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In the mean time he said that they offer a replacement filter. Has anyone installed the replacement filter and if so, what are the advantages?
The 2nd dealer had a oak leather Limited with all the options including the TRD pkg. The woodgrain on the dash was a turnoff for me - looked really tacked on and out of place. I'm also not that sure I like the TRD pkg - I like the idea of the better shocks, but the stickers and raised letter tires I could do without. The SR5 looks like a more handsome truck to me.
Otherwise, I liked the Limited fine, but I distinctly thought it was down on power compared to the SR5 model I just drove and it had nearly 300 miles on it (they said it had been driven to their dealership in a trade). The engine seemed noticeably noisier and less crisp. I also thought the gray paint was strange - does anyone see tinges of blue and/or purple in the gray paint? The platinum is even stranger. Why can't they do straight silver and gray paint?
Anyway, despite my reservations, I went ahead and started negotiating on the Limited. The best I could get them to do was about $1500 over straight book invoice (ignoring holdback).
So I'm in a quandry now. I'm tempted to just drop back to the SR5 because they are in plentiful supply, cheaper, and I can cherry pick a really low-miles one off a lot somewhere. I don't have to get the fake wood either. I just wish I could get leather.
I'm also considering a fax strategy to get bids - it took me nearly four hours today to hit these two dealers and I'd like to short-circuit this process. The fact that I have a trade-in which is about the same value as the new truck though, makes it very advantageous for me to do a trade as sales tax is on the difference. Trade-ins are hard without in-person contact.
Any thoughts or advice appreciated.
- Mark
I just responded that i do nothing to achieve the mpg.
It would be nice to get more. I know you cannot have everything in life. LOL
Ive found that you can get the Tundra with distributor installed leather approximately the same price (at Southeast Distributors for FL, GA, etc the dealer cost is 1048). The advantage to this is that on the SR5 you can get leather in either the bench seat or captains chairs configuration, which does not include the somewhat cheesy wood trim (just my opinion, it simply looks "stuck on"). You can also get the same on the limited, again without wood trim (same price). Port installed leather does not include a leather wrapped steering wheel, however.
From my viewpoint, there are only two advantages to getting the limited over an SR5. First, you cannot get the optional in dash 6 disc changer in the SR5. Second, the TRD package in the SR5 has black fender flares, but stay color matched on the limited (I like color matched better). I guess one other advantage is that "limited" sounds more luxurious and may command a slightly higher resale. From all Ive heard though, you wont want to sell it anytime soon.
One thing about the SR5 I like better than the limited is that the optional distributor installed fender flares that are color matched stick out a little less than those that come from the factory on the limited so they look a little better proportioned to the tires.
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So, what type of rear end does the 2-wheel drive Tundra have? Is it a "regular" which will have tire spin on the tire that is on loose footing? Or does it have something like a "limited slip" or "Pos-track"?
I am interested because I plan on towing a boat and taking the truck off road occasionally. I would prefer not to pay for the 4x4 since I will have little use for it. It never snows where I live and I don't go "4-wheeling". I just want to limit my chance of getting stuck, or having spin outs on slick boat ramps.
The Ford F-150 has a "limited-slip" rear differential as an option on the 2-wheel drive truck. I want the option but not the Ford. I don't know what the Chevy or GMC have for limited slip differentials. Don't much care because I don't want to wait 4-5 months for the 4-door version to come out.
To andy 99: I am pretty certain that the 2wd diff is an open one (power to the wheel with least traction). There are no differential options from the factory on either the 2wd or 4wd. I dont understand why Toyota did this. The chevy, ford and dodge all offer some kind of alternative. I am assuming that there will be some aftermarket solution soon.
TOKYO (AP) - Toyota Motor Corp. will create 2,000 jobs as part of an $800 million plan to boost production in North America amid booming sales in world's biggest auto market.
Japan's biggest automaker will increase annual production at its four U.S. factories by 200,000 vehicles, or 16 percent, to 1.45 million, the company said today in a statement.
"The expansion plan reflects (Toyota's) healthy market presence in the upbeat U.S. car market," Toyota said in a statement.
In Indiana, Toyota will double annual production capacity to 300,000 vehicles amid strong sales of its Tundra pick-up truck. The company also anticipates strong demand for its new Sequoia sport-utility vehicle, which is expected to go into production next year.
The maker of Camry sedans - the best-selling car in the United States for the past two years - said it expects its worldwide sales to rise 7 percent in calendar 2000 to a record 5.71 million, up from a forecast of 5.36 million this year. The figure includes sales of cars made by Daihatsu Motor Co., a Toyota subsidiary.
Domestic sales for 2000 are projected to rise 6 percent to 2.33 million vehicles, up from 2.19 million in 1999, the company said.
Overseas production is expected to rise 7 percent to 1.73 million vehicles, in 2000, up from 1.62 million predicted for this year.
Domestic production is seen rising by 6.0 percent, to 4 million vehicles, up from 3.78 million in 1999, Toyota said.
Toyota employs 16,200 workers in North America at factories in Indiana, Kentucky, California and Ontario, Canada.
As for the differential, Toyota only uses open differentials. I have asked Toyota engineers about this and was told Toyota has never found a limited slip rear that will last reliably over 120K miles. Toyota does not consider this to be an acceptable standard and has chosen to keep the open diff. I am not an engineer so I don't know about the validity of that statement but that is the answer I got.
"Motor Trend" magazine and '4x4 Truck of the Year' from "4-Wheel & Off Road" magazine. Sure am glad I decided on the Tundra!
On a slick surface like a boat ramp with only a limited slip you may find yourself doing the sideways crab. I've seen plenty of two wheel drive trucks that required guys to jump on the rear of the truck to get traction. On some of the lakes and in the ocean in CA I've heard from reliable sources of the occasional truck with boat and trailer attached, spinning the rear wheels backwards down the ramp until truck, boat and trailer became a submarine. How heavy is your boat? I've seen a couple of trucks almost do that on a local lake with a lot of algae, making the ramps so slick they're hard to stand on.
Four wheel drives also usually have a stiffer suspension so your rear end will sag and sway less, plus add stability while towing. Four wheel drives also hold their value better and are easier to resell.
On the plus side, you'll get added mpg, less long-term expense and the ability to get out of some low traction situations, at least more than a straight single track rearend (open differential). JMHO.
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clinton2701@aol.com
Has anyone else purchased a dud? I hope all of you have had better luck than I have! If I had to do it all over again I would have kept mt T100 and waited a couple of years for Toyota to get the "Kinks" out of this vehicle! BTW, has anyone else had a problem with there CD player in the Tundra!? Just another problem I guess! All my NEW cd's skip! Geez!
Todd~~~
This really isn't an earth-shattering number of problems on a new car/truck, especially an early prod version of a brand new model. The battery especially is just something that happens - batteries are basically the same in all the different makes and models so it isn't specific to a Tundra or to Toyota.
I'd relax and enjoy your truck - it will probably give you thousands and thousands of trouble-free miles.
- Mark
toy. 2-4mos. for del. Still no word from factory.
After reading post about drop-in liner I called
and asked it to be removed from order. Quest.
is;(1)will spray look ok 5 yrs later
(2) can it ever be removed effectively.(where truck bed looks ok.)
Depends on your definition of OK, the manufacturer, color you get, how much sun it gets, how outrageously rough you get, etc... Mine looked absolutely great after 6 years. I got a RhinoGuard over the rail in Black. After 6 years in the GA sun the black faded ever, ever so slightly. Either that or it was just dirty. There was one or two scuffs in the bed if you knew where to look for them, but that was caused by a V8 engine block that a forklift pushed up into the bed. I also has scuffs on the lip of the tail gate, but that is a long story. I wrote a long post on my experiences with bedliners in the Welcome Toyota Tundra - II topic #822 post #271. Other than that it looked new. I'm sure it would have looked great longer than my paint would have.
"Can it ever be removed effectively.(where truck bed looks ok.)?"
No, never, absolutly not. It is a part of your truck forever. If you totally screwed up the liner beyond belief (and I don't know how you would do this, because I tried) you can get another coat applied and your as good as new.
The I get to Ohio and all of these "Little Things" start to go wrong! Having my truck towed was not minor to me! Quite frankly I was pissed off! I remember thinking, that all of those mean comments I had made about Dodge and Chevy trucks were now coming back to haunt me! Did I get a taste of "Humble Pie" or what!
I do believe that the heater and battery problems were corrected but I still feel uncertain about the truck! I have also decided to change dealerships in which I get my Tundra serviced! Reason being, is that I asked the service advisor to explain what they actually did to my Tundra and he told me that he "Couldn't" and that the cashier would take care of me! HUH??? This is a $30,000 truck and he treated me that way? So long buster! They also lost my wife's 4Runner business!
I know this must sound funny and dumb but I think my truck hates cold weather! Maybe I need a padded cell! Ha! Could my truck be cold natured and run poorer in colder climates? Now, theres a topic of debate!
Happy holidays and look forward to everyone's post in 2000!
Todd~~~
one more quest. ref my (soon to be) 4x4 tundra.
my understanding that toy. has open diff. with
50% going to front and 50% to rear. Therefore,
(1) fr. tire + (1) rear tire with be pulling
equally(all the time) and they will be the ones with least resitance? Confusing but, in all situations will
power be del. 50/50?
Don't get me wrong, the Tundra is a well built truck. It's problem is the lack of space in the rear of the cab. Toyota should have made it a little bit bigger! I looked at the Tundra, F-150, Ram & Silverado.
For my needs the only truck that was right was the Silverado. Had the Tundra been the same size as the Silverado, I may have bought the Toyota.
I'm sure that Tundra owners will be very happy with the truck. I had an 1981 small Toyota 4X4 pickup that was a great truck. If you have a family, the Tundra is very cramped!
Good luck with your truck. If you buy the Tundra Im sure you'll be pleased,but please note that it too has had its share of problems.
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Frankly,I was miffed that the Silveroddo was considered at all since they are all falling apart (literally) on the road. I sounds like you spend a lot of time in the back seat of yours since it is such an important feature to you.
Since you obviously know more about trucks than Motor Trend you should complain to them about why they picked a Real Truck with a little smaller back seat vs. one that catches fire, goes through a transmission in 3 months, has doors and hitches falling off, and rattles so loud that you cant't hear the cheap delco radio! And now I hear that welds are breaking on the frame along with bad starters. Yeah, that should be truck of the year, dream on. After only one year of production you guy's are already playing catch up.
Was it Isuzu that GM partnered up with recently so they could finally learn how to build a 4X4 that doesn't fall apart?
Another thing you have to realize is that Toyota sells 1/5th of the amount of trucks as the domestics, so it is only obvious that there will be more complaints from domestic owners. Thats law of proportions.
I don't intend on starting a brand war here, but I had to comment on your post. I think your post contains a lot of reaching and very little facts. What Silverados have caught on fire?
I agree that there is a lot of uncalled for bashing of the Tundra and I don't agree with the negative comments made about the Tundra. The fact is that it all comes down to preference of what you want. The Tundra is just as prone to the same problems as the domestics, no more, no less. All the trucks have their own quirky problems to deal with. Like I said, read ALL the Tundra posts and you will see that the Tundra is no more free of defects than any of the big three domestics.
My .05 worth.
I think you should go back to school & learn to read! I only stated MY opinion. I never said that I know more then the Motor Trend people.
I agree with the statements of the bud light dude.
Did you eat to much X-mas turkey? Are you blowning some extra gas, before it goes to your brain?
Let me mention this one more time for you, since you seem to have a problem reading. I think that the quality of the Tundra is VERY GOOD! As far as the back seat, well there is much more room in the back seat in the Silverado. It's important for me, with kids & dogs.
I'm sure that you will enjoy your truck, but you should learn to respect others opinions even if it's not what you believe.
P.S. It is not falling apart, wind noise, or shaking/rattling, it has had a few minor repairs (leaky PS pump, resume not working on cruise and a blown passenger side speaker) all since Feb 99.
Bluebeast - Not everybody has a dog and kids. Besides, if I did, I sure as heck wouldn't subject them to riding in the backseat of ANY pickup. I'd buy something that was designed to carry passengers, not cargo. Of course that's my opinon, which I'm sure you'll respect.
Something to brag about
You were comparing domestics to imports, not Texas trucks to Fords and imports. Trust me, Ford has their problem trucks too. Ford is replacing engines in a bunch of them right now, transmissions too. I still don't think that makes Ford a worse or better truck than a Chevy or a Toyota. Compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges and the law of proportions does show up. If what you say is true, then if I knew nothing about any of the trucks available today, I could spend a couple of hours on this Edmunds site and would decide that they are ALL a piece of junk! More people that have problems conglomerate here and talk about them, so the horror stories about each will sound worse that they are. If I didn't realize this fact, I would never buy a Toyota. They have just as many complaints as the domestics on this site.
Again, I am not here to slam the Tundra, but I will defend the domestics when blanket statements are made, without fact, and without merit against one or the other. Texas doesn't represent the whole population of truck owners and your Tundra is still no more defect free than Chevy, Ford, or Dodge.
Enjoy your Tundra and leave the hatred and slamming somewhere else please.
I really know very little about these so any advice from anybody would be appreciated even if your experiences are with other brand applications (Chevy, Dodge, Ford etc).
Thanks in advance
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