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Dodge V-10
Would like any comments on Dodge V-10s,I'm looking
for 3/4 ton to pull a 27'boat approximate wt.9000.
I don't really want a diesel.
for 3/4 ton to pull a 27'boat approximate wt.9000.
I don't really want a diesel.
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JUST MY OPINION!
new Chevy 6.0 and its runs good but my seat of the
pants feel is my Dodge will still out pull it."
I would definately like to see that.
6.0 may have as much horsepower (300), but is
lacking in the torque department for big-time
towing. The Dodge V10 has something like 450 lb-ft of peak torque and that's probably at about 2500 rpm, whereas the 6.0L has 355 lb-ft of torque at the peak of 4000 rpm. The real engine to compare to the V10 is the 7.4L engine in the heavy-duty trucks. The new GM 8.1L Vortec V8 will be out for 2001 and that should be a monster. The 6.0L is a great engine, don't get me wrong, but it's not a true heavy duty puller like the Dodge V10.
-powerisfun
A Dodge 8.0 litre V-10 getting outpulled by a chevy 6.0? Amazing, yet again another chevy fan who doesent understand torque.
I bet you have a "NO FEAR" sticker too eh?
Hahah
As far as the 6.0l outperforming the V10. I don't mean to imply that your V10 is wimpy, but there is more catagories to compare than just torque. I am not going to debate these issues. I don't care to have another civil war about something that is more preference than facts.
I don't care for Dodge because everyone I know that has had them has complained about anemic engines for the displacement size, poor transmissions, brakes, and poor fuel economy.
I am sure your Dodge is a perfectly good truck. Dodge is just lagging behind GM and Ford, in my opinion.
Good luck with your V10. No bashing was intended.
the chevy is like 366 or near, and the v-10's are in the 450 displacemt range, thats a big difference
to me that says something, that chevy must have done something right
Most horsepower 310 Chevy 300 not a big difference
Most torque 450 vs 355
Hell, the Dodge developes more torque at idle speed than the Chevy max.
Chevy even rates towing less than Dodge by a couple thousand pounds.
The latest Trailer life reviews the Chevy 6.o pulling a small 6000 pound trailer. It does a decent job but nothing spectaculer. Has to down shift to 2nd on a 7 degree grade to hold 52 mph. My 97 350 does that well.
The Chevy does tie the Dodge on gas mileage towing. Both get in the 8 to 8.5 range. pulling a 6000 pound plus trailer.
It surprises me to no end how Chevy, Ford and Dodge owners see only their own product as best in every category. Now if I could have my dream truck it would be a Ford Diesel and auto tranny in a Dodge body with a Chevy interior.
Now I'll duck(g).
Rich
-powerisfun
My dream truck would have 750hp, 1000 ft-lb of torque, a GVWR of 20,000 pounds, a tow rating of 50,000 pounds, accompanied by a tranny and suspension that could handle all that power and poundage, and it would fit in a 1/2 pickup truck. It's just a dream after all.....
I just think a V10 should be in a "class of its own" type engine. It should be a viable alternative to the Powerstroke for the gas engine buyer. It just doesn't compare. I don't take the magazine tests and ratings very seriously, even when it reveals some advantage to the GM trucks. Real world experience is what makes the sale for me. You have to wonder though, how all these tests are giving a thumbs up to the 6.0l performance over the Ford V10 in as many catagories as it has, including towing. I didn't make the claim, just read the same tests as everyone else.
I don't think the V10's are a bad engine. Really, they are still too new for anyone to make a lot of fuss over yet. They just disappoint me for all the hype and fuss they have gotten, especially when a V8 "keeps up with it".
My dream truck would be to have basically the same trucks being built today, only without all the limiting emissions crap! You could add instant real power, just yank all the restrictive emission equipment off and throw in the garbage.
Of course, then we all die of carbon monoxide poisoning. What the hell is a truck enthusiast to do?????
Take care.
My point all along when the subject of 6.0 vs 6.8L V-10 is that the engines were designed for different purposes. The V-10 was designed primarily with heavy hauling or heavy towing in mind.
When you think about it, the V-10 is really an engine that fits between the two Chevy engines when you look at liters: 6.0 vs 6.8 vs. 7.4. I think the 6.8L is the equivalent displacement of 410 or 415 cubic inches.
I had always heard that the Dodge V-10 was a gas guzzler, but the mpg you list for the Dodge V-10 appears to be pretty similar to what has been reported for the Ford V-10 with 3.73 axle ratio, although the city figures may be a little higher for the Ford. Both figures you quote are better than I get with the Ford V-10 in a dually 4x4 Supercab with the 4.30 axle ratio. I get 11.5-12 on the hwy and 9.5-10 in a combo of city/hwy. I suspect I would get closer to 9mpg in straight city. The 4.30 and the dually cost me a couple of mpg, but I have no regrets about opting for the 4.30. What axle ratio do you have in your truck?
I have the 3.54's. And yes, it's amazing, every time someone looks at the door and sees "V10" they think I'm getting 3 mpg or something. My GMC 350 got around 12 avg. mpg (by guesstimate). The V10 makes more hp and torque at idle than my 350 did a peak (350 was TBI). Besides, who buys a 3/4 ton full size 4x4 (with the exception of fleets, etc.) and thinks mileage is the most important consideration? Power and capability is what I want. And I agree with you - the GM guys keep bringing up the 6.0 because it's all they have to compare (for now anyway). But really there is no comparison.
Your smokin crack. My 1 ton Chevy 454 with 226,000 miles on it will out-tow your V10. All we are saying is that the V10 is not that impressive, especially when over short hauls, the 6.0l "V8" will out-tow it. Doesn't say much for such a "powerhouse" V10.
I am glad it suits your needs though.
Zbad, nobody argues that the 454 is a powerhouse it's just in this modern time manufacturers have to figure out how to make power and keep it clean. Even if your 454 will still out tow everything it would no doubt not be allowed to be sold as a new engine. That is the reason we saw the advent of fuel injection etc..That's why I believe you'll see more OHC designs and smaller displacement motors in the future. It's easier to meet EPA standard with those combos and still make respectable power. Like I've said in the past, if there was no EPA we'd be running around with Chrysler Hemis and Boss Ford Hemis making more power than we'd ever need, but we do have to breathe.
Take it easy
I am open to change, but being an Engineer, I also believe in tons of testing to prove a product before putting it into production. It's my opinion that the Trition needed a lot more testing before putting it into production, at least in a truck. Ford may refine the truck and Triton may refine the engines to be the most superior and sophisticated line of truck made, but I think they have a long way to go yet.
I'm all for a cleaner running engine that better meets EPA and is cheaper to build, but not at the cost of performance. I don't claim GM to be the greatest manufacturer of trucks. They too have had their fair share of "Oops's" in their time. However, I think in comparison of the big three trucks, in the light - medium duy capacity, GM has done it the best, at least for now.
If the truth be known, my wife and I really like everything about the F250's, with the exception of engine choices. We are talking about buying a travel trailer, which I know my 1/2 ton will not tow easily. However, I could not even humor the idea of buying an F250 with the gas engine choices that are available right now and I am not a big fan of the diesels for personal reasons, mainly their higher maintenance costs. So, if Ford gets the gas engine lines up to par, we will most likely be buying a Ford F250 in the future.
I am not as pro GM as it may have sounded from my previous posts. I just am not impressed with the Ford light to medium duty gas engine lines. I may just have to give in and go with the new 6.0l Powerstroke that Brutus has talked about.
Take care
Not happy with the gas line-up? The V-10?? OH come on, are you going to tell me that there should be a monster eight instead?? The V-10 is practically equal to your 6.0 for performace. You like the rest of the truck?? Right? I don't understand the drawback for you.
In my opinion, there are basically three characteristics that define engine: 1) raw hp and torque figures, 2) how that torque and hp is distributed, 3) durability over time. Ford is getting more pure hp and torque out of their Triton engines than they got out of the engines they replaced, and the distribution of that torque and hp is at least as good or better as their previous engines. Although there still isn't enough data out yet to fully address the reliability issue, I think that it's pretty safe to say that the Tritons will last longer than their predecessors.
Note that the previous e-mail does not mention a comparison of the Triton to the Vortec line. My only point is that the figures don't support the argument that the OHC design isn't a good engine for hard working trucks.
Even if Ford moved towards the OHC for EPA reasons, the result was a stronger engine that will provide more power when you need it and will last longer than their previous engines. Most advances in technology are often thrust on manufacturers by outside forces such as government regulation, competitors or market demands.
As far as the 6.0L diesel, Ford will sell plenty, but most of them will probably be sold to people who don't really need a diesel. The gas engines provide plenty of torque to two what most people in the 6000-8600 GVWR rated trucks tow. Initial indications are that the baby diesel will have 345 ft-lb of torque. I think the main attraction will be the mpg. If the cost of the baby diesel option is about the same as the cost of the Powerstroke option and the mpg gains are similar (5-7mpg), it will take at least 100,000 miles to recoup the cost. Don't forget to factor in the 30+ oil changes you'll have before you hit 100,000 miles. The Powerstroke takes about 14 quarts of oil.
Personally, the only reason I would consider a diesel is if I really needed the extra torque, although I can certainly understand people who buy the engine because they like driving diesels. I could justify the diesel considering what I use my truck for, but I still opted for gas. I can always install some aftermarket equipment to increase the torque up equal to the Powerstroke ( and also, allegedly, increase engine life) for about half the cost of the diesel option if I ever feel the need for more torque.
I apologize to the Dodge V-10 drivers for diverting from the topic discussion. It's just all this talk about crap gas engines from everyone but Chevy is silly, not to mention ridiculous, and of course, false.
Since zbad says that the only thing holding him back from making his next truck a Ford is a far inferior gas engine, obviously he has conceded that the rest of the Ford product is far superior to the Chevy.....with that one exception of the engine, of course.
I left a message for you in topic 863. Check it out.
Roc
I am sorry, I just don't like what I have heard and what I have read about the V10. Thats just me. And you all know how I feel about the other two Triton's. Thats just me.
I disagree about the OHC design being a stronger engine. If anything, just the opposite. Time will tell if the OHC trucks will have the same reliability of the pushrods. Its still too new.
The OHC design so far has not impressed me. I don't feel the torque or hp benefit that they supposedly have. The figures look good and maybe the dyno's do too, but I have to go on my actual driving experiences, which does not reveal the OHC engine to be anything all that impressive over my pushrod Vortec.
Again, just my opinion.
and said something as stupid and offensive as you
did I can assure you that you would not be standingvery long."
Don't count your chickens before they are hatched. Seen many a bigger man fall after saying that. Lots of bar-room brawls in Japan between the Marine Corps and the "other" services.
Don't be so sure of yourself. Could get you into trouble.
You started the slamming just from me disagreeing with your beloved V10 that a V8 is comparible to.
I never said that the 6.0l Chevy was a good "replacement". I just think its pretty sad that a V8 can even be compared to a V10 like the 6.0l has. That tells me that either GM has done something very right or Ford has done something very wrong. You decide, it really doesn't matter which.
And just for the record.....nobody can stop a bullet.
See ya, Jack
I stand corrected. The 6.0 diesel by Ford is the replacement for the Powerstroke and the 4.5L is the baby diesel. I thought you were talking about the smaller diesel, possibly in a 1/2 ton truck, which is one of the places Ford will be using them. As for the 6.0 diesel, I quoted the expected specs in several other topic areas. I don't have the specs in front of me, but I think the new diesel will have 305hp and 550 torque. The current 7.3L is rated at 235hp and 500.
Most of the truck tests I've seen aren't apples to apples. I saw one where, in an effort to make the trucks even, they pitted two 3/4 ton trucks against each based on equalizing the tow ratings. They ended up with a 3.73 axle ratio on the Ford extended cab against a 4.10 regular cab on the other truck (I'm pretty sure it was a Dodge). The reason they did it was because Ford has a higher tow rating. To me, that's not apples to apples.
The apples to apples test would have been to have both trucks be 3/4 extended cabs with 4.10 axle ratios, regarldless of what their tow ratings are in those configurations. Basically what they did to reduce the tow rating of the Ford was add some weight (extended cab) and take away some of the grunt by using a taller axle ratio.
I finally got the info on sales. Check out post 137 in topic 863.
You really think a non-secure site can keep me out???
Markcord....Consider it a cease fire. I need not prove the superiority of GM trucks. Just kidding.
Cease fire...really.
You busy designing your next 10 pc LAN?
hahahhaha
Why didn't you respond to my poorly cloaked messages in the other topics??
BTW: I'm a lowly roofing contractor and even I know how to get on this site if ever banned. Then again, I never cross the line to get banned in the first place. Ohhhhh, I've come close though......;)
The laugh is on you! LOL!!!
Firewall security and other encryptions are a different story.
As far as not responding, wanted to let the smoke clear.