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Toyota Tundra vs. Nissan Titan
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Maybe if Nissan was not in such a big hurry to put the Titan out, they could have perfected the minor details and upgraded the interior a little to be presentable.
Why is everyone so in love with certain brands?
Thank you for your opinions also, gkatz1...I'm sure the sequoia is what everyone should drive...They're the nicest vehicles ever!
prozacaddicct is prob. a pharmaceutical salesman...lol
And didn't Toyota's "extensively tested" 4.7 V8 have a sludge problem?
And do I hear the whole world laughing in your face?
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the titan has a sprayed on bedliner, c-channel tracks, 200 lb. cleats, tailgate lights, 12-volt power outlet, etc...
how is it lacking again???
also, you said: "and such can be added to standard beds likewise."
at what cost? less than the nissan option? dont think so, pal.
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1. It guzzles gas like there's no tomorrow. Towing is painful on the wallet. I mean I knew going from the v6 to the v8 would impact mpg, but come on.
2. Getting in and out of the thing without running boards is a challenge. The captain chairs sit high & seem cheaply made. I wonder how long it will take for them to break down from normal entering/exiting the vehicle.
3. Higher bed: To get stuff out of the bed, there is no other way but to get up in it. Forget accessing a toolbox or rolling up a tonneau cover. The added 3 1/2" while nice certainly impacts simple daily chores.
4. Brakes. I have read all the reviews and didn't really pick up on it during my test drives, but IMO the braking system is underdesigned. I've experienced some serious brake fade. I've talked to the dealer about it, read the tundra websites, etc. etc. etc. But if I knew the manual recommended electric trailer brakes for towing over a 1,000 lbs, I would have never bought this truck. Now, I am not towing anything but a 10ft enclosed snowmobile trailer. When on the road, in snow, I want my brakes to be there, not fade. I towed with my old V6, didn't need electric brakes. I towed with my 02 Explorer V6 and didn't need electric brakes. What gives? Poor design imo. They work ok if you tooling around town or doing the weekend recycling trip. Oh, and I went and test drove 4 other tundras after experiencing the fade. They all do it.
My neighbor got a Titan and by the looks of things I must say I'm jealous. Toyota seems to nickel and dime you for certain options which drives the price up. Ford, Nissan, Chevy don't. I'm giving myself a year with this 04 DC, but don't see me sticking with it like my old Toyota truck. It'll be either Nissan, Ford, or Chevy. Just my two cents.
1. It guzzles gas like there's no tomorrow. Towing is painful on the wallet. I mean I knew going from the v6 to the v8 would impact mpg, but come on.
2. Getting in and out of the thing without running boards is a challenge. The captain chairs sit high & seem cheaply made. I wonder how long it will take for them to break down from normal entering/exiting the vehicle.
3. Higher bed: To get stuff out of the bed, there is no other way but to get up in it. Forget accessing a toolbox or rolling up a tonneau cover. The added 3 1/2" while nice certainly impacts simple daily chores.
4. Brakes. I have read all the reviews and didn't really pick up on it during my test drives, but IMO the braking system is underdesigned. I've experienced some serious brake fade. I've talked to the dealer about it, read the tundra websites, etc. etc. etc. But if I knew the manual recommended electric trailer brakes for towing over a 1,000 lbs, I would have never bought this truck. Now, I am not towing anything but a 10ft enclosed snowmobile trailer. When on the road, in snow, I want my brakes to be there, not fade. I towed with my old V6, didn't need electric brakes. I towed with my 02 Explorer V6 and didn't need electric brakes. What gives? Poor design imo. They work ok if you tooling around town or doing the weekend recycling trip. Oh, and I went and test drove 4 other tundras after experiencing the fade. They all do it.
My neighbor got a Titan and by the looks of things I must say I'm jealous. Toyota seems to nickel and dime you for certain options which drives the price up. Ford, Nissan, Chevy don't. I'm giving myself a year with this 04 DC, but don't see me sticking with it like my old Toyota truck. It'll be either Nissan, Ford, or Chevy. Just my two cents.
Part 2: any challenges buying in Nevada/Arizona, and registering in California?
I got a great deal on a Tundra DC, while Nissan refused to go below sticker. I won't be hauling any horse trailers, etc., but I do alot of traveling, camping, etc. The only things I would change on my Tundra DC would be the front seats and gas mileage.
I love my Toyotas for their reputation and durability. By the way, what did you end up paying for the DC? My sticker was a hair above 39,000 and I got it for 34,800.
I like the Tundra, but I choose/would choose again, the Titan because even though the dimensions show the Tundra being the same or bigger, it isn't on the inside. You have much more room in the Titan. As to the engine noise, this is a truck and most people want the great sounding engine noise in the Titan. It was designed that way.
The main thing the Tundra doesn't have, IMO, is the flexibility to handle heavy duty tasks. The stronger engine and frame in the Titan allows me to pull much more than the Tundra. When I buy a vehicle, I like the room to expand, so if I am not towing a travel trailer or boat now, I might be in 2-4 years and I don't want to purchase a new truck. Obviously this only works to a degree, but the titan allows for more.
As to the Toyota quality - it is normally A-1 in all its vehicles, but i have heard grumblings that the present Tundra isn't up to the same standard and they have had some problems.
Over-all, though, the Toyota would be my second choice and I like it.
As an aside, I was able to get my dealer to drop $1000 off MSRP and throw in quite a few few extras.
Then we will see what your opinion about the Titan is at that time.
It is fine that you might like room to expand and grown down the road (as far as the titan goes, for now), but my job allows me to purchase a new vehicle if I am planning on doing any expanding say 2-4 years down the road, so I have the luxury of purchasing a new vehicle as tasks present. As for now, the 2004 DC I have on order will do more than I need it to do at this time. By the time I might grow and expand, lets say pulling a travel trailer or boat, then Toyota will have there new Tundra out at that time which will obviously pull more and have more HP and Torque than the present Tundra.
Now, I could have waited and haggled for the next 6 months with Nissan (and ordered, too) for the Titan. But, after my wife and I drove each, we liked the ride of the Tundra. Apparently we appreciate the ride quality more than the towing ability. I also noticed more engine noise meeting a Titan in the other direction yesterday (now THAT is too noisy for me).
(I will take my foot off the gas as I pass you so I don't bother you and your wife's tranquility in the Tundra! :-))
All joking aside; Enjoy your new Tundra!
*The DC is 5 inches longer than the titan (230.1" vs. 224.2")
*The DC is wider overall than Titan (79.3" vs. 78.8")
* The DC has longer wheel base than Titan (140.6" vs. 139.8")
*More head room than Titan (41.2" vs. 41.0")
*Tundra's back seats are set at a posture-friendly angle of 24 degrees
*The DC is 1st in its class for rear power vertical sliding window.
*The DC is 1st in its class for rear-pilar mounted AC/Heater vents.
Anyway, use the internet, etc. to locate best deals. But, be wary of excess additions to price (ie Toyoguard, and excessive doc. fees, etc.). Plus, try the end of the month (when vehicles may reach into the holdback).
I truly believe with the "rage" of the Titan, etc. (I bet you like that Keanec), Tundra prices may start dropping(?)with negotiation. Plus, I will be my luck a rebate pops up pretty soon, too.
As for Edgex, I think the bed is great on the Tundra and climbing in and out is perfect is fine. Maybe it is because I am 6'2". My last Tundra had a stepboard on it, and it actually got in the way getting in and out. I also hope you are wrong about the brakes, Edg. I will keep my fingers crossed.
And the Titan also has a 24 degree rear seat.
It all means that the Tundra is a bigger outside truck, but smaller inside.
Exactly what brand of spray-in does Nissan use?
Some people have said they don't like it because it is much thinner than a Rhino or other aftermarket and they figure it might not be as strong against dents. I guess being thinner it wouldn't make the dimensions of the box smaller, although this would be a very small advantage. Also, it is computer sprayed so the consistency would be better than having a person spray it.
I got it with my Titan but I really didn't have any choice. It comes standard on the SE in Canada (as does the utility system).
It was developed out of a need for high bed protection but also compatibility with the company's tie-down channel system.
The bedliner is applied after the truck has been painted and resists gauging by tools, shovels or sharp objects placed in the truck. Since it has a non-skid surface, bed cargo will not move around during transit.
Because it does not "sit" on top of the bed, rust will not develop beneath it like traditional drop-in bedliners, it also avoids road noise and vibration and dampens sounds unlike drop-in units.
The weatherproof bedliner is factory applied and therefore warranted by Nissan. The company plans to sell repair kits in the event something does scratch or gouge the bedliner.
Now dont get me wrong, I have a Toyota DC on order and I love the Toyota over the Titan, I am just posting this for Titan fans benefit