMW FS
Being the end of the year and the financial climate we find ourselves in, is this a good deal or could I realistically expect the dealer to go a bit lower?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this one.
Joseph
Any of you have any insight if this is a good deal.. i can't get the dealer to budge but yet i keep seeing the replies in this forum talking about an automatic trans discount of $1200.
Any ideas or suggestions would be great... i am in a bind of what to do... otherwise should i wait for an 09?
sports package
premium and cold weather package
upgrade harmon Kordon radio - ?logic 7?
xenon lights
rear sun shade
new tires x 4
interesting interior color - brown med/dark
2 small dings on driver door - to be fixxed by dealer
$26,428 ( original $28,995 discounted to 27,000 (dropped ~$500)
..3.9% ...no $ down...$513 per month x 60 months OTD
decent price??
TIA
docgary
it sound a fair deal to me, esp for a return bmwf customer.
let try to quote for some NY dealer, most of the time they offer better price than nj dealer.
Thanks for your help appreciate it! I was looking for white and beige but since they had black on black that is also a nice color combo i can deal with.. just will be doing a lot more cleaning that usual.
I thought it was fair too. But then the more i thought about them clearing out 08's and then this automatic trans discount i wondered if it really was as good as they are making it appear..?
Thanks again!
that's what make me think $470 is only a fair deal. If you can wait, why don't you wait till the month end, i believe the dealer will definitely call you up to discuss.
In case anyone didn't notice, they quietly drop some of their lease payments on '08 models.
For example, when "lease special" started, they quoted $549/month for 335xi Sedan (base on MSRP of 46k).
Today, it's $509
that would be a huge deal in payments for me.. and would seal the deal for an 2008.
Black/Beige loaded with premium, cold weather, nav, sport and is an auto.
5200 miles.
Any feedback is appreciated since me and my girl are going back tomorrow with a decision!
They are used and abused... big deal its 800 below invoice..you are getting a car that has been used with 5k miles there is no way that is just around town stuff and even you know the blah blah speech it was babied... yea ok.. it was absuded and beat on like no tomorrow. Leave it and wait for another deal to come around.
negotiate on an inventory 08 they are slim pickens but they ARE out there...give him 100 check and tell him to locate you one or your out.
Lease for 328xi Sedan
MSRP = $40,100
$419 month,
• $419 First months payment
• $2,500 Down payment
• $450 Security Deposit
• $3,369 Cash due at signing
That is a horrible deal, dealer trying to rip you off. Charging you $45,800 for vehicle with 5000 miles is crap.
I just priced your vehicle on carsdirect.com (they give instant quote). Price might vary depending on zip code but this is what I got in Colorado.
MSRP $46,850
Target price = $43,774
Also keep in mind this is for vehicle with 0 miles
Any I am in the market for a used or CPO BMW.
But the problem is I want to either purchase private party to save some $$ and then get the 100k warranty, but how much does it cost to get the 100k warranty?
Any idea how much the 100k maintainence plan is?
I am in the market for a 7 series but nobody is responding in that thread!
I imagine the price is the same for 3 series or 7 series.
PLEASE HELP. making the deal tomorrow!
I had an AWESOME bmw x5, 4.4i, sport package, x-drive, loved it.
It got totaled.
SO... while i had the x5 i got a 335 rental and LOVED IT, so i was looking at used 330xi's , 06 and above, to replace the x5 just because i love the way they drive, awesome car, plus the 20/30 is a nice change from my x5s 16/22.
I also am intrigued by the 2008 r32's, and used theyre about the same for a lot less milage and more warranty. updated...i just drove one today, and it is AWESOME. totally unexpected, its actually more fun than the 3 series, and im a HUGE bmw fan so thats saying a lot. i even went to the bmw driving school, i think theyre the benchmark. that car was GOOD. so now im thorougly confused...
I drove an a4, it was a 06 2.0t, and was really unimpressed (we have a q7 and it did not hold up to the standard set by the q), so im thinking maybe an 05 s4 would be a nice choice and would drive differently, but again, the gas milage...
AND, the subaru sounds like an all-around good buy, but i dont know if i can see myself actually getting one. (and possibly, i could look at fx's again, i looked at em when i got my x5, but i kinda wanted to move away from the suv thing, so if i got another one its prob be an x5)
if anyone could give my any advice or insight or opinion ill take anything i can get!! thank you guys so much!! please help i cant decide!! ive only driven the 330i, and so far ive set that as a benchmark for anything else i drive...
Thanks for the help!!!!