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VW Passat TDI



  • deweydewey Posts: 5,251
    "You mean like they did back in 1997? LOL!! "

    VW does view N. America as an important market! Unfortunately their view is not consistent with their past and current efforts here. In fact VW is losing market share in China(VW wants to sell more cars there than in Germany) and they are having a tough time with sales in Europe.

    TDI Passats are among the very few hot sellers in the VW family. Now the theory they will discontinue the car next year! That sounds crazy! Even Mercedes Benz views the diesel potential positively(E320)

    VW mismanagement is a global phenomena and not a N. American phenomena. VW stock market valuation has dropped the most among car makers this past year. For the first time ever Hyundai's car division has a stock market value equal to VW(this valuation definitely reflects VW mismanagement)
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,178
    Is Porsche and Audi pulled down by the same mismanagement or do they stay separate?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Porsche has no connections any more, at least that I know of, to VW the Corporation. Their technical collaboration continues [Toureg / Cayenne], but Porsche's management and supervisory board, I believe, are unconnected with VW's, and the corporation seems to go its own decidedly independent way.

    Audi is more problematic - there are interlocking connections between supervisory board members, stock ownership, and marketing strategies, and of course shared engineering and manufacturing and suppliers.

    There are still members of the Porsche extended families [including most famously, the Piech branch] who have connections and own pieces of both VW and Porsche. But these two entities are managed completely independently - that is not true with Audi and VW, which are still joined at the hip in most important respects.
  • atfatf Posts: 8
    I have a 05 TDI Wagon on order since June, Dealer said it should be here in 2 weeks but VW
    Will not confirm the date, what is the port of entry? Thanks for any Info. Rick
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,251
    True, Porsche is a fully independent company.
    Audi is a part of VW and is doing quite well. After Phaeton, I can only hope that VW will discontinue making premium priced VWs that cater to the Audi market.
    That is one crazy strategy---Invest billions in order to design premium VW vehicles that are similar to Vw's most profitable division(Audi) .
    This is the most intentional Cannibalization strategy I have ever seen.
    Anyway despite my complaints, I am still dreaming of buying the new version of a Passat Wagon TDI with manual sometime in 06. I guess I will have to immigrate to Germany in order to accomplish that.(I believe there would be future warranty problems if I bought a model in Germany that does not exist in N. America)
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    Port of entry? There are multiple ports depending on location. What is your location?
  • atfatf Posts: 8
    You are right, I found out it will come in at Brunswick GA.
  • Interesting, as Houston is a major port of entry for VW.

    We picked up our '05 GLS wagon yesterday that was ordered as an '04 in March. We got 1800 below MSRP which was supposed to be 500 over invoice. Lots of folks are paying sticker, or more, and are spoiling it for the rest of us. I've never paid sticker for a vehicle and wouldn't have owned this one if I had to pay it.

    Sure glad I was able to make a deal as this is a SWEET vehicle.
  • While I was getting my first oil change for my 04 TDI wagon I noticed a hot and loaded Passat TDI sedan waiting at Jim Ellis VW in Atlanta....Get it fast! I love my wagon....Recently I drove from Atlanta to DC (3 adults plus luggage) on one tank of fuel...On the way home to ATL we didn't even stop for a potty break...amazing fuel mileage....amazing bladder control!
  • Our Passat TDI Wagon is at the dealer, a few months earlier than anticipated. Its an '05 in the really dark (graphite?) blue with tan leather, heated seats, ESP, but no sun-roof or alloys.
    I'm 6'5" so head-room counts, and the stock rims will have snow tires for the winter, with Ultra-performance summer tires on 17" (or 18") alloys for the summer.

    The problem is that it needs a glow-plug and there are almost no parts for the PD-TDI engine in North America. So we can look at it, sit in it, but can't drive it yet. But after waiting several months another week won't matter.

    After looking at many styles (and price is a factor, so no O.Z. super-legarras or whatever) but one of the ones we like most are the stock wheels from the Passat W8 (the 9- or 11-spoke ones).

    But very interested in other suggestions.
  • BTW: I asked the dealer how many TDIs they sell.
    It was >50% a year ago.
    They claim about 80% of all vehicles sold (at this dealership) are TDIs.
    Note that they are located ~30 miles from Vancouver, and much of the local population commutes into the city (and mass-transit doesn't extend that far)
    The lot is full of Jetta TDIs, with smaller numbers of Golfs and Beetles, and a few Passats (a 1.8t 4-Motion Wagon looked very tempting ... too bad we can't get the TDI in AWD here)
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,251
    "too bad we can't get the TDI in AWD here)"

    Indeed, I am sure the a VW TDI 4motion wagon would be a hit on both sides of the US/Canadian border.

    I just hope the Passat TDI discontinuation rumors are false. Discontinuing one of their most successful models would be like Toyata discontinuing the Prius!

    I live in Toronto and I noticel a lot of Jetta/Passat TDIs. I think the marketing people in Wolfsburg cannot comprehend the concept of success and will kill off any product before it becomes too successful(Ok, I know I am exaggerating a bit, but I think there is a grain of truth in what I am saying)
  • Test drove the 2005 Passat GLS TDI with leather at Advantage VW in Houston. Amazing car. Stickered at $26,235. Salesman said they were "generally getting sticker" for the car. At the end of the test drive, he did ask me if "there was a price where I would go ahead and buy the car today." I think they are willing to drop a little off of sticker.

    I'm having difficulty justifying the $3K to $5K price differential between V6 & TDI. Yes the TDI is a better car than the V6. Is it worth the price increase ?

    I'm also looking at the Prius and Honda Accord hybrid. Don't know which I'll end up with, probably will the the first one to give me a deal or drop a decent amount under sticker.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,469
    Of the 3 the Passat has the most room by far (only one available as a wagon).

    I didn't know that the V-6 Passat was only $21,000, but even still the TDI would be my choice. TDI has more torque than the V-6 and much better mileage. Resale will also be better. It goes without saying that mileage will be much better.
  • You have your prices mixed up - based on 2004 pricing the TDI GLS Passat Sedan is only $205.00 more than a GLS 1.8t 4 cyl. Passat Sedan with an automatic. The only way to get a V6 in a Passat is to get a GLX which is base priced at $31,430 with an automatic. The V6 is approx. $5k more than the TDI. Of course a GLX has a lot of equipment included in addition to the V6.
  • My error.

    Everyday in the paper, VW Dealers are advertising a 2004 Passat GL for $17,995. Some other ads were offering a 2004 GLS for $20-21 K.

    My point is that it seems hard to swallow the diesel costing $4-$5000 over the cost of a comparable GLS (4 cylinder).
  • >>"too bad we can't get the TDI in AWD here)"
    Indeed, I am sure the a VW TDI 4motion wagon would be a hit on both sides of the US/Canadian border.<<

    TDI 4motion Tiptronic wagon might do 0-60 in about 15 secords'll a have tough time keeping up with those toy scooters they sell at Target:)

    Anyone remember the Passat W8 commericials?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,178
    TDI 4motion Tiptronic wagon might do 0-60 in about 15 secords'll a have tough time keeping up with those toy scooters they sell at Target:)

    Looks like the Brit's get the 4Motion with TDI. And it does 0-62 in 10.4 seconds. I wonder when the 2.5 diesel will make it to the USA? se-tdi-130-4motion-4dr.asp
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,469
    That is a fast toy scooter that goes 127 mph (from above link).

    - Do you need to be told you a million times not to exaggerate? : ^ )
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,251
    "TDI 4motion Tiptronic wagon might do 0-60 in about 15 secords"

    Would it take 15 seconds? Also who needs Tiptronic, I would rather have a manual(better mileage and performance)
    If the Brits can do 10.2 seconds, I think we should have the same priviledge on this side of the Ocean.
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  • deweydewey Posts: 5,251
    Those Brit stats of 10.4 secs is for the sedan. I wonder how much slower a TDI wagon would be?
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,238
    The wagon is less than 100# heavier than the sedan, so I wouldn't expect enough of a difference to ever notice.
  • atfatf Posts: 8
    I picked up my 05 Passat TDI WAGON ON THE 15TH It
    IS A LOT NICER THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, I PICKED THE GLS LEATHER WITH WOOD,There is no major changes in the 05 , 16 Inch wheels instead of 15 Inch, side turn signal has moved up to the bottom of outside mirror's I have the beige Interior so it came with oak wood colored dash and trim instead of black.
    I fueled up today and it is getting 31MPG town and urban.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,178
    I picked up my 05 Passat TDI WAGON ON THE 15TH

    Sounds real nice. What was the price for that car in TX?
  • atfatf Posts: 8
    $28,710.00 GLS Leather with wood, with 4 splash
    guards (Charleston SC).
  • "My point is that it seems hard to swallow the diesel costing $4-$5000 over the cost of a comparable GLS (4 cylinder)."

    But, my question to you is this....will that 4Cyl Gasser go 300K miles or more like the diesel? (add that on top of the fuel savings and higher resale)
  • Figuring 300,000 miles for the life of a car strikes me as a little silly. Assuming I put 15,000 miles a year on the car, it would be pretty insane to think I would keep the car for 20 years.

    My dad & I had a 1982 Jetta Diesel that I sold in 1994 with 180,000 to 200,000 miles. It was very ratty the last 5 years of its life. I doubt I'd keep a car that long unless I had to live in it.

    A more realistic scenario would be 8 years & 120,000 miles. Based upon the fuel calculators I've seen, it would be a close call as to whether I would make $5000 back especially based upon the recent spike in diesel prices.

    Frankly, I'm sitting squarely on the fence about getting one. Part of me says buy a 4 cylinder gas Camry/Accord/Passat and save the money. The other half says that the Passat TDI is the wave of the future a la Europe.
  • True, but also, because of that 300K mark (an 04/05 PAssat is built much better than an 82 Jetta) the resale is higher.

    I, OTOH, do look at that 300K mark realistically. I purchased a Jetta GLS TDI in April...5 months and 14 days ago, I took it in Wednesday to have my 20,000 mile service done (but then again, I live 80 miles east of Chicago and my family is in ATL an my wife's in IA). This is a personal use car, not a business use.

    (BTW, the car has performed exceptionally and I now average 46MPG in mixed driving and AVERAGE 51MPG on the hwy...that is 5 MPG above the EPA estimate.)

    I think that if you kept the car for 100K-120K miles and (with the added higher resale) you would see your investment returned.

    Here is a sample from Autotrader

    1996 Passat TDI 116K $8000
    1996 Passat GLX VR6 117K $5900
    1996 Passat GLS 4CYL $110 $5495

    Unfortunately I am huge proponent of diesel vehicles therefore I cannot give you an unbiased opinion.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,251
    My wife drives an 83 Mercedes Benz 300D. Although our Benz has been among our family members for over 21 years it drives fantastic(the slow acceleration and John Deere Tractor noises existed when it was new)
    This car is like an energizer battery that counts time in decades not in years.

    We hope to pass the car on to our daughter in 10 years when she hits 16.
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