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Also, I am sorry if I came off so defensive. But I guess I was caught totally off guard by those who think I have time to make up a Suzuki Verona horror story. I actually read all the other posts prior to posting my comments, and I don't recall anybody recieving such a response. Everyone's replies seemed so informative and supportive which is why I felt comfortable sharing my situation.
I was in total disbelief when this second Verona cut off. When I called the dealership (whom I have come to know very well) and dropped off my current Verona, I was informed they had 3 other Veronas with the same issue as mine. My car has been with them since Aug. 1 and I was told the "fix" could only be corrected by the Suzuki technician who would not be available until this week and it had to be government approved. He (the service manager) did not get anymore technical than that - maybe b/c I am a woman, who knows! ;o)
I can say that coming to this forum (despite the attack on my credibility) has been quite informative. At least I can put some kind of terminology to the problem.
I believe easterbaby...I was offered a trade our by Suzuki, for anything but antother Verona, and the servicing dealer tells me they have traded 2 others out of their Verona for other models...
The car stalling has nothing to do with cold starts. I live in Ohio, bought mine in Alabama, and the first stall was driving home, after getting gas in Tennessee, and accelereating on a highway entrance ramp.
According to Suzuki distict rep, the 05 will be here in October. And I still like the car, and plan to buy an 05 when I get back from my next trip to Asia...
http://www.connect.com.cn/fengyun2003/niandu.htm
I do hope they sort out the stalling problems also.
She said people were without their cars and wanted Suzuki to make their car payments. And I was like, oh really. I was without my car for long periods of time and no one offered to make my car payment. This generosity hasn't happened yet though. I did tell her I thought I deserved a free vacation or something for my trouble
I asked her why doesn't Suzuki have a recall and she says they won't because they don't want to admit there is a major problem. So you all need to be aware of what is going on with your Veronas because Suzuki is not going to come out and tell you.
One gentleman filed a lemon law claim and got the XL-7 instead. If I can get this car to run a year without major problems, I will probably trade out then. Unless of course I have to file another claim.
Sorry, there is no more power but I've learned how to make it go, b/c of my "lead foot" disease ;o)
Good Luck.
If the engine is not as "smooth" and the steering feels "tighter" is the engine generating less RPM's? AT any rate, Suzuki doesn't need this kind of bad press and the resulting postings on the NHTSA website. I thought cars stalling have gone the way of the dinosaur, or maybe I should say carberator! Now when the new redesign comes out, one has to ask-what computer and software are they using? Will this happen again? And will all unsold cars get reprogramed?
suzukiadmin@cdcTechnologies.com
Easterbaby, I hope all works out for you with the new Verona.
Ref: Message #854...... That is great
that you are getting some pay back for the inconvience. Way to GO, some times it only takes a phone call........
"Verified concern. Flashed system and rechecked OKAY. Performed by SUZUKI DISTRICT MANAGER."
Now I have stickers under the hood that day KA, KB, and KE. I can't tell now if the Verona responds better or that I have lost the rough idle etc. Will check it over the next few days and post the results. I noticed the Suzuki rep had other Verona's in the stall that still had the window sticker prices on them. I would think he was doing something to those before being sold. I can't confirm that though. For those that want to do their oil and filter change, parts stores ( don't know if I can name them or the parts brand here) carry the Oil filter
($3.00) now for the Verona and I think I will start doing my own oil change.
Now about my experience. I bought my Verona in late December 2004. I bought the $19,999.00 Verona Ex for $16.998.00. My purchase included free oil changes for the year. I have had NO warranty work whatsoever. I haven't needed it. The Verona EX has nearly 15,000 miles on it. I get a consistent 25+ MPG. My last tank I went 400 miles of daily driving to and from work, in August and got 26.64 MPG. It is one of the quietest cars I've had the pleasure to have driven. During the last rain storm while driving on the highway I found myself wishing I didn't have a sun roof because it was the only place I could hear the rain. There is just no water splash noise coming from the wheel wells front or back. A co-worker and I were discussing the Ford hybrid SUV the other day and she commented that it is said you can't even hear it when you are at a stop and I had to tell her I have the same experience when I have my Verona running and come to a stop. There is just silence and no vibration.
I had the oil changed last Friday. My dealer is the 8th highest in sales of Veronas in the nation. There were no other Veronas in the service area and no other disgruntled Verona owners discussing Suzuki making their monthly payments. Just daytime tv in the waiting room and a hint of motor oil in the air.
It has become apparent the market is very crowded in the four door sedan market sector. The Korean Manufacturers have caused the same reaction the Japanese did in the late 60s and early 70s. The high quality products from Hyundai, Kia and Suzuki/GMDAT at an ultra competitive price is pushing the established US, European and Japanese manufacturers to take a closer look at the marketplace and their place in it. There is increasing pressure to hold onto market penetration. And some of the familiar names are loosing ground.
This is enough for now. I'll be back in a week or perhaps a few months to give you another piece of my mind.
Actually, the only reports in support of Korean quality are concerning Hyundai, and subsequent to the acquisition, Hyundai-based Kias. If you can find a report documenting the significant improvement in any GM/Daewuki product, by all means post a link.
"This is enough for now. I'll be back in a week or perhaps a few months to give you another piece of my mind."
Great. Thats about as much as we all can handle. But it is great to see someone post with such an unbiased opinion of his vehicle, lol.
~alpha
Not sure why posting our problems is "silly" but to each his/her own. Your not having any problems with your Verona is good news for you. I hope you continue to enjoy your car. And I hope I continue to enjoy my 2nd Verona since I got the "reflash".
However, I know of 6 (including myself) Verona owners in my town alone who have had problems. And b/c you haven't had problems you can't say we are just making them up or that we are being silly. What would be the purpose of that? Believe it or not, I don't have a secret grudge against anyone at Suzuki for which I would come out here to post negative things about their cars.
And why hasn't Suzuki made this problem known...well you will just have to ask them. Trust me, they are not eager and willing to admit they built a defective car.
So if and when you post your next opinion, you will probably still be defensive, which is fine but it doesn't change my experience or anybody elses, silly or otherwise.
And finally, yes I filed a lemon law claim and yes I took another Verona b/c I wanted one. So if that makes me crazy so be it. If that is not what you would have done, okay. We all have to do what we have to do. And for the record, my lawyer informed me that going for the cash takes a lot longer than a transfer. So don't think just asking for the cash is going to be that easy.
oil. I think the service department of the dealers (mine is a Chrysler dealer also) do not pay attention to the specifications of the different automobiles they sell. I know the Verona was new for 2004, but they should have all the service items worked out by now. I purchased my Verona in Oct 03. Oh well, I will keep asking questions about the car and maybe I will get the right answers and I still enjoy driving the Verona.
Verona: Big on Style
A European-designed midsize sedan with the following standard equipment: A 2.5-Liter, 24-valve DOHC in-line six-cylinder engine (vs. the competitions’ four-cylinder engines); fully adaptive automatic transmission with step-gate shifter; air conditioning with micron air-filtration system; power windows and door locks; keyless entry; cruise control; in-dash AM/FM CD/cassette player with six speakers; four-wheel disc brakes; speed-sensitive power steering; and fog lights.
Available features include: Leather seating surfaces; power tilt-and-slide sunroof; automatic climate control; four-wheel ABS with traction control; 16-inch aluminum alloy wheels; eight-way power driver’s seat and heated seating surfaces.
 2005 Verona trim levels:
 S: Well-equipped, five-passenger sedan, with air conditioning, a six speaker CD/cassette audio system, and power windows and locks;
 LX: Better-equipped five-passenger sedan with power tilt-and-slide sunroof and 16-inch alloy wheels;
 EX: Feature-rich five-passenger sedan. Automatic transmission and leather package are standard; traction control is an option.
 Changes on all Verona trim levels:
 Introduction of advanced airbag for front passenger
 Side airbags standard on all models
 Tool case in trunk compartment
 New tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS)
 Iridium spark plugs
 Upgraded emission level to ULEV II
 New exterior color: Champagne Beige Metallic
 Additional changes on Verona LX:
 Power tilt-and-slide sunroof standard
*Questions marks don't mean anything.
Ken
www.nhtsa.dot.gov is the website.
Make: SUZUKI
Model: VERONA
Year: 2004
Recall Number: 04V396000
Summary:
IN CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES, A FAULT IN THE ADAPTIVE FUEL CONTROL LOGIC CAN CAUSE SOME VEHICLES TO USE AIR/FUEL RATIOS DURING DECELERATION THAT ARE LEAN ENOUGH TO CAUSE ENGINE STALLING.
Consequence:
ENGINE STALLING COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPROGRAM THE ELECTRONIC CONTROL MODULE (ECM) ON AFFECTED VEHICLES. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING SEPTEMBER 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT SUZUKI AT 1-800-934-0934.
Notes:
SUZUKI RECALL NO. KE. CUSTOMERS CAN CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-DASH-2-DOT (1-888-327-4236).
Factory tech reprogrammed ECM for mine but still stalls even more than before. It's at the dealer since Aug 10, 2004. Luckly, I got a rental since then. All attempts failed to find the root cause. Another factory tech has been dispatched.
I baught mine about 2 months ago and put 2300 miles on it before experiencing the Engine Stalling 4 times on me right on the major highly traffic street. I barely pulled over and escaped from the honkers.
This Red baby looks good but drives like a Turkey.
But my advice to veronavictim is to file a lemon law claim like I did. And this time maybe you should try for the buyout but it won't be easy. If you want info about filing a claim, shoot me an email and I will tell you the steps I went through.
BTW - where are all those people in this forum who didn't believe us? ;o)
the summer heat we have had this year. Their is a glitch that has come up I am wondering if anyone has had this problem my gas gauge under reads, I will use about two gallons and the gauge
reg' half full which I know is not true apart from that I find the car is comfortable handles
ex well
The best thing about the whole experience was that I had 3 people in the car including a relative visiting from out of town. They all marveled at how quiet the car is. They couldn't even hear the motor or detect upshifts/downshifts when going up and down hills. I love this car.
I called Suzuki and they were going to refer it to a Tech and call me back. I'm still waiting for a call. That was about 2 wks age.
Works properly on lower outside temps.