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Granted, I only drove 3 different ones, we have terrible roads where I live, and there was a moderate cross wind during the testing. I would have been happy to drive one without the minor glitches and my evaluation would have been easier.
I'm sorry you inadvertently bought a van when you actually needed a truck. It can be rather expensive trading a new vehicle soon after you just bought it. Hope your solid truck stays that way as long as you own it. Just to be safe, don't bother driving the Tundra, that could REALLY be expensive. (Just kidding)
Good luck with your Silverado.
I have a '00 Silverado LT Ext.Cab 4WD (4dr.) on order. The Tahoe will cost alot more then the truck. If you do not need the utility of the cargo box, buy the Tahoe.
stainless steel exhaust, side impact bars, fully auto headlamps, pick-up cargo box light, underhood light, a crankdown with built in lock for the spare tire, extra power accessory outlet, a tachometer, oil pressure gauge, volt gauge, compass (I don't know about a compass). Warning indicators such as: water temp (besides a gauge), battery, low oil level, low washer fluid level, low coolant, light on, key in ignition, low fuel, door agar and a true service indicator. Ignition disable, adjustable head rests, dome light delay, tilt adjustment sport steering wheel, auto dimming day/night mirror. I have more cosmetic stuff but I will stop there.
For the truck people the Tundra was missing: Seating capacity of 6. Full folding rear bench seat with adjustable headrests. Pat time 4 wheel drive, auto locking hub control and manual shift. Front independent torsion suspension with anti-roll bar, front torsion springs, front torsion bar, power re-circulating ball steering with vehicle speed-sensing assist, rigid rear axle suspension with rear leaf springs, 4 wheel disc brakes and a locking differential. I have more but I am tired of typing. Maybe the Tundra has some of this stuff but I just could not find it anywhere.
TOYOTA "BETTER" -> quiet cabin
"WORSE" -> no entry class luxury
appointments for $30k
-> Hump in door pull annoying
on left armrest...
CHEVY "BETTER" -> FullTime 4wd;
Awesome Back Seat room
Heated side mirrors and Seat
"WORSE" -> Cheap plastic overhead
compartments....
p.s. I wanted to 'like' the toyota better, but i will live with the cheap plastic compartments in the LT when i buy mine (i will buy when i can get the 4th door for <invoice +$500
-sincerely
I thought the Tundra was "zippier" stoplight to stoplight, but that same quick "car like" feel was also something I disliked. The Silverado is definitely more solid and stable and gives more confidence to protect in a collision. I would not feel as confident in its frame durability or tensile strength.
The Tundra also misses quite a lot of features that are available on my Silverado. The Tundra was about 2k more with less features.
It did have a very smooth and peppy V8, but so does the Silverado. I don't see any reliability advantage over the Silverado either.
No locking diff??? Com'on.
so that it makes you seem that you have power when you spin the tires
haha
what a joke
The salesman called me last Saturday at about 6:00PM to tell me my truck was in, “Come on down and pick it up”. So I hopped in my old Toyota and hustled on down there – about a 45-minute drive.
As we were walking up to the new truck, I noticed it didn’t have a rear sliding window, which I had ordered. When I mentioned it to the salesman, he did a Gomer and followed that with reassurances that the dealership would be able to put in a rear slider. Evidently GM will substitute parts if they don’t have what you ordered in stock . I guess if they run out of V8s you get a V6 – better go count those plugs.
I got in the truck and was enjoying the scenery when I did what had to be a classic double take, “HEY!”, says I, “This things supposed to have buckets! Did GM substitute those too?” The salesman and his manager were doing double Gomers ( a Gomer is not an ice-skating maneuver, it’s a befuddled look followed by a brilliant comment such as “Golly” or “Gee Whiz” and sometimes “Uh”). Turns out they were trying to give me a truck someone else had ordered.
I’ve been assured mine will be in any day now.
Golly!
As soon as I got into the truck and shut the door, it sounded like something was loose. When I drove off an hit some messed up pavement, the door rattle started and so did one in the dash board.
Out of curiosity and to let my wife get to test drive it, I stopped the truck and looked around for something loose. I found four locking lug nuts in the door map panel. The dealer did not have a chance to install them. The glove box also contained the wiring harness for a brake controller that was bouncing around. After placing the lug nuts and the harness on the floor, end of noise.
By the way, the brake harness is a great feature when wiring in your brake controller. I installed my controller within 20 minutes. The hardest part was mounting the controller.
Don't read this if you've already made your new truck choice - but, if you are still trying to decide, please go ahead.
I'm not here to defend the Toyota, but you've painted a fairly inacurate picture:
It does have:
Steel side-impact beams and seatbelt pretensioners
Stainless steel exhaust
Cargo light
etc, etc
No, it does not have recirculating ball steering - it has rack-and-pinion - probably superior.
It has double wishbone suspension up front - is that bad?
You are correct about some missing items like locking diff, auto 4 wheel drive, etc. Why bother to mention a lot of other stuff that you were not sure of - kind of skews the comparison, don't you agree?
The Silverado has a long list of features and options not included on the Tundra. Some of them, like rear window defrost are great, others, like rear disk brakes may not be so great. A mechanic once explained to me that off-road vehicles with disk brakes in the rear usually develop lots of pits from stones, etc.
My comparison of a 4 x 4 LS vs a 4 x 4 Tundra:
Tundra better features:
Smoother V8
Quieter interior
Nicer driving feel - Zippier (Subjective - my favorite advantage)
Better visibility
Longer drive-train warranty
Easier to manouver and park
Locking tailgate
Silverado better features:
Trailer wiring
More HP (285 vs 245)
More Torque (325 vs 315)
More towing capacity (According to GM, anyway)
Tow/Haul (almost my favorite advantage)
Auto-trac 4 X 4 (my favorite advantage)
Better mileage
Locking differential
Locking spare tire
Bigger cab and rear seat
And yes the Silverado MSRP is lower by over $1000
Have I missed any important differences?
This topic is for Silverado buffs. Thank you.
anti-lock brakes
power windows
power locks
power mirrors
radio upgrade
etc, etc, etc.
If you don't add these items to your Tundra (standard on the LS), the list of pros in favour of the LS gets longer and longer.
We'll have to start a topic "Silverado Buffs" for you.
Lots of guys have a strong preference for one or the other; yours is the only opinion that counts.
Mike
I asked this once before a few months ago, but no one answered so let's try again now that some time has passed. Has anyone with a Sierra/Silverado ext-cab Z71 (or any 4x4) had their truck weighed? I'm interested to see how much difference there is between the new trucks and my '98 Sierra Classic (a Z71, ext-cab, towing package, 5.7L, 4sp auto, p265 tires with alloy rims) which weighs 5220 lbs. empty (no people or cargo) with a full tank of gas (25 gal = ~180 lbs.) and an aftermarket hard tonneau cover (~30 lbs.) bringing the actual stock material weight to ~5010 lbs. That's an actual measurement on the scale at our county dump. I know they made the truck lighter, but they also made it bigger (length and width) so I don't know if lighter means relative to C/K's or just lighter in a general materials-used sense. If it's lighter AND bigger AND stronger than the C/K's that is really cool.
-powerisfun
I went into my dealership in person today to see how things were going. I've made many calls before asking about the truck and making sure everything was correct. Well I wanted to see when I could expect to pick up my badass truck. I looked over the options and noticed that everything wasn't correct. They had the 3.42 axle ratio instead of the 3.73 and gave me the regular suspension. They also gave me the 235 blackwall tires .. when I wanted the 255 WOL. I guess they had problems with typing in the correct options... idiots. So i am not accepting it. Instead we have found a truck like I wanted (atleast closer than the one they ordered) 225 miles away. Gonna do a dealer Trade and maybe have it by Mondat..
Tea
Double wishbone is just another variation of the a-arm system (upper and lower control arms). The Japanese companies like to throw the term around to make it sound like they are more advanced than the others when in reality they are not. The basic design dates back a few decades at least.
Richard
Is this normal?
have. Tire squeal in low speed turns and while
parking have noticed a "hesitation/pull" while
turning the wheel, almost like the pump is not
working. Anything like this?
jerky/grabbing by the front wheels similar to being in 4 low. This( at least mine seems to be)
either in the pump or steering mech. Have to go
in to service Monday anyhow. Will advise what they
say.
However, the dealer told me 4dr production units won't show up until March/April timeframe.
Also, I'm reading about production and engineering problems with the 4dr. So, I'm worried they'll be junk for a while.
But, since the 4dr is gonna be such a hot item,
I also think the value of the 3dr trucks will decrease, affecting resale.
Any other opinions on that?
Buy a 3/4
As for the antenna issue....I have one on the right fender
Plywood in a Tundra?.....who cares...
I could probably put a tundra in a silverado!
I tried the autotrak thing on wet leaves and gravel while turning and taking off....works like a champ.....no Locking diff either
Gotta run
- Tim
I got the skins and rails on the truck right now.
Look great
I'll post pics later
Skins were $189.99 at Auto zone....plus 6% tax.
$201.39...no shipping....and they were here 2 days later..
Supposed to get Boards in soon from another "source" of mine.
we will see
- Tim
Good luck.
I guess a fourth door would eliminate me having to move my driver seat forward when putting something into the back real quick, but how much work is there to moving the seat compared to the cost of another door?
I like my 99 3 door just fine.
'tuckyboy summed it up pretty well: it all depends on when you want it!
My concern was getting things in the back quickly and easily from the driver side. I'm pretty sure the driver seat doesn't tilt up with power seats. But if you get the manual seat, does anybody know if it tilts up?
I have had my Silverado on order for months and it is finally coming in this week. The only problem is... that they ordered the wrong gear ratio(3.42) instead of 3.73 like I had asked for. They also ordered the wrong suspension and tires. I wanted the Z-85 heavy duty with 255 WOL but they ordered the standard suspension with the 235 tires.
Everything else is how I wanted. Since they have made these errors I am not obligated to take it. Instead I have located a truck that is closer to what should have been ordered. My salesman is trying to do a dealer trade to get this truck for me but is struggling with the other dealer.
I am debating on whether I should go ahead and accept this truck that they have ordered and cut them down to $100 over invoice(currently getting $250 over) or tell them that I am not going to be happy until they find one closer to what I had ordered. Any Suggestions?
And anyone else who can help, I have a 4 door on order that has been changed to a 3 door. I am thinking about staying with the 3 door to get it sooner and to get a more solid cab. My concern is getting things in and out of the back seat from the driver's door (we ordered the reclining buckets with power). Do the 2000 LS power reclining seats swivel forward for access to the back seat?
Thanks for help,
I know its a lot ...sorry but any posts would help..
~Teaboy~
By the way, I changed out rear end gears on my '94 Z28, reprogrammed the speedo and automatic transmission shift points. It's an avoided hassle if you just start with the right gears, the right tires.
It's a sometimes safe bet they didn't get your order wrong, just found one the right color, most of the options in the distributor network, already built. Personally, I would not take it if it did not have the gear and tire I wanted. It might be wholly satisfactory to a different buyer though.
If I were you, I wouldn't accept that truck. I have in writing (with my order) even the make of tires that I want on my truck.
Now to your question about the axle ratios.
Here is the information that you want.
Ratio-3.42
Pinion teeth 12
Ring Gear teeth 41
Ring gear diameter 8.6"
Ratio-3.73
Pinion teeth 11
Ring Gear teeth 41
Ring gear diameter 8.6"
I hope that helps you.
afs11
Ratio-3.73
-powerisfun
I left for work about 04:00 am, dark of course. The snow depth was about 6 inches, wet and heavy. For fun, on a little side hill, I gassed it. The rear end stepped sideways about 20 degrees, and then the Eaton axle locked. I was still counter-steering into the skid at the time, and when the axle locked, it straightened back out on its own. Pretty cool.
Next, the anti-lock brakes. Good, but not a panacea for a 4500 lb vehicle.
Then the AutoTrac. As reported previously by others, its response to slip is instant, and nearly transparent. Very pleased.
The P265 Wilderness A/Ts were fine too, only hydro-planing after I was going much too fast.
Next the Air bags, Supplemental Restraints.
Only kidding, not used.
Tow/haul mode makes sloughing through wet, heavy snow a real pleasure. It seems perfectly suited for this duty, an even better use than towing or hauling.
Ryan