Employee / Supplier Purchase Programs

afk_x · October 2002

I'm not going to flame you.

Obviously they aren't ALL like that, but for the most part the biggest mooches we deal with are GMS or GM supplier customers.

We have let many walk because we wouldn't sweeten the deal.

sonjaab · November 2002

I hear ya about some of these guys shooting themselves in the foot on GM deals.
I usually am the dreaded 3rd wheel on most
deals....But I keep my mouth shut and get
the GM paperwork from mom or uncle and
make sure the dealer know they have the OLD
GM card to get max.$$$ off. I also have the heads up from Gm familysavings.com for any
special rebates,GMAC deals etc.....
AND I get my 50 bird dog fee too!
Most are clean deals tho...the 7-8 yo trade
they have usually goes to one of the kids !

Isell: my cousin just bought a used buick
from your store. Ernie in the parts dept.
knows them and I don't know who he steered
them too.....maybe you!

BTW: On my above post i didn't mean to infere
the playing dumb on the DOC fees to the sales
folks on these threads...Just a couple of
salespeople at local dealers...........geo

caramo · November 2002

Don't run into too many folks looking for extras when they're getting GMS pricing, but they do shop their trades, since that's the only possible variable between dealerships.

sonjaab · November 2002

True on shopping the trade on a GMS deal.
I got numbers anywhere from $2900 to $5900
from 3 dealers when I traded my 96 Caddy
for a 2002 Caddy ! Same dealer gave my
dad $6000 trade on his 99 truck when he
bought his 02 truck when another dealer
offered him $3900 ! It pays to shop !

BTW: I am not one to waste the salesguys
time either. No Saturday deals. I point
to the car or truck I want and say appraise
my trade ! And I don't play one dealer against
the other. Highest trade gets my business.
And I don't test drive the new one untill
just before i sign my name !

alinda · November 2002

Gms/Gmo, whatever. I've been at a gm store for five days. gimme a break.

Everyones so critical.

sonjaab · November 2002

Alinda...No one here means to be critical
of YOU ! Just some GM employee customers
don't know or understand that the GM plans,
GM card points etc. have changed ! Therefor
confusion and you got the grinder !
Hey I thought you sold hondas or toyotas ?
Made a change huh? Good luck and have a
great day!.......geo

alinda · November 2002

Made a change SOOOO much for the better! I actually have fun at work now (and not because I'm doing dastardly deeds, but because its fun).

PS I cut the dweeb loose. Dude, Quadrasteer costs about 3.5K invoice. I can't do a darned thing about THAT

montanafan · November 2002

Think you misunderstood the post. GM employee price is "ON" the invoice not "AT" invoice. Also I have read posts that the change in GM Card comes next July and the card will be replaced by a new car offering a smaller percentage of savings but not doing away with it. Also the entire world lost the 5% allowance not just GM employees. GM did this several years ago, the trade of was an increase in rebates earlier in the summer.

jasmith52 · November 2002

I think I was just whining a bit. So thanks for puting up with my rant.

My whole point of the post was that GM seems to be getting much less generous with it's employees.

By the way, would you mind explaining to the less well informed what is meant by ON vs AT invoice. Are you suggesting that the GMS price is below the invoice price. The GMS price used to be 3 or 4 percent below invoice price. However in the last year or so the GMS discount is a more mysterious number that depends on alot more factors like the model and trim level.

For me, the discount that I could get is much larger from the GM credit card than from the employee discount. So for me the driver of if I purchase another GM car will be in the deal that everyone else gets minus my GM credit card points.
I am aware that the employee and credit card credits won't be separate until next summer.

caramo · November 2002

Invoice less 5% of MSRP (excluding destination charge on sticker).

jasmith52 · November 2002

I believe that each model and trim line has different discounts.

So the fact that you got 5 percent off of invoice is but one deal. Other models and trim levels may be different.

abtseller · November 2002

is usually a little over invoice, minus holdback. The GM Employee program (different than supplier) is usually below "net" (under the holdback).

Ed

montanafan · November 2002

Sure, what I read the first post to mean was that now GM prints the GMS price ON the invoice instead of going through a math calculation to arrive at it, it is there for everyone to see and verify. I understood your post to mean that you think the GMS price is now AT or the same as invoice. My understanding of reading post is that GMS is Invoice less holdback and advertising contributions (which seams to vary from area to area and dealer to dealer), or between 3% and 5% less then invoice. And that is what these boards are for ranting and question asking. Keep posting.

sonjaab · November 2002

IS right on the invoice ! GM Supplier too!
They USED to do the % off base price of
vehicle. THen a certain % off options.
They did that when I bought my 96 & 97.
Now its a straight up price !....geo

BTW: Some of the dealers we shopped this
year BLACKED out the dealer invoice price
on the pricing sheet ! Some didn't. GMS
employee price was always LESS than invoice.
SUpplier deal was a bit over invioce.

jasmith52 · November 2002

used to be 4 percent more than GMS price (4 percent more of MSRP less transportation costs). At least it was a year or two ago. So if from the previous post that supplier price is maybe 1% over invoice then maybe GMS price is around 3% less than invoice. Or another way to look at it is that the GMS price is equal to the invoice price less holdback (of three percent).

The above discount has been inferred - Maybe i'm full of beans. Set me straight if i'm wrong

michaellno · November 2002

All of this is good information, but what if you can't find out what the invoice price is?

Specifically, I'm talking about Saturns. I work for a GM supplier, and am thinking of a Saturn L300 as my next car. When I went to the dealer, they gave me a "ballpark" number (I wasn't ready to do the deal then; was just there for information).

Would I be correct to state that when I'm ready to pull the trigger, they will show me an invoice with the GMS price on it?

jasmith52 · November 2002

That you can look at.

www.gmfamilysavings.com

sonjaab · November 2002

You need the employees SS# to access the
prices.
This site WILL NOT show GM supplier prices
tho.

MIKE: Mr.dealer will show you the GM supplier
price on invoice.

Remember:
GMS means in dealer stock on lot.
GMO means a ordered vehicle from GM.
NO price difference anymore !
GM Supplier is a supplier deal entirely
different than GMO/GMS.
Confused yet ?

michaellno · November 2002

Yep, plenty confused. I've gone to the website provided by my company and requested something called a form 1753, which I'm to take to the dealer so I can qualify for the discount.

But, what you are saying is that there is no price difference if I get a car from dealer stock OR custom order a vehicle? Not sure that I can wait 6-8 weeks for something custom -- I'll take my chances with dealer inventory.

sonjaab · November 2002

Correct ..There is no longer a cheaper
ordered price for employee or supplier.
Just find the car you want. Go to dealer
tell them that you qualify for GM supplier
discount and they will ( in most dealers)
whip out the dealer sheet(invoice) with
the GM supplier price. Most will be more
than happy if you are a serious buyer !
Also ask if they waive adv. fees and DOC
on GM supplier deals like they do on GM
employee/family deals.

The form 1753 is simular to the form GM
gives to employee/family buyers to confirm
you get the special price.
You won"t need it untill you sit down to
seal the deal tho !..good luck and any more
questions just post.......geo

michaellno · November 2002

Thanks for the feedback. I'm still trying to decide what car to get; I've narrowed it down to the Altima and the L300 (my company gets supplier discounts for both GM and Nissan). I know the local Nissan dealer will waive the doc fees for me on the Altima; I'm hoping to get to the Saturn dealer again this weekend and I'll ask my salesman if this is also true for GM.

montanafan · November 2002

http://www.gmsupplierdiscount.com but dosen't give exact pricing.

alinda · November 2002

michaell,
Most likely they didn't give you an exact number because they don't know the price until you pick one -- thus the ballpark. In my short time selling Chevros, I noticed that a same trim level car can have up to 4k variance in price.

michaellno · November 2002

While I wasn't looking for an exact number, I did need something "ballpark" for comparison purposes.

Also, with the Saturn L-series, the options are pretty limited. I outlined what I was looking for, option-wise, and they gave me what I was looking for (I think they said something like MSRP was $23,400, the supplier price would be around $22,000).

The problem with Saturns is that the invoice prices are not to be found ... edmunds, carpoint, intellichoice ... none of these sites show the invoice prices on Saturns.

Thanks to all for the feedback. I'll keep folks posted on what I end up doing.

sonjaab · November 2002

For 22k and you get GM supplier price !
GO check out a new Buick Century. Same
car more goodies. Prob. with the rebate
supplier deal....$15k . I don,t know
the price on the Saturn seem "funny".
BUT the deals on all GM cars are different !
A couple of years back Saturn and Saab were
excluded from the GM deals.

michaellno · November 2002

and got a Pewter L300 with just about every option (plus aftermarket leather) for just over $24K. The only options not on the car are the DVD package (which I couldn't get because I've got the sunroof) and the 6-disc CD changer.

Very pleasant experience overall, and got the 0% financing for 60 months. Nothing like free money!

Am hoping to pick up the car later in the week; the dealer needed a day or two to install the leather, as well as to tint the windows and apply the clear bra that I ordered.

sonjaab · November 2002

Good for you ! DID they charge you adv. fees
or DOC with the GM supplier deal ?
Enjoy you new car!................geo

michaellno · November 2002

Nope, the dealer didn't waive the doc processing fees. No big deal, really; I got what I wanted for a fair price (hey, I figure a discount for a Saturn makes my deal pretty unique!).

sonjaab · November 2002

Did they charge you a advertising fee?
I am not sure about GM supplier deal.
Set me straight.....Thanks........geo

michaellno · November 2002

I never saw the invoice, so I can't say for certain that the ad fee was there or not.

psg · December 2002

I've got a '03 Silverado on order. The dealer told me I would have to pay a doc fee so I called GM. Sure enough, GM said there is no doc fee unless you live in NC. I was so stunned I forgot to ask why. Does anyone know what gives?

Thanks,

Phil

abtseller · December 2002

on a GM Employee or GM Supplier deal in NC.

Ed

psg · December 2002

I ordered the truck (GMS) set up the way I want it, despite the demise of GMO. I have a build date of 12.15.02. The doc fee is $298.00. Ouch!

Between the drought this summer and the ice storm last week, I'm looking forward to having the truck to help re-build my landscape. I've probably lost a quarter of my shrubs and trees. I've been running the chain saw a bunch here lately. We just got our power back after 5 days of cold but I digress.

Phil

montanafan · December 2002

Could it be possible that doc fees are state regulated in NC, therefore unavoidable? Perhaps you may want to start a new topic:" NC Doc Fees " to see.

abtseller · December 2002

doc fees aren't regulated in NC, and there aren't any on a GMS/ Supplier deal at my dealership.

Ed

psg · December 2002

I'm waiting for answer. I'll post their reply if I get one. The two agents I spoke with in the GM call center could only tell me that NC has a doc fee, they couldn't tell me why. They were rather clue less.

Phil

chevyjoe1 · January 2003

GMS AND SUPPLIER, EITHER ONE IS A GOOD DEAL. DOC FEES ARE NOT NORMALLY CHARGED AT MOST REPUTABLE DEALERS. LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THOUGH THERE CAN BE A CURVE...YOUR TRADE. IN REALITY, THE ONLY PLACE FOR A DEALER TO MAKE MONEY ON A GMS DEAL IS BY GETTING THE TRADE "BACK OF BOOK." FOR A SALESPERSON, ALL THOSE DEALS SIMPLY PAY A MINI. I ACTUALLY HAD A SUPPLIER COME IN RECENTLY, ASKING FOR THE "BEST PRICE" WHEN I QYUOTED HER SUPPLIER, MINUS THE REBATES AND DEALER CASH, AND BONUS CASH, SHE SAID WE MUST BE CRAZY, WE COULD DO BETTER. PEOPLE, GIVE US A LITTLE BREAK

caramo · January 2003

with GMS, it all comes down to shopping the trade. As a rule, our used car manager won't know whether the customer is GMS or not, but just gives us straight ACV, and we do not underallow on GMS deals.

fsr224 · January 2003

Is there delaer cash on 03 Silverado's and Sierra's. I know about the rebates and bonus cash, but the local dealers say no dealer cash. Also, I looked at www.carmax.com and it seems they have Silverados for 1500-1700 under invoice, not including rebates and bonus cash. They said supplier pricing is about 1400 higher than their published price!

abtseller · January 2003

in ads usually include the rebates. If you get a GMS or Supplier price, you then have to deduct any applicable rebates, etc, from that figure (after tax, tag, etc).

There is no dealer cash on Silverados currently, either.

Ed

ntaylor · January 2003

sounds to me as if one can get as good of a price as the GM Supplier price by dealing from invoice. If I were to go into a dealership today and say i'd like to buy a particular truck @ the best price and with 0% financing, do you think i'd do better to show my GM Supplier paperwork or not?

caramo · January 2003

So just take the GMS price. You're not likely to do better via haggling. . . Though anything can happen, I guess. Depends on what your time is worth.

Now, GM Supplier. . . Maybe you could do a hair better. . . But I wouldn't count on it.

Plus, GMS buyers aren't charged doc fees. Consider your total OTD.

abtseller · January 2003

GMS is the "employee" price, I'm not sure why they couldn't have come up with something more creative like "GME" as a code, but hey, its not my company.

Supplier is usually over invoice, so yes, you can sometimes do better. You aren't allowed to be charged any doc. fees or mop-n-glo, so the hassle might not be worth it.

Ed

CarMan@Edmunds · January 2003

Hi fsr224. The previous poster was correct in that General Motors is not providing dealer cash specifically on Chevrolet Silverado or GMC Sierra models. However, through January 2nd, General Motors is running a dealer volume bonus program that provides dealers who hit their objectives with a minimum of $400 per unit and a maximum of $1,500 per unit once they sell a certain number of vehicles. As a result of this program, many dealers are blowing out as many vehicles as they can this month, many of which are going out the door at or even below invoice minus any available consumer incentives. This is likely why the prices that you have seen for these trucks have been so aggressive.

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P.S. As a side note since you mentioned that you are interested in the GM Supplier Program, all GM vehicles sold through their supplier or employee purchase programs during this volume bonus promotion qualify for a flat $250 per unit.

ntaylor · January 2003

well, it went down to the wire and I found a truck that was a very close match to what I am looking for, the salesperson (via email) worked very hard for me...and I didn't do it. The truck is there today, but would cost $1250 more than yesterday. I'll just wait and see what happens. Other than December, is there a period of the year that is typically going to have a better price/incentive? I realize the truck segment is one of the strongest, so I don't anticipate a lot of price/incentive wars in the near future.

landru2 · January 2003

Your mature attitude is very refreshing. There are so many others that would be gnashing their teeth complaining about the ripoff dealers and manufacturers in the same situation. I hope you'll remember your salesperson's efforts when the comes to buy.

Typically, rates drop as the model year winds down, but these days who knows. We've got 0% on 2003's now so I don't what they'll do to make it more attractive.

fsr224 · January 2003

Can the Dealer money be used with GM Supplier pricing.Does the Dealer have to give this the customer under GMS Rules. Thanks

michaellno · January 2003

I purchased a Saturn back in Nov, using the GM Supplier program. I specifically asked about the doc fees (close to $300), and was told that they were charged.

Was I taken? Not that I'd be upset, just want to know (it would mean about $5 per month on my payment).

caramo · January 2003

GM Supplier can be charged doc fee. . . GM Employee cannot.

alinda · January 2003

I think you're right, caramo.

Of course, our doc fee is $50 in Texas, by law, so when people get all huffy about it, we're kinda confused. $300 I could see, but not fifty bucks.

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