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Cwirth, Tundra much better than the Silverado? I do believe that the Silverado was "Truck of the year in 1999" and being a former owner of 2 Toyota pickups 89 xcab 4x4 V6 (6yrs) & 95 T100 xcab 2x4 V6 (4yrs) I believe the 99 Silverado is very close to the Tundra. Since Feb 99 (10K miles later) my Silverado has been a excellent truck, it ranks tied for 2nd place of all the trucks I've owned (6 trucks), 1st place 72 Chevy Cheyenne Super 1/2ton short box, 2nd place 89 Toyota & 99 Silverado. After spending two full days of vacation driving both the Tundra and the Silverado they both were great trucks, I wanted the Tundra for the simple reason that all my years of ownership has proven to be almost trouble free. But for me 6' 235 lbs, my wife 6' (can't mention weight), 15 yr old daughter 5'6" and my 6 yr old 4' 5" !!! along with the dog & other junk that goes back there the Tundra was unacceptable. However, for some, the size of the Tundra is more "manageable". My wife liked how the Tundra was easier to navigate through traffic and park easier (she is considering trading in her 98 Lexus GS300 on one). Which is fine with me, like I said, both are great trucks. Funny thing though, she said the Silverado would be the "family vehicle" and hers would be for driving to and from work and used for errands and such.
But after a few more hours have passes since my $2000 ordeal (I should say my wife's beacuse she was the one stranded in the middle of the freeway) my perspecive is stabilizing. I don't care so much about the back seat, it could be a bed of nails for all I care - I just want it to keep on working when my family is trying to get home.
I'm disappointed in GM especially because it seems there appears to be little they are willing to do about these transmissions (how many years have they been out?)- the tech said there is nothing in the replacement unit to prevent *it* from having the same problem.
But for my money I don't believe you can beat the combo of power, utter reliability, nimbleness and parkability you find in the Tundra.
A quote from a friend who owns a Ford F150 "This Ford will do everything . . . but turn corners"
If you want something even bigger check out Peterbuilt.
The T100 works for me!
Now the Silverado is an excellent truck with some great features, the most notable being that back seat area. The size does hurt you when driving it though. I do not feel nimble when in a Silverado. My other concern is that Chevy has been having a myriad of early design problems. This is to be expected and in a few years the Silverado will be what I consider almost as good a truck as the Tundra. I just think they were built to fullfill two totally different needs. The Silverado is more of a workhorse, while the Tundra more the everyday person's vehicle. I have researched both and Toyota simply has a better reputation for overall quality and customer service. GM however is closing the quality and design gap with every year, the problem is they seem to spend more time making new and innovative gadgets and less time building up their abysmal customer service. The fact is Toyota backs there product up with the 5 year 60K powertrain warr. This may be just a token but at least they seem to have more confidence in their quality then their domestic counterparts. We live in a great time. Great vehicles abound for all of us. I mean even Ford Expenditures are selling like hotcakes and who really needs that beast in their garage. Ok actually parked out in their driveway.
I think customer service has improved with Chevrolet, but what other direction did they have to go?
Do any of you Tundra owners ever take pictures with/without modifications (wheels, exhaust, etc), post'm on topic 775, I'd love to see'm.
P.S. Yes mine is there.
One problem I have is that the paint really does seem to chip very easily. I work out of it, so it's not being babied, but just touching it with something hard leaves a large chip mark. I have a couple along the bed rail and one or two on the side, where apparently pebbles have come up from the wheels. The chips are 1/8" or so, much bigger than I'd imagine they would normally be. My '91 Fourunner's paint looked better when I sold it at 95,000 miles than my Tundra's paint looks already. The impression I get is that the paint is more "brittle" than it used to be. Still a great truck, and the paint is still better than my dodge or ford trucks'.
However in the mean time you could check out the spray on bed liners. The ones I have seen look bullet proof and quite thick. I also think you can get the spray to go over the rail.
There is a thread in this Edmunds forum that has some discussions on this type of liner.
Good luck.
Lie you I tried them both and chose the Silverado, but I do believe Toyota will make the changes necessary to win over more consumers.
brucec35, the paint chips have been a problem for my friend here in the NE as well. I think Toyota has the rust problem fixed, as do the big 3, if you look back it was a problems or every manufacture during a certain time period as they looked for lighter steel and worked to get the galvanizing process worked out. I know may a Chevy and Ford that had the same problem.
Lie you I tried them both and chose the Silverado, but I do believe Toyota will make the changes necessary to win over more consumers.
brucec35, the paint chips have been a problem for my friend here in the NE as well. I think Toyota has the rust problem fixed, as do the big 3, if you look back it was a problems or every manufacture during a certain time period as they looked for lighter steel and worked to get the galvanizing process worked out. I know may a Chevy and Ford that had the same problem.
8486 miles to date
Last fill-up: 404.6 miles 22.8 gallons
17.75 MPG
Mixed driving------87 octane.
blinker light on the RS3000 security system. I am having a Vipor Alarm system in my Thundra. I would like to avoid putting a hole in the dash board even if it is small. Any suggestions
lhyama
As to break in periods, look at your owners manual. The suggest keeping speeds under 55 for the first 500 miles. I spoke to our service guys about it and the quote I got was "a monkey could drive that thing and you wont hurt it." They believe that except for the brakes, there is nothing you can do to a new vehicle that will hurt it.
being squirrly on the Tundra. I just put a set of Osram 100/80
watts on mine and WOW! The guy had these and thought that
Osram was out of business now but someone bought them out.
These bulbs are extremely bright and the dark/light line area on
dims is reduced significantly. I'm not sure if the wattage is too
hot for this headlight assembly so any info on this would be
appreciated.
... appears to be a mid-size truck...
... oversize T100 ....
... last years T100 in new clothing ...
... trim appears flimsy ...
... cushy, handling is sacrificed...
... pricey ....
... Toyota has a way to go to appeal to people who are simply used to a more plush and rugged looking American fullsize truck...
Dodge 4 door came in first, Silverado second, tindra at bottom. Good luck on this one now!
Glad to see you've been able to sneak back onto edmunds under a different name. Once again your fussin' and moaning about the Tundra. Your squawking like an old haggard, hillbilly woman that can't get her busted shiv to start up. I hear tell Franklin got fired off the job after you two got caught in that bathroom stall at work. You two best keep that foolin' in your broken down chev on a back road now. Now I'm not trying to offend, just repeating what other shiv owners is saying about you. Good luck on this one now!
As for "flimsy trim", almost every review I've read of the Silverado mentions weather stripping that falls down when you use the passenger door, knobs that pull off in your hand, and worst of all, REAL problems like transmission failures, engine problems, and vibrations they can't find a fix for. Good design, but too big to park easily and still in teething stage.
As for Dodge Trucks, anyone wanna buy my '97 Ram? Now at 44K miles....in the shop three times for tranny, two CD players have failed, the brakes sometimes don't work right(pedal bottoms out) and they won't/can't fix, the paint looks like it's 10 years old despite waxing (my '91 Fourrunner looked new at 95,000 miles), the hood clearcoat is peeling, tranny still oozes fluid, seat fabric is faded, A/C has caused odor in cab.....etc. etc. But hey, it is macho.
I think that truck "review" was a tad biased towards size and crudity. In their eyes, a truck that hauls cargo, hauls [non-permissible content removed], handles well, and rides smoothly just can't be true. They've got to knock it.
Insurance Institute for Highway Safety ratings for 99 models.
Toyota 4runner /good
Mercedes m-class /good
Lexus rx-300 /good
durango /acceptable
explorer /acceptable
land rover /acceptable
shiv blazer /poor
gmc jimmy /poor
nissan pathfinder /poor
oldsmobile bravad /poor
infiniti /poor
motero sport/poor(and rated worst)
Also stated "there was a huge difference between best and worst performers"
Hate the clock position, that needs to be changed. Could have used side view mirror defrosters and rear window defroster.
Other than that, love this truck. Have to continually talk my wife out of using it. Maybe Santa will have to deliver her a truck of her own.
Ho Ho Ho
Its been like that since day one and I have 450 miles on it now.
The dealer says this is ok, don't worry.
What do you think ?
Milwaukee
Oh, yeah, the wife made me get leather because she doesn't like the fuzzy look of the cloth seats. Anyone know why they can't put cloth like what the Tacoma has in it???
On a side note, the port is putting a hitch on it and it is rated at 7200 lbs. Looks cool, as it is hidden up under with only the 2" receiver showing.
Limited Access Cab
4X4
TRD
ABS
Running Boards
Security and Keyless entry
Delux 3-1 Stereo
Captains Chairs
All weather
OTR Bedliner
All in White
Bargined to $2000 less than MSRP with no dealer add-ons. Not great, but not too bad. Will be driving in the East Tennessee area and will keep this board posted on mileage, satisfaction, etc.
Thanks to all for your helpful info!