One of your previous posts says Tundras are "girl" trucks. Maybe so, but when "Iron Man" Ivan wins as many Baja's with Toyota and he drives a Tundra for a personal vehicle I'd say its a "man's" truck too. Please let this forum know how many Baja's you've won so we can relate your knowledge level. BTW, I liked the Silverado, but the comparable Tundra was cheaper, so the pocketbook won out. Either truck is great!
I could have sworn that this topic list was - Chevy Silverado IV. If everybody is simply interested in bashing the competition, maybe we need a "Mine is Better than Yours" thread. I am still trying to find out if the 4 door Silverado is in production yet, and am not particularily interested on how a Tundra sits on its frame.
Wish I could help you, but I only know what the local dealer told me about a month ago and that is the 4 doors won't be out until around the first of the year - about the same time as the new Tahoes and Subbies. I couldn't wait that long.
I don't know where you found your Tundra for such a "great" price. Every one I looked at cost, on average, $3k more than a comparably equipped Silverado.
My '99 LT Ext. Cab 4X4 seems to have an especially conservative meaning of low fuel. The light pops on on the message center, and mimimimally there seems to be 8 gallons of gas to go. Driving around for two days after the light has been on steady, I have yet to squeeze more than 22 gallons into the thing...and these supoosedly have 26 gallon tanks. Anyone else had this problem and have the dealer re-calibrate it to the fuel bobber?
The ride is one of the reasons I ordered the long bed. The other is, well, I just think that the short bed with the xcab looks stubby. The xcab/long bed combo is well proportioned. Of course, it will be a little harder to park, but I live out in the country in the big state of Texas (plenty of turning room).
I was able to find 5 of these rarities on lots and every one was already sold. It amazes me that the reason they give for not producing many of them is that there is little demand (except for fleet and then mostly in the 2500/3500 size). Yet every one that I was able to locate was already sold.
My dealer told me that the 1500 xcab long beds that come in for trade, resell for substantially more than a short bed because they are so rare.
I bought a 99 LT 1500 Ext. Cab Short Bed in July and now have sold it for a $3,000 loss. I consider it the best move I've ever made. Why? Because my truck had so many problems, I was spending my life in the dealership waiting rooms watching daytime tv. Time is something I don't have a lot of.
Here is a rundown of my problems:
1. Check engine light came on at 200 miles. 2. Passenger side power seat controls were not screwed into their socket and didn't work from day 1. 3. Numerous rattles througout the cabin. Mainly in the dash. Of course the dealers solution was to pound on the top of the dash as we were test driving the vehicle. 4. Both speakers vibrate when you turn the bass anywhere past neutral. Dealer says they can't fix because it is the door panels vibrating and not the speakers. Says all silverados do this. 5. Truck pulled hard to the right from day 1. After 4 trips to the dealer, it still pulls right though not as bad. 6. A clunking noise from the transmission or rear end when you shift from park to reverse or drive. Also clunks when shifting gears at certain rpm's. Of course dealer says it doesn't do that for them. 7. Passenger seat shakes and vibrates when noone is sitting the seat. dealer says that is normal. it's a beautiful irritating vibration as you drive down the road. 8. The rear bumper metal is so thin that when I accidently backed into my brother's Nissan rear bumper at about 2 miles per hour, there is a nice big dent. I realize this is my fault, but the Nissan wasn't damaged at all. When I felt the thickness of the steel, it was paper thin. The Nissan had a much thicker bumper. Of course, the dealer wants $465 to replace.
The new Silverados are pure junk in my opinion. Cheap plastic everywhere and very thin sheet metal. Edmund's review says 'sketchy build quality'. I think that is a compliment. It is the poorest quality vehicle I've ever owned. The Canadien workers obviously don't give a damn about quality.
Why did I buy the silverado in the first place? Because it looks great on paper. Autotrac, nice looks, and a nice ride when test driving. After you own one, you will be sorry. If anyone appreciates quality in their vehicles, they will be sorely disappointed. If you don't mind low quality materials and lower quality build construction, then this truck is for you.
Congratulations! Guess that's why you like Chevy over Ford. The 4.7 DOHC is used in his truck (race prepped of course). Engineering is why they race and I doubt he would have been with them so long if they weren't committed to winning. That engineering carries over to the product lines. I'm waiting for the new Avalon to enter the Busch series in 2001. Should be fun.
mtrammell: My experience was the opposite. 4.8 LS 2wd to v8 SR5 was about 3k difference (27,6xx for Chevy to 24,8xx for Tundra). MSRP prices. 4x4s were even bigger difference (27xxx to 31xxx). I gave up the power seat and locking diff but got a 4th door. Just my experience here in VA. Had they been price equal I probably would have gone with the Silverado, I especially liked the stepside box.
Go back to ford or toyota or wherever else you came from. We don't need your excessive whining here. Its fine to relay information that you got a bad pick of the lot (it happens with every make and model), but thats the luck of the draw. 99% of the new silverado's are excellent. We don't need your commentary about being the worst truck on the road. All of us know thats BS. I'm sure your dealership could have worked something out with you if it was really that bad (ie. lemon law, replace it with a new one). Also, the Canadian (learn how to spell) GM factories have higher quality ratings than most of the US ones right now.
My low fuel light comes on very early as well. I can almost go another 100 miles on the remaining fuel. I run the tank down until the indicator gauge is at the red e mark. Even by doing this, the most I have ever put in the tank is 23 gals. There is supposedly 3 more gals available to go another fifty miles, but who wants to risk it? Not me!
My low fuel light comes on when there is about 5 gallons left in the tank. The fuel gauge is almost on 'E'. The gas gauge sender is certainly not linear. It takes many miles to move the gauge from full to half. But once you get passed the half tank mark, the needle moves alot faster.
My '98 K1500 is very similar in the action of the fuel guage. I go from 0 to 300 miles as the tank goes from full to half, but then from 300 to ~460 miles from half to empty (about 2-3 gallons left). The tank is a 25 gallon tank as opposed to the 26 gallon on the new trucks. My wife's '89 Buick LeSabre acts very similar to that as well. It must be a GM thing. -powerisfun
As mentioned by others, my '99 silverado 4x4 fuel idiot light comes on about 100 miles before it should. Annoying, but I live with it. I just know to fuel up at approximately 370 miles on the trip odometer. Other than that (and a lack of the 4th cab door) I love my rig.
Hey jimmy are blazer has that pull to the right has been in 3 times they say its due to the crown of road and wind direction but thats bs it wears ur arm out. I am doing research and gonna figure out on my own actually why it does this im on a mission let me know how bad iot was and details ok? Thanks
For myself I like to believe Chevrolet does not want to build the x-cab long bed 1500 because they can sell more 4x4 with short bed. They have limited their selves to a number of trucks they will produce and dealers are on allocations system.
That makes the x-cab 1500 long bed 'rare'. I believe, also, that Chevrolet has some type of investments with oil companies and insurance companies. Compare the mpg of the 1500 to 2500, then take into consideration the popular 4x4's.
Then look at the price of insurance on a long bed verses a short bed. My annual cost of insurance is $40 more on the year 2000 Silverato over my previous 2 year old (1997) Ford Ranger, x-cab, short bed. The Ranger, according to my insurance agent, is classified as a SUV while the long bed Silverado is a full size pickup!
The wait you need to put up with is well worth it. However, I heard 'through the grapevine' that Chevrolet is getting ready to change over to start the 4-door; plus they are planning a composit bed in the later models of the 2000's. This may present a problem, later, of ordering an x-cab long bed 1500.
Many have posted here about a rattling noise heard inside the door when closed. My 99 4x4 had that problem in both doors. My dealer said that the problem was a part on the power windows motor assempbly inside the door ralttles loose and that it was a known actory defect. The dealer replaced the part with an improved one and solved the problem.
My only complaint about my 99 4x4 is its apparent lack of ground clearance. I'd like to lift it about 4 inches and put 285 BFG tires on it (admittedly to make it more "mean" looking). Will lifting the suspension hurt the truck's overall dependability or structural stability? I plan on driving this truck for 10-15 years and I don't want to do anything to shorten its life or make it more prone to need repair. How aboout just a body lift? I've heard that's much cheaper. Does either method change the feel of its ride? Any thoughts on the issue would be appreciated.
p.s. Toyota truck fans can bite me. What a wussy truck.
Sorry you had such a bad experience with your truck. Things like that happen ocassionally with anything that's mass produced. I work on computers for a living, and when we have a large equipment rollout, 95 out of a 100 pc's have no trouble, 3 or 4 need a little "warranty" tweaking, and there is always that one that is a complete peice of crap. We try to fix it, and if we can't, the manufactuer replaces it. I'm sure if things were that bad with your truck, with all of your service tickets, you would of had no problem putting the lemon law system into action. I think sometimes people buy a truck when they should of bought a car.
I have been to the dealer twice since I purchased my truck in August for some warranty work, the problems were all corrected. I am satisfied, no, VERY satisfied with my Silverado.
Sounds like I have the clunk coming from my leaf springs when running over bumps. The service tech indicated that it's more an annoyance than a mechanical problem. Is that true, or should I have them deal with the noise?
Dad found today the clunk has something to do with the driveshaft take it in the grease something up and its fixed easy as 1 2 3. Hope it helps. It was a minor flaw something is to short or something. Grease fixes it
There is the right way to raise a truck, and the wrong way. The difference up front is $, and in the long run is trouble. Do some research and don't take short cuts and it should be fine.
We had a little rain today so I tested the Autotrac system. Wow, was I impressed. I found some wet leafs in a parking lot and gunned it from a stop in 2wd. No problem getting the wheels to spin, even with the locking rear end. Then switched to Auto and tried the same thing. Absolutely no wheel spin. The truck just shot forward. There was no noticeable lag time, nor any indication that anything was happening in the drive train. It just jumped forward as if the pavement was dry. I'm happy.
GM Four Door Full Size Trucks Reportedly Delayed PUTC has been receiving numerous e-mail messages about delays in the production of the new four door extended cab Sierra and Silverado from GM. GM has reportedly told dealers they are delaying introduction to have enough vehicles in the pipeline to meet the expected high demand.
Production was expected to begin this past October but has now been pushed back until late January or early February.
My '67 Camaro, (as well as my formerly owned '72 Vega, '74 vega, '66 Caprice, '91 S-10, '64 Impala, and all of my family's current and former GM cars) does the same thing as my Silverado: far nore miles get driven in the first half (full to 1/2) of the tank than the end (1/2 to empty). And I drive mine to empty. The second half goes far faster than the first half.
I guess it IS a GM thing.
rs petty:
How many Bajas have I won? How many have YOU won?
I have won many, many races in my essentially-stock '67 Camaro.
Does that count?
And yes, Toyota trucks are "girl" trucks. That's not really an insult, actually, just a fact (or actually a prediction) ... I bet the sales numbers show a far higher number of sales to women for the Tundra than for all other trucks (except other Toyotas). Perhaps combined.
No adult male can even FIT in a Toy Tundra back seat. That's one reason I would never buy one myself.
You REALLY are excited about a Toy Avalon (the fake full-size car that is actually only 3" longer than a Camry) being in a race? What will they pit it against? A Nissan Altima? A Hundai?
I have done a similar experiment with the Autotrac and also very happy with it.
One morning, while coming out of drive way, I inadvertently power steered (no effort in my part) due to a wet road from a sprinkler. I took it as an opportunity and did it again but with Autotrac engaged (little more effort this time): wow - soon as there was hint of power steer (barely noticible - only because I was looking for it), front wheels engaged & the truck drove in the direction pointed.
Mine hits the F mark at 100 miles, 3/4 at 200 miles, 1/2 at 300 miles, 1/4 at 400 miles, E at 500 miles. Low fuel light at 475 miles.
15.5 mpg x 34 gals = 527 miles to empty.
I really like the linearity of the guage. Why 1/5 of the tank is above full I don't understand. I think the Low fuel light is there to worry my wife. As soon as it is on she panics. I just see it as an added feature. Don't need it, but on really long trips it helps to prevent running out.
If the autotrac is as good as many seem to indicate from their own independent testing, when would a driver choose "4 wheel high" over "autotrac?"
PS: Be careful Rwagoner, when you complain that the Avalon is only 3 inches longer than a Camry(post 440), don't forget that the Chevy short bed is "only" 3 inches longer than the Tundra. Many people feel that that those 3 inches are EXTREMELY important. (Not to mention the 3 inches added to the extended cab in 99)
I have read articles about the non-linearity of gas gauges before. Its not just a GM thing. It has more to due with what the customer wants. I think that in the "old" days, it was hard for them to make linear gas gauges, but with all the electronics these days, its no problem to make a linear gauge. But, there was a story about how Cadillac introduced the new Seville a few years back with an electronic gas gauge (it had a series of bars that disappeared as gas level dropped). The new car got much much better gas mileage then the one it replaced, but right after its introduction, they got all these complaints about how the customers were unhappy because they thought their last Seville had gotten better mileage. Turns out that they weren't actually checking their mileage, but where just judging by how fast the gas gauge dropped. Since the new gauge was linear, it dropped alot faster between F and 1/2 then their old cars, but lasted longer between 1/2 and E. GM got so many complaints over this that they just reprogrammed the gauge so that it was non-linear again. All the mileage complaints stopped after that!!!
On another note, in the fuel injection systems, its not good to run the tank real dry. This is because the fuel pump in always running at its max so that the injectors always have the same amount of pressure. Any fuel that is sent up to the engine and not used is sent back to the tank. If there isn't enough fuel to feed the pump at its max capability and keep all the lines full, it can start to "burn up". Thats why the "Empty" light comes on before its really empty. Just FYI.
There was a post recently (sorry to forget who posted it, but it isn't on my browser) about the leaf springs making noise. A while back someone posted info about a TSB for this. There are supposed to be some rubber cushions that the dealers can add to make the noise go away. I haven't noticed it myself, but ask your dealer about the TSB. Good luck.
I heard the same thing about fuel pumps. If the level is too low they will over heat since the fuel actually dissipates the heat. My light comes on with 5 gals left and that is in a 34 gal tank. With no load and the flat terrains of Texas technically I can get over 697 miles out of one tank but I always fill up around 600 miles to save the life of my pump. Remember that pumps are not cheap specially if you want to keep the truck for a long time. I have a standard transmission with 3.48 diff and the 4.8L engine with the 235 tires.
I hate to start this but I did an all the way out comparison between the 2000 Toyota Tundra SR5 4.7L V8 4WD Access Cab and the 2000 SILVERADO 1500 4.8L V8 Base 4WD Extended Cab LB (LB because I like the LB but that actually counted agains the SILVERADO). I used the BASE SILVERADO because that is a closer model to the Tundra. I added everything that could be added straight out of the factory to both trucks to make them as identical as possible. Conclusion the SILVERADO was $1000.00 cheaper and the only thing that I was not able to add to the SILVERADO from factory was mud flaps and a double sun visor. If anyone is interested I can post what the Tundra was missing but that would make my post way too long.
Fuel pumps are cooled and lubed by fuel passing through them, not by being covered by fuel. You can safely go to the end of the tank ... as long as you don't actually run it dry.
The dealer has black rubber boots to fit perfectly over both ends of the lower leaf. Had mine done yesterday. Doesn't make a sound now. Wish I could say the same for my back seat.
The following two sentences came from a Consumer Reports test of full size pickups. Which pickup do you think they preferred? 1. Our V8 (name omitted) capably pulled a 7,000 pound trailer to 60 mph in 25 seconds. 2. It needed 25 seconds to reach 60 mph while pulling a 7,000 pound trailer.
I always figured that CU reporters all drive Camrys and Accords.
A Popular Mechanics editor a few years ago exposed (via e-mail) how bad CU is statistically, often making evaluations based on VERY small numbers of reader reports (as I recall, sometimes as few as 10). I don't trust them at all.
I've got a 98 Silverado k1500 extended cab with 8000 miles on it. Ever since I picked up the truck, acceleration has been very poor! I've brought it to the dealer three times, but they can't find a thing! Has anyone else experienced this problem?
Here's another weird one for you. If my rear tires are up against a solid object like the curb, the power steering stops working ?! Can anyone say lemon?
I'm in the market for a new truck, with two priorities: 1)must be able to haul the family comfortably, 2)must be able to handle a decent camper (9 or 10 ft)
Naturally, 1 brought me to the Chevy Extended 2500 LWB. My question is around 2 - A camper dealer told me he put most of the units he sells onto Fords and Dodges... he said the Chevys were great to drive, but the suspension wasn't up to putting a full-sized camper on it. I started looking on the road and noticed that, sure enough, probably 2/3 of the campers I see on the road are on Fords, the other 1/3 on Dodges. I have seen ONE camper on a Chevy. I've probably checked out over 75 trucks with campers in the past month, and the ratio is pretty solid.
So what I'm looking for is some testimonials from people who know one way or the other.. How do you like your full size camper on your 3/4 ton rig? Is the suspension too soft? Did you get the inflatable air bags on the rear axle? I'm hoping for some positive feedback, since I love this truck in all other respects, but I'm interested in the straight camper poop, so to speak.
I'm in the market for a new truck, with two priorities: 1)must be able to haul the family comfortably, 2)must be able to handle a decent camper (9 or 10 ft)
Naturally, 1 brought me to the Chevy Extended 2500 LWB. My question is around 2 - A camper dealer told me he put most of the units he sells onto Fords and Dodges... he said the Chevys were great to drive, but the suspension wasn't up to putting a full-sized camper on it. I started looking on the road and noticed that, sure enough, probably 2/3 of the campers I see on the road are on Fords, the other 1/3 on Dodges. I have seen ONE camper on a Chevy. I've probably checked out over 75 trucks with campers in the past month, and the ratio is pretty solid.
So what I'm looking for is some testimonials from people who know one way or the other.. How do you like your full size camper on your 3/4 ton rig? Is the suspension too soft? Did you get the inflatable air bags on the rear axle? I'm hoping for some positive feedback, since I love this truck in all other respects, but I'm interested in the straight camper poop, so to speak.
We're debating a new extenda cab, or waiting for the redesigned Tahoe which should be available in a few months. Pricing is a factor but we don't know residual of Tahoe or pricing? I'm concerned the lenght of the Silverado may be too much for every day driving in the city as my wife mainly drives this vehicle. Currently we have a '98 tahoe that we love. Any thoughts on lenghth of the extenda cab for city driving? thanks.
If I have a 34 gal tank that has 5 gallons of fuel. How high would the fuel sit on the tank? Does the fuel tank have any baffles that keeps the fuel from splashing around? On a constant stop and go situation would the pump run dry on every stop and every go? People want to know (Now, with the extra info, I think is what they meant when they told me to keep plenty of fuel surrounding the the fuel pump).
The last time I helped changing a fuel pump was last month on my dad's 170K Ford E250 and that was not pretty or cheap. Especially since we started by transferring 30 gallons of free fuel into my SILVERADO. My dad was not happy when he tasted Fast Track fuel either (hi hi hi).
When you claim the Silverado is cheaper, you are correct. I also priced out a Tundra and a Silverado with identical equipment and found the Silverado had a lower MSRP.
The question is, do you think the Silverado is cheaper? I mean, is it cheap - as in - not as well put together as the Tundra?
I guess that last question is up to every buyer. When my wife and I compared the two trucks on the same day she turned to me and said, "buy the Tundra, it's definately worth a few thousand more than the Silverado." (Her main reason was the driving feel difference - she claimed the Silverado body didn't feel properly connected to the wheels)
By reading owners experiences here, I hope to find out if she is wrong. For example, I really like the locking differential, autotrac and styling on the Silverado. I'm not thrilled with the way it handles, rattles and is finished, however. (Why do the cloth seats have a big chunk of vinyl on them?) On the other hand, why is the rear seat in the Tundra bolt upright? I actually asked a salesman that question and he came back defensively, "what's wrong with that?" He stared at me dumbly when I explained to him that they are just plain uncomfortable bolt upright and that is why the front seats are tilted back.
Anyway, $1000 bucks, one way or another, on a $30,000 vehicle, is not going to sway my choice. I want reliability, driveability, resaleability. If the one I like best costs $1000 more, big deal. If the one I like best costs $1000 less, all the better!
The only thing I know for certain after reading several month's worth of posts, is that the Tundra must be a contender or people would not keep bringing it up in comparison. Sorry for the lengthy post.
My dealer notified me that my 'OO Silverado 4 Door - LS went into production this past Monday 11-15-99, and I should take delivery in 3 - 4 weeks. We will see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Making the bed higher makes more room between the w/w's? Seems the tires are the same distance apart no matter how hi the bed, and if they travel straight up, the required space between them will be the same. Unless they camber out as ther raise? If the tires dont travel all the way up, why have the hump at all? Please make this picture clearer for me...how did Toyota make more room between the wheel wells by putting the bed on spacers? -scott
I cannot say that I test drove a Tundra but I can add that my Silverado rides quite well. I have not experienced any rattles, bad handling or poor finish. In fact I am quite pleased with this truck. I have LS 4x4 with Z71 suspension.
I traded in a Toyota Sienna Van for the truck. The van, dubbed as one of Toyota's finest was a nice vehicle but was incapable of pulling a trailer or carrying builing stuff. You later find out the hard way that a truck is what you need after you build a new house. It was a rare occasion that I needed a vehicle to carry seven passengers. It was more often I needed a vehicle to carry lumber or landscape equipment.
After test driving the truck I realized how it handled much better than the van and was much quieter.
I am quite happy with the truck and believe it was the best choice for what I needed.
Lexmark, I don't have any vinyl on my cloth seats. Where did you see that? And if you want reliability, drive-ability, resale-ability, you are going to get them either way.
Scott, Why the spacers if not to give more clearance between the wheel wells? Certainly can't be for helping you to lift your cargo over that open tailgate. And since the bed rails aren't any higher, you have a more shallow cargo box. What about the high center of gravity? Answer: The reason for the spacers is so you can put a 48" piece of plywood between the wheel wells, to distinguish it from mid size competition.
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I was able to find 5 of these rarities on lots and every one was already sold. It amazes me that the reason they give for not producing many of them is that there is little demand (except for fleet and then mostly in the 2500/3500 size). Yet every one that I was able to locate was already sold.
My dealer told me that the 1500 xcab long beds that come in for trade, resell for substantially more than a short bed because they are so rare.
Still waiting in Texas!!!
The truck Ivan races has nothing in common with any part of any truck toyota sells to us.
And, he drives toyota's cuz he's under contract. Just like all these racers and testimonials about slick 50, prolong,.....
Here is a rundown of my problems:
1. Check engine light came on at 200 miles.
2. Passenger side power seat controls were not screwed into their socket and didn't work from day 1.
3. Numerous rattles througout the cabin. Mainly in the dash. Of course the dealers solution was to pound on the top of the dash as we were test driving the vehicle.
4. Both speakers vibrate when you turn the bass anywhere past neutral. Dealer says they can't fix because it is the door panels vibrating and not the speakers. Says all silverados do this.
5. Truck pulled hard to the right from day 1. After 4 trips to the dealer, it still pulls right though not as bad.
6. A clunking noise from the transmission or rear end when you shift from park to reverse or drive. Also clunks when shifting gears at certain rpm's. Of course dealer says it doesn't do that for them.
7. Passenger seat shakes and vibrates when noone is sitting the seat. dealer says that is normal. it's a beautiful irritating vibration as you drive down the road.
8. The rear bumper metal is so thin that when I accidently backed into my brother's Nissan rear bumper at about 2 miles per hour, there is a nice big dent. I realize this is my fault, but the Nissan wasn't damaged at all. When I felt the thickness of the steel, it was paper thin. The Nissan had a much thicker bumper. Of course, the dealer wants $465 to replace.
The new Silverados are pure junk in my opinion. Cheap plastic everywhere and very thin sheet metal. Edmund's review says 'sketchy build quality'. I think that is a compliment. It is the poorest quality vehicle I've ever owned. The Canadien workers obviously don't give a damn about quality.
Why did I buy the silverado in the first place? Because it looks great on paper. Autotrac, nice looks, and a nice ride when test driving. After you own one, you will be sorry. If anyone appreciates quality in their vehicles, they will be sorely disappointed. If you don't mind low quality materials and lower quality build construction, then this truck is for you.
mtrammell: My experience was the opposite. 4.8 LS 2wd to v8 SR5 was about 3k difference (27,6xx for Chevy to 24,8xx for Tundra). MSRP prices. 4x4s were even bigger difference (27xxx to 31xxx). I gave up the power seat and locking diff but got a 4th door. Just my experience here in VA. Had they been price equal I probably would have gone with the Silverado, I especially liked the stepside box.
Also, the Canadian (learn how to spell) GM factories have higher quality ratings than most of the US ones right now.
My wife's '89 Buick LeSabre acts very similar to that as well. It must be a GM thing.
-powerisfun
RYan
That makes the x-cab 1500 long bed 'rare'. I believe, also, that Chevrolet has some type of investments with oil companies and insurance companies. Compare the mpg of the 1500 to 2500, then take into consideration the popular 4x4's.
Then look at the price of insurance on a long bed verses a short bed. My annual cost of insurance is $40 more on the year 2000 Silverato over my previous 2 year old (1997) Ford Ranger, x-cab, short bed. The Ranger, according to my insurance agent, is classified as a SUV while the long bed Silverado is a full size pickup!
The wait you need to put up with is well worth it. However, I heard 'through the grapevine' that Chevrolet is getting ready to change over to start the 4-door; plus they are planning a composit bed in the later models of the 2000's. This may present a problem, later, of ordering an x-cab long bed 1500.
p.s. Toyota truck fans can bite me. What a wussy truck.
I have been to the dealer twice since I purchased my truck in August for some warranty work, the problems were all corrected. I am satisfied, no, VERY satisfied with my Silverado.
Later,
Bryan
Ryan
GM Four Door Full Size Trucks Reportedly Delayed
PUTC has been receiving numerous e-mail messages about delays in the production of the new four door extended cab Sierra and Silverado from GM. GM has reportedly told dealers they are delaying introduction to have enough vehicles in the pipeline to meet the expected high demand.
Production was expected to begin this past October but has now been pushed back until late January or early February.
I guess it IS a GM thing.
rs petty:
How many Bajas have I won? How many have YOU won?
I have won many, many races in my essentially-stock '67 Camaro.
Does that count?
And yes, Toyota trucks are "girl" trucks. That's not really an insult, actually, just a fact (or actually a prediction) ... I bet the sales numbers show a far higher number of sales to women for the Tundra than for all other trucks (except other Toyotas). Perhaps combined.
No adult male can even FIT in a Toy Tundra back seat. That's one reason I would never buy one myself.
You REALLY are excited about a Toy Avalon (the fake full-size car that is actually only 3" longer than a Camry) being in a race? What will they pit it against? A Nissan Altima? A Hundai?
One morning, while coming out of drive way, I inadvertently power steered (no effort in my part) due to a wet road from a sprinkler. I took it as an opportunity and did it again but with Autotrac engaged (little more effort this time): wow - soon as there was hint of power steer (barely noticible - only because I was looking for it), front wheels engaged & the truck drove in the direction pointed.
Very reassuring experience !!
I hear this a lot from chevy truck owners. I think they just never bother to have the sender replaced. Done free under warranty.
Rick
15.5 mpg x 34 gals = 527 miles to empty.
I really like the linearity of the guage. Why 1/5 of the tank is above full I don't understand. I think the Low fuel light is there to worry my wife. As soon as it is on she panics. I just see it as an added feature. Don't need it, but on really long trips it helps to prevent running out.
Mike
PS: Be careful Rwagoner, when you complain that the Avalon is only 3 inches longer than a Camry(post 440), don't forget that the Chevy short bed is "only" 3 inches longer than the Tundra. Many people feel that that those 3 inches are EXTREMELY important. (Not to mention the 3 inches added to the extended cab in 99)
On another note, in the fuel injection systems, its not good to run the tank real dry. This is because the fuel pump in always running at its max so that the injectors always have the same amount of pressure. Any fuel that is sent up to the engine and not used is sent back to the tank. If there isn't enough fuel to feed the pump at its max capability and keep all the lines full, it can start to "burn up". Thats why the "Empty" light comes on before its really empty. Just FYI.
Richard
1. Our V8 (name omitted) capably pulled a 7,000 pound trailer to 60 mph in 25 seconds.
2. It needed 25 seconds to reach 60 mph while pulling a 7,000 pound trailer.
A Popular Mechanics editor a few years ago exposed (via e-mail) how bad CU is statistically, often making evaluations based on VERY small numbers of reader reports (as I recall, sometimes as few as 10). I don't trust them at all.
Richard
I've got a 98 Silverado k1500 extended cab with 8000 miles on it. Ever since I picked up the truck, acceleration has been very poor! I've brought it to the dealer three times, but they can't find a thing! Has anyone else experienced this problem?
Here's another weird one for you. If my rear tires are up against a solid object like the curb, the power steering stops working ?! Can anyone say lemon?
P
I'm in the market for a new truck, with two priorities:
1)must be able to haul the family comfortably,
2)must be able to handle a decent camper (9 or 10 ft)
Naturally, 1 brought me to the Chevy Extended 2500 LWB. My question is around 2 -
A camper dealer told me he put most of the units he sells onto Fords and Dodges... he said the Chevys were great to drive, but the suspension wasn't up to putting a full-sized camper on it. I started looking on the road and noticed that, sure enough, probably 2/3 of the campers I see on the road are on Fords, the other 1/3 on Dodges. I have seen ONE camper on a Chevy. I've probably checked out over 75 trucks with campers in the past month, and the ratio is pretty solid.
So what I'm looking for is some testimonials from people who know one way or the other.. How do you like your full size camper on your 3/4 ton rig? Is the suspension too soft? Did you get the inflatable air bags on the rear axle? I'm hoping for some positive feedback, since I love this truck in all other respects, but I'm interested in the straight camper poop, so to speak.
I'm in the market for a new truck, with two priorities:
1)must be able to haul the family comfortably,
2)must be able to handle a decent camper (9 or 10 ft)
Naturally, 1 brought me to the Chevy Extended 2500 LWB. My question is around 2 -
A camper dealer told me he put most of the units he sells onto Fords and Dodges... he said the Chevys were great to drive, but the suspension wasn't up to putting a full-sized camper on it. I started looking on the road and noticed that, sure enough, probably 2/3 of the campers I see on the road are on Fords, the other 1/3 on Dodges. I have seen ONE camper on a Chevy. I've probably checked out over 75 trucks with campers in the past month, and the ratio is pretty solid.
So what I'm looking for is some testimonials from people who know one way or the other.. How do you like your full size camper on your 3/4 ton rig? Is the suspension too soft? Did you get the inflatable air bags on the rear axle? I'm hoping for some positive feedback, since I love this truck in all other respects, but I'm interested in the straight camper poop, so to speak.
The last time I helped changing a fuel pump was last month on my dad's 170K Ford E250 and that was not pretty or cheap. Especially since we started by transferring 30 gallons of free fuel into my SILVERADO. My dad was not happy when he tasted Fast Track fuel either (hi hi hi).
The question is, do you think the Silverado is cheaper? I mean, is it cheap - as in - not as well put together as the Tundra?
I guess that last question is up to every buyer. When my wife and I compared the two trucks on the same day she turned to me and said, "buy the Tundra, it's definately worth a few thousand more than the Silverado." (Her main reason was the driving feel difference - she claimed the Silverado body didn't feel properly connected to the wheels)
By reading owners experiences here, I hope to find out if she is wrong. For example, I really like the locking differential, autotrac and styling on the Silverado. I'm not thrilled with the way it handles, rattles and is finished, however. (Why do the cloth seats have a big chunk of vinyl on them?) On the other hand, why is the rear seat in the Tundra bolt upright? I actually asked a salesman that question and he came back defensively, "what's wrong with that?" He stared at me dumbly when I explained to him that they are just plain uncomfortable bolt upright and that is why the front seats are tilted back.
Anyway, $1000 bucks, one way or another, on a $30,000 vehicle, is not going to sway my choice. I want reliability, driveability, resaleability. If the one I like best costs $1000 more, big deal. If the one I like best costs $1000 less, all the better!
The only thing I know for certain after reading several month's worth of posts, is that the Tundra must be a contender or people would not keep bringing it up in comparison. Sorry for the lengthy post.
I traded in a Toyota Sienna Van for the truck. The van, dubbed as one of Toyota's finest was a nice vehicle but was incapable of pulling a trailer or carrying builing stuff. You later find out the hard way that a truck is what you need after you build a new house. It was a rare occasion that I needed a vehicle to carry seven passengers. It was more often I needed a vehicle to carry lumber or landscape equipment.
After test driving the truck I realized how it handled much better than the van and was much quieter.
I am quite happy with the truck and believe it was the best choice for what I needed.
I don't have any vinyl on my cloth seats. Where did you see that? And if you want reliability, drive-ability, resale-ability, you are going to get them either way.
Scott,
Why the spacers if not to give more clearance between the wheel wells? Certainly can't be for helping you to lift your cargo over that open tailgate. And since the bed rails aren't any higher, you have a more shallow cargo box. What about the high center of gravity? Answer: The reason for the spacers is so you can put a 48" piece of plywood between the wheel wells, to distinguish it from mid size competition.
Model: 00 LS Silverado with base split bench seat.
Salesman claims all LS with cloth split bench are done this way to make shoe scuffs easier to clean off.