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  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    Yep. Bin 5 more stringent than Bin 10. At bin 10, CRD just barely was able to squeak by as emissions legal at all.

    Federal Standards:

    Tier 1: The former Federal (EPA) standard; as of 2005, no longer in use.
    Tier 1-D: The former Federal diesel standard; permits higher NOx emissions than the Tier 1 standard; as of 2005, no longer in use.
    Tier 2 bin 11: New Federal standard, applies only to large trucks.
    Tier 2 bin 10: Least-clean Tier 2 bin applicable to cars.
    Tier 2 bins 9 through 6: (Progressively cleaner standards)
    Tier 2 bin 5: "Average" of new Tier 2 standards. NOx emissions levels of all vehicles sold by each automaker must average to the bin 5 NOx level or cleaner, when standards are fully phased in.
    Tier 2 bins 4 through 2: (Progressively cleaner standards)
    Tier 2 bin 1: The cleanest Federal Tier 2 standard. Equivalent to a zero-emission vehicle (ZEV).

    If you want to see a flood of diesels, write your House or Senate legislator and tell them you have an idea to reduce our dependance on petroleum, allow more diesels by having USA adopt Euro IV emissions regulations for diesel vehicles. The rest of the world is adopting Euro IV regs. pertaining to diesel and not following US leadership.
    Contacting legislator is like throwing a penny in a wishing well, however, you never know when they might actually do SOMETHING. Even with ULSD fuel, our emissions standards will require costly engine differentiation. :cry:
  • dzl_loudzl_lou Member Posts: 16
    I was not measuring the thermal efficiency of the engine or in laymans terms (BSFC = Brake Specific Fuel Consumption). It's a nice rule of thumb to compare an engine on it's own merits to another engine.
    However, I was pointing out that the min. BSFC of 200g/Kwhr is where I was empirically experiencing the best MPG with the vehcile.
    P.S.
    Nice to know you passed the FAR-AIM and will not run out of fuel under IFR conditions. ;)
  • boilermaker2boilermaker2 Member Posts: 131
    I went and did some homework. It created more questions than answers... So why are they claiming that it is Euro IV capable? Is this a situation where it is IV "capable" but III "actual" (other engines are rated on the VM site as euro III)? Is it Tier 2 bin 5 capable but the cost would put it up their with a Diesel Toureg (V10)?

    Here is the EPA's version of what Moparbad wrote out.
    It will help you go to sleeppppp ;)
    Cheers,
    Boilermaker
  • unclebubbaunclebubba Member Posts: 80
    Hi Farout!

    Just wanted to jump in and assure you that there is a 5W40 Mobil 1 truck and suv formulation and it is totally synthetic as all Mobil 1 products are. I believe that there may be higher ratio of anti shear components in the formulation. It is not a blend. We still have it available in Walmarts here in South Carolina in 5 quart jugs. Hope that continues too! :D
  • unclebubbaunclebubba Member Posts: 80
    Hi Lou!

    Have you voiced your belief/theory to DC?! I think that any input they have is better than no input at all. You sound like you have a background in wrenching on diesels, possibly professionally. If so, I think it would help all if someone with that kind of knowledge and experience were to put in their two cents worth. It could lead to corrective action, or not. But at least you could add to the mix your conviction about what the problem is. Cheers :D
  • cerino88cerino88 Member Posts: 8
    The deal I got had more to do with hard bargaining than incentives. I bought the car in early Dec. It is an 05 that had been on the lot since July. The dealer said they sold a few diesels right away and then people were turned off because of the diesel fuel prices. I used the Jeep.com site to do a "build and price" on a 05 & 06 with the same equipment. The 06 was a little cheaper so I told the dealer I would have to have a significant incentive to buy an 05. In November I politely declined and left the dealer when they would not meet my price. The guy called back in December and said they would not be able to lease the 05 as a new car after December so they were more flexible on pricing. Sticker was $27,840.(sport model with lots of extras) They met my price $24,066, applied the "miles of freedom plan" (gas card worth $2367) and gave me a military veteran's rebate that Chrysler offers worth another $500.
    Total $21,199.
  • mtbcrdmtbcrd Member Posts: 5
    Hi everyone,
    I've had my crd since the end of May 05. I have around 15,000 miles logged. I have had the EGR replaced...around 5,000 mi. and I did have to put around a quart of oil in once!?! We are finally getting some significant snow here in New England today(10")...can't wait to try it out and see how it performs! No other problems with it thus far, quite happy with performance and gas mileage-averaging around 25-27 city/highway combined. I do much more highway btw. probably 80/20
  • soupboysoupboy Member Posts: 15
    Anyone try running bits from:

    http://www.dieseltuning.com/english/01ourproducts/index.html

    DIGI CR 3-8 Cylinder - USA $539... for all diesel fuel engines with Common-Rail injection system

    Looks like a nice pick up in power (and maybe MPG) with a simple plug and play device. This is done successfully for virtually all major TDs on the market (by this and other brands).
  • dzl_loudzl_lou Member Posts: 16
    Have not examined this yet but also saw that BullyDog is looking for Beta testers of it's software chip mods and turbo upgrade for the CRD.
  • turbledieselturblediesel Member Posts: 28
    Thanks for all the info posted so far. Bought mine in MI in september and have 9000 miles on it so far. Barfed its' power steering fliud out at 1500 miles due to a loose clamp which was fixed free along the way. I like the way it runs. Passes really well if I turn the overdrive off. Usually turn it back on when I'm alongside the passee. Slingshots right on by. Milage runs a pretty steady 23 MPG. New squeaky noises at idle up front. Sounds like idler pulleys need grease/replacement. Thumping noises from rear when backing over bumps in driveway. Loves to run at 85 mph all day across ND and MT. smacked a moose with my driver side mirror which broke the glass only... folded the mirror back... lucky. gotta go; I'm timed out on a library computer.
  • dacurdacur Member Posts: 10
    15,000 miles and only getting 18mpg on the last tank. Highest ever was 21 in July.
    Took to dealership and they ran the tests and came up
    with " nothing wrong".
    They said that Star won't release the EGR unless the diagnosics show the codes that it's not
    working.

    I was told to use additive and buy from diff. station. I
    told them that I have been doing that since March. Tires
    inflated properly. Keeping rpm's/speed down. Done the blow
    out with over drive turned off.

    I Spent 48min with Star Customer service today to be told by "Tim" that there is nothing they can do and to call back when it gets under 15mpg (??!!). I said to pretend that it was below 15mpg, what would they do then? He said "more tests and then have you use additive and try a diff. service station" OMG! When I asked to speak to a supervisor he said that he was the supervisor. When I asked to speak to his boss he said that he is not allowed to transfer my call and the he "Tim" is speaking on behalf of Chrysler. He kept repeating to try the additive and diff. stations over and over in a robotic montone voice.

    I love my Jeep but I know it's supposed to get better MPG. I ran into a man that had a CRD two days ago and he said that he got 27MPG from the get go and got 31MPG last week on a 4 hour HWY trip.

    :lemon: :cry::( Does anyone have any suggestions??

    I am so frustrated and I am not willing to pay $600 to buy/have installed the EGR because the warranty should cover it. Any Help would be GREATLY APPRECIATED.

    Maybe a diff.Dealership? I took mine to Clio Chrysler (Clio, MI) they said they only worked on 1 CRD so far (replaced EGR) I live in the Flint, Mi area.


    THANKS TO ALL THAT REPLY
  • sailormonsailormon Member Posts: 48
    A long time ago, some discussion was carried on about actually putting in a metal baffle to stop the flow of gasses. This was to be a temp fix until a new one could come in. The result was better fuel mileage. One reader replied this would not go well with the company and would violate emmisions law or such. I think I would do it if I had the same problem, but then I don't even know where to find the damn thing, nor have an idea what it looks like. I am heading out of MI today to warmer climates until spring. BR
  • lightnin3lightnin3 Member Posts: 153
    Hi Dacur ! ,
    I can't diagnose the problem if I can't see the patient.
    But I'll bet you 2 pints of Canadian beer in Windsor that your problem lies in the fuel you filled up with.

    But I would look at the shape your air filter is in 1st.
    A plugged filter or air intake will affect mpg.

    Bad fuel is usually the cause...
    Which is common this time of year.Especially when the first couple days of cold weather rolls in .

    Hi water content in fuel plus stale fuel will yield low levels of cetane,and lower mpg.
    "Just Before" you fill the tank with a premium fuel,
    at the next fill up,
    give her a good dose of a lubricity additive 1st,
    Which will have a water dispersant .
    I suggest ,Stanadyne Lubricity formula,and cetane booster,or Kleen Flo,and methyl hydrate,etc..

    Next I would fill up with a premium diesel fuel at a truck stop or popular gas station.
    try #2 fuel,or #3 if available,Shell diesel ultra,BP supreme.
    If it still hasn't cleared up ,then try an oil change ,
    0W40 Mobile 1.How long has it been since a change has been done?
    Next to see any change,
    experiment by driving down a highway at 55mph,
    set cruise at this speed,
    then call up the mpg on the overhead console,
    and press reset ,and let me know what mileage she settles at.
    The next step would be to get a tranny fluid and filter change.This may help ,and generally over looked .

    Breaking in periods can yield metal fragments which contaminate the fluid .Which in turn lowers the efficiency of the tranny.
    1 more thing,
    get the brakes checked .You may have a seized brake pad,which will lower mpg as well.

    Thats it ..
    good luck..
    Lightnin3...
  • trailreadytrailready Member Posts: 8
    When we got the EGR replaced the tech left one of the gaskets under the hood so that helped me locate the actual EGR valve on the driver side of the engine, way below the fuel filter area. It appears to be a major pain in the rear to get at to replace. :( Remove the fuel filter and bracket, drain the coolant and remove several bolts holding it all together with the finese of Hudini in a 6" x 6" spot. Anyone done one themselves yet? My guess is that I'll get good at it after 7-70 (or block it) unless they come out with a better foul proof design. Has the EGR been re-designed or improved yet?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Has the EGR been re-designed or improved yet?

    It is not for sure the design of the EGR. I think it was designed in the EU with ULSD for fuel. DC is probably just biting the bullet and changing them until next year when ULSD is the fuel that is available in the US. The refiners are claiming that 90% will be ULSD by June. I wish the CRD was available in CA to see if that EGR problem exists with the cleaner mandated diesel we have here. I never have any fuel issues with my VW TDI running BP ULSD sold here.
  • bullheadbullhead Member Posts: 125
    "Has the EGR been re-designed or improved yet?"

    One of these enterprising aftermarket chip makers could program the EGR out of the system and get my dollars.

    However, I am finding much cleaner combustion, measured by the tailpipe soot deposits, using Stanadyne plus another cetane + injector additive. A complete, manual fuel system cleanout and better fuel will solve many problems. Don't forget knarly lug tires will take away mileage, too.

    Good luck ! But if there are no other symptoms relating to poor mileage, then fuel system/EGR is probably the problem.
  • soupboysoupboy Member Posts: 15
    Yeah, I saw the Bullydog site too. DieselPower North American has been making these for the CRD for a while. Here's the response from them after my inquiry:

    "...The tuning module for the Jeep CRD you inquire about is the Digi CR with the Bosh harness. We have the unit in stock and the price is of $539 USD shipping included. The unit is a plug and play unit and requires only a few minutes for the install. The tuning box comes with adjustable settings that can provide gains to up to 30% if the perimeters from the ECU is not exceeded. This tuning module fits many common rail applications and the output really depends as I said by the limitations of the ECU. It is safe to say that your minimum gain should be of at least 20% being a normal window to operate within. We have sold quite a few units to Jeep owners lately and everyone is happy with the results..."

    I wonder if this in anyway indirectly addresses the EGR issue by modifying codes sent to/from the ECU???
  • slottedslotted Member Posts: 5
    I understand that there are new regs for diesel starting next year that will be much tougher. Some magazines are writing about how difficult it will be for manufactures to sell diesel passenger vehicles here in the US starting in '07. How will these new regs effect existing vehicles? Is this something that will effect the CRD's ability to pass yearly emissions tests, or is this just something that will effect vehicles sold after '06?
  • kyjeeperkyjeeper Member Posts: 31
    Mine is doing about the same since cold weather. I am suprised about EGR value I am on my Third one feels like it could use a fourth. I have a oil leak in mine now under the turbo they said it was return line to block have one ordered they have to take the turbo off. Also have alot of transmission problem makeing tork convertor go in and out which they say CH considers normal I think they are full of it.My light came on for the second one but didn't come on for next one I have started putting Redline additive in and Shell fuel. I have got Lawyers writing CH to see if I can get Lemon Law.At this point I have just turn 5000 miles :lemon: :sick:
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    From what I've seen sofar, the plug and play kit can only extend the duration of the injection 'ON' signal, and is completely independent. The ECU doesn't know the injectors have a different timing, so the EGR continues it's function giving wrong values (considering they should have been good at some point!).
    Has anyone tried to put a dummy resistor across the EGR pilot cable? Probably a simple light bulb connected across the 2 leads could be used in case of failure to bring the truck back to the dealership.
  • jacktothjacktoth Member Posts: 1
    What model of Air Bags and where did you get me ?
  • playgabeplaygabe Member Posts: 31
    The air bags are made by Firestone. They are called Ride-Rite P# 4146. Check their web site ride-rite.com. Hooked up air lines thru two holes in bottom license plate.
    PSI from 5-35 lbs.
    I measure distance from under wheel well to ground b/4 hooking up camping trailer. Then simply put air into bags until the they reach same level when trailer is attached. About 30 lbs. They work great. I carry a small portable 12 volt air compressor so when I unhook I can let the air back out for running around w/o trailer then air them back up for trip home.
    Total cost installed about $220.
    Well worth the cost. If there is anything I hate is a vehicle lights in my eyes coming towards me or behind me.
  • kyjeeperkyjeeper Member Posts: 31
    Mine Jeep is making noise when backing up in past post I think someone had muffer replaced and parking brake cable loosen My dealer said he never heard of it. Does anyone know or had this problem or know what is wrong. thanks
  • boilermaker2boilermaker2 Member Posts: 131
    Hi Jeeper,

    Search this forum for brakes. I think you may find your answer.

    Boiler
  • moppermopper Member Posts: 4
    Mine did the same thing after about 5000 miles but it had nothing to do with the brakes or exhaust. The clutches in my trac-loc rear were binding & it was much more apparent in reverse, a light popping / banging noise. Changed the fluid in the differential & added 2 of the factory friction modifier bottles & the noise went away.
  • ecramanecraman Member Posts: 25
    Got my CRD back today. It took longer than the two days scheduled waiting for the part. There were two issues. The glow plug wires were reversed between cylinder two and three. So even though the code said two was bad it was actually three. This is not the first one they have seen with this issue. The other CRD had four and one reversed. Just a heads up. I also had my EGR replaced at 11,000 miles and have 16,500 now. Looking forward to another round of trouble-free driving. My mileage is good at 25 - 28 but now with winter diesel it will probably drop some.
  • tired_old_davetired_old_dave Member Posts: 710
    Is there a market for our used American assembled CRD's in Europe? Can we get our purchase money back and make someone over there happy?
  • bcnailbcnail Member Posts: 10
    I'm new to jeeps and part-time/full-time 4 wheel drive. To get to my house I have to make a U-turn on a two lane road. When I am not in PT drive the car does fine. But when I am in pt 4 wheel drive the wheels start binding and the jeep barely moves. :confuse: It sounds like something is binding. Is this normal on a very sharp turn with part-time 4 wheel drive? (I haven't tried it with full-time).
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    This is sad to say but there are 2004-2005 CRD's on the second hand market now. If people get rid of them so quickly there must be a reason. Mine doesn't have all the electronic 'extras' you have and I intend to keep it for at least 10 years. My 'old' rig makes me feel like as if I was riding on a cloud of morphine. :shades:
  • geedubbgeedubb Member Posts: 34
    The full time mode should eliminate this as it allows the front and rear to spin at different speeds. Part time locks (so to speak) the front and rear causing the problems you're experiencing.
  • egregr Member Posts: 4
    EGR- liberty 05 8500 miles running bad, thought it was egr took to dealer they replaced egr ran the same, codes were same 7 days later found hose off turbo replaced runs ok. mpg has been about 20mpg from new, on the trip home from dealer about 50 miles its 28mpg. maybe you all have loose hoses ON TURBO. EGR?
  • spetespete Member Posts: 73
    This is interesting - no wonder I am being told my brakes are fine when I take it in to try and find out what the noise is when backing out of the garage in the morning. Noise coming from the Trac-loc rear end would explain why the noise goes away after driving a few miles. It is much louder now that the weather in Wisconsin has turned to Artic cold! I have been backing into any parking areas where I will be sitting for any extended time - this allows me to go forward right away and then I don't have to hear the clanking coming from the rear end. In your opinion do you think that any damage is being done to the rear end - or is it simply a "characteristic" of this type of Trac-loc rear?
  • tired_old_davetired_old_dave Member Posts: 710
    caribou1, thank you for the information. You paid a price for quality and you can enjoy your purchase year after year. It is sad that we have not kept it simple and good here. I remember you stating something like, I can take three hoses off and put my arms around my motor. I read it somewhere that new products in Europe may be suffering the same quality issues as us. The market is open for improvement and it seems that the Koreans may step up to the plate. Are you seeing improvements in Korean vehicles like we are? I might try anybody who put a 6 cyl Cummins 2.95B in a SUV/Truck with correct gearing and/or a true 5 or 6 speed auto. Otherwise, an old fashioned push rod engine may win.
  • jimi7jimi7 Member Posts: 17
    Part Time locks an axel so that both wheels turn together at the same rate. You need the wheels to turn at different rates when turning and especially during a sharp U-turn. You can actually damage the drivetrain using PT on dry pavement. Try using full time unless the road is very slippery.
  • fustfust Member Posts: 29
    I HAD THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM WITH MY GLOW PLUGS WITH JUST OVER 4000 MILES, YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE REPLACED YOUR EGR VALVE WAS THIS A RESULT OF THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT ON OR A COMPLETE SHUT DOWN OF THE VEHICLE.I HAVE NOTICED A SHARP INCREASE IN FUEL MILEAGE ( LOST 5 MILES PER GALLON) SINCE THE REPAIR , JUST WONDERING IF I ALSO HAVE A BAD EGR OR IF THIS IS NORMAL WHEN THE COLD WEATHER HITS.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    Cold weather will hit the fuel economy of any internal combustion engine. I have lost a little too, about one mile per gallon. This is normal.
  • homer2homer2 Member Posts: 1
    I live in San Diego and drive a CRD. I have owned it since July when I purchased it in Michigan prior to moving to California. I have 7000 miles on the odometer many of them while towing a trailer and have had no problems with fuel economy or the ERG. Around town I manage 24 mpg and on the freeway driving at 65 I get 30 mpg. Currently I only use Arco #2 with no additives. The only problems I have noticed with this vehicle is the temperature gauge will red line while towing in the mountains. I realize a TSB has been published regarding this issue, I just need to find the time to get it fixed. I purchased this vehicle to replace a 2003 Escape Sport that went through 2 tranmissions and an exhaust manifold. Compared to that LEMON, the CRD is bliss.
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  • mdecampsmdecamps Member Posts: 115
    I have an 05 Liberty Sport CRD. The only problem I have had is with fuel economy. Around town I am getting anywhere between 16 and 18. I drive it easy and have tried different fuels.

    The one point I wanted to bring up was the tires. I don't see what all the fuss is about. The factory tires are not aggressive mudding tires. I don't know of any auto manufacturer supplies them on new vehicles. They are, however, a decent all around tire. I have had zero problems on wet pavement and, most recently, in the snow. I put the vehicle in full time 4WD and just went. I went up steep hills, a bit of off roading, and even on some ice. The vehicle far outperformed my 4X4 Silverado, which has more aggressive tires. I really don't see why everyone is trashing these tires.

    Now if I could only get the fuel economy thing figured out....
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    mdecamps: Your fuel problem could be a loose hose on the turbo, as some have said they have experienced, and it improved after the hose was tightened.
    As for your tires, I assure you that your oe tires are not intended for any serious snow, ice, gravel, mud, or heavy rain. These are LIGHT DUTY PASSENGER CAR TIRES ! these tires just barely meet the weight standards for the CRD and a tiny trailer. When I took mine off they were so thin and so flexible you could not put more than 10 lbs on the uninflated tire without it collapsing. I have the Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armor which are sturdy and should outlast the ST by 30,000 miles. I did have the Triple tread but they did not have the grip I needed for our driving conditions. Hope this helps, and good luck.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    My Crd will not stay in when going into a dip it kicks out as soon as we start to go up the dip. The dealer is putting a computer on the CRD to see what the problem is and might show up. STAR suggested this. Has anyone else had this problem?
    My fuel mileage is 21 to 22.5 with no change with Cetane booster, or changing fuel brands. I have almost 6,500 miles on it, and used 1 qt. of oil at 3800 miles. The oil is still at full now. I have put 245 70 16 tires on and had the dealer do their thing to correct the speedometer for $25.
    I have had no indication of any other problems ....yet. I really do not anticipate any....hope hope.
    I have tried using the engine heater, and it was easy to find and clip in place. When not in use I have the end capped and put in the little bin in front of the battery. The heater made no real difference at 20Fh but at 3Fh it turned over a little easier. The inside heater does little as far as warming up the inside until we start moving. Is this why we see cardboard in front of VW diesels warming up? Any suggestions ar remarks would be appreciated.

    Merry Christmas !

    Farout
  • ecramanecraman Member Posts: 25
    Winterized diesel can contain more kerosene or other lighter hydrocarbons and since it has less carbon per gallon it affects mpg. There are other ways to winterize diesel with additives but in my almost 20 years of owning a diesel it seems mileage is worse in winter. My EGR triggered a check engine light. I have never noticed any negative impact on mileage with any problem. Glow plug issue did not seem to affect anything. I also had a reflash of the engine control module from a TSB when I brought it in for the glow plug. I had already had the previous reflash regarding the transmission. Still a great vehicle, hopefully the last issue.
  • bullheadbullhead Member Posts: 125
    Ya know, I've been wanting to defend the factory tires a little myself. Under several rugged, demanding situations they held up fine for me. No one can argue with the fuel economy they facilitate, either

    Really like the new aggressive Coopers for winter, but will gladly put the dealer tires back on for summer.
  • paulc7paulc7 Member Posts: 5
    I have just purchased an/06 CRD. @ 33.4 miles /gallon. Ontario Canada , temperature , -9 degrees.
  • bhcs111bhcs111 Member Posts: 26
    Light duty is right. I had them on for two weeks and traded them for Coopers. Lime stone gravel roads and corn stalks were chewing the factory tires up. I wouldn't have gotten 10,000 miles out of them. I have 16,000 on the Coopers and no signs of wear.

    I had the loose hose problem on my Liberty and after they tightened them up everything has been fine. Just had the thermostat replaced.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    I cannot be unbiased in my choice because I work in a high-tech electronic devellopment environment and I prefer something more reliable and 'down to earth' concerning things I must rely on.
    I know people satisfied with Korean vehicles, but they are mostly city drivers and will never take their vehicles to non populated areas.
    The only counterpart about the larger diesel engines is their ability to burn a lot of fuel when not providing any effort. This is why we have 1.4 Liter engines in small cars and the 'standard' 2.0 Liter in most middle size cars.
    The Cummins seems a bit oversized seen from this side of the ocean but there is a 'but': it's a reference in the professional world!
    Another thing about the 6 cyl is the possible need for the JAKE brake. The large 4 cyl engine gives proportionally better engine braking than it's equivalent in 6 cyl. I would personally prefer an electric brake on the transmission shaft if I had to retain a heavy load over long distances.
    In fact my idea of a 4x4 would look more like a Unimog...
    (Sorry for my passengers) ;)
  • ttandjjttandjj Member Posts: 21
    I wanted to defend the OEM tires, as well. I rarely drive off-road and have owned the vehicle for 6000+ miles. Recently, rotated tires. They perform fine for rain, sleet, snow, and occasional mud hole. I'm not about to change tires for a newer set. I bought the vehicle for it's frugalness. If I were to haul heavy loads, I would have bought a truck. If I were to frequent the off-road, I would have bought an old beater and modified it for the conditions. Why waste money on tires that are gonna wear out anyway? These Libby's are not designed from the factory for a serious off-roader. They are for the common everyday motoring public that utilizes the roadways. Besides, in the mid-atlantic region, one only needs to look in 2 places for people when it is snowing or calling for nasty weather (home or grocery store). I still feel that my Jeep will get me where I need, when I need ; as delivered from the dealer.
    My Jeep has only been in the shop twice. Both times for loose hoses. My fuel economy is hovering around 25 mpg and I don't buy cetane booster, additives, or treatments. I feel that some people on here waste alot of money and time worrying about their Libbys. If it's not broken, don't fix it!!

    The T :)
  • bullheadbullhead Member Posts: 125
    Bully !!
  • bullheadbullhead Member Posts: 125
    At around 20F and below mine momentarily revs very fast at start w/o the heater. I can't imagine it helps engine longevity. I use the heater below 35F religously.
  • mdecampsmdecamps Member Posts: 115
    Can anyone tell me which hose on the turbo could be loose? Is it as simple as tightening a hose clamp? If it is something that simple, I would rather check it out myself than trying to argue with the dealer. I've done that before and when you tell them that other people on a "chat board" have had the same problem, they immediately discredit what you are saying. Any info would be appreciated.
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