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Thanks
Best Regards,
Shipo
Here's a link to another post that has a link to a complete description of the "Rizzo Method".
If the link doesn't work (i'm new at this...), just go to message # 22259 in the "BMW 3-Series Sedans" forum.
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I faxed about 10 dealers on my last purchase. Most ignored my offer, two called back to say "full MSRP on ED", and one called back, countered my offer by a few hundred dollars and we concluded the whole deal in 10 minutes on the phone. Easiest car buying experience I've ever had.
Best of luck,
j.
I was confused with the 2 events. I was thinking the Dallas Auto show on April-13. Is the event on the 11th the 'drive across america"? I could not get a place for this event.
AMT-
DL
I am not a member of the BMWCCA. I will not get a membership at this time. So I will pass the event on the 11th. I will probably visit the Dallas auto show which is only $10.00.
have fun at the show.
AMT-
DL
Thanks.
I also don’t think you could buy from a dealer there, I think it has to come directly from the manufacturer.
I know I would be impatient if I had to wait 3 months after I ordered (and paid); though the $’s saved would be a nice consolation.
Best Regards,
Shipo
dlaw,
I took the ED Wholesale price, added the USA Invoice prices for all options, the Destination charge and a line item called "Dealer Profit" of $1000. Then subtotalled to get the "Negotiated Selling Price" for the lease. Then I added the base Acquisition Fee (no markup) and totalled everything to get the Gross Cap Cost for the lease (which is also the Adjusted Cap Cost since you don't want to put any money down on a lease).
Then I listed all the lease terms: Money Factor (base - no markup), Residual %, Term, Mileage Allowance, Monthly Payment, Sales Tax, Total Monthly Payment. Car_Man can get you the MF and Residual for your specific lease over in the "Lease Questions" forum.
The key is to list everything at cost/invoice price and consolidate the dealer profit on the deal into one line item. Makes the negotiation much easier, as it's the only line item up for discussion. Conventional dealers love to make profit in five or six different places on a lease deal, but if you are patient you will find an enlightened dealer who knows how to deal with an educated customer.
I honestly didn't pay any attention to time of the month, though I suppose the end of the month is still the best time to buy a car.
j.
Sorry for the late post. It's been a busy week. The weather in May in Germany is usually pretty nice. Spring is in full swing, so bring your allergy meds if you have allergies. Might have a little rain of course since it is Germany. Low's at night mid to upper 40's, highs usually in the upper 70's - low 80's.
Hopefully I'll get a production date for early June. I didn't order it until early March.
Once I get the VIN number for the car it'll be delivered in 2 weeks.
307web,
No, these are more dealer "junk" fees that are just euphemisms for "dealer profit."
There are car manufacturers where this isn't true, but for BMW, the only fees mandated by the manufacturer (for a lease through BMWFS) are Destination Charge ($695) and Acquisition Fee ($625). Everything else - doc fee, adv fee, dealer prep, weatherizing, undercoating, pin striping (God help us...), MF markup, Acq Fee markup - these are all "dealer profit." And since BMW (last I checked) doesn't use a system of "hold backs", the Invoice or "Confidential Wholesale" pricing you've seen on this forum really is the dealer cost, so you don't have to play games guessing at what is yet another source of dealer profit for dealers of most other car manufacturers.
The dealer that I ultimately bought from had no problem at all having all the profit in the deal plainly stated and consolidated on one line item called "dealer profit." You shouldn't have any trouble finding a similar dealer willing to work on this basis.
j.
1. spoke to a SoCal dealer over the weekend who said he'd custom config an '06 325i for me (i want nav and basically no other options) and said he'd ask for $1000 below MSRP -- this wasn't a negotiation, I was just trying to get rough comp b/t an '06 and an '05 that has more options than I want but does have the incentive.
2. my wife and i went to NY auto show yesterday and saw the new 3 in person (although it's really annoying that bmw won't let you in their cars, when infinity, acura and lexus do). I liked the looks, although my wife prefers the '05. Three observations. (1) There's on crease next to the hood at the top of the quarter panel that's pretty strange looking and doesn't show in the pictures. Makes the car look a little like it was pieced together like legos. not a big deal, but certainly not a beauty mark. (2) the visibility out the back looks like it will be terrible. The back window is tiny and in terms of true vertical plumb line can't be more than 4 or 5 inches (the glass is big b/c of the very gentle slope). Of course, they wouldn't let us in the car, so we couldn't test this hypothesis. (3) rear legroom looks totally unimproved -- the passenger seat was all the way back and there was maybe 2 inches tops. (4) when we walked by the rep was happened to be taling about the bigger trunk, thx to slightly larger body and no spare with the run-flats. Someone asked to see the trunk and she said she wasn't allowed to open it. hilarious.
Is it true you guys get state-side gas prices? I would be driving a hummer all over Europe, if that was the case.
If you'll email me (address in my profile), I will send you the spreadsheet I use. Too much data to post here.
j.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Anyone know if the E90 is being built in SA ? If so whats the Vin# difference from the German models.
DL
impressions:
it drives awesome and handles even sharper than the current model. it didnt have active steering (thank god), but it came w/ i-drive. i noticed there was a distortion on the rear window, probably early production issue. also didnt bother to test the i-drive, as i really doubt itll be any different than the current version.
Im actually a bit surprised at how "common" it looks, unlike what i saw in pictures the new 3 looks pretty similar to the old one. also theres this odd looking crease on the side of the hood that somehow works imo. the wheels, however (17" multispoke), totally ruined the looks.
the interior actually felt nicer than the 5, even though the design is similar. the materials used are far better than the 5er. didnt test the backseats, so no comments for now. i might consider one next yr or so, when all the bugs have been taken care of.
Luke
First, I find your posts to be very informative, especially when you share the personal experiences with your vehicles. Since I will be new to the BMW family, it's been helpful in hearing what previous owners have to say
My wife and I are having the discussion re: the E90, specifically when it comes to the i versus xi. Do we save some money and go for the RWD, or for piece of mind, do we get the AWD? First, I found this interesting article from Popular Mechanics about the difference between FWD and RWD that this forum may be interested in reading: http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/auto_technology/1266931.html?page=1&c=y
My questions to you are where did you feel the difference in the All-Season tires versus the stock tires on the BMW? Did they have better road grip? Also, did your 530i have some version of traction control or was it strictly a tire issue?
Thanks again for your posts.
Luke
Gee thanks, I think I blushed. ;--)
Regarding how to set your (potential) BMW up for winter, I know many around here might disagree with me, however, IMHO, unless you live in the Canadian Rockies you don't really have a need for the AWD "xi" option. So, in my opinion, you should go for the RWD "i" model, and then "buy" a little extra "piece of mind" from TireRack.com (or your favorite tire dealer), and for less money than the "xi" option no less. When I said "buy", I meant that you should buy some winter tires, which in many ways will more than offset the capabilities of AWD.
Said another way, all "xi" models are equipped with All-Season tires from the factory. If you take two otherwise identical E90s, one with the "xi" option and OEM tires, and the second with the "i" option and equip it with Winter tires, the results under most circumstances should be the following:
- The AWD car should accelerate through deep snow and on ice a little faster than the RWD car.
- The RWD car should handle better in the snow and on ice
- The RWD car should stop shorter in the snow and on ice
Some folks might be surprised by the above; however, it is actually quite logical. That the AWD car will accelerate faster is really no surprise, however, that the RWD car will turn and stop quicker is due to three things:
1) The RWD car weighs less than the AWD car, which means less mass to lug around.
2) The RWD car has tires that are much better suited to the purpose of winter driving than the OEM All-Season tires.
3) The DSC (Dynamic Skid Control) system is there to keep the car in line if you are a little over zealous with your turns or find yourself stopping with one side of the car in snow and the other on glare ice.
Item #3 sort of answers your last question, yes, my 530i (and every other BMW sold here since the mid to late 1990s) had a traction control system called DSC. Regarding your tire choices; from the factory you effectively have the choice of two types of tires, depending upon which model you order and whether you order the Sport Package in conjunction with the RWD "i" model. In short, the base "i", and all versions of the "xi" get All-Season rubber, while the SP version of the "i" get upgraded three season high performance tires. The problem with All-Season tires is that they are very much a compromise. Their traction capabilities are sorta kinda okay in the summer, and they are also sorta kinda okay in snowy conditions as long as the roads are flat and smooth and there isn't too much snow. The fact is that they will not perform as well in the warmer months as will the performance tires, and they will not perform as well in the colder months as will winter tires, and that difference in performance might just be the extra margin you need to avoid a serious situation if someone else does something that might be called "ill advised."
I live in snowy New Hampshire, we've had nearly 300 inches of snow up here since we move here 2.5 years ago, and trust me, roads around here are anything but straight and flat. So, with that in mind, how am I going to order my E90? Simple, I'm ordering a 330i with the Sport Package, and then I'm ordering a winter wheel/tire package from TireRack well before the first snow flies.
I hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Thanks again,
Luke
As for cost, well, I paid $1,007 for my set of winter alloy wheels and tires (and I suspect that I'll be able to recover about half of that based upon the prices I'm seeing winter wheel sets go for on eBay), including shipping, I don't know what the "xi" option costs but I'm betting that it is a little more than that.
The flip side to all of this is that if you want the full Sport Package, you cannot have the "xi" anyway, so it's kind of a moot point. In the warmer months, there is absolutely no comparison between an "i" with SP and an "xi". None, zero, zip, nada.
Best Regards,
Shipo
See the site above. The intro of the E90 Touring will be Nov 05. This is earlier than I had expected, in fact 365 days earlier.
For the rare soon-to-be touring buyer like myself--this is FANTASTIC NEWS.
Hopefully by November there will be a xi version. I agree with Shipo about the importance of snow tires. In my case AWD makes sense since I want to keep my car for many years in the future. If you add the cost of snow tires + storage costs(I live in mid-town Toronto and storage space is a scarcity), the extra cost of AWD does not look too bad.
DL
325XIT begins production 09/05. The (non-awd) will begin in 05/06. No mention of a 330XIT.
DL
DL
Where did you get your info.
Please refer to the website on my post #1814. It states the following:
The next addition to the family is the 3 Series wagon, which should arrive in North America late this fall as a 2006 model. It will make its public debut in September at the Frankfurt auto show, and should be in showrooms by November. Engine choices will be similar to those for the sedan.
Note the last sentence---Engine choices will be similar to those for the sedan!I believe that means it would include a 330xit!
a 6speed 218hp wont work for ya? :lemon:
DL
Best Regards,
Shipo
DL
Best Regards,
Shipo
Currently a 325i wagon is all we get here too. The base price for a awd 325i Touring is about the same price as a 330i sedan(well at least here in Canada). If I am going to spend that kind of money, a few grand more for a 330xit seems to be a worthy investment( well at least a fun investment with depreciating returns).
DL
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Lots of discussion about snow tires, but how is the ride on dry pavement? We may get 10-15 days a year of slick driving in the midwest but most winter days are just cold and dry or cool and rainy. Thoughts?
It depends entirely on which tire you get. I opted for the Michelin Arctic-Alpin tires for my 530i due to the fact they were purported to be very quiet, and if any thing, they were quieter than the OEM rubber on dry pavement.
Best Regards,
Shipo