Jeep Liberty Diesel

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  • bullheadbullhead Member Posts: 125
    The Sprinter van can weigh 8,000# unloaded, then carry payload. Not underpowered in the Gr. Cherokee for the fuel economy market. Just underpowered compared to Liberty and would get ~ fuel mileage.
  • tomotomo Member Posts: 4
    I found a used 2005 Libby Limited CRD absolutely loaded with 22,000 miles for 27998.......They offered me 23000 as a trade in on my TDI Passat.I have been looking at CRD Libby's since they announced them I have been driving Diesel VW's for ,but the CRD SUV intrigues me!!
    Anyway it turns out that this particular Libby is a Chrysler Buy-Back for a transmission problem The Car runs and Drives very Nice They have offered and Additional Year of Warrantly plus the Remaining Warranty......However this previous problem is spelled out on the Car Fax and I would probably never be able to resell this Vehicle again.....
    I figure this is why they offered a big amount on my trade.
    Any Suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!
  • ungnungn Member Posts: 19
    I found a used 2005 Libby Limited CRD absolutely loaded with 22,000 miles for 27998.......

    is that Canadian dollars and Kilometers?

    I paid less for my '05 Limited new, with zero miles and if I would have waited 3 weeks, I could have got it for $1500 less than I paid.

    If he is giving you more for your can than you think it is worth, you know why. If He isn't, run, don't walk away.
  • supertechsupertech Member Posts: 32
    The price seams way to high. My 05 CRD Limited with tow package,sunroof,leather and heated seats cost me $26300 out the door. I also received a fair trade number for my GC with 208000 miles. I would shop around for a 05 left over. Good Luck ;)
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    The price for 22,000 miles is flat out to much. The fact it is published in Car Fax is in my book an automatic $5,000. (US) off then take .20 cents a mile off that, which is $4,400. so the price should be no more than $23,300, tops. These buy back resales are no bargain unless they really save a bunch! Better to buy a 2006 Sport loaded and get the new safety features. However if you find a new 2005, and they are out there, you get 7 years or 70,000 miles warranty instead of 3 years 36,000 mile warranty on the 2006. Good hunting, and hunting is half the fun!

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    We towed a 10'x5' single axle with total weight of 3,800lbs (aprox) for 240 miles and got our usual 21 mpg. It didn't seem to have any noticeable change. the rpm's stayed at consistent 1800. So for my little jaunt I felt the CRD did more than I expected. Our son had a 2005 GMC small quad cab 5 cyl. Gas and he got les than 12mpg and it over heated in November! He traded it for a 1500 Chevy quad cab off road. My CRD still pulls better!

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    Thank you for your in dept response. However there is nothing like the quote you presented from your Owners Manual in mine. Perhaps you have a 2006 CRD? However on page 280 & 281, "FUEL REQUIREMENTS (DIESEL ENGINES)" Use good diesel fuel from a reputable supplier. For most year-round service, No. 2 diesel fuel meeting ASTM specification D-975 will provide good performance. If the vehicle is exposed to extreme cold (below 20 F or -7 C), or is required to operate at colder-than normal conditions for prolonged periods, use climatized No. fuel or dilute the No. 2 diesel fuel with 50% No. 1 diesel fuel. This will provide better protection from fuel gelling or wax-plugging of fuel filters.
    NOTE:DaimlerChrysler Corporation recommends that this vehicle should be operated using Diesel fuel with 15 ppm Sulfur or less, where it is available."
    Diesel fuel is seldom completely free of water. To prevent fuel system trouble, drain the accumulated water from the fuel/water separator using the fuel/water separator drain provided. If you buy good quality fuel and follow the cold weather advice above, fuel conditioners should not be required in your vehicle. If available in your area, a high Cetane "premium" diesel fuel may offer improved cold-starting and warm-up performance."

    That's every thing my Owners manual says about the fuel. The Manual I have is the second edition to the 2005 Jeep Liberty.
    Like I said this seemed rather odd to me that the Liberty comes with B-5 and yet I was told it's not advisable to use Bio-diesel. However there are other contradictions I have run into from what Star says from the real world od driving the CRD. Hope this makes my note clear, and easier to understand.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    This came from Mikes totally free Jeep News that I read this. Who really knows for sure? Until DC offers something for sale and it's on a dealers lot with a price sticker, until then its only rumors.

    Farout
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    Tom,
    Check the prices on new 05 CRD on the Carmax site for Atlanta and Orlando locations. I just checked and the Limited are OVER $6,000 off MSRP.

    Also- for anyone thinking of buying, check into the below- I'm not sure if the programs are still in effect.
    Plus- there "may" still be $1,000 or $1,500 additional off for financing thru Chrysler Financial and $500 off for Everyday Heroes (firefighters, police, EMT/Paramedics) and $500 for active Military/National Guardsmen or Reservists.
  • synlubessynlubes Member Posts: 184
    how many miles per hour are you going at 1800 rpm
  • cabanisscabaniss Member Posts: 5
    Farout,

    I considered a 5 cylinder GMC Canyon to use as a towing vehicle for my utility trailer. From your son's towing experience, it sounds like the Diesel Liberty was a better choice for me.

    Was your son's GMC a Canyon? The 5 cylinder engine was a new release a year or two ago.

    Cabaniss
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Here are a few pictures of my stock fuel filter that has 'Mopar' references and Parker characteristics...

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  • kimmer1kimmer1 Member Posts: 3
    Has anyone lifted their Liberty? I am currently looking at lift kits offered by SummitOffroad, Rocky Road's and Rockfather kits, not to exceed 2.5" of lift. Anyone have any experience with any of the above?

    Kimmer
  • kimmer1kimmer1 Member Posts: 3
    Has anyone installed a chip for their CRD? I am looking for an increase in mileage more than performance. One of the two manufacturers of chips that I have found claim 60% increase in power and say at least 1 to 2 mpg increase. I am getting 18-20 mpg this winter, 23.5 in the summer. With diesel $0.40 plus more than gas per gallon, I am trying to justify my CRD purchase. Any comments.

    Kimmer
  • synlubessynlubes Member Posts: 184
    i am getting about the same milage will be looking at your response i just put 245 75 16 tires on one half inch taller than stock also put aero turbine muffler on on the first tank of gas and dont no if helped or not will keep in touch
  • biobobbiobob Member Posts: 11
    Hi Farout,

    Oops...

    I do have an '06. Sorry about that.

    My 'bad',
    BioBob
  • hogwild1961hogwild1961 Member Posts: 26
    that sounds great far better then my vw toureg traded for the crd..the trailer i am towing is a 25ft maxlite, going to fl the 1st part of feb it weighs 3800 lbs also..did you pull with overdrive off or on?

    Hogwild1961
  • biobobbiobob Member Posts: 11
    I just wanted to be the 3500th message.
  • dcxmandcxman Member Posts: 14
    Hey, great pics. This must be an 05. Mine has the sensor wire and the plug all in one unit. I just went out and made a mess of myself. The wire is a squeese and pull clip. Then I unscrewed the plug, which the wire plugged into, and drained the fuel. Messy job.Had no water in it. I guess the filter holds some water? Priming is necessary. I unscrewed the bleeder valve with a 7/16 box end, and pumped the primer until a steady stream of fuel came out. Then tightened it. Cranking the engine for about 3 seconds did the trick. I had tried cranking before bleeding. I don't know if if would eventually start, but I stopped cranking after about 9 seconds. I could not unscrew the plug from on top. Not enough room! Also, I gave up trying to get the cannister off. I didn't want to wreck it.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Mine is a 2003 european 'perfecto' ;)
    If you have a plastic bowl at the bottom, use a flashlight to inspect the fuel. When water gets in there it usually forms into small masses, the size of a grain of barley. You can't miss. In all cases the water sensor will tell you it's time to get your hands dirty. The last time this happened to me was about 28 years ago. :P
  • whitgallmanwhitgallman Member Posts: 121
    Caribou1, my fuel filter rig is different, more wires going into & out. There is a knob on mine on the top-right, about where that bit of bar code is visible on yours. (how'd you get a picture in there?)
  • lightnin3lightnin3 Member Posts: 153
    I wouldn't even bother unless you have a purpose for the extra H.P.
    you would get more out of your investment on just regular maintenance.

    A regular oil change before any trip using mobile 1 , will give better mpg performance than a electronic device.

    Clean air filters ,and tire pressure at 35 psi.

    Stick with a premium brand of diesel like Shell ultra,or B.P. premium
    with a water dispersant like power service

    for the winter.You want hi cetane ,and stay away from water in fuel ,this can affect your mpg drastically.

    Plus the big kicker..Keep your speed at 55 mph on the hiway
    then you'll realize the savings,just watch your mpg gauge ,or mileage over a tank of fuel,if you zero out your odometer at filling.

    or as rule of thumb when on the hiway try to keep your RPM's down under 2000.Using cruise will help,unless you have hilly terrain to contend with.

    This regimen has yielded 28 mpg average for me .I have seen higher like 31mpg.But I really think it has to do with fuel quality.
    If your not in a hurry you can get even better mileage just be patient,and drive slower.All vehicles have a maximum mileage rating at 55 mph.
    If you can bring you rpm's down to 1800 at cruise by using the decel while still in 5th gear thats awsome.

    You can even pick at tractor trailer that is cruising at that speed and draft behind him for max mileage.

    Just bring some music with you that will last the trip,and some good coffee.
    I would like to conclude I just came back from Caberfae peaks in Cadillac Mi, skiing .
    Drove back to Windsor on $25 fuel ,sweet !
    4 hours driving at 70 clicks.I could have doubled my mileage by going 55mpg,but time was a factor.

    Well happy trails...
    Lightnin3...
  • whitgallmanwhitgallman Member Posts: 121
    The horsepower needed to drag an object through the air increases to the third power (cubed) of the increase in speed. What is the aerodynamic drag coefficient of a Liberty? (probably almost 1 (shoe box) My 2000 Impala was about 0.35)
  • lightnin3lightnin3 Member Posts: 153
    Yes that's what I would do .Farout is right .

    Get a new 06 sport,instead with no problems.
    I myself like the side curtain air bags,for safety option,and towing package.

    Just make sure you get half decent tires instead of those stock ones.If your going to see any snow I would make a deal to get new..., better "all Terrain tires",trade them in .Sometimes the dealer will have a stock of Michelins LTX M/S,or go to a tire dealer.
    Good luck
    Lightnin3...
  • lightnin3lightnin3 Member Posts: 153
    Yes I would agree,Whit.She does sit high and a bit boxy -ish as well.
    But that is the trade off for extra room to carry my ski boots and a cooler full of beer....
    I learned to draft when I was a cyclist,and I found great results behind "Mack trucks" as well.If that is the intention ...To increase Mpg...

    But I always thought good fuel ,and keeping RPM's down at a cruising speed of 55 Mph ,was the best.
    How about you ??
    Speak Soon ..
    Lightnin3...
  • vtdogvtdog Member Posts: 163
    I don't know whether it is the physics of diesel fuel, or engine cooling/heat retention design, but 40F seems to be the breakpoint between "normal" mileage and reduced cold weather driving mpg. Above 40F there does not seem to be any effect on the mpg, but once that threshold is crossed, the mpg drops 10 to as much as 20% in very cold situations (less than 15F and below).

    Incidentally, diesel fuel here (NH) is now cheaper than premium, about the same price as middle grade gas and less than 10% more than regular. Gas has jumped up over the past month, but diesel does not seem to have changed (so far)
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    His GMC Canyon was in deed the % cyl. and he had 4,000 miles before he traded it for a 1500 Chevy. I drove it once and was not impressed, except for the ride it was comfortable and the cab had good legroom and felt more like a car. The gas mileage was 16-18 and fora gas truck that's not bad.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    This $500 also is in effect for retired Military as well.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    At 1900 I am doing 65mph so perhaps 60mph.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    Great pictures! How did you get such pictures? I can't get my hand in there say nothing about a camera! You deserve some sorta of award! However, mine is not the same, except the filter may be the same. I have a prime pump handle on the top right side.
    I had my oil changed today and had the Service manager show me all this stuff today, and even the tec could hardly put his hand in there. Oh I paid $90.13 US for the oil and filter and labor. That's sure a lot more than the 3.7 gas! Thanks for the pictures!

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    I don't know of anything different in the 05 and 06 engine, and it would seem that what you book says might be the same for the 05. My dealer said today that if it gets to 15 F then he advised PS anti-gell Cetane booster, which the tec in Toledo said was not advised. Go figuar?

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    The only time I took OD off was when going up a hill that made it lose any rpm. I am totally amazed that this engine holds steady PRM up some pretty tough up hill grades. I also never saw the temp go any where but stay in the same middle position.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    Got a question for you. How can you get the rpm's down to stay at 55mph? When I get my rpm's down at 55mph I am only doing about 1600 rpm tops. Which is very hard to get the engine to stay there. I have no problem doing 1700rpm at 58mph. Do you have the OE tires? Perhaps this is the difference?
  • tomotomo Member Posts: 4
    Thanks to all that replied to my Post.
    I am checking prices on an 06 Liberty Limited
    (I want heated seats!)I told the dealer he wanted way to much for his used one needless to say he doesn't agree LOL
    But with incentives I can get a Loaded 06 for about the same money as he is asking for his 22,000 mile 05.
  • synlubessynlubes Member Posts: 184
    i am going eighteen hundred rpm at sixty five running 245-75-16 tires they are about one half inch taller than 225-75-16
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    I have the 245-70-16 and recalebrated the Speedometer by the Jeep dealer. Perhaps others will jump in and give you some input as well. If I were you I would have the Speedometer recalebrated by your dealer. Costs about $35. and saves in tickets.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    Why does'nt the Renegade get the CRD?

    Farout
  • ungnungn Member Posts: 19
    Got a question for you. How can you get the rpm's down to stay at 55mph? When I get my rpm's down at 55mph I am only doing about 1600 rpm tops. Which is very hard to get the engine to stay there. I have no problem doing 1700rpm at 58mph. Do you have the OE tires? Perhaps this is the difference?

    They won't stay there. The min mph in 5th with the converter locked is about 56.

    The only way to keep the rpm's down is accellerate to 60 mph, set the cruise and use the deccel button to get down to 56 mph (about 1650 RPM). Hit 55 and it will downshift and you have to start over.
  • lightnin3lightnin3 Member Posts: 153
    Hi Farout !,
    To answer your question ,When I am on the hyway I set my cruise control to 60 mph,then press the decel to bring down my speed ,and Rpm's.
    This is a great option as it has gotten me out of alot of tickets.I use cruise all the time ,mainly because I commute to town everyday to work.
    If the speed limit says 55,thats what I drive,if it is 45 thats what I drive.
    Doing this has saved me alot of fuel and money every week.I just leave for work 10 minutes earlier.
    Not to mention driving safer in snowy weather.

    I have Sport Kings A/T - 245 70 R 16.These are my winter tires.
    It is possible that this can affect RPM's at a specific speed,as there may be differences in diameter of the tires between our vehicles.
    If your speed varies 2 mph either way thats fine,as long as the 5th gear stays engaged steadily and the RPM's are down at a constant under 1900.
    You'll see a difference in mileage.
    don't forget to check your psi on your tires weekly.
    And use power service religiously on a fill up of fuel.
    Speak Soon..
    Lightnin3...
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    It looks real tight around the filter housing but to take it out I need to remove the 2 fuel lines, unscrew the 2 bolts and there is enough cable to pull it out vertically and disconnect. It's quite simple. I used the macro function of my digital camera and the rear screen to center the image. A webcam would even be more adequate for inspection :blush:
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    The oil I use is sold around $10.00 US per quart. It meets the DC229.3 specification for extended use and the BMW 'Longlife-01' as well. I will soon change my oil because I've done 25,000 KM with it already and I find no difference during cold starts or engine noise. The standard oil change interval is 30,000 KM nowdays and there is still some tolerance. My engine has 65,000 KM and doesn't use any oil. :shades:
    It seems the low sulfur fuel is now sold everywhere in the region where live. It's not yet the ULSD but at least it doesn't smell and irritate my lungs anymore. Today I pay diesel $4.80US per US gallon and this gives me a running cost of $0.58US per mile during 10 years if I drive 20,000 miles every year and because I have no loan on the truck. It's still pretty expensive mainly because of fuel mileage.
  • kimmer1kimmer1 Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for all the input on MPG, especially on how to keep the torque convertor locked up. I am sure that a 50/50 blend of #1 and #2 diesel for winter has an effect on mileage, but I was hoping to get better mileage than my one ton diesel 4x4 Cummins truck with 200k miles. Has anyone put on a "flow thru" muffler?

    A note on Power Service additive, from our NAPA rep, who also drives a Duramax. He was told from GM that they would not warrant any fuel related problems on the Duramax if the owner was using Power Service additive because it breaks down the seals on the new high pressure fuel delivery systems. According to him, the only additive recommended for the Duramax is Standadyne (sp?).

    Kimmer
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    Mine will lock @ 50 and stay down to about 48.
  • synlubessynlubes Member Posts: 184
    i put on the aero turbine muffler and love it haven't had time yet to check milage will let you no also installed245 75 16 tires all the liberty will handle i run eighteen hundrd rpm at sixty five miles per hour
  • craigs1969craigs1969 Member Posts: 20
    Have 3000 miles on the oem tires and after reading several posts here, have concerns about them. For those out there who put new tires on, did you get a trade value for the originals? How much?
  • jkinzeljkinzel Member Posts: 735
    Well, I stopped by my local Jeep dealer today and sat in new Jeep Liberty CRD with leather and all the goodies. :D Red with grey interior for $31,XXX. It was on the show room floor and with the time to get it out I didn’t have time for a test drive. :(
    I spent so much time looking at the front seat area and engine I never looked at the rest. Guess I’ll have to go back. ;)
    What machine!
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    While driving home from some errands this evening, my CRD broke. I was attempting to merge onto the highway when I had no power. I put my foot into the gas and still no power or acceleration. Never stalled, and no lights on the dashboard came on. Felt like the turbo became detached.

    From a stop, the engine felt totally gutless and revved up slower than usual, much slower. Once underway, and up to speed, I was able maintain speed, but nothing over 50 MPH. The one - two shift was harsher than usual, but the 3-4 shift seemed okay. Heard some whooshing noise reflected off of other cars/jersey wall but I am not sure this came from me.

    Still have original EGR valve. Idle was rougher too. No smoking noted.

    Any thoughts appreciated. Going to bed now.
  • ttandjjttandjj Member Posts: 21
    Sounds similar to what occurred to me. Check the turbo hoses. Mine had the inlet hose blow off. Makes a horrible sound, does it not? Good luck. The T
  • martyzmartyz Member Posts: 21
    Looks like ttandjj beat me to it on this answer, but it's probably because one of the high pressure turbo hoses blew off due to a loose clamp. At least you could drive yours: I had to get a tow because I was too dumb to look under the engine cover.

    Should be an obvious, easy fix, if that is the problem.

    Good luck!
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    When the mass airflow sensor dies or sees no air you get the default injection parameters. Info comes from a VW TDI owner who had this problem twice. It's their weak point I was told. This concerns the hot wire sensor.

    When the transmission controller dies, I read somewhere we still have P+R+N+ 1st and 2nd gears.

    If the EGR valve stays open then idling should be impossible and you would need a tow.

    It's nice to hear you were able drive home safely especially during winter.
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