Hyundai Tucson

w2323 · March 2005

About the manual trans going out.

My mistake it was for a Hyundai Tiburon. Not the Tuscan.

I would not purchase a manual trans because of it regardless however. Unless you want to take a chance and not getting the full 10/100,000 warranty.

Heres a link:

apollo2005, "Hyundai Tiburon" #380, 2 Oct 2004 11:41 pm

batman47 · March 2005

12,000 miles experience

My Tucson LX has reached 12,000 miles on a journey of 15,000 miles endurance test. At the moment I am in Shenandoah National Park, Virginia.
I bought the car in California and some experiences were given here in this forum.

The car has undergone two oil changes, the first at 3,500 miles (Havoline) in Los Angeles, Hyundai dealer. The second change was at 7,500 miles (Mobil 1 Syn 10/30) at Hot Springs, Arkansas, Hyundai dealer. I took my own oil, filter and gasket. They charged me $12.00. I rotated the tyres in Wal-Mart ($6.0). I expect to change the oil again at 15,000 miles at Boston (Full maintenenace service).

I had to take the car again to the Hyundai dealer in Hot Springs because it was leaking oil. They apologized and said that they did not tighten something properly
The Syntetic oil produced a favourable feeling in the engine. Apparently the engine runs smoothly and the car catchs speed quickly. Since I bought this car I have used gas/petrol 89 octane (plus). The engine oil colour is light brown/orange and it seems that it doesn have any carbon particles.

I tried to order a touch up paint, for a scratch on the right hand fender, from Hyundai dealers without success. I wanted to order a replacement clothes hook for the handle on the passenger door but I was told I have to order the whole set, i.e. handle as well (?).

After driving the car on the Blue Ridge Park Way for four hours at 35-45 miles per hour I noticed that the engine compartment produced clicking metalic noises, as it was cooling after the engine was swiched off.

The rear driver side red plastic light cover seems to have developed a flurry internal spot (1.5 inches). I still think that the quality of the front lights are poor.

The internal car plastic has developed a lot of scraches, it seems to scratch very easily.

One month after I bought the car the plastic seals just in front of the driver steering wheel facing the door hinges became detached leaving a gap 1/8 " between seals.

The car has been a pleasure to drive. Very responsive and solid on any type of roads. So far I have not noticed any rattles. The set of tyres are good (32 psi each). The depth of the pattern is 5 mm at the moment.

B

csandste · March 2005

I think Wally World will give you a life time rotation and balance on your oem tires for a bit over $7 per tire.

238000 · March 2005

The GLS has the MP3 system, whereas the LX has a different system and also 7 speakers. What is an MP3 system anyway?

238000 · March 2005

What article about Hyundai are you refering to?

238000 · March 2005

I've had my Tucson for three weeks and only have 800 miles on it. The headlights are very good providing great illumination on dark Connecticut country roads. I haven't noticed any interior scratchea. Everything seems to work fine. The only thing is I pulled up the rear center head rest and can't get it down, Not a big deal, I'll let Hyundai check it out after my first oil chanage. I'll request synthetic oil which I use in my Chrysler. I love the way the car drives and gets through snow. I live by a lake with very steep streets to get in and out. While my Sonata did ok on these streets, only failing to maake the grade one time, we just had a major snow storm march 23d and the Tucson climbed up these hills without any problem. I didn't use the 50-50 since reading about a Tucson owner who had a problem with it. I'm scared to use it, not that I need it. Have you had any experience with the 50-50?

flguy · March 2005

Hi,
I have a Tucson 4c and it only gets 20 mpg. I have 900 miles on it so far. Have not had it on a long trip. Very disappointed. I traded a 28 mpg average powerful 6c Buick for a low power 4c. It handles very nice though. Engine does not run correctly either. Bucks and jerks. Transmission does not shift correctly. Takes about 5 seconds to go completely into gear. Have and appointment next Wednesday to get it fixed (I hope) The service mngr says the computer needs re programmed. We shall see. So far I am learning to dislike it. Maybe after they fix it I will like it better. Has any one else had problems like this?
Regards, Gene

csandste · March 2005

Makes me glad I bought a Malibu Maxx. As you remember from your Buick, GM does know how to squeeze out good mpg from big, torquey V6's. The Maxx gives me mid twenties around town with the same space and flexibility as the Tucson.

My experience with my Elantra was that mileage does go up as the engine loosens up. Frankly the four cylinder Hyundai engine is as smooth as the GM V6. Even when fully broken in however, my Elantra 5 speed averaged about 26 around town (with urban, oxygenated gas) only about a mile or two better than the much larger Maxx equipped with an automatic and 2.5 liter V6. Limited highway driving shows both tied in the low thirties.

stamperman · March 2005

hey, i didn't really know the answer myself, until last weekend. mp3 is a different format for recording music and data. basically, i went to burn a cd for my vehicle last weekend. instead of just simply copying the cd directly to a blank cd, i recorded the music to my computer in the mp3 format, which greatly compresses the data down to a smaller recording space. basically, instead of getting about say 20 songs on a cd, you can get 200 or so. and the newer cd players in these new vehicles are created to play these newer formats, whereas older models simply won't play them. in short, get a young person to show you how once, and you'll probably use mp3 in the future.

duckied · March 2005

Hello. I currently own a 2005 Elantra GLS, and yesterday I test drove a Tucson and Santa Fe. I extremely liked the Tucson. I was looking at its list of options, and what is the $10 cupholder insert? Also, does anyone have a factory installed tow hitch receiver on their Tucson? I noticed that the tow hitch receiver is not on the option list, but on the Hyundai Parts & Accessories list. Thank you for your help!

roadturtle · March 2005

Yes the leather seats with the seat warmers, and the 6 cd changer is worth every penny in the LX.

batman47 · March 2005

I said I have driven my Tucson LX about 12,000 miles now. There are very good points but we need to address some that pop up during this long journey (presently at Washington DC).

First, The 50/50 4WD scared me. Reversing while turning left or right produce a strong knocking noise (?). Driving forward on gravel roads ,with the 4wheel drive engaged, small road curves produced a sensation that the rear tyres were strugging to get in syncronization. You need to disengage the 4WD button before stoppping the engine otherwise the whole car shudders.

Second: The leather seats have been extended so much that there are now a tranverse corrugated piece of leather. The very little holes in the leather seats usually are filled with very little stones or dust that make the seat look dirty.

Third: The engine when idle accelaretes and deccelerates without human intervention. I wonder if this is normal.

Four: I did not have good experiences with the two Hyundai dealers: One put the underframe oil cover wrongly and the second did not tighten the oil plug properly or left a lot of oil on the compartment that my car awoke with a big spot of oil on the floor.

Five: A distance of 12,000 miles has given me the chance to upload and download cargo into my Tucson so that is the reasons for so much scraches.

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238000 · March 2005

In regard to the 50/50 4wd., did you complain to Hyundai? I'm scared to use it, since it seems overly complex, and the car does very well in snow without it. I have 1100 miles on my Tucson, and am very pleased with it, experiencing none of the problems that you mentioned. I wonder if the ESP works.

w2323 · March 2005

mp3 player works like this. You download music of the internet or you convert your dvds to mp3 format (free and easy to do). You can fit about 300 or more songs on one cd. Imagine playing all of your cds off one disk. MP3 auto player plays these cds directly.

maggie4 · March 2005

Just purchased the Tuscon yesterday. After going through the manual it made it sound like the 4WD wouldn't work on the beach in heavy sand. Has anyone taken their Tuscon off road or on the beach that could give me some feedback?

jayjay36 · March 2005

I also received a notice from my dealer that they have a free personalized web page for my Tucson. It would keep records of services completed, maintenance and recall information.
When I logged on to the page, I found my mileage listed. I have NOT brought it in for service yet, but they had my mileage listed as 1170. It seems very strange that it was very close to the actual mileage. Anyone else find this is happening?

pdc2 · March 2005

There is a recall news item dd. Mar. 31, which seems fairly serious. See the forums, suvs - hyundai tucson vs other crossovers/suvs.

Waiting for the actual recall notice might take some time.

alpine1 · March 2005

Your question was already asked and answered earlier in this forum. The mileage is just estimate.

lobo4 · March 2005

Guys:
I live in the northeast and I'm thinking of purchasing a 2005 LX 4WD with sunroof. The MSRP sticker price is $24,274. I asked the dealer (sales manager) to see the invoice on that particular model but he said he couldn't locate it. He said he had it written down on a paper in his office and showed me a figure of $23,235. He said he would deal for $23,335 or $100. above invoice. My trade is a 95 Pontiac Bonneville with an engine problem and the car must be towed to his dealership. He is giving me $200. for it and he will tow it at his expense. The total deal including tax is $24,812. Does this sound like it's a good deal or do you think I can do better. He claims this is the best he can do and let me walk out the door.

danf1 · March 2005

The key phrase there is that he let you walk out the door. No good salesperson is going to let you leave without your best price. It sounds good to me. $100 over invoice and 200 for a 10 year old car that doesn't run. I think its time to go back before they change their minds.

dc_driver · April 2005

Not sure where you live, but in the metro DC area you can pick up a loaded Tucson (leather, 4WD, sunroof, etc) for about 22,500 (including freight). Check out www.fitzmall.com

The prices on the Tucson have dropped over the past few months. The same dealer quoted me an LX for over 1K more back in November..

fushigi · April 2005

The price may or may not be good. Without seeing the actual invoice you really can't tell. Just conveniently having the invoice price writen in his office while conveniently not being able to locate the actual invoice sounds very suspicious to me.

rhopper · April 2005

Thank you for the earlier update about NHTSA recall on ESP and the need to recalibrate
same.

Strange that the recall notes it is expected to begin on 4-30-05??????

Called dealer this morning and it shows up on their computer, so, bringing my Tucson in
tomorrow at 1:30 cst.

Also, side point, purchased my LX FWD with everything to include an "$1,295 appearance package" that included gold emblems/stuff, bug shield, stripping, etc. Purchased after going back and forth on price, at $22,245.

Love this site as full of interesting and good information.

oneohthree · April 2005

Where can I get the best deal for a Hyundai Tuscon GLS V6 or LX in New Jersey?

delta4 · April 2005

March '05 sales figures have just been released and Hyundai's numbers are again gaining momentum over last year's YTD numbers. Surprisingly some well know brands aren't doing as well as you might think. click here to check out the details: http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/sales-cht12e_20050402.htm

307web · April 2005

I am a little surprised that they are outselling VW and Subaru, but I think they are stuck in their position forever (or will fall if VW sales increase) since the next one above is Nissan which has 3 times Hyundai's market share and is gaining.
Ford is the only automaker above Hyundai that is not increasing sales, so it is not possible for Hyundai to ever move from number 7 to number 6 or higher.

238000 · April 2005

I read about the Tucson recall on the Edmunds website. I then went to Google and brought up the Money Magazine article. They say that the Tucson and Kia Sportage are being recalled due to problems with the Elect. Stability Control - iit could cause the car to have an accident. I have had my Tucson about a month with 1250 miles. I called my dealer (Wile, Columbia, CT) and they asked if I had gotten notice from Hyundai - No, I hafdn't, They then looked up my Vin number and found that my Tucson came under the recall. I made an appointment to have the ESC reprogrammed since it is a Borg Wqarney system run by computer.
My appointment is Wednesday at 8 a.m. 4/6/05. About 38,000 Tucsons are involved in the recall, apparently not all. There is also a massive Mercedes recall.

Everybody beats up on Hyundai, but its O.K. when Mercedes and BMW have recalls.

batman47 · April 2005

I have received this information from www.hyundaiexchange.com:

Component: SUSPENSION:AUTOMATIC STABILITY CONTROL (ASC)

Potential Number Of Units Affected : 30558

Summary:
ON CERTAIN SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM (ESP), THE YAW RATE SENSOR MAY BECOME TOO SENSITIVE AND MAY RECALIBRATE INACCURATELY. WHILE DRIVING THE ESP PROGRAM MAY CAUSE THE ENGINE TO REDUCE POWER AND MAY CAUSE A BRAKE AT ONE OF THE WHEELS TO BE APPLIED WITHOUT BRAKE PEDAL APPLICATION BY THE DRIVER.

Consequence:
BRAKE APPLICATION CAUSED BY INDADVERTENT ESP ACTIVATION MAY RESULT IN A CRASH.

Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPROGRAM THE ESP HYDRAULIC ELECTRONIC CONTROL UNIT. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ON APRIL 30, 2005. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT HYUNDAI AT 1-800-633-5151.

Notes:
HYUNDAI RECALL NO. 068. CUSTOMERS CAN ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION?S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236.

B

238000 · April 2005

Thanks for the message. On the Hyundai Tucson, you can deactivate the stability
control feature by pressing a button on the dashboard. Is this ok to do? Who needs the stability control anyway - is it worth having if it is a hazard. If you drive conservatively, you should be o.k. In 57 years of driving all kinds of vehicles I never turned anything over. Also, have you had any experience with the 50/50 4-wheel drive with the Tucson?

307web · April 2005

Yes, you can just turn it off until it's repaired, then turn it back on.
It's better to have than not to have, but you don't need it unless certain conditions arise, just like you don't need airbags unless you crash.

xg350guy · April 2005

going backwards in 4 wheel drive causes the vehicle to seem to stop, like it is struggling to go or roll like it would if you took your foot of the brake and just let the vehicle roll without pushing the gas. Is this normal. It seems you have to actually press the gas, and then a little more, and then it moves backwards. Makes me a little nervous that something is going to produce a loud clunk, and then I'd S%$it my pants!

Forward seems no problem, but driving slow you notice that it is on. Seems to add labour to the drive line, but isn't that normal?

I drive with it off 99%, only tried it in foul weather, and maybe with better tires, it would seem real adventerous, but again I might try something stupid then and get myself in real problems.

One day I'll get bored and go beyond my normal habits, hey you might read about me!

batman47 · April 2005

At the end of my journey at Cape Cod, MA I took the car to a Hyundai dealership to address all the "problems" include re-call 068 concerning the Electronic Stability ControlI. I have been telling my experiences with this car in this forum.

Firstly, the service manager listened to the 'banging' noise that the car makes when reversing with the 4WD fully engaged. He said that this noise is not normal and "something going on here" his words. He also said that if it was his car he would have been back at the Dealers immediately. The service manager said that some Santa Fe's had this problem.

Secondly when driving forward, with the car in 4WD, and taking a curve it appears that the rear tyres are not in sincronization with the result that it appears that one side is breaking abnormally. This was also acknowledged by the service manager.

Thirdly, when the car is stationary but still engaged in 4WD, if the ignition is switched off the car shudders. This does not happenen when switching the ignition off if the car is not engaged in 4WD. This was witnessed by the service manager.

Fourth both leather front seats have a large wrinkle in each seat bottom. The service manager said that he is not sure if this is covered by the warranty but definitely will look at by having a second opinion with a leather specialist in Cape Cod. He said that this problem is not acceptable in a new car. The car has been booked for two days to address the problems above.

Fifth, In New Jersey and New York City, the roads have a tremendous number of potholes that are difficult to avoid. The car hit a number of these in populated roads. I had a pucture and had a flat tire the following day in the morning. I examined all the four tires and to my surprise the rear right tire coil suspension was out of place, out of its strut. This was witnesses by my partner, who suggested we take the car to a Hyundai dealership in New Jersey to get it checked out.. I went to this dealership by manouevering through these pot holes again. When the car was examined by myself and the service manager in this garage it seemed that the coil was once again accomodated in its pocket and appeared normal. However the manager said he would give it a thorough check and take it for a test drive, which he did but didn't find anything untoward.

I must say that the service I have received from these last two dealers has been very good and they have shown a lot of concern about my car.

I have also spoken with the sale manager about the prospect of selling the car to this dealership. They offered me $15,000 for the car either to buy it from me or as a part exchange.

B

delta4 · April 2005

307web you are surprised that Hyundai is outselling VW and Subarau? Really? Then you go on to say: "but I think they are stuck in their position forever (or will fall if VW sales increase) since the next one above is Nissan which has 3 times Hyundai's market share and is gaining. Ford is the only automaker above Hyundai that is not increasing sales, so it is not possible for Hyundai to ever move from number 7 to number 6 or higher."

I wonder why you believe that? What facts are you basing your comments on? The facts do not back-up what you stated. According to the North American sales figures in the last three years Hyundai's market share has not only grown but grown by double digits.

I know that it is difficult for many to believe that this manufacutrer has made a dramatic turnaround and comeback. I have to acknowledge that it was almost impossible for me to believe until I saw the actual sales numbers myself. Sales numbers are how auto manufacturers keep score regardless of whether we like one brand over another.

Recently GM and Toyota acknowleged that Hyundai is the biggest threat that they face in potential market share erosion. Just perform a Google on Hyundai+Toyota+GM and you will find articles in the auto industry that backs this up.

238000 · April 2005

Well, I had my Tucson reprogrammed this morning(4/6/05) to fix the stability control feature. I have had none of the porblems that you encountered but only have 1380 miles on the car. With the 50/50 four wheel drive, you aren't supposed to go over 19 mph with it but if you do, it is supposed to disengage automatically. I don't see when I'll ever need that feature, so will probably never take the chance to use it. So far, I think that it's a great car (The Tucson).

batman47 · April 2005

Twenty days or one month after I bought the car from Concord Hyundai, California I noted in this forum about a strong noise when the car was engaged in 50/50 4WD and reversing. Today the Hyundai garage at Cape Cod informed me that the car has a defective Differential and a brand new differential has to be ordered. The Service Manager said he feared that because the car is a new model the new part may not be available before I leave the USA next week..

I enquired about having a new car, the manager told me that that is impossible, too expensive and cumbersome to process and that is the main reason why Hyundai provides a comprehensive warranty. He also said that the part costs to Hyundai more than $2,000. He suggested not to engage the car in manual 4WD until the new differential is assembled. So you see I have driven this car 14,000 miles believing that I have a relaible ESC, and an intelligent chip that will enagage the 4WD if the car needed to redirect power to the the rear tires. Apparently none of this was true, I paid more money for these safety aspects so that I would have a safe journey across the USA (I knew that I would be going through a lot of mountains and possibly very bad weather).I was proned to suffer a serious accident, because I was not protected by the instrumentation that was supposedly there to protect me.In fact I am afraid to think what might have happened, I feel a bit cheated really although I still like the car.

When I bought the car I did not request a pre-delivery report from the dealer,although the dealer should provide with one. I wonder if this experience could be subject to a formal legal procedure to Hyundai, USA for the distress caused by this misfortune. Should I consult an attorney?

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mvls1 · April 2005

Excuse me, but I do not exactly understand why you would want to consult an attorney at this point. Hyundai is going to repair/replace the defective part and while inconvenient, it certainly is within their right according to the warranty. I would think that they should at least provide you with a loaner for any time you are without your vehicle, considering the circumstances. Too many people nowdays want to take legal action for everything under the sun. While sometimes it is justified, too often it serves to line the pockets of attorneys and greedy individuals, all at the expense of everyone else. Please do not take this the wrong way, as it may turn out that legal action could become necessary to resolve your situation. I sincerely hope it does not come to that, but Hyundai should at least have the opportunity to properly resolve the problem. If they cannot, then they are obligated to make you whole by replacing the vehicle or buying it back.

Remember BUSINESSES DO NOT PAY TAXES OR LEGAL EXPENSES, PEOPLE DO! Businesses simply ad these costs to their products (as a cost of doing business) and all of their customers (each of us) pay for it.

On another note, your trip sounded like a lot of fun and a great test for your Tucson. If you made it all the way without the stability/traction control, the Tucson must be engineered fairly well overall.

w2323 · April 2005

Well I'm sure in the fine printer Hyundai has their butt covered so I would not bother.

As far as all these new advanced features they put into cars, to me I'd rather just be driving a car that works reliably.

I could care less about airbags. People get permanently hurt from air bag deployment everyday. I know people that have broken chins, jaws etc from airbags. Now they have them on the side etc. Give me a break, whats next a butt airbag.

I could care less about antilock breaks, this to me is a big scam as well. They cost a fortune to fix and they help much.

ESC sounds like something new to me. I would never use 4wd in Florida so I would not want this feature.

Now the new thing is some kind of special transmission. I know the Kia has something that allows you to manually control an automatic or something. Saturn has a fancy smancy transmission as well. Why fix something that isn't broke. These fancy systems just tend to break more often. It's funny when the Kia sales guy showed me that the automatic could be moved to a position to make it act like a manual, he thought he was telling me something that was to my advantage. I thought god If I wanted a manual I'd buy a manual, something else to break. I just thought it was funny.

You can say there are cases where these help, but people have been driving for years without these features and they seem to be ok to me. They just add cost to autos, costs I'd rather not pay for.

Me and my wive drove the Kia Sportage 2005 and she thought it would tip over. Perhaps if they made these cars stable from the ground up they would not need
all these fancy electronics etc. They tend to make them look good then worry about the physics later.

dc_driver · April 2005

"I could care less about airbags. People get permanently hurt from air bag deployment everyday. I know people that have broken chins, jaws etc from airbags. Now they have them on the side etc. Give me a break, whats next a butt airbag.

I could care less about antilock breaks, this to me is a big scam as well. They cost a fortune to fix and they help much."

Yeah, and seatbelts can also leave some serious bruises and burn marks during accidents, so why don't you stop wearing them as well?

C'mon, are you serious? Go look at IIHS and the results of their real world side and frontal crash tests and then come back to me and tell me that airbags are useless. A Toyota RAV 4 with no side airbags gets the worst score possible. The same vehicle with side airbags gets the highest score possible. It does make a difference, and while I agree with you that airbags can cause injuries, they ultimately can save your life. I will take a broken jaw over a life threatening injury any day.

I do not even own a Hyundai/Kia, but I have to ask why in the world you bought one (SUV) if you did not want new safety features, advanced electronics, and have a fear of tipping over? Why not go with a station wagon, or a used vehicle that has none of the features that you dislike?

stever · April 2005

why you would want to consult an attorney at this point

The best time to consult a professional is well in advance of when you actually need one. No different from visiting a doc or dentist for a check-up, or more on topic, visiting your mechanic for regularly scheduled service instead of waiting till you break down on the road. It's debatable whether the circumstances here warrant it.

Batman47, I'm confused about your post - it sounds like you are leaving the US next week for good. If so, you are really going to have trouble getting warranty service.

Steve, Host

w2323 · April 2005

Seatbelts costs the consumer very little compared to airbags, also I think any study reguarding airbags are flawed. In that I doubt they actually take into account the accidents where airbags cause more harm then good. I have a strong feeling a lot of the data we get is skrewed one way. It's funny but I think one of the more important crash tests are the ones for the bumpers. It's hideous how badly manufactors design bumpers, and what gets damaged during a low speed crash.

I didn't think the Kia would tipover my wive thought it would, I like the SUV. Try to find a station wagon nowadays there aren't many available, and what are available are usually smaller (not even taking into account the height).

iluvmysephia1 · April 2005

I really like this new Kia Sportage for 2005. I am biased, though, just look at my nickname and the fact that I own a 2001 Kia Sportage 4x4. No, tipping over probably would not happen in an '05 Sportage. If you come at a turn at 75 mph and accelerate into it, you very well might, though. The '05 Sportage is supposed to be more carlike than my '01, so I would think that its feet are even more firmly planted on the ground than my '01's are. The '05 is more wagon-like and less SUV-like in it's handling performance.

delta4 · April 2005

w2323 that is one of the most bizarre statements that I have ever read. Anyone who believe this fallacy should also forget about using a VCR, riding in an aeroplane, using a modern day toaster, microwave, computer, refridgerator, etc. Why? they are all benefited by improvements in technology. For example before ABS was invented what was the purpose and benefit of having disc brakes compared to say drums? Without ABS how much more likely would one be able to quickly slow and stop a motor vehicle travelling at a high rate of speed? Do ABS actually prevent accidents or have they proven to be more effective in stopping cars quicker for example, from 60-0?

Or before seatbelts were invented and then required in the manufacture of automobiles why use them? Is it possible that airbags in conjunction with seatbelt use saves lives and reduces tragic disfigurement of human beings? Perform a google+seatbelts+airbags+accidents yourself and read about the life-saving statistics regarding these important safety devices. Auto-manual shift benefits the driver by giving him some autonomy over his vehicle by controlling how much or less on-demand power he may need. Stability and traction control technologies are used in airplanes, cars as well as trucks but before them why not skid all over the place without these devices and take your chances trying to brake and steer an out of control vehicle?

This is the kind of backward thinking tripe without grounded facts that gives some people erroneous unfounded beliefs about their own irrational fears of technology which then lends itself to ignorance about modern evolving technologies and it's benefits.

Is this twisted logic or techno-phobia? Maybe it's both!

dc_driver · April 2005

I disagree with you on the flawed data.. Airbags save lives, and this is not some fictional technology, they are the real deal. IIHS stands for (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety).. Now don't you think there is some validity into this whole airbag thing considering the fact that if you buy a vehicle with airbags, stability control, and ABS your insurance rates are lower? Why would the Insurance industry spend so much time and money testing vehicles and then offering lower rates for vehicles that had this technology than vehicles without? Because it is true, and not because it is skewed data, or fiction. The same can be said of ABS and stability control. I have owned eight vehicles in my life, some with ABS and airbags, and many without. I know that ABS make a difference (you can test this yourself), and have no doubt that airbags save lives. I will never buy another vehicle again that does not have front and side airbags, period.

If every car manufacturer makes them standard (like seatbelts) the price on the technology will drop due to competition (remember how much the first VCR, or DVD player cost?). I hope that you never have to experience the reality of any of the safety systems you purchased, but I would think that you would sleep a little easier at night knowing that you are more safe.

tidester · April 2005

If you perform a Google search on "airbag injuries" (without the quotes) you will get about 69,000 hits with a few informative items among them. It is clear that even today there are occasional problems with airbags so technophobia isn't a particularly compelling argument against those who have concerns. By and large, however, society has answered the risk-benefit question with the widespread acceptance of airbags.

In any case, the airbag issue isn't specific to the Tucson so let's move on and get back to the topic.

tidester, host

307web · April 2005

Without the quotes it is a very poor search to prove any point.
That means that is the results include those where injuries are not the result of airbags, the net injuries were reduced by airbags and also where the injuries were completely prevented by airbags.
There would also be a lot of results related to people putting small children and babies in the front seats of airbag-equipped vehicles.

tidester · April 2005

Without the quotes it is a very poor search to prove any point.

It wasn't intended to prove any point. It was intended to indicate that there may be another side. The point was that the issue is not suitable for the present topic which is the Hyundai Tucson.

tidester, host

xg350guy · April 2005

for a non techno filled car/suv actually lower than those for one with? I have not experienced this with my step up in cars (Sonata/XG350/Tucson) with the added safety appointed features and advancements. Albiet the cars cost/value usually went up as well, therefore my insurance costs did too. (That's were I think the relationship exists, that is, what you pay insurance wise is linked to what the car costs you to buy. Inheritly it costs you more money to be safe today.) Like I'm sure that a Volvo is cheaper to insure than a Yugo.

Now I know there is a relation between you the driver, the vehicles value, type and the rate, but is there proof that all this technology actually gives a cheaper rate than the same car without it? Are there cars/SUVs/VANs that are actually offered with and without these safe enhancements? Do their insurances costs differ? Which way up or down?

Are not all these can't live without safety features an adder to the overall vehicles cost anyway? Or do they throw them in for free, because someone told them they have to? If they survey the general public for color choice, and the sound of the exhaust note, why wouldn't they ask such questions regarding safety, peace of mind or are ya scared yet. Especially to the middle-aged, married with children, backbone of America types, money earners and money spenders, to see and instill what is and what should be important to them. Don't most people, who have assets to lose, think or feel a little scared or wonder if today is the day they'll have a car accident, because they drive too much, and walk less, or not ride their bikes enough? Is a major portion of the general buying and able to pay public, convinced that they will be involved in some mishap out of their control somewhere, someday, sometime in their lifetime? Enough to constantly pay for a little security blanket or perhaps airbag, even national security? Are these all not some sort of idea, method or the beginings of some higher powers (Gov/Insur/Auto/Oil&Gas Co.s) ability to offer, promote, even force you to pay more for something that either may or may not ever happen to you in your lifetime? Just because your convinced?

I don't know. I'm really sitting on a fence with this one, people, maybe cause I'm Canadian, drink 5% beer and don't worry, just be happy. Cause I still don't know what the heck my Tucsons rated at safety wise (only that it's recalled for some SVS sensor), probably don't really care either, because if a six airbag technology enhanced Honda Odysey gets 5 stars, and a two airbag, technology deficient Kia Sedona gets 5 stars as well, and one costs 50 grand, and one costs 30 grand, and one supposedly sips gas while the other slurps it. That's like 20 grand of extra ddough. Hey, maybe I'll like buy a security system for the house and get a reduction on my house insurance, eh!

jayjay36 · April 2005

I have 1,400 miles on my Tucson LX. The other day I noticed an indentation formed in the center of the hood just in front of the window washer nozzles. I thought a branch or something might have fallen on it. Two days later I got an addition indentation in line with the other one but toward the driver side. I am sure nothing hit the hood while it was parked. I was wondering if anyone else had a problem similar to this. I think it might be some kind of metal fatigue. I noticed it happened on days where the temperature got in the high 60's and the metal was hot.
Any ideas besides someone is hitting the hood while I'm not around.
Mileage has gone up from 17 to 21.

238000 · April 2005

Well, I have 1550 mile son my Tucson and have not noticed any fatigue lines. I did jam my cd player and the dealer fixed it for free by removing the radio assembly and taking the cd out. I can't blame the car, I did this to myself. I've been consistently getting about 20 mpg around town.Should be better on the highway.

shane1v · April 2005

JayJay36, 23800, everyone...PLEASE always tell exactly what type of Tucson you have especially when mentioning MPG. We need to know V6 or 4, & also if AWD or FWD.
Thanks!

Hyundai Tucson

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