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To extend the warranty to 7/100,000 on Chrysler's Max-Care plan with no deductible will cost me something over $3,000, or about 15% of the original cost of the vehicle.
"These are the times to try men's souls." --Thomas Paine, Patriot
I saw my first diesel GC on a dealer's lot the other day. It was situated way to the rear of the lot, and sticker priced in the neighborhood of $48,000. That's over twice as much as I paid for my Liberty CRD.
If anyone has thought about adding them, I'd recommend the OEM plates because of ease of installation. I have an air wrench that made the install a snap. You need a torque wrench to snug them to specific pound feet of snugness.
It was also a fun project.
We are leaving MN in a couple of days for three days in Death Valley and four days in Yosemite, hoping to find some places to put some scratches into the skid plates!
I have not had any problems to report, knock on wood.
There is a reason these EGR's are needing replacement. They have to find the cause instead of just replacing the same part over and over. 6 EGR's is just plane stupid, there has to be a cause.
farpit
P.S. Farout, I'd like to meet you sometime. I think you may have attended the same church as I do. Reply to me offlist: bill@martinstation.com
DR
Nescosmo.
Our CRD was in the shop 25 times, DCX bought it back from us. I am not the only one DCX has bought back their CRD. You either get a great one or a CRd with problems that never stop.
In fairness there is always a number of vehicles in any production that are faulty. The majority of CRD's on this forum have had good experiences with their CRD.
farout
Would I purchase another one? My answer is, in half a heartbeat.
I have 43,000 on mine, winter diesel averages 24.2 and summer diesel is 26.2 mpg.
Have the dealer change the rires if is has the Goodyear ST's.
I have been thinking buying a second one. :shades:
We were charged the lowest cost the zone rep had ever seen, 5 cents a mile. Remember we had been to the dealer 25 times, and put more than 2,500 going to and back to the dealer. Also the time spent in the dealership waiting for the repairs was almost like having a home away from home.
You must call customer care everytime you take your vehicle into the shop and get them to see how much time is being spent.
I NEVER insluted the thec's or the Service Dept. I alwasy said how hard they were trying to solve my problems. DCX has mad customers all day long. Honey gets more attention than insults.
If you have more than 36,000 miles DCX will not do a thing! we had 28,500 miles when we were told they wanted to buy it back, and 30,000 miles wen we turned it in. Our extended Chrysler service Contract was transfered over to our Compass. We could not have been treated better. Hope this helps.
farout
I tried the ORM for a few miles and did notice the smoothness and power on demand. I chickened out for the above reason before I could check any mpg changes. Too bad, because I'm guessing my in-town fuel efficiency would have benefitted a lot.
Nescosmo.
I am tempted, but I dont want a vehicle that's going to be a PIA. In the sense of reliability. I've been reading the threads and I know its a crap shoot but I'm still tempted. Apparently mileage is also a crap shoot. I would HOPE to achieve at least the rated numbers 22/26. I know how to drive for max mileage, though a stick is better for that. I also do NOT like the noise and smell of say a RAM diesel or the older Benzes. The Liberties are supposed to be quieter and cleaner?
Any thoughts? Thanks.
It is a little noisy on the inside (mostly engine) at low speeds but at cruise, it is pretty quiet. From the outside it is reasonably quiet once warmed up to operating temperature. I have found that using B5 or some cetane improver quiets things down. As to fuel economy, do not expect to see the best FE until after 15K+ miles.
One real concern I have that probably people wont be able to address but I'll put it out here anyway is - since it is illegal to import new Liberty diesels to California thanks to the corrupt air resources board, the people who gave us the carcinogen MTBE in our gas and now our groundwater, but I digress, sorry - since there have been none in Cal, I wonder how difficult it will be to get quality SERVICE on a Liberty diesel?
farout
I might be wrong, but is there not a extra fee to pay the DMV to get this regestered in CA? Might be worth your while tocheck it out.
As a word of advice don'e buy the CRD without a 100,000 mile warranty Chrysler Service Contract. I would be suprised if it did not pay for it's self and then some.
Farout
If you happen to buy one and it comes with Goodyear Wrangler ST tires, get rid of them ASAP. They are beyond awful. I put Bridgestone Alenza tires on my CRD at 111 miles and what an improvement.
As to service, that is a tough question. I could recommend a very good dealer here in Maryland, but I do not think that you would be willing to drive that far for repairs/service.
Plenty of Dodge dealers around. Also of course the selling Jeep dealer who of course will swear to high heaven they'll service the thing before I sign the purchase contract. But I did get the feeling many are unhappy with the level of service they got even at "trained" Jeep dealers. Witness the EGR service stories I read. THat scares me as far as getting the Liberty CRD serviced. The worst service work I ever got with my Cherokee was at a Jeep dealer whenthe computer failed. They put in the worng replacement ($550) but refused to make it right for me even when I proved the darn thing was wrong by getting one from a junkyard that matched the one I had which fixed all the issues their new one caused.
How is the gas mileage on the compass, BTW?
The other car I'm considering is the Patriot, with the off-road gearing. But it's pretty pricey and the mileage rating is only 21/23. I expected a lot better and those are 2007 numbers (I think).
Your mileage sounds like just the ticket for me. I hate going into the gas station anymore. I told the guy at the one I use regularly that soon I'm going to turn the tables and come in and rob HIM once a week.
Thank you,
Skeeter
It came down to resetting the trans module,they had to trick the computer by bypassing the overdrive circuit using a transmission simulator and changed the t60 O/D solenoid control with T159 circuit(4c solenoid control?).Final verdict,if MIL returns with same code,replace trans cont module,if it returns with a "4c" code it needs a wiring repair.So the service rep said keeep an eye on it and if anything happens bring it in asap.everyone at the dealership feels bad about this and we were told to talk to the owner of the place.Going to give it some time and see what happens,but i don't get a warm fuzzy about this.It's too bad because i really like this rig when it is working.hope none of you get the same issue but keep this post in mind,cheers all....
Impressions - my wife liked the Liberty better. Said it felt 'sportier' to drive. She noticed a bit of turbo lag, but liked the power and grunt of the turbo diesel.
I liked the Patriot more than I thought I would. It really rides and handles quite well. Felt solid, smoothed out the bumps better than the Lib. Very quiet. Driving position and steering feel fit me very well. Brakes were near perfect too. The engine is actually pretty reasonable, if your expectations aren't too high. Certainly blows away the old 2.4 4cyl in my '86 Cherokee (172 HP vs I think 122 or something for the 86)
Hate to admit it, I like the Patriot ride feel better than the Liberty. But that's probably not too surprising since it's on a car chassis. This was first CVT I've driven and it was quite smooth. Pulled into a 'downshift' pretty nicely when floored on uphill grade. In short, it's a pretty capable and smooth alternative to the ruggedness of the Liberty. The FD II is probably all most people will need off road.
Must say though that the interior of the Patriot is really cheap looking. Almost embarassingly so. And this was the Limited model!
Now, the Liberty did not disappoint me. The pull of the diesel and the relative quickness of it when pushed were welcome. It fells like a real stump-puller. 295 lb-ft! Right on. It was fairly noisy, but not overwhelming so by any means. My wife didnt like it at first, but was content to tune it out after just a few miles test drive. One thing bothered me - something was rattling in the rear, besides the salesmans' jewelry I mean. Sounded like the tailgate windor wasnt closed tightly, but I stopped and checked and slammed it shut and noise dod not abate. I do NOT like rattly noises and would refuse this car if they didnt fix that. Anyway .. Otherwise, the Liberty felt to me, not surprisingly, like a much improved Cherokee on the road. But as I said, the Patriot was better. But the Liberty was good. Quite good. Certainly good enough for me. And the Libery just is a more capable vehicle in just about every way. The biggest kicker is that I will almost certainly want to pull a cargo trailer and the Patriot just will not do that. Not if it weighs over 2000 lbs anyway and I'd be that much cargo alone in the trailer. And the Liberty would certainly run rings around the Patriot off road. And it'll be cheaper on fuel. I think the Liberty won both of us over. Now, to consider if I really wanna sell my current ride and do this ...