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  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    I know this is a Tundra topic. Don't be an [non-permissible content removed]....just because, don't be an [non-permissible content removed]!
  • anonymousanonymous Member Posts: 314
    I purchasd a Snug Top Fiberglass Cover for my Tundra 4X4 Access Cab V-8. The cover was installed over an under the rail factory bed liner.My truck is the Platinum Metallic and the cover is identical The cover cost me $797.00 including tax by a local agency here in Prescott, Arizona. I have had a lot of comments on how sharp this cover looks. Snug Top is located in Long Beach, Ca. and is on the Internet. If you have any questions, contact me at: www.laserfox@cybertrails.com.
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    They have redone this one http://www.pickuptruck.com ....not bad, I enjoy the topic "bring it on", kind of free for all war (with limits).... see ya there. Probably wouldn't want Ryanbab joining in, you know how delicate his 20 yr old feelings are.
  • ferris47ferris47 Member Posts: 131
    Just checked out PUTC's Bring it on Forum. I have to say one of the most net wars I have ever seen. People are actually raising good points with some good info to back them up. Pretty impressive. I guess I got kinda used to Rube/trucksforme's, my truck is bigger than your truck and my kid beat up your kid arguments.

    Thanks for the Tonneau info guys. So anybody hear anymore info on a possible supercharger from TRD for the Tundra. Don't know if I would get it, as I am extremely happy with the truck as is, but it would be interesting to see a TRD/SC Tundra run with a Ford Lightning, which I don't care how brand loyal you are, is a damn impressive truck.

    One more question. The other day when I got in the truck there was ticking sound coming from the the left side of the dash, almost sounded like a turn signal, but that was not it. Anybody have any idea what this was. It was very uniform and rythmic so it cannot be a rattle or anything. It just went away and never came back and I am still here so I don't think it was a bomb timer.
  • ferris47ferris47 Member Posts: 131
    I apologize for all the grammar and typo errors in the last post. I have a flu and am not really paying much attention. Sorry.
  • ferris47ferris47 Member Posts: 131
    I apologize for all the grammar and typo errors in the last post. I have a flu and am not really paying much attention. Sorry.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    There will not be a supercharger any time soon. You can currently get a TRD exhaust for 8 hp and soon will be able to get header for a 15 hp boost. Check your local dealer for prices.
  • wrwhittewrwhitte Member Posts: 5
    (First time posting...maybe the last.)

    I'm in the comparison stage of getting a new truck. I was going after the SUVs except their $$$$ is too much. I'm opting for a good 4-door truck instead. I figured I'd take a look at this forum hoping to find some useful, objective information. I thought wrong.

    At least half of these postings are childish and/or remind me of political debates: one bash after another. And it wasn't until someone complained (like a mother would with rival offspring) that you may be privileged to hear apologies. Come on guys! Cut the clutter and stick to the important stuff. Granted, everyone has their own opinions, beliefs and experiences with all the manufacturers, so let's get down to information that everyone can use.

    Giving credit where credit is due....
    Thanks to dogster, t100todd, and giles for supplying something to work with. (Sorry to omit some others, but as my title alludes....I'm tired of wading through over 300 postings.) Needless to say, I'm still undecided on which to buy.

    OK, enough soap-box.

    Along with a roomy 4-door model, I'm looking for a decently sized engine (pref. v8) with good low speed torque. I'd also like best-of-breed 4WD system. It doesn't matter to me if it's part-time or full time, as long as it can shift on-the-fly with a 2 speed gear box. Locking diffs would be nice, but I don't NEED them.

    With that said, I went to the Washington D.C. autoshow after x-mas and found a fairly dismal representation from everyone except Nissan and Toyota. Unfortunately, I found both of their represented trucks too small: the Nissan Frontier Crew and SUT, and the Toyota Tundra and Tacoma. Now I know they are designed and built well (no debate war here please), but I thought the Tundra, being the largest, would have better back seat room. This would obviously solve several formerly posted complaints/gripes.

    The domestics' showcases were even worse. Ford didn't show up with their SuperCrew, they did have the SportTrac though. It looked OK. Chevy didn't have any 3 or 4 door models, but I know their back seat is pretty roomy. Dodge had their Dakota Quad. I was pleasantly surprised with the room in the Dakota....pretty close to a full-size.

    Bringing all these into view sets up for the big question that I'm most interested in. Given Toyota's quality record, are they going to make the back seat area bigger? If so, I'd buy it - all things considered.

    Thanks for the indulgence.
  • ferris47ferris47 Member Posts: 131
    I am a car nut, I drive everything that comes out from Hyundai to Corvette just to see what it is like. I did quite a bit of comparison shopping when I was looking for my Truck and would be happy to give you a rundown on what I found if you would like. Feel free to drop me an E-Mail at ferris47@home.com.

    I know Bluebeast did quite a bit of research before he got his truck and can probably offer you some viable info too.

    In a nutshell
    Toyota
    Pros - Quality, Warrenty, Wonderful engine. Best mix of a truck,car,and sports car. Fits easily in the garage, easy to park and maneuver, best "overall" performance Great personal vehicle.
    Cons- If you were originally looking at sport utes the back seat ain't gonna cut it for you.

    Chevy
    Pros - Extremely nice powertrain. Great gas mileage, back seat closest thing to a sport ute, huge interior, extremely comfortable seats. Lots O Gadgets, Auto trac in 4wd models that you are going to find.
    Cons - Spotty build quality, cheap feeling interior, Some major vibration problems in as many as 65% of the 2wd trucks(may have been solved by now.) Lots of ordering constraints right now.

    Ford
    Pros - They sell like ice cubes in Hell, they gotta be doing something right, 5.4 liter is a strong engine, nice interior quality, good handling.
    Cons - Spotty build quality, Fords always tend to get less mileage than they report. I personally found the backseat in the Ford worse then the Tundra. Kinda pricy when I was shopping them. Seemed to consitantly come in higher than the others. More of a work horse than a replacement for a sport ute.

    Dodge(fullsize)
    Pros - IMO the best exterior styling. Magnum engines are old but bulletproof, Interior space up front is caverness, Rear seats are a little better than the ford.
    Cons - Quality control is an oxymoron. You may get a great one, you may get a lemon, its a crap shoot. Very poor company to deal with from personal experience. Magnum engines are very old tech and suck up gss as fast as you can feed em.

    Dodge(Dakota Quad Cab)
    Pros- 4.7l engine, supposed to be very good with new auto trans. 4 real doors, plenty of room, best sport ute fighter in a truck. Style. You still get a truck bed for the nasty stuff.
    Cons - Quality control as above is what I would worry about. Other than that if you are trying to fill the bill of a sport ute this might be the beast.

    I have not driven the Dakota Quadcab, but have owned a Dakota R/T and it was a pretty nice truck. Comfortable and user friendly. I would expect the quad cab to be even better. This would definitely be a player to look at but always be aware that Chrysler products do not have a great reliability rep. Be careful with this.

    Hope this helps a little
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    ferris47 did a pretty good job summing it up except I don't think the interior of my Silverado has a cheap feeling. No vibration problems with mine, xcab 4x4. AND I'm not convince that Ford has fixed the "piston slap" problem on the 5.4L, they say they did but some folks on WWW.f150online.com don't feel that way. Let me add a couple more comments. BEFORE I took off 3 days to drive all the trucks over and over, sometimes driving a F150 to the Chevy dealer to look at them side by side I put on paper what I wanted on a truck, then prioritized my wants. This helped me alot to figure out what was best for me. I also recommend taking time off (don't drive on a Saturday) to drive drive drive, you get a great feel for the trucks, the likes/dislikes as you go from one to the other. Also, put all of "what you heard about a make from 1985 (or whatever) out of your mind and start with an open mind. As far as the Toyota making the back seat bigger, it will happen, it's just that it won't be until 2005. Look at Toyotas record, restyle about every 5 years. Which is fine for me right now cause thats when I plan on trading for ????????
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Drive the Tundra. The decision will get very easy when you do. I know the back seat is not great but you have no idea how much better than Tundra feels than anything else out there.

    I sold one to a guy who had never owned a truck. When I called him a week later to see how things were going, he said "what did you sell me Steve?" I was a bit nervous to ask what he meant by that. "My buddy just bought a Mercedes and it doesn't ride this nice!"

    Check your e-mail. I sent you an invitation for a no hassle test drive in the DC area. I hope to meet you soon.
  • smcpherrsmcpherr Member Posts: 114
    Heck, Drive 'em All! Don't worry about the size of the back seat if you never use it. If you are planning on using it, then maybe the Tundra isn't your best bet.

    I have an F-150 which I, in my humble subjective opinion, also thinks rides better than most luxury cars (yes, I have ridden in several of them). Here in Milwaukee they say there are two seasons, Winter and Construction. Outside of my apartment is a rather long stretch of road which was not completed in time for winter and thus it will stay as it lay. My gal (driver of an RX-7 which is running on its last leg) was with me the other day on said road and she said "Hon, instead of getting ME a new car, why don't you let me have YOUR truck and we can buy YOU a new one? This truck drives so much better than a car on rough surfaces!" Ahh, sure dear, what ever you say.

    Back to wrwhitte, do the homework, find out what truck you like the best, then visit sites like edmunds and kbb.com to find out what the truck really costs (invoice). Then visit the topic of that particular truck and ask how much over invoice should you be asking. Add whatever you find to the invoice, and head to the dealer. Get his offer and then say you are not going to pay any more than $XX,XXX, take it or leave it. If they laugh, walk out and go to another dealer. Bottom line, get a truck you like looking at, you like driving, does everything you will need it too, and especially one you can afford. You'll be happy.

    SM
  • mslevymslevy Member Posts: 6
    Does anyone know how much weight the tailgate can hold?
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    You Tundra boys, wow, what imaginations ! "Rides better than most luxury cars", come on. I have owned a 91 Acura Legend (6 yrs), traded for a 97 BMW 528 (1yr), traded for a Lexus GS 300 (which is currently in the garage) and my truck DOES NOT ride better than any of these cars. Yes, trucks now days ride very nice, but BETTER than most luxury cars????...Maybe better than luxury cars from the 60's & 70's. Next thing you know your going to tell me and others about the 2 ton payload in the pickup box that you drove from Miami, Fl to Los Angles with on 2 tanks of gas.
  • eusasceusasc Member Posts: 91
    Man, you are a piece of work. All I do is mention facts to dispute your opinions and you start tossing insults. Grow up.
  • powercatpowercat Member Posts: 96
    Didn't the doofus in Back To The Future that said "Wake up Mcfly!" have the I.Q of an eraser?
  • rumorrumor Member Posts: 13
    i currently own a f-250 super duty truck, but
    would love to trade for new tundra. i was
    wondering if anyone knows if the tundra will
    take a light duty plow? due to the winters we
    have were i live it is a requirement to have
    a plow (adirondack mtns in upstate ny) I have
    no problems with the ford, but would prefer
    the tundra. any info would be appreciated before
    i go to the dealer to negiotate. thanks-don
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    No, all you presented was more unscientific crapola. No more facts involved than my opinions.
    If you want to try and discredit an opinion with fact, at least use a good control group and test group. Providing lemon law cases for one state out of 50 is far far far from "facts". As a matter of fact, what you stated was even more rediculous than if I tried to pass my opinion off as factual.

    I don't feel I need to grow up just because my opinion contradicts your so-called facts. I think you need to broaden your horizons and realize that just because you drive a Toyota, that doesn't make your Toyota superior and it doesn't make domestic trucks interior. I have no problem with the import trucks, but I am a least open minded to realize that the Toyota isn't the only reliable and viable option in a truck. Your reasons for buying a Toyota are pure preference as mine are for buying a domestic truck. I have owned the Toyotas and they are good trucks, just too small and no more reliable than my Silverado.

    Get over it and quit justifying your purchase buy slamming everyones ride and their preferences in truck.

    If anyone needs to grow up, you do. I am at least not slamming your Toyota and causing brand wars here. I try to respect everyones opinions and preferences without judgement as an adult would do. Doesn't sound to me, based on your posts directed to me and also posts you have made to others, that you share that same adult-like behaviour.
  • janrlowejanrlowe Member Posts: 5
    I'm still wondering how much longer I have to wait for a Tundra V8 two wheel drive regular cab....does any one know? Thanks, Jan
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    I was not kidding about the ride. I absolutely think my Limited rides better than the GS. Call me biased (I do sell them) but there are not many vehicles that ride better.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    I wouldn't hold your breath on that one. Toyota isn't even building some of the versions that are catalogued let alone those that aren't.

    Toyota is walking a fine line between affordability and features. I think a standard cab V8 without the 4X4 would cross that line. One the plus side, Toyota is shipping 4X4 versions right now with the V8 standard cab. We have 5 in stock right now.
  • donaddisdonaddis Member Posts: 4
    Does anyone know if Toyota plans to offer a LSD on the Tundra in 2001? Is this feature worth waiting for?
  • wrwhittewrwhitte Member Posts: 5
    (Almost lost hope.)
    Thanks to ferris47, bluebeast, cliffy1, and smcpherr.....especially ferris47 for putting together something worth while. Everything you mentioned sounds consistent with all I've heard, seen and experienced.

    I own a '94 Jeep Wrangler and your comment about the "very poor company to deal with" rings true for the Jeep side of Chrysler too. Ran into a dispute with my dealer when they tried to fix the tranny. We both lost the war. I essentially paid for a new one and they lost a customer. They also took a hit with the regional rep. With all said, I'll probably never buy another Jeep. Worst part is, I find the Dakota Quad most attractive right now. Chrysler's got me over a barrel.

    By the way, ferris47, what would you say about the Nissan Crew Cab? Didn't see anything in your response.

    I'll take the advice from cliffy1 and smcpherr and drive them all. Planned on doing that anyway. In fact, I may even rent each of them for a weekend just to get a real good feel. Just not sure if this'll be a realistic approach with questionable availability at the rental places.

    And yes, smcpherr, the back seat may not seem important. My next truck will replace my Jeep (providing 4WD) and will serve as my daily vehicle - so the back seat isn't important in that respect....I don't haul workers. But, it'll have to be big enough for a family - which is why I started with the SUVs (nixed due to $), and found the Tundra space somewhat disappointing. (I obviously like room.) Of course, maybe I'm not the exact market for the Tundra.

    Thanks again for the indulgence.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    My only advice is that when you drive the Tundra set the seats in the position that you and spouse would find comfortable and then check the back seat. Check ingress/egress angles too. Some 3d/4th doors hinge differently and don't allow straight-in access. It can be adequate (my case) or not depending on where the front seat is. I noticed on Speedvision that Chevy will bring out the S10 4 door sometime this year (probably fall). You'll probably find that your choice is a matter of trade-offs - there is no perfect vehicle.
  • ferris47ferris47 Member Posts: 131
    Glad we could help. Personally I found the Nissan Crew cab to be rather spartan and unrefind. I was very dissappointed with the 3.3 L engine. Very rough, unrefined and not much go. I mean it did the job and it moved the truck pretty well, but it reminded me more of the old Chevy 2.8 litre, then a modern refined engine. No digs on the 2.8 as that was a great engine just not up to the refinement across the board today. The back of the crew cab is pretty decent considering this is a compact pickup truck, still nowhere near the comfort of the Silverado backseat or dare I say the Dodge Crewcab. I am sure the truck will run forever as Nissan also has great quality rating and I have met few people who have complained about them lasting. The price is pretty good too. If you are coming out of a JGC, I don't think you will be able to handle the overall spartan aspect.

    Hey have you looked at Xterras. Still use that 3.3 engine, but all in all I would have to say a hell of a lot of truck for the money. 25K pretty much loaded. You can't get leather from the factory, if that is an issue, but a lot of dealerships are offering it as a dealer add on. This might be something to pursue also. I was pretty impressed with it, engine aside. I am just kinda spoiled as I have owned an S10 with 195HP, a Dakota R/T with 250 HP, and my Yota with 245 HP. All had excellent thrust to weight and I tend to place a lot of emphasis on get up and go torque and power to weight. That is just me. Between the Crew Cab and the Xterra, check ou the Xterra. More truck for the $$ and probably better to suited to your overall needs.
  • ferris47ferris47 Member Posts: 131
    I don't know why I assumed you had a JGC, from your post. Guess I am just used to seeing so many of them. What do you currently drive or are you trying to replace, is it the Wrangler? If so, I would definitely check out the Xterra. Reminded me of a better Jeep Cherokee.
  • gilesgiles Member Posts: 15
    Do you have information on the new Toyota Sequoia?
    I have heard that it will be October before the
    dealers get them, that it will be built on a Tundra platform, and that it will have a max. tow rating of around 7000#. Is any of this true? Other information? Best guess on V8 pricing range?
    Thanks
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    The Sequoia will be out next fall. It will be built in Indiana on the Tundra platform. It will be a 7 seater and should have the same tow ratings as the Tundra. The VP of CAT told us to expect pricing in the $38K to $42K price range. it will be larger than the LC but with less of the luxury features like the full time 4WD.

    I have not seen anything except one spy photo in Automotive news. It just looked like a Tundra with a shell and back doors.

    This vehicle will be on display at Auto shows coming up this month. I'll keep you posted when I have more.
  • raeseraese Member Posts: 9
    I have a Tundra reg. cab 2wd auto.. 580 miles and no complaints so far except that I got a flat tire the other day, drivers front, and when I took out the jack to change the tire I found out that the jack would not extend far enough for the tire to be clear; flat grade on concrete. There does not appear to be anything wrong with the jack. Anyone else have this problem? Also I was concerned with Toyota's reccomondation of only 26 psi in the front tires; poor gas mileage and premature tire wear are my concerns. I bumped the pressure to 32 psi and detect no difference, ie. no shimmy or increased road noise. Any reason why I can't leave them at a higher pressure? By the way, paid 500 over invoice in northern california.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    You are the first guy in NoCal that I have spoken to that had a good dealership experience. I have a guy flying from St. Helena to buy a Tundra in Virginia and drive it home rather than deal with the nonsense in that part of the state.

    As to the jack, are you putting it in the correct position under the frame. I have not had this problem when I had my T100 and I think it has the same jack.

    Don't know what to tell you about the tires. I just leave them at what the shop sets them at.
  • raeseraese Member Posts: 9
    I put the jack on the frame at the crossmember under the drivers side door; that seems to be where Toyota says to put it. As to purchasing the truck in northern california, I agree most dealerships I dealt with were unwilling to to give what I considered a reasonable price; it took me three months and 43 dealerships, all in california, to close a deal.
  • dirtytoesdirtytoes Member Posts: 6
    Who did you buy from? I'm in northern Ca and still holding out.
  • eusasceusasc Member Posts: 91
    Unscientific crapola??? Can't argue with that "logic" Hey, you're a funny guy. OK you win. All brands are equal.
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    If your considering a SUV take a look at the Izuzu Trooper. I took one out for fun, pretty nice, great price compared to the rest of the field.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    If you want to make the trip to VA, I saved one customer $2500 over his best price in NoCal. Contact me at sclifford@dsdial.net and I will be glad to share the details of this.
  • llordanichllordanich Member Posts: 1
    I am thinking of buying a Tundra. Cant make up my
    mind between 4x4 and 2x4. Will not be towing. Doing the normal family things like lumber and children + gear. Will commute from time to time.
    One question I had for the salesman was what about limited slip differential. He said that Tundra does not have this option in either 4x4 or 2x4. What does the Tundra have then in its place?
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    "Can't argue with that "logic" Hey, you're a funny guy. OK you win. All brands are equal."

    Perfect example of the adult-like behavior you mention?
  • kentekente Member Posts: 28
    I have about 4000 miles on my Tundra and am experiencing something odd. Occasionally, when starting it will act like it isn't going to kick over. (sort of like a dying battery) It only does this occasionally and has allways started. Has anyone else experienced this????
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    I am not slamming the Tundra so please don't take it that I am, but the Tundra has had this (not really a problem) with all the new Tundras. They all are slow to turn over, especially when extremely cold. I am not sure if Toyota has arrived at a fix yet or not. It IS a known issue though, not just a problem with your truck.

    I had a Tacoma that was slow turning over too. Never had any problems result from it though. I just made sure I used a good 0-30 synthetic oil. The time while your engine is turning over, the engine is not getting adequate lubrication.

    Take it to the dealer and see if they have a fix yet.
  • raeseraese Member Posts: 9
    Magnussen's Auburn Toyota....Glenn Tuccinardi
    They are a smaller dealership but have 30 to 40 Tundras on the lot. When I told them I had been dealing with dealers as far as San Diego over the internet they didn't even argue. Let them know you have done your homework, that your ready to buy but that you are not desperate and will wait for your price. Good Luck
  • budman4budman4 Member Posts: 2
    I have on order a 4x4 Limited Access Cab with the TRD Off Road Package with all of the options accept ABS. I got 2600.00 off the list, came to 1150.00 over invoice with the Toyota Adv. included. St. Louis is in short supply of Tundra's so I feel I got a fair deal? I have a few questions if I could get some advice from Tundra owners. This is my first truck.

    I bought 4wd because of the better traction I would receive in rain and the little snow we get.
    I thought the TRD would help with handling and body role. I am wondering about the ride quality between 2wd, 4wd, and 4wd TRD? I first ordered 2wd but thought about the traction issue in primarily the rain. I didn't notice much difference in ride quality between 2wd and 4wd but only drove about 15 miles. First and foremost I but a Tundra because of the quiet ride and the quality. What's up with this Toyota Adv charge?
    Experience with the 6 disc? Has anyone had the factory hood protector put on? Has anyone used the Toyota 150.00 coupon voucher? Great chat room!!!!
  • commodore1commodore1 Member Posts: 5
    I don't have a Tundra yet, but planning to buy soon. I would like to know what's used on the Tundra for valve timing
  • yfchungyfchung Member Posts: 2
    Raese,

    Your 500 over invoice price is really a good deal.
    Would you mind telling me which dealer that you
    purchase your 2wd-reg cab Tundra from?
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    The 4wd is not full-time. Why would you buy it for rain?
  • eusasceusasc Member Posts: 91
    belt
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Your Tundra is not unique. All of them crank longer for starting. Toyota designed the fuel system to delay fuel to the pistons for about one full revolution. This allows the piston rings and cylinder walls to get a fresh coat of oil before combustion takes place. The effect is a little irritating, but will supposedly enhance engine life.
  • macduffmacduff Member Posts: 15
    I'm being quoted from $1000 over invoice to about $3000 over invoice in Chicago for a 4X4 Access Cab Limited, with all options. I've talked to 5 or 6 dealers so far. They all tell me how short the Tundra supply is; guess they're right for now.

    My last pickup was a 1987 Toyota 4x4, great truck. I'm looking forward to the Tundra. Came close to buying a Jeep Grand Cherokee, but heard horror stories about repair and quality issues, plus they're so much money.

    Just out of curiosity, how many Tundra owners out there use their truck for work, and how many have it just for pure fun and the occasional heavy project around the house?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    We just revised out Tundra prices. Limiteds are going for $850 over invoice and SR5s are $650 over. These are considered very low in the Washington DC metro area. Other parts of the country can be much higher.
  • raeseraese Member Posts: 9
    See response #407. I had a deposit at a Southern Calif. dealership at the same discount, Longo Toyota, but they had to order it and said it would be 3 or 4 months. Auburn Toyota had it in stock and when I mentioned the sales managers name at Longo, Auburn Toyota matched the price without an arguement. As A side note: When I first contacted Auburn Toyota 3 months ago over the internet they would not even talk to me about a discount. It was a fluke that I even went back to Auburn Toyota. I live in Auburn and saw a car carrier with the reg. cab on it pull into the dealership. I simply went in to take a look at the truck and had no intention to buy or even talk with them.
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