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  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    The build date lives on the sticker attached to the inside of the driver's door.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    I to have noticed that when I start my CRD and the temp. is in the mid 20 F it does sound like something is ready to come apart. If this were a gs rig I would think it had 550,000 miles on it. However in less than 30 seconds its nice and quiet and much smoother sounding. Someone in this forum said not to do anything until the engine runs for 1/2 a minuet. I have done this no matter what the temp is. Can't hurt that's for sure. This is my first diesel too and it's interesting to have a unique engine for us. I have yet to run into anyone here that owns one. I have not had anyone even ask about it at the fuel pump either. Perhaps in time I will bump into another CRD.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    This may seem odd..but you won't find anything in the Owners Manual saying that Bio diesel is ok to use. I called Toledo and talked with one of the Tec's who work on the diesels after they get out of the plant. He said the only reason DC has B-5 in the tank leaving the plant is political. Ohio is a big farming state and this was done to make points. The tec said Bio fuel is not uniform and that is lacks consistent lubrication. That if I was to use Bio fuel do not go beyond B-5. I am sure this may strike you as odd, but that is what I was told. I did read the book from cover to cover and there is not one word in my owners manual about Bio fuel. Hope this helps.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    Look at the window sticker, if you saved it. The date is the last set of numbers (all the way to the right) on the same line as the Vin # just above the bar code. 0614 would be June 14. The actual exact date of build is about one or two days before this. The date on the sticker is the date the sticker was put on the Liberty. Hope this helps.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    On Mikes Totally free Jeep news There is news of a concept Grand C. with a diesel. This engine meets all 50 states in pollution laws. I wonder if the Liberty just might have this engine next year when the laws change to Federal Tier 3, Bin 5 Emissions. The CRD now has Tier 2 Bin 10 Emissions, and this new engine is made by Daimler, and is in use by the bigger van that replaced the Dodge van. Any thoughts?
  • jkinzeljkinzel Member Posts: 735
    Two questions:

    What year did the Jeep Liberty first come with the diesel?

    Does the diesel have an engine oil life indicator? If so, does it show by % of how much oil life is left or does it just let you know its time for an oil change?
  • hogwild1961hogwild1961 Member Posts: 26
    has anyone done any towing..and if so what kind of mpg...should I expect
  • dcxmandcxman Member Posts: 14
    The fuel-separater knob is on the right of the fuel separater cannister :D This is on the firewall. On the opposite side of the cannister is a bleeder valve which I believe needs to be
    loosened when pumping the knob, not turning it.
    What I would like someone to explain is the knob on the bottom of the cannister. Does it let out fuel when unscrewed?
  • biobobbiobob Member Posts: 11
    I'm wondering if the 'knob' on the bottom of the canister is a sensor, with wires coming out of it. There is a light on the instrument panel that is suppose to come on when there is too much water in the fuel/separator filter. I think this could be the sensor for that feature.

    Where did you read about the 'bleeder valve'?
  • biobobbiobob Member Posts: 11
    I fill up at a truck stop, and have to get in line with the 'big rigs', and I get asked about it almost every time I fill up. In a recent article in the October, 05, BioDiesel Bulletin (a monthly newsletter from the National BioDiesel Board, and available at http://www.biodiesel.org/ ), DaimlerChrysler committed land to a future biodiesel plant (the article is at the bottom of this post).

    The National Biodiesel Board's web site is a great resource for information. I hope everyone will visit it and promote its use.

    Reference to Biodiesel - In the Owner's Manual, on page 279 of the 'Starting And Operating' section, it states "This vehicle is fully compatible with biodiesel blends up to 5% biodiesel meeting ASTM specification D-975". (That's all I could find.)

    - - DaimlerChrysler Commits Land to Future Biodiesel Plant - -
    NextEnergy Center, a research facility focused on developing alternative energy technology, is bringing together automakers and biodiesel producers to further biodiesel research and development.

    At the grand opening of the research center, located in Detroit’s Tech Town community, NextEnergy CEO Jim Croce announced plans with Biodiesel Industries and DaimlerChrysler to research the development of oil producing crops that can be grown on existing “Brownfield” sites to produce feedstocks for renewable, alternative fuels, as well as further refinement of biodiesel standards. Croce also announced plans for Biodiesel Industries to build a biodiesel production plant in Detroit.

    “Biodiesel Industries has many years of advanced development and production experience in the otherwise young biodiesel industry,” said Croce. “Given the tremendous national market demand for their product, we are delighted that Biodiesel Industries has chosen Detroit for their next biodiesel production facility.”

    Biodiesel Industries plans to build a three million gallon-per-year biodiesel production facility. It will be the sixth such production project completed by Biodiesel Industries, which already posts the largest network of company owned biodiesel production facilities in the world.

    DaimlerChrysler committed currently unused land at a former SuperFund environmental site for use in producing soybeans for NextEnergy research programs. DaimlerChrysler has promoted use of biodiesel fuel nationally with the launch of the Jeep® Liberty CRD diesel, which was fueled at the factory with B5, a five percent biodiesel blend.

    NextEnergy is a non-profit organization created by the State of Michigan to advance the Alternative Energy Technology industry in Michigan. The organization hosted a Grand Opening of the NextEnergy Center facility on Sept. 29.
  • biobobbiobob Member Posts: 11
    I didn't mean to post that twice. Once was too long. Sorry about that.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Opps, hope I deleted the right one as I was making a housekeeping sweep. :-)

    Steve, Host
  • biobobbiobob Member Posts: 11
    No prob'. I think they were the same. Thank you for 'dumping' one of 'em.
  • dcxmandcxman Member Posts: 14
    I hope I'm not posting this twice. First one was rejected.
    I believe that you are correct about the "knob" on the bottom being a sensor, but when taken off wouldn't there be a hole in the bottom of the cannister?
    Anyway, the bleeder valve was mentioned to me by a friend well
    versed in diesels. The valve must have some function. I just wanted the facts before I started messing with it. My crd only has 3100 miles on it. Curiosity killed the cat. :)
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    This is a new one on me. You say that there's fuel-separator knob on the right side of the canister? Are you talking about the fuel filter/water separator itself? Mine must be back around on the fire-wall side, because I sure don't see it. I was under the impression that water had to be drained from the bottom of the filter. :confuse:
  • cabanisscabaniss Member Posts: 5
    In response to hogwild's posting, I have towed a small utility trailer with about 2 or 3000 lbs numerous times and I get about 20 miles per gallon. Here in Virginia we have rolling hills and small mountains to climb. The torque is incredible and I am really glad that I have the diesel powerplant when climbing the hills.

    My previous vehicle was a full size 4WD GMC truck, I replaced it with this jeep and purchased a utility trailer for the times I need to carry serious cargo.

    I get better mileage with a loaded trailer than I did with the GMC empty.

    I would like better mileage towing, but I consider 20 with the trailer pretty good.
  • cerino88cerino88 Member Posts: 8
    I'm probably giving away my age by asking the question but before buying a new CRD I haven't owned a new car for a long time. Where I live there is some road salt and it used to be that the first thing you did with a new car was to have it undercoated. I don't see this much anymore and I wonder if anyone is still doing it?
  • cabanisscabaniss Member Posts: 5
    I know that Jeep does not recommend snow plowing with a Liberty, but I have to believe that it is capable of light homeowner type of snow plowing.

    Western offers a plow package for the Liberty. Has anyone installed or used one?
  • tomwtomw Member Posts: 31
    I don't think rustproofing is necessary any more. In fact, some think it now does more harm than good (theory being that the drilling of holes creates areas where salt / moisture can start penetrating under the paint / primer, and that the rustproofing material itself may trap moisture against the sheetmetal (e.g., if the rustproofing is applied on a humid or foggy day).

    Since the 1970's the manufacturers have made great strides, and car bodies last much much longer.

    That said, keeping the car clean / waxed and regular hosing of the underside to remove salt is probably a good idea. Ditto repairing scratches with touch up paint - once the "seal" of paint / primer is penetrated rust has a place to start and then spread into internal cavities, in which in can continue to spread until you see it when the metal rusts through from the inside (such as rocker panels).
  • tomwtomw Member Posts: 31
    I test drove a 2006 CRD today. I liked it overall, and may take the plunge.

    One thing I didn't like was that while cruising at say 50-60 it seemed to lug a little - shuddering almost - a vibration from the drivetrain reminiscent of some vehicles from the '80's with lockup torque converters. Like the tranny should have downshifted one gear, but didn't.

    Has anyone else experienced this? Is it typical, or just a fluke with the one I drove?

    Thanks in advance ...
  • boilermaker2boilermaker2 Member Posts: 131
    Stateside, 2005 was the first year.
    There is not a oil life indicator/gague.
    Boiler
  • boilermaker2boilermaker2 Member Posts: 131
    Do a search on this site. This was discussed in depth earlier. I wouldn't do it. But make sure that you understand the airbag/safety system if you do. Otherwise you might have a to wear a pair of :shades: ...

    Cheers,
    Boilermaker
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    The 'older diesel' I was reffering to is the Toyota that's 10 years old. I have the impression the engine wants to pop out of the hood when it gets going. It never misses.
    In the 70's when you had good glow plugs and 15W-40 oil in the engine, you had enough engine compression by default (the oil was sticky) as long as the battery was ok. The advantage of these old diesel engines is that you can push the vehicle to get it started without a battery!
    My (3rd winter) 2003 CRD starts very well even around -30C, wind factor included since it sleeps outside. What I usually do is give my battery a chance by letting two glow plug cycles warm the battery elements before starting the engine. The stock red colored 'Optima' gel battery gives excellent service in the cold.
    The main difference between my two diesel engines is that the old one starts instantly and the CRD spins for a second without firing. This is probably for assuring there is enough clean air in the cylinder and enough crankshaft momentum to reach the self-ignition temperature.
    None of these engines leave black marks on the snow. ;)
  • dcxmandcxman Member Posts: 14
    Don't bother rustproofing. When is the last time you saw rust
    on a vehicle?
    DMC vehicles go through phosphate rinse and dip tanks varying between acid and alkaline. Then they go through electrostatic coating dip tanks which coat every nook and cranny, which then get baked on in the oven. After this it goes through "powder", which sprays on a polymer based powder that melts when in the
    oven to form a hard chip resistant shell.
  • dodgeaspendodgeaspen Member Posts: 4
    My wife's does the same exact thing...you would think with five gears to choose from it could downshift at that point. In my opinion it really isn't a problem....just annoying to listen to/feel!
  • dcxmandcxman Member Posts: 14
    Okay, I wasn't very clear. Right behind the dip stick is the
    water separator fuel filter housing and cannister. The knob
    is on the right of the housing, and is a primer pump. There
    is a bleeder valve on the opposite side, which I believe needs to be loosened when priming. I would presume that after dumping the cannister one would have to prime the system, but not having done it yet, I don't know. I may play with this thing today. Too bad the manual is quiet on this subject.
  • spetespete Member Posts: 73
    I was wondering if anyone has any input on installing air bags on the rear of the Liberty. I had a Firestone/Airlift system on my last Ford Ranger and would like to know if anyone has applied this on a Liberty. I have small cargo trailer and if I get a liitle too much weight on the tongue, the rear sags quite a bit and headlights are a problem at night. I even had a compressor installed under the front seat that allowed me to regulate the lift height with the push of a button. Input..?
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Do you have one of these models?
    http://www.parker.com/RACOR/PRODUCTTABLES/TABLE-SPINON-LOWFLOW.JPG
    On mine it's a model 230, and to drain out the water you need to unscrew the knurled plug that's on the bottom bowl next to the water sensor (where the 2 wires are connected).
    Once the fuel+??? removed, either disconnect the fuel hose going to the pump or open the drain plug to let the air out while priming.
    I'm a bit nervous about using the drain plug because mine starts to swet when priming. This may not be 100% sure if done somewhere out in the nature. :confuse:
  • bullheadbullhead Member Posts: 125
    The 5-cyl engine currently standard in the Dodge Sprinter van is slightly less powerful. Engine braking will be noticeably diminished too with 5 cylinders. I'm quite sure it's a fine engine, otherwise.
  • playgabeplaygabe Member Posts: 31
    I installed the firestone air bags in the coil springs of my 05 crd sport and ran the filler lines thru the bottom holes of my license plate. The bags work well and give the added lift while I'm towing our camping trailer.
    I can raise the rear end about 4 inches at full pressure (35psi). When not towing I reduce the air to about 10 lbs. Simple and not costly, about 100 bucks.
  • jonpnjjonpnj Member Posts: 52
    Hey fans- With the success of the CRD, I am wondering why Daimler does not offer it the Grand Cherokee. I realize the vehicle is heavier, but that same truck also has the 3.7ltr gas engine and it works fine. I am thinking the same for the diesel engine. This would be a huge plus for people that want a little more room. My only guess is that the performance (mainly acceleration) would not be acceptable. Here is more wishing. What if they put that engine in the 300. I think it would get well over 35 mpg, go to 60 in 8.5 seconds. I am thinking that it may have to do with the moronic CARB issues. Any thoughts/comments most appreciated.
  • bullheadbullhead Member Posts: 125
    Whatever magic occurred just after the holidays, this site is running slow as ever. Having to wait half a minute or more for my typed text to show up is just ridiculous. I run WinNT w/ SP6.2.

    No problems in other sites. Same in Win 2000 on this otherwise able dual Pentium 2 machine. "Portly programming", I suspect. Where's the "Liberty CRD Site" site? :confuse:
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    At 50 - 60 mph in 5th gear you are right in the heart of maximum torque territory. The lugging sensation/vibration is normal in that speed range.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    I also share the problem with you when using WinXP Pro...
    Try a $15 Linux edition for a pleasant change :shades:
  • dcxmandcxman Member Posts: 14
    Ya' got me on that one. I just checked and could only find a mopar#. I've got an 06 and doesn't look like any on your link.
    I think mine has a spin on cannister. Does yours have a large primer knob on the right side with a bleeder valve on the left like mine?
  • jc7349jc7349 Member Posts: 17
    Here is the procedure for draining water from the fuel seperator.

    DRAINING WATER IN FUEL
    WARNING: STORE FUEL IN APPROVED AND PROPERLY
    MARKED CONTAINERS. WEAR SAFETY GOGGLES
    AND ADEQUATE PROTECTIVE CLOTHING
    WHEN SERVICING FUEL SYSTEM.
    (1) Disconnect the negative battery cable.
    (2) Disconnect the water in fuel (WIF) wiring harness
    connector located under the fuel filter.
    (3) Connect a drain hose to the WIF sensor.
    (4) Place the other end of the drain hose in a
    approved and properly marked container.
    (5) Open the bleed screw on top of the fuel filter
    housing.
    (6) Loosen the WIF sensor on the bottom of the
    fuel filter to begin draining.
    (7) Allow the filter to drain into the container until
    fuel is visible.
    (8) Tighten the WIF sensor, remove the drain hose
    and clean any spillage.
    (9) Tighten the bleeder screw on top of the fuel filter
    housing.
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    It's a diesel-they do that.
    My issue is the transmission does not upshift soon enough. They are not using the torque of the diesel that does not need to spool up before shifting.
    If you could get the lockup to occur just after shifting into each gear I think the mileage would improve considerably.
    In my Dodge I can be in 4th gear at 35 mph and it will pull along just fine. It only sees 2500 rpm if I want to wind it up. The CRD is hard to keep below it with the Auto.
  • sailman397sailman397 Member Posts: 15
    DC currently offers a Mercedes 3.0L Turbo Charged Diesel in Europe. I recently saw an article which pointed out the year end sales totals of Liberty CRDs at exceeding 8300 or 66% above target sales. The article went on to say that DC was considering offering the Wrangler with the same 2.8L engine.
  • jonpnjjonpnj Member Posts: 52
    Thanks for the information. Those goals were achieved without the ability to sell in California and New York. I would expect that if that market opened, they would not be able to keep up with the demand.
  • jkinzeljkinzel Member Posts: 735
    I’ll bet there is a market for CRD’s in the CARB states, but only after they get 7501 miles on them. Used VW TDI’s sell big in CA.
  • spetespete Member Posts: 73
    Thanks - I have looked at these on the internet - just wanted to see if anyone had tried them and whether or not they worked. I will now proceed....

    spete
  • dcxmandcxman Member Posts: 14
    Thanks. Is priming necessary?
  • jonpnjjonpnj Member Posts: 52
    Actually, the sell well in any state according to autotrader.com. Mileage seems to be every buyer's concerns these days. If find it absurd that CARB states allow a vehicle with over 7500 miles to be registered, but you can't buy them there. What the heck is the point?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    It looks like you could buy one as a non-resident and then move to California (link)

    Anything with less than 7,500 miles on it is considered new in California I suppose, from reading that FAQ.

    Steve, Host
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    I have a long wait for the jeep foeum and then it says something about not enough time to log in. What's this all about? Yest this site is much slower than it was before, and at times I can't enen get in. (happened twice)

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    You make this seem as easy as an engine overhaul! There is no way I will attempt this! I am not sure I can even get my hand between the oil dipstick tube and the bottom of the filter. Small hands are sure to have a huge advantage!

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    The Wrangler is not at this time (for 2007) being considered, according to DC. The next to get a diesel would be the Grand C, and it would be the 5cyc. Made by Mercedes. But like anything DC does it takes public interest backed by bucks.

    Farout
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The login delay bug that is affecting some members was supposed to be fixed today but it won't get rolled in until next week when the next software push is scheduled.

    Once you are logged in the speed should be zippy; if not, you may want to try logging out, clearing your cache and logging in again.

    Steve, Host
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Hi! I have been led to believe that the GC will get the 3.0 VM Motori V6 the VR-630, The MB engine would be underpowered. :confuse:
  • bullheadbullhead Member Posts: 125
    Hi again Steve...

    Yes, the speed is ZIP!(sorry): No matter what I do on my end. Look to whatever conditions existed just after the 1st of the year- when we had a brief return of sensibility. It's time to take down the fancy "christmas decorations". Microsoft wants us to run Linux, not!
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