:mad: I've done vast search's of RIV, Transport Canada & the Insurance Bureau of Canada's web sites in regards to the engine immobilzer for 2008 models and have found nothing stating that 2008 Toyota Trucks fall into this category.
Certain 2008 Toyota Cars and SUV's are on the list as being non-admissible and other's may be admisible if they have the manufactures engine immobilzer system as a standard feature on the vehicle.
My dealer in the States, that still has my 2008 Tacoma Double cab, said I'm fine, as the model I bought has the immoblizer as a standard item. He has refunded other people who have bought Toyota 2008's that are now not compliant though, just in case.
I emailed Toyota Canada and at first they had no info in this regard. Then when I pushed it, they came out with the identical list of 2008 vehicles as listed on Transport Canada's web page, EXCEPT...they some how added in both the Tacoma & Tundra. Hmmmm...I call [non-permissible content removed] on that! Pure evil!
I'm planning on picking the truck up this week, but need to know for sure!
Remember that CMVSS is the Canadian Motor Veh Safety Standard... how or why would the US manufacturer affix this label? They are not bound to CMVSS but to the FMVSS. The CMVSS is NOT THE SAME STANDARD as the FMVSS. The CMVSS 114 is of a HIGHER standard than the FMVSS 114. This is why RIV and TC has EXPLICITLY stated that for 2008 models: "Where there is no information concerning a current model year (2008) US specification vehicle you must contact the manufacturer to determine its admissibility or inadmissibility." This is the crux of the issue/problem... as far as I can tell, Toyota/Honda are not doing this unless you are a legit American moving to Canada.
civicexportit I am in the same boat as you. I think we also need this in writing to get it back to the dealer?
Please send me an e-mail with a sample of your letter if you don't mind. If you want to discuss it privately before hand let me know. I am also on the other thread
If you would re-read my comments you will see that I do understand the difference between the US and Canadian MVSS - much more than I ever wanted. My point to the Prius owner is that the US compliance sticker on the vehicle will show when the vehicle was manufactured. It will show that it was manufactured before Septmber 1, 2007 and therefore the car is not required to meet the Canadian standard as it does NOT relate to vehicles manufactured prior to September 1.
I have not received anything from RIV. I talked to them today and they told me to tell my case to a supervisor there Monday and plead my case. They had no answer as to why it was not admissible. They did admit it probably had to do with the CMVSS 114. However, they do not have exceptions on the Prius. They said the CMVSS 114 applied to SUV's only, not passenger cars but it does state on the RIV site: "CMVSS 114 - Locking and Immobilization Systems April 24, 2007 The Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (CMVSS) 114 - Locking and Immobilization Systems, has been amended and, effective September 1, 2007, will require that every Multipurpose passenger vehicle, passenger car, truck, and three wheel vehicle manufactured after September 1, 2007, except for an emergency vehicle, or a vehicle that has a GVWR of 4,536 kg or more, or a walk-in van, be equipped with an immobilization system that meets the requirements specified in the amendment.
Please be advised that if you are planning to import a vehicle manufactured after September 1, 2007, that the vehicle may be affected by this requirement and if an immobilizer that meets CMVSS 114 is not already installed in the vehicle, that an immobilization system will have to be installed. You may also want to verify the cost of such an installation prior to importing a vehicle."
Do you think I have a case in this instance? Also, my Form 1 states that the car was manufactured on Sept. 07 but the border patrol never went to physically look. It says in my vehicle August 07.
Let me know if you think my case is valid or if there is anything else they can come up with to stop me.
Incidentally, for anyone concerned about the 2008 Toyota vans and SUVs added to the inadmissible list, I talked to RIV again and got clarification on where, exactly, it says that pre-September manufacture dates are OK while post-September is not. If you look at the admissability list, page 19 refers to all minivans manufactured pre-September, and the Sienna is not on that list. The 2008 Sienna, Sequoia, FJ Cruiser, and LX570 are only listed as inadmissible on the list that refers to post-september manufactured vehicles.
The person at RIV said that if customs gives me a hard time, I should tell them to call RIV. It's still such an arbitrary dirty trick, but at least now I have it in black and white as to exactly where it says that my Sienna will be admissible.
Can anyone give me an informative answer to this question. We bought a 2008 Corolla (pre Sept.01) and have been told to get it out of the Country. Many comments on this site say that if it is a pre sept.01 vehicle then their is no problem based on Transport Canada website BUT my understanding is if it says no 2008 blah blah blah on the RIV site then they means no 2008's. Like I ask, does anyone have the true and honest facts on this or is this just hypothetical talk?
With the Euro exchange rate being very high against the US dollar I have been looking to buy a European made car from the US. Does anyone know about the exporting procedure or what I need to look out for?
I am interested in purchasing a Honda Element and don't want to pay the extra 9k I would have to here in montreal. Does anyone know a dealership in NY or VT that would sell one to me?
Can US dealers provide installation of daytime running lights?
I'm living in BC as well and am planning to buy a 2008 Highlander from US. Would appreciate if you could share your experience, dealer contact/phone numbers and checklist with me. My email address is frankiechia@shaw.ca
Ok Here is the glitch....and if you phone the RIV asking the proper questions gets you the proper answer. There is a sticker inside the driver side door that states the date of Manufacturing. If that sticker has a date before September 1,2007 it is admissible into Canada the only modifications needed are the day time running lights. If it is after the september 1,2007 date it is not admissible into Canada and you will have to export it out etc.....if you have any other questions please let me know.
I see Honda is blocking US sales to Canadians by refusing to honor warranty and creating border problems with minor mechanical irritations. I'm interested in the Acura MDX. Has anyone brought one in from the US, and if so, where is there a friendly US seller? Bob
Would you really want to buy & import one knowing that you might end up with a warranty that's not honored? Just curious.
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The personal opinions of some are that saving $10-12,000 can cover a lot of warranty items. Also, some of us just don’t like the fact that we’re getting sodomized by our Canadian market.
There are also aftermarket, third party warranty providers that can offer warranty coverage for approx $3000. A deductible is typically paid per claim.
Serge, if you want to sell it, try contacting Elseworth at Moore Quality Cars in Saint-Albans, VT at 802-527-0551. I spoke with him about your situation and if you like, he can send drivers to pick it up in Massena and then sell it on consignment to a US buyer.
HI yes I have a question for you. And I haven't received the same answer twice from the Authorities. My car is a 2008 Prius brand new - the lable inside the door clearly says aug 07. They say I can't bring it in? Yes or No
thanks for the tip. I'll wait a few weeks and see how these looters (Toyota - Honda) handle the mess they are creating. I wonder how much I would lose on my purchase - I paid MSRP less about $600. But I have a Ext. Warranty 7yrs-100,000 also. But I am ready to park it in the states for a few months - I will start to get nervous in Feb-Mar - my loss cannot be worse that my stock market loss this year..
Non Tariff import barriers are as old as the hills. CMVSS114 the Canadian Motor Vehicle Standard dealing with theft deterrence and immobilization is the latest in a long line of Govt. Regs. being exploited by Manufacturers and Dealers. CMVSS114 (latest iteration) was concocted in 2003. After extensive consultation the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers Association (CVMA), individual manufacturers, Insurance Bureau of canada (IBC), Insurance Company of British Columbia and other industry groups it came into effect Sept. 01 2007. What is most interesting is that the cost to the manufacturers to put it in each car was estimated to be $32. Equally interesting is that the European and American FMVSS114 standards were accepted up until Sept. 2007 at which time the United Nations ECE standard replaced CMVSS114 which had been in effect up to that time. It should be noted that IBC and ICBC were supportive of a home grown after market solution or the system used by US manufacturers in high theft vehicles. All this is not cast in stone, what the politicians/bureaucrats write can be rewritten. It is not difficult for Lawrence Cannon the Minister of Transport to instruct his bureaucrats to rewrite CMVSS114 to accept European, US (FMVSS114), and IBC/ICBC standards. We have a land border with a country that makes up 90% of the NA market, it does not make sense to have Acts/Regs. that do not take economic and geographic reality into account. The bottom line is that Canada has a regulation that is adding $4,000 to $40,000 to the cost of a car for the Canadian buyers. This regulation was not supported by the manufacturers or the insurance industry when it was being formulated in 2003-2004. The manufacturers have found it to be very useful in the past couple of years. This abomination has to be amended and it is not a long drawn out process to get Privy Council to issue and amendment. Lawrence Cannon the Minister of Transport is personally responsible for presenting his recommendations and documentation to Privy Council. Privy Council is a subset of Cabinet, after Cannon shifts the burden to Privy Council you can then find Flaherty and Harper responsible for adding $4,000 to $40,000 to the cost of your car. A $32 mod adds $4,000 to $40000 to the cost of a car, Alice in Wonderland is alive and well, living in Canadian Govt. Regulations. It is of little use to complain to bureaucrats in RIV or Transport Canada they are following directions from their political masters. When CMVSS114 is amended the manufacturers will come up with another non tariff barrier to trade, this is the nature of the beast and only Govt. is in a position to deal with it.
This is quite interesting but the Prius that was manufactured before Sept. is still inadmissible - it is pure trade barriers in a misguided attempt to keep the profits high - but I think it is the Japan profits and not the US/Can profits. And it is Honda & Toyota ( not Hyundai, Nissan, BMW etc.) History will repeat itself. Toyota is the world leader and they will slowly become the losers with this attitude. Why would all the other car companies have their vehicles admissible? Why would SUV's be treated more favorably? :mad:
has anybody imported a nissan 2008 model frontier truck from states that was manufactured after sept.1/07 and have problems with riv i was thinking of importing but i cannot get a letter from the manufactor stating that this truck conforms to be exported(eg the immobiliser conforms to canadian standards) thats what riv ca told me to do when i phoned and asked.
I guess that Toyota Canada has not informed Transport Canada that Prius 2008 meets the old CMVSS114 or FMVSS114 in force during Aug. 2007. What Transport can do is question the validity of the documentation provided to cover the 2008 Prius imported by the manufacturer, then they can deny Toyota the right to import Prius, Corolla and Matrix. That would take guts which is in short supply in Canada's new Govt. Not alone are Toyota treating Canadian consumers with contempt they are also showing up the powerlessness of the Canadian Govt.. Corolla is made in Canada, this gets murkier by the minute. In any case the politicians have the solution, it is up to us to motivate them. I saw a reply on Red Flag Deals (Automotive Hot deals) from the Canadian Competion Bureau that was quite simply disgusting. The disregard for tax paying citizens is astounding. I sympathize with your plight. Did you know that under the MVSA (Motor Vehicle Safety Act) manufacturers have 2 to 3 years to bring their non conforming imports into compliance.
I am going to buy a 2008 Toyota Highlander this weekend and drive it into Canada. It was manufactured in Aug-07. I have called the RIV and it sounds like it should be fine (the Aug-07 is very key). I'll update my post when i return, hopefully with a new Highlander...
I am very interested to see how this turns out for you. I am the owner of Carsourcecanada.com. We have just found out on friday that General Motors has made all 2008 GM products inadmissable into Canada. Up until then we were importing all 2008 vehicles with no problem. General Motors has told transport Canada that all of a sudden there vehicles do not comply with Canadian Standards. To me it seems like GM is trying to protect there pricing in Canada. I understand why they would want to but what I don't understand is Transport Canada helping them. Transport Canada's only action in this industry should be to address and inforce Canadian safety standards and regulations. It is not the consumers fault that General Motors is losing money everyday. The North American Free Trade Agreement was set up to make it easy for U.S, Canadian and Mexican residents to trade freely with each other. This is somewhat true but there are still way too many hoops to jump through making it tough to trade freely with the U.S and Mexico.
If transport Canada is going to list a vehicle as being inadmissable they should have to post why the vehicle is inadmissable. They should also list if the vehicle could be modified to meet Canadian standards to make it admissable.
It appears more and more like all the manufacturers have put their heads together and came up with this loophole to keep Canadian prices high. How this is not in violation of anti-trust laws is beyond me! This is just a form of price-fixing!! :confuse: :mad:
Your business is affected by this nonsense, maybe another reason to sue them. There's a lot of autobrokers that will be affected by this. Might be the best time for class-action. Or probably sue TC and RIV also..just an idea.
HOw is your deal going on?. I do like to know where are you with your deal? I will appreciate if you reply me on my personal email " wrajinder@hotmail.com".
I can't believe that GM and Toyota and probably all the other manufacturers are alienating their customers like this! I had full intentions of going to the US and picking up a Toyota in the near future. Am I still going to buy a Toyota now? No. I simply can't afford one in Canada, plain and simple. I know MANY others who are in the same situation. Will I wait and save to buy a Toyota in Canada? No. I will wait until the dust settles, see which manufacturer will still allow their vehicles to be imported, and I'll buy that. Thank god we have many choices of brands in the car and truck market! Toyota and the other manufacturers are really just throwing potential customers out the window! Are the manufacturers making that much profit off of the artificially high auto prices in Canada that they have to go to these lengths to protect it?
In all honestly, this has pissed me off so much I'm making it a goal of mine to educate as much of the Canadian public as possible on how much Toyota and others are ripping people off in Canada. Who's with me?
Nice, good to see you didn't cave and buy in Canada.
1. Get a PO box in a border town for $100 for a year, and voula! You are can buy in the US. You do not need to tell them you are Candian, Afganhi or other. Just go get it and ask for the the MSO>
I am going to continue e-mailing my MP, Minister Canon, Flaherty etc. I will be annoying I suppose but they are ignoring us here. Finally I will later this week call our small local newspaper. I always thought that the companies, politicians etc. don't like newspapers and maybe we can go that way. Anybody in in calling your local paper and explaining what the big multi-nationals are doing to stop free trade. This has nothing to do with safety and seurity of Canadians, it has to do with profits and money.
Next we need to send out something to the APA and the press.
Here is a write up of what has to be done by Mr. Cannon and Mr. Harper over the course of the next few weeks. Already over 1 million people have visited the web site and clearly understand what Transportation Canada is up to . Please provide me with a special exemption or at least have someone from transportation put down in writing to the me and the public that Honda America states that the Honda Civic 2008 does not meet Canadian Standard Specification CMVS 114 and that there is no work around. The car cannot be altered. (which we all know is a lie)
I am fully prepared to return the car but I do not want to see it back in the country in 3 years when the American leases run out and they start dumping the cars into Canada.
Again, thank you for your time in this urgent matter.
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CMVSS 114 (latest iteration) was concocted in 2003. After extensive consultation with Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers Association (CVMA), individual manufacturers, Insurance Bureau of Canada, Insurance Company of British Columbia and other industry groups it came into effect Sept. 01 2007. What is most interesting is that the cost to the manufacturers to put it in each vehicle was estimated to be $32. Equally interesting is that the European and FMVSS 114 USA were accepted up until Sept 2007 at which time the United Nations ECE standard replaced the CMVSS 114 that existed up to that time. It should be emphasized that the ICB and ICBC were supportive of a home grown after market solution or the system used by US manufacturers in high theft vehicles. All this is not cast in stone, what the politicians/bureaucrats write can be rewritten. It is not difficult for Lawrence Cannon to instruct his bureaucrats to rewrite CMVSS 114 to accept European, US and ICB/ICBC standards. We have a land border with a country that constitutes 90% of the NA market it does not make sense to have Acts/Regulations that do not take economic and geographic reality into account. The bottom line here is that Canada has a regulation that adds $4,000 to $40,000 to the cost of a car for the Canadian buyers. This regulation was not supported by the manufacturers or the insurance industry in 2003-2004 when it was formulated. Mind you it became very useful to the manufacturers and dealers over the past two years. This abomination has to be amended and it is not a long drawn out process to get Privy Council to issue the amendment. Lawrence Cannon is personally responsible for presenting his recommendations and supporting documentation to Privy Council. Privy Council is a subset of parliament, after Cannon shifts the burden to privy Council you can then find Flaherty and Harper responsible for adding $4,000 to $40,000 to the cost of your car. A $32 mod adds $4,00 to $40,00 to the cost of a car, Alice in Wonderland alive and well, living in Canadian Govt regulations.
More Background Info:
J.C., thank-you for you phone call on October 30th, in response to my e-mail. Since your response I have been working hard all week to convince the powers to be that the Honda Civic I purchased on October 2nd, 2007 should be admissible into Canada.
I just got off the phone today Saturday November 4th, 2007 at 4:40 P.M. I was informed by an RIV agent that since my car was just put on the “inadmissible list” on October 26th, but that since I bought the car on October 2nd,, that I would need a letter of “admissibility” or exemption” from Transportation Canada. I could call them at 1-800-333-0371.
The agent at the RIV led me to believe that exemptions were being given out. This was because of the late implementation of the immobilizer law of September 1st, 2007. It appears several of the Canadian and American manufacturers and many Canadian Government departments and offices were not informed. The end consumer was not properly informed when making a buying decision. I suspect that, with the hundreds of “inadmissible” cars that have been imported in September and October that sending them back is going to create a “big” headache for the Government!
Would you please talk to the powers to be and provide me with this letter by Monday November 5th, 2007
If not, would you please ensure that I receive an e-mail indicating I must return the car. This has been going back and forth for too long. My family and I need some peace. This has been very traumatizing to all of us. My wife and I cannot sleep, we are both ill over this nightmare.
While making your decision please put yourself in my position.
More Background:
On October 30th you told me that the manufacturer was the only one that could decide if their car met Canadian Standards.
I called your staff again and they indicated to me that this was a fact, and furthermore the manufacturer did not have to give any reason(S) for their decision. They told me to get a compliance letter from American Honda.
I called American Honda and they told me all their cars met Canadian Safety Standards and that they had sent all of this information to Transport Canada on October 22nd, 2007. When I asked for a letter from them, they insisted that this letter could only be sent to an American citizen that purchased a Honda and was relocating to Canada. They were not authorized to sell to Canadians and somehow I had obtained a grey market car and the warranty would not be respected. So I now have concluded that if an American citizen buys this car they can bring it into the country but not a Canadian.
On account of my persistent questions on the Standards, the next thing I heard was that Honda Canada, Honda USA, Transport Canada and the RIV all got together on a conference call and decided outright that those units that were manufactured in Canada had an extra bit of shielding to ensure their immobilizers met the standard, while the American version did not. They would not or could not provide a kit to add this shielding.
When questioned about adding a 3rd party immobilizer that met standards on top of the “supposed” illegal Honda version – Honda America stated that it would no longer guarantee that the car met Canadian Safety Standards. All the 3rd party manufacturers that I have discussed this with told me that the additional immobilizer would not affect the safety or performance of the car.
This is very bizarre! Why now on November 2, do we have this story? Will it change again next week?
So this will work for an American citizen, but not for a Canadian!
I hear you and would like to believe that Toyota is listening as well! But are they going to do anything about it is the real question??? I would have to say that 90% of the posts on this forum and others deal mainly with Toyota and Honda. What can we say, they both make a great product and everyone knows it! But we in Canada are still a very small drop in the bucket and there is going to have to be a whole lot more Canadians say "NO" to high prices before they cave in and lower their prices. I have personally purchased a pre-owned Tacoma and a pre-owned Tundra out of the U.S. this year. I am not telling you this to brag but to let Toyota Canada (who are undoubtedly following these forums to better educate themselves on loopholes and suspect dealers) that WE IN CANADA WILL FIND A WAY! :P
It is disgusting what is happening here with these Non Tariff Import Barriers.
If you agree, take a minute and contact the Minister and voice your opinion:
The Honourable Lawrence Cannon Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities Tower C - 330 Sparks St. K1A 0N5 Telephone: 613-991-0700 Fax: 613-995-0327 E-mail: mintc@tc.gc.ca or Cannon.L@parl.gc.ca
I specifically asked why they had deemed trucks made after Sept 1, 2007 were not eligible for import into Canada. They said they could/would not give me that information!! It couldn't be because of the CMVSS 114 as it states in Transport Canadas list that "As part of the RIV inspection, the importer will be required to supply documentation to prove that the vehicle came equipped with a factory installed system that complies with CMVSS 114 OR that a recognized aftermarket system that meets the intent of CMVSS 114, has been installed."
This suggests an aftermarket system is okay for this!
Another item the Toyota representative said was that the 2008 models were not eligible for import into Canada YET...
They are putting up a temporary barrier so that a year down the road 2008's will be okay for import (not a new vehicle anymore....)??
All of this adds to Toyota simply deciding NO more imports of new vehicles into Canada. This isn't because of any safety regs or emission regs, its simply Toyota protecting their Canadian dealers!
Can anyone dig up anything on this being against NAFTA or being discriminatory??
I want transport Canada to give me a letter saying the truck I want to import doesn't meet safety standards (or other standards). Seeing as this is probably not true, I doubt I'll see this.
Needless to say, Toyota didn't seem too concerned that I was fuming....
Anyone know if the Nissan trucks are in the same boat?
I'm pissed. Put a deposit on a 2008 Highlander (not sure yet about manufacture date yet), but will likely have to forego it if this cannot be resolved.
can we conclude that, so far, it is mainly only Honda (Acura), Toyota (Lexus), and GM that are putting up non-tariff trade barrier? And most other manufacturers are no problem as long as the model is on the RIV admissibility list? Didn't volvomax (or others) mention that other manufacturers have threaten dealers with repercussions if they sold to Canadians?
You must work for some car dealerships in Canada,and try to desperately defend ripping off business Canadians.PLEASE STOP. I bought a Honda 2007 Odyssey EX-L in Seattle, WA not long ago.After all the costs, I saved almost $12,000 that would be enought to cover 5 years warranty and depreciation of the vehicle.Additionnally, I've already had some offers on the vehicle recently and it might profit me $ 5000.00.
What I said was that selling a car for EXPORT is a violation of the dealerships franchise agreement.
A manufacturer is fully within its rights to penalize a dealership for violating that agreement. It would appear that certain manufacturers are taking this more seriously than others. Right down to refusung to provide documentation for importing a car. Also, it would appear that the Canadian gov't is colluding in this. Since they stand to lose a fair amount of revenue as well. The bottom line in all this is money. Canadians aren't coming to buy cars in the US because of our cheery demeanor. They want to save a loonie or two. At the same time, the Canadian Gov't and the motor companies and dealers in Canada also want money. The rules governing importing a car are always about protecting the local businesses. If you can buy a car in the US,more power to you. If you can't, don't make a federal case over it. The gov't and the motor companies don't care about you as individuals. They are just fighting to protect their bottom line,same as all of you are.
I called RIV today and they strongly suggested to wait a few days as some of the recent changes to the admissibility list are expected to be "corrected" shortly. That would only make sense for vehicles that have been listed inadmissible for no justifiable reason. I will however believe it only when I see it...
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Certain 2008 Toyota Cars and SUV's are on the list as being non-admissible and other's may be admisible if they have the manufactures engine immobilzer system as a standard feature on the vehicle.
My dealer in the States, that still has my 2008 Tacoma Double cab, said I'm fine, as the model I bought has the immoblizer as a standard item. He has refunded other people who have bought Toyota 2008's that are now not compliant though, just in case.
I emailed Toyota Canada and at first they had no info in this regard. Then when I pushed it, they came out with the identical list of 2008 vehicles as listed on Transport Canada's web page, EXCEPT...they some how added in both the Tacoma & Tundra. Hmmmm...I call [non-permissible content removed] on that! Pure evil!
I'm planning on picking the truck up this week, but need to know for sure!
Please send me an e-mail with a sample of your letter if you don't mind. If you want to discuss it privately before hand let me know. I am also on the other thread
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307601&page=528
Up to you. I like your ideas but I know there are a lot of folks on this site that don't want us to succeed.
I have not received anything from RIV. I talked to them today and they told me to tell my case to a supervisor there Monday and plead my case. They had no answer as to why it was not admissible. They did admit it probably had to do with the CMVSS 114. However, they do not have exceptions on the Prius. They said the CMVSS 114 applied to SUV's only, not passenger cars but it does state on the RIV site: "CMVSS 114 - Locking and Immobilization Systems
April 24, 2007
The Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (CMVSS) 114 - Locking and Immobilization Systems, has been amended and, effective September 1, 2007, will require that every Multipurpose passenger vehicle, passenger car, truck, and three wheel vehicle manufactured after September 1, 2007, except for an emergency vehicle, or a vehicle that has a GVWR of 4,536 kg or more, or a walk-in van, be equipped with an immobilization system that meets the requirements specified in the amendment.
Please be advised that if you are planning to import a vehicle manufactured after September 1, 2007, that the vehicle may be affected by this requirement and if an immobilizer that meets CMVSS 114 is not already installed in the vehicle, that an immobilization system will have to be installed. You may also want to verify the cost of such an installation prior to importing a vehicle."
Do you think I have a case in this instance?
Also, my Form 1 states that the car was manufactured on Sept. 07 but the border patrol never went to physically look. It says in my vehicle August 07.
Let me know if you think my case is valid or if there is anything else they can come up with to stop me.
Thanks,
Dean
The person at RIV said that if customs gives me a hard time, I should tell them to call RIV. It's still such an arbitrary dirty trick, but at least now I have it in black and white as to exactly where it says that my Sienna will be admissible.
Can anyone give me an informative answer to this question. We bought a 2008 Corolla (pre Sept.01) and have been told to get it out of the Country. Many comments on this site say that if it is a pre sept.01 vehicle then their is no problem based on Transport Canada website BUT my understanding is if it says no 2008 blah blah blah on the RIV site then they means no 2008's. Like I ask, does anyone have the true and honest facts on this or is this just hypothetical talk?
Thanks for the facts
Can US dealers provide installation of daytime running lights?
Thanks
Jason
I'm living in BC as well and am planning to buy a 2008 Highlander from US. Would appreciate if you could share your experience, dealer contact/phone numbers and checklist with me. My email address is frankiechia@shaw.ca
Thanks
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I'm interested in the Acura MDX. Has anyone brought one in from the US, and if so, where is there a friendly US seller?
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There are also aftermarket, third party warranty providers that can offer warranty coverage for approx $3000. A deductible is typically paid per claim.
If transport Canada is going to list a vehicle as being inadmissable they should have to post why the vehicle is inadmissable. They should also list if the vehicle could be modified to meet Canadian standards to make it admissable.
HOw is your deal going on?. I do like to know where are you with your deal? I will appreciate if you reply me on my personal email " wrajinder@hotmail.com".
In all honestly, this has pissed me off so much I'm making it a goal of mine to educate as much of the Canadian public as possible on how much Toyota and others are ripping people off in Canada. Who's with me?
1. Get a PO box in a border town for $100 for a year, and voula! You are can buy in the US. You do not need to tell them you are Candian, Afganhi or other. Just go get it and ask for the the MSO>
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Next we need to send out something to the APA and the press.
Here is a write up of what has to be done by Mr. Cannon and Mr. Harper over the course of the next few weeks. Already over 1 million people have visited the web site and clearly understand what Transportation Canada is up to .
Please provide me with a special exemption or at least have someone from transportation put down in writing to the me and the public that Honda America states that the Honda Civic 2008 does not meet Canadian Standard Specification CMVS 114 and that there is no work around. The car cannot be altered. (which we all know is a lie)
I am fully prepared to return the car but I do not want to see it back in the country in 3 years when the American leases run out and they start dumping the cars into Canada.
Again, thank you for your time in this urgent matter.
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CMVSS 114 (latest iteration) was concocted in 2003. After extensive consultation with Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers Association (CVMA), individual manufacturers, Insurance Bureau of Canada, Insurance Company of British Columbia and other industry groups it came into effect Sept. 01 2007. What is most interesting is that the cost to the manufacturers to put it in each vehicle was estimated to be $32. Equally interesting is that the European and FMVSS 114 USA were accepted up until Sept 2007 at which time the United Nations ECE standard replaced the CMVSS 114 that existed up to that time. It should be emphasized that the ICB and ICBC were supportive of a home grown after market solution or the system used by US manufacturers in high theft vehicles. All this is not cast in stone, what the politicians/bureaucrats write can be rewritten. It is not difficult for Lawrence Cannon to instruct his bureaucrats to rewrite CMVSS 114 to accept European, US and ICB/ICBC standards. We have a land border with a country that constitutes 90% of the NA market it does not make sense to have Acts/Regulations that do not take economic and geographic reality into account. The bottom line here is that Canada has a regulation that adds $4,000 to $40,000 to the cost of a car for the Canadian buyers. This regulation was not supported by the manufacturers or the insurance industry in 2003-2004 when it was formulated. Mind you it became very useful to the manufacturers and dealers over the past two years. This abomination has to be amended and it is not a long drawn out process to get Privy Council to issue the amendment. Lawrence Cannon is personally responsible for presenting his recommendations and supporting documentation to Privy Council. Privy Council is a subset of parliament, after Cannon shifts the burden to privy Council you can then find Flaherty and Harper responsible for adding $4,000 to $40,000 to the cost of your car. A $32 mod adds $4,00 to $40,00 to the cost of a car, Alice in Wonderland alive and well, living in Canadian Govt regulations.
More Background Info:
J.C., thank-you for you phone call on October 30th, in response to my e-mail. Since your response I have been working hard all week to convince the powers to be that the Honda Civic I purchased on October 2nd, 2007 should be admissible into Canada.
I just got off the phone today Saturday November 4th, 2007 at 4:40 P.M. I was informed by an RIV agent that since my car was just put on the “inadmissible list” on October 26th, but that since I bought the car on October 2nd,, that I would need a letter of “admissibility” or exemption” from Transportation Canada. I could call them at 1-800-333-0371.
The agent at the RIV led me to believe that exemptions were being given out. This was because of the late implementation of the immobilizer law of September 1st, 2007. It appears several of the Canadian and American manufacturers and many Canadian Government departments and offices were not informed. The end consumer was not properly informed when making a buying decision. I suspect that, with the hundreds of “inadmissible” cars that have been imported in September and October that sending them back is going to create a “big” headache for the Government!
Would you please talk to the powers to be and provide me with this letter by Monday November 5th, 2007
If not, would you please ensure that I receive an e-mail indicating I must return the car. This has been going back and forth for too long. My family and I need some peace. This has been very traumatizing to all of us. My wife and I cannot sleep, we are both ill over this nightmare.
While making your decision please put yourself in my position.
More Background:
On October 30th you told me that the manufacturer was the only one that could decide if their car met Canadian Standards.
I called your staff again and they indicated to me that this was a fact, and furthermore the manufacturer did not have to give any reason(S) for their decision. They told me to get a compliance letter from American Honda.
I called American Honda and they told me all their cars met Canadian Safety Standards and that they had sent all of this information to Transport Canada on October 22nd, 2007. When I asked for a letter from them, they insisted that this letter could only be sent to an American citizen that purchased a Honda and was relocating to Canada. They were not authorized to sell to Canadians and somehow I had obtained a grey market car and the warranty would not be respected. So I now have concluded that if an American citizen buys this car they can bring it into the country but not a Canadian.
On account of my persistent questions on the Standards, the next thing I heard was that Honda Canada, Honda USA, Transport Canada and the RIV all got together on a conference call and decided outright that those units that were manufactured in Canada had an extra bit of shielding to ensure their immobilizers met the standard, while the American version did not. They would not or could not provide a kit to add this shielding.
When questioned about adding a 3rd party immobilizer that met standards on top of the “supposed” illegal Honda version – Honda America stated that it would no longer guarantee that the car met Canadian Safety Standards. All the 3rd party manufacturers that I have discussed this with told me that the additional immobilizer would not affect the safety or performance of the car.
This is very bizarre! Why now on November 2, do we have this story? Will it change again next week?
So this will work for an American citizen, but not for a Canadian!
If you agree, take a minute and contact the Minister and voice your opinion:
The Honourable Lawrence Cannon
Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities
Tower C - 330 Sparks St.
K1A 0N5
Telephone: 613-991-0700
Fax: 613-995-0327
E-mail:
mintc@tc.gc.ca
or
Cannon.L@parl.gc.ca
I specifically asked why they had deemed trucks made after Sept 1, 2007 were not eligible for import into Canada. They said they could/would not give me that information!! It couldn't be because of the CMVSS 114 as it states in Transport Canadas list that "As part of the RIV inspection, the importer will be required to supply documentation to prove that the vehicle came equipped with a factory installed system that complies with CMVSS 114 OR that a recognized aftermarket system that meets the intent of CMVSS 114, has been installed."
This suggests an aftermarket system is okay for this!
Another item the Toyota representative said was that the 2008 models were not eligible for import into Canada YET...
They are putting up a temporary barrier so that a year down the road 2008's will be okay for import (not a new vehicle anymore....)??
All of this adds to Toyota simply deciding NO more imports of new vehicles into Canada. This isn't because of any safety regs or emission regs, its simply Toyota protecting their Canadian dealers!
Can anyone dig up anything on this being against NAFTA or being discriminatory??
I want transport Canada to give me a letter saying the truck I want to import doesn't meet safety standards (or other standards). Seeing as this is probably not true, I doubt I'll see this.
Needless to say, Toyota didn't seem too concerned that I was fuming....
Anyone know if the Nissan trucks are in the same boat?
http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071025.wbmw_discussion1025- - /BNStory/Business/home
http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071104.whonda1104/BNStory/- - Business/home
... so i guess i will wait for the $10,000 cash rebate on my Odyssey. ahaha.
You must work for some car dealerships in Canada,and try to desperately defend ripping off business Canadians.PLEASE STOP.
I bought a Honda 2007 Odyssey EX-L in Seattle, WA not long ago.After all the costs, I saved almost $12,000 that would be enought to cover 5 years warranty and depreciation of the vehicle.Additionnally, I've already had some offers on the vehicle recently and it might profit me $ 5000.00.
Those will make you awake.
A manufacturer is fully within its rights to penalize a dealership for violating that agreement.
It would appear that certain manufacturers are taking this more seriously than others. Right down to refusung to provide documentation for importing a car.
Also, it would appear that the Canadian gov't is colluding in this.
Since they stand to lose a fair amount of revenue as well.
The bottom line in all this is money.
Canadians aren't coming to buy cars in the US because of our cheery demeanor.
They want to save a loonie or two.
At the same time, the Canadian Gov't and the motor companies and dealers in Canada also want money.
The rules governing importing a car are always about protecting the local businesses.
If you can buy a car in the US,more power to you.
If you can't, don't make a federal case over it.
The gov't and the motor companies don't care about you as individuals. They are just fighting to protect their bottom line,same as all of you are.
netdog