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A lower-priced Avalon XLS does have the features most people want either standard or optional for well under $37,000.
Most likely they chose a 300 Limited rather than a 300C because they wanted the softer and cushier version that is more comparable to Buicks and Avalons.
Maybe Chrysler will eventually make the Hemi engine optional in the Limited model.
Don't hold your breath! With the same engine (and transmission) as the C, there would be little or no differentiation between the Limited and the C.
This option would make the Limited a C...
I read that page before posting. So I guess let me clarify my question. Why test a 37K Avalon against a lesser priced version of the 300 and not step up to the C when it can be had for under the price that you tested the Avalon for?
Now if the point was to only test V-6's I can see the conclusion making complete sense. In fact I saw one in MotorTrend. The 300 had won but even if it didn't it wouldn't have made any difference because the point was made that they were only testing V-6 engine models of Full Size sedans.
In this comparison that wasn't stated and while they do say it's optional they don't state as to why it was not chosen. Under the final page for the Toyota it even states that they tested a lower model at 31K for the features that were required for the test (it had seven of the ten required). At even that price point the C is still only 2K shy of that. That's why I'm scratching my head. In addition to that they say that "A bigger problem is the fact that you can't get reverse sensors." Not true. You can ... on the C. So for comparison purposes I just want to know why it wasn't chosen?
Value is one of the key things about the 300 so if you cut off the options list without stating why it makes the comparison article seem odd. Especially considering the C is no longer the highest trim available.
Their full-size sedans ranged from low $20,000's to high $30,000's. There was no reason to leave out the C as it would actually come in under the Avalon. This would have eliminated their main gripe -- power under stress!
The 300C second to the Toyota Avalon? Are you kidding me?
Clearly the '06s have started to roll, with some of their parts showing up a little beforehand. I was never a fan of silver-painted wheels, so these are an improvement I guess.
I read the same article and came away wondering what happened to the 300C.
I personally drove a 300C and Avalon back to back 1 week ago, and bought the 300C the next day. And my monthly payments wound up being cheaper then the Avalon. So in my book, they were equivalent cars. P.S.-I didn't even consider the V6 300.
I get a sense of favoritism in that article. Is it possible that Toyota asked Edmunds to review the car against other V6s? Is it possible that Edmunds thought no one would read the article if it was just another "the 300C is the best" article?
If Edmunds picked the Avalon over the 300, based on say quality, fun to drive factor, or looks, then you wouldn't be able to say much. But the article penalizes the 300 for lacking features that the 300C has. They essentially handicapped the 300 in that article. Why?
I am perplexed. Could Edmunds please explain why the 300C was not used?
I hope they have cleared up those problems. To me, I just liked the Avalon better. I have had several Toyota's , and they are so reliable. I have seen some nice looking 300's though, and I wish all of you that bought them the best.
I really did consider one.
Does Chrysler have a shortage of V8 hemis which is inhibiting building all the v8's the market seems to want?
And is it correct that rising gas prices are __not__ affecting the sale of these V8 versions by any significant amount?
I know they're still considered one of the hottest vehicles on the market a year after intro, but a recent trip to a few dealers left me wondering. We live in southern DE near the beach and there's quite a few 300's on the roads, mainly V6 models. However, when I went to the two local dealers last weekend, one had 4 300C Hemi's (2 black, 1 blue, and 1 satin jade) plus a base 2.7 model, all strangely with red tag sales stickers hanging from the rearview mirrors. They also had 3 Magnums, 1 RT Hemi and 2 SXT's, that I knew had been sitting there for a while. The next dealer had 3 300's, two Hemi's and one Touring--all of which I knew had been there a couple weeks.
They seem willing to deal, but I wonder if this is the situation others of you have found lately. This mainly struck me as odd because they're both very small dealers, and were clearly willing to discount. Think gas prices have anyone reconsidering the Hemi?
Last autumn I saw a couple on the dealer's lot that had BAD orange peel. The difference between the paint on those cars, and the earlier ones I had seen was night and day. Last week I parked next to a dark red (Lava?) 300 Touring. The paint was awful. Looked like someone went over it with a spray can, but since various degrees of orange peel from bad to unbelievable, and even some ridges, covered the entire surface, that can't be it.
What's going on? I wouldn't accept delivery of a car of any make that looked like that. Has the factory been cutting corners in the paint room to meet demand? A bad batch? Anyone have any info?
Hope Chrysler doesn't Golden Goose the 300. It has a real chance to move the whole division up-market.
Here is the 1998 Chrysler Chronos concept car
http://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/chronos.html
Now the 57 300C
http://www.allpar.com/cars/chrysler-300c.html
Then notice the new 300's front end. Also, the taillights of the new 300 are like that of the 57 300.
Best Regards,
Shipo
the football field of a hood, the high fengers, the big ol' intake, and slunk down look of the cab area... see for yourself...
My car was built in August 2004, yet I thought they had the problem fixed after May 2004? This is deffinatly a real issue, and not the road.
The first trip to the dealer was a bust. They followed the TSB and said it was fine. I could feel the pull less than 30 seconds after I hit the road.
So after trip number one to the "5 Star Dealer" in Boston's North Shore, I still have my 300 leading to the right. This is total BS. Why isn't Chrysler doing something about this. My car is in for fix #2, and if it goes to #3. Lemon Law. No questions asked. Has ANYONE had this problem fixed?
Best Regards,
Shipo
I already did it. I am fighting Chrysler on this one!!!!!!
Also getting ready to start a Lemon Law suit. Anyone do this yet?
Report your problem to NHTSA:
https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
Chrysler 300
On another board specifically for these cars, most owners of the AWD models have not had any problems, but those who have tend to share a common trait--the Hemi. Particularly, out of everything, the front differential does seem to be having issues, just like you found out. According to one person who already had this same repair, his dealer's service department told him that it was because the front differential just isn't strong enough for the Hemi's grunt--something they back up by noting how the AWD models with the 3.5L engine have not had the problem, or at least not as much as the Hemi models have.
Seemed strange that they would start production of something that "isn't strong enough", but that's what I've read and been told. Hope your car is fixed for good, however, and you continue to enjoy it!
My post was just a re-post of info from another place. It doesn't sound like something that's going to become a massive problem, but when the same thing happens to the same cars in the same time period and one dealer tech department says it's because the diff. is too weak for the Hemi, it makes you wonder.
You´ll fix the problem by fixing the camber of the tires. Most dealers are ONLY taking care of FRONT WHEELS, and FORGETTING ABOUT THE REAR ONES.! :mad:
I bought a 300 Touring Edition in November and almost immediately noticed my main dashboard lights flickering intermittently. Sometimes it's a fast flicker and sometimes it's stays dim for a few seconds before going bright again. This includes the speedometer lights and the radio lights. There doesn't seem to be any reasoning to it. It will happen sometimes when I'm sitting at stop lights and sometimes when I'm on the highway. The first time I took it in, they reset the system, which didn't work. The second time they upgraded the software apparently and the problem continues to persist. This is a tough on because it's hard to fix if they can't recreate it. I've noticed that if turn my headlights on and off again, it seems to stop the flicker but I haven't conducted any scientific studies to see if this is the case all the time. Seems to be a wiring short or something. Has anyone else experienced this problem and had success correcting it? It's driving me crazy and aside from this issue, I love the car but it's starting to spoil the experience. Any advice would be appreciated.
This was a classic 300M/LHS problem which apparently still needs addressing.
01/12/05 2005 .. #18-003-05 . Flash: Headlights Fluctuation and/or Int. Lamps Fluctuation
John
Will let you know what happens
Thanks :confuse:
This is a bunch or crap they are telling us.
dennisfe2004@yahoo.com
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