Shootout! Tundra vs Silverado

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  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Shame! Guess I over-estimated you too.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    Just a hunch I be havin' for a long time now.


    Sorry if I'm wrong.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Apology accepted. We not a be growin' no butter beans or tobacco. And I always a be postin' as quad, no matter that this here grammar be a sharin' that pumpkin with the other. One person, one opinion, always.

    Good luck on this one now!
  • f220swiftf220swift Member Posts: 103
    You been loosen me latley. Dont understand what the heck youall been talken about. There is only Chevy and Ford. Just to let ya know, I went ought and bought a Savage 308tact. Not bad, working up a load and for the money it is darn tootin ok!
    -Swift
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    I knew I overestimated you the minute you started ending your posts with "Good luck on this one now".
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    See! Ain't no missburg!
  • dbhulldbhull Member Posts: 150
    The only thing overestimated around here is that new Tundra ya got now.


    Good luck on this one now.
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Them top 10 sellers now:

    #1 Ford F series
    #2 Chevy Silverado
    #3 Dodge ram
    #4 Ford Ranger
    #5 Chevy S10
    #6 GMC Sierra
    #7 Dodge Dakota
    #8 Tacoma
    #9 Frontier
    #10 Tundra

    Good luck on this one now!
  • ford250ford250 Member Posts: 25
    Doesn't tundra stand for ten so the tundra is in the right spot on the list in last place.
  • superjim2000superjim2000 Member Posts: 314
    Doesnt tundra mean cold and uninviting?
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    post 124-127 go??
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Good luck on this one now!
  • ronnukeronnuke Member Posts: 3
    I test drove and nearly bought the 2000 Toyota Tundra Access cab Limited but when I put my 13 year old daughter in the back seat, her knees were touching the back of the front seats. The reason I was in the market for a new truck was that we had outgrown our 1996 Toyota Tacoma Ext. cab. The rear seating in the Tundra was not much better than what I was trying to replace, so I went down to the Chevy dealer and was thoroughly impressed by the 1999 Silverado. It had much more interior room in all aspects, and was much more comfortable. It had more towing and payload capacity, and a more powerful engine. I realized the difference in 0-60 speed (advantage Tundra) was due to the higher gear ratio of my Z71 (3.73 Vs. 3.55 in the Tundra) You have to sacrifice some things for towing capacity. Chevy won me over. I am now the proud owner of a 1999 Chevy Silverado 5.3l Z71 with AutoTrac (a feature not available on the Tundra) have been for about a year now and have not been sorry. I am just glad I brought my daughter along or I would have made a big mistake. (At least for my needs)
  • cessnajimcessnajim Member Posts: 2
    I test drove the demo 4wd Tundra back in May of '99 here in central NC. It was a beautiful truck, but the back seat was a joke - at least for anyone over 4ft. tall. I had to see it before I bought my '99 Silverado - which my wife, 15yo daughter & 2 yo son fit in just fine. Plenty of room for everyone's junk. Toyota quality sure is nice, but they were awful proud of it, and weren't dealing.
    I've had most of the problems as other Silverado owners, but mine seems to be ok now, at 23,000mi. Still well worth the money - and a huge step up from my '89 Nissan 2wd ext cab!
    Enjoy your trucks ! Don't forget to check out truckautoaccessories.com to rid yourself of the autoheadlamp blues.
    Cheers
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    I hate to blow your theory about the difficulty of putting paint on plastic, but it looks like the hood of the Silverado is not plastic afterall. It is metal.
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Looks like that plastic hood be just another yuppie rumor. The yuppie, not knowin the fact on these things, be guessin on this and that. Aint it funny how them yuppies now be thinkin they got the knowin on them trucks? All they really be knowin is that them trucks be the lastest yuppie fad too be chasin on. Good luck on this one now!
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    Wow! You have set a record! You used the word "yuppie" four times in five sentences.

    Those yuppies are EVIL. You have to keep an eye on them. They are always spreading rumors, blowing smoke, they don't know any facts, they always are chasing the latest fad. I'll bet a yuppie might be dating your sister (or your mother).

    Its a good thing that neither of us know any yuppies. They are EVIL. Everyone knows that yuppies don't buy Chevies. Only hicks like you buy chevies. I hear that Chevy dealers make Chevy buyers take a test, and if they have better than a second grade education - they refuse to sell them the truck!

    I think that all yuppies should be rounded up and put into concentration camps. Thats where those no-goods belong. Or maybe they should be sold into slavery. It would serve them right. Those yuppies are EVIL.

    Its a shame that yuppies designed the Chevy. They should fire them all and let hicks design them. It would be a much better truck.

    Wait a minute! You blow smoke all the time! You twist the facts! You don't know the facts! You chase the latest fad! Hicksrme, you are a yuppie! (A yuppie with low self-esteem). Better stop smoking that bottom leaf - its bad for you.
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Ya aint got the knowin of the comin sense now. Kinda like that math ya be usin. Good luck on this one now!
  • rooster9rooster9 Member Posts: 239
    When GM's trucks come with the composite bed, are they gonna paint the outside of the bed to match the other paint on the truck, or are they gonna match the plastic color to the paints? I personally think it would be next to impossible to match the glossiness of the paint with any plastic.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    I don't know if it's going to be a problem. The front and rear clips and bumper covers on vehicles have been plastics or fiberglass for years.
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Them tractors been usin plastics now for years. They aint got no troubles with em. Good luck on this one now!
  • superjim2000superjim2000 Member Posts: 314
    Isnt the 'Vette plastic (fiberglass)? Every Vette I've seen looks good.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    I got these facts from the May '00 issue of Motor
    Trend. They did a comparison of "full size"
    pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy
    Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1 gears (which by the way is only rated to tow 8000lbs).
    They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8
    and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra
    Access Cab V8.

    You would think that this would be a mismatch.
    The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear
    seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.

    Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:

    "And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of
    overall performance and sophistication - on road
    and off - we have to say Tundra."

    This seems pretty unambiguous doesn't it? They
    made no mention of the Tundra being anything other
    than full size. You can call the Tundra
    "mid-size" if you want. The fact is: your
    "full-size" pickups have just been beat.
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    What else are they going to say? They already named it their "Truck of the Year". Are they going to say, "well it's only been a few months since we said Toyota is the best truck, but now we feel Ford/Chevy/Dodge is the winner"? No way. Of course they are going to say the Tundra is the winner. They wouldn't contradict themselves so quickly. That would look foolish.
    Notice: This is not a Toyota bash. I love Toyota products, but come on, Motor Trend's opinion is almost worthless. I do put some stock in their numbers, i.e. performance numbers, but I can make up my own mind as to which car truck or whatever I think is the best.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    You are in DENIAL big time!
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    One of the reasons that most of these tests are useless are prior bias of the testers/writers. Another is the fact that they never test comparably equiped trucks. Look at the cub weights, trim packages, engines, etc... I don't believe that I have ever seen a test with all the trucks having a comparable rear end ratio. Motor Trend prints thiers and some of the performance numbers suddenly begin to make sense. I e-mailed consumers reports because the did not include that information in thier test and they are not at all comparable.

    There is good information to be gained from reading these publications as long as you can see through the flaws.
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    What part of that "full size" aint ya folks gettin
    now? Folks be quotin this and that from them
    magazines but that truth be them tundras be from
    25% too 32% smaller than them big3 ones. What part of that 1/4 too 1/3 smaller part aint ya folks gettin? Them that work em, be needin a "full size" one, the yuppie, who be usin em too "haul" grocerys and such has no worry on this. Good luck on this one now!
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    bamatundra
    You're seeing things they way YOU want to see them. Those are the facts? Dont' know about the rest of you, but I saw an magazine's opinion....

    Who's in denial?
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    In denial of what? I own a Cruiser. I love that thing. I wouldn't trade it for anything. As a said before, I like Toyota products, but seriously though. Motor Trend's opinion? Not worth the paper it's printed on. You are the one in denial. Who cares if it is fullsize. It doesn't haul significantly more, it tows less, has less performance, worse gas mileage, and you have to pay more for the thing. Does all of that outweigh the better quality, (or presumed quality)? Maybe. It does to me, that's why I don't own one. I just can't figure out what I am denying....
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Bama, you made identical posts in 3 topics now. Can't you come up with anything original? I thought you were a yuppie, but since that implies upward mobility, I think you are a PRE-yuppie. Nevertheless, you have a serious, serious case of full-size envy, particularly Silverado ENVY. And with good reason. It's faster than your truck, tows more, hauls more, and gets better fuel mileage, along with all the other reasons. Save yourself some aggravation and trade yours now. Of course you will be upside down, owing more than it's worth for 3-4 more years.
  • superjim2000superjim2000 Member Posts: 314
    Couldnt have said it better myself.
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Aint he suffered enough just buyin that limited one? Remember, that factory tricked him with that Math! He thought he was gettin him a "full size" one now. Good luck on this one now!
  • rooster9rooster9 Member Posts: 239
    Did you check out that new high performance quad from Yamaha? It's called the Raptor, a 660cc 5 valve liquid cooled engine. It's pretty cool.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    I'm sorry for my previous post to you. I was out of line. It just seemed to me that you were commenting on an article that you had not read.

    The Tundra does not cost more than the Silverado. Read the article. The Silverado slightly out-accelerates and out-tows the Tundra, but it needed 4.1 gears to do it. The Tundra out-brakes the Silverado.

    Quad - OOOH! a pre-yuppie! That's a good one. It seems that you and hicksrme spend a lot of time in Tundra only topics bashing Tundras. I have never seen a Tundra owner post a bash in a Silverado only topic. Who has the envy?
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    No offense taken. I get a little fired up myself sometimes. I agree with most of what you say, especially about the gearing, braking, fit-and-finish, etc. The only thing I don't exactly agree with is the quality issues. Yes, it is probably another quality product in line with all the other Toyota/Lexus products, BUT we'll have to wait 5-10 years to really know for sure. As for the article, I did read it and as I remember the Ford only had 3.55's. That put it at a bad disadvantage, but it still held pretty close. In fact in an earlier Truck Trend article, when the Ford and Chevy had equal gearing, the Ford smoked it. But that's another story. The thing you have to realize is that 99% of people who read those articles never look at things like rear-end gear or tire size, and Motor Trend knows it.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    Good point on gearing and tires. Many people look at the rear end gear and forget about the tire size. In the truck trend 4x4 shoot out the Ford was at a disadvantage - it had tires that were almost the same (as in revolutions per mile or how many times the wheel must be turned to equal one mile)as the Silverado but much higher rear end. If you take both of these factors into account it was at a 13 % disadvantage when compared to the Silverado and a 12% disadvantage with the Tundra.

    The Tundra VS Silverado (with 4.1) was much closer when you consider the larger tires (revs per mile) and lower rear end the Silverado has a little over 1% advantage. If the Silverado has the 3.73 rear end it would be at an 8% disadvantage to the Tundra. And this does not even take the differences of tranny gearing into account.

    Bamma - bottom line is the 4.1 gears and 265 75 tires on the Silverado is a better (closer) comparison to the Tundra (with 3.91 gears and 265 70 tires) than the 3.73 rear end. I know you have trouble with math so you will just have to trust me on this. Bigger tires effectively raise your final drive ratio.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    I know my handle is Quadrunner500, and I do own one, but I'm really not into quads that much. My wife loves to scoot around on it, and she flys. I have more of a utility purpose in mind, towing a little trailer, rocks, fence building supplies, etc.

    About this new Yamaha...sounds like a rocket. They already had Grizzly, 600 cc, but sounds low tech compared to Raptor. You are the first I've heard of it. Is this a 4x4, or 2wd rocket ship? Automatic, or manual shifter? Sounds neat.

    I get my most enjoyable entertainment from a DR350 off road motorcycle. I try to get my wife to follow me down easy trails with a cooler strapped to the rack, but she won't do it....
  • rooster9rooster9 Member Posts: 239
    We have 4 fourwheelers, one for each of the family members. My mom has a new one ordered, the new Honda Rubicon with the 500cc liquid cooled engine and beltless automatic transmission. My parents both have a utility machine like yours, and my brother and I have a sport machine. My bro and I will hop on the 4x4's for mud riding or riding through the snow in winter.

    This new Yamaha Raptor is a high performance machine. It has a 660cc liquid cooled 5 valve four stroke engine. Reverse and electric start. 2 wheel drive. Manual clutch 5 speed. Over 9 inches of front suspension travel and near 9 in the back. It's gonna be the machine to beat in my opinion. Should sneak by the Bombardier DS650, and take the Honda 400EX easily in a drag race.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    I haven't heard either you or hicksrme admit that you were wrong about the Chevy vs. the Tundra turning radius. At least I admit when I am wrong.

    You seem to think that you are some sort of math wiz. I have a problem for you: The following statement is incorrect - "25% too 32% smaller than them big3 ones."

    How is it incorrect? What is the correct answer?
  • dbhulldbhull Member Posts: 150
    Quit crying.
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Ya keep on with that turnin radius now. Is that turnin radius why them ones be costin so much? Reckin this be that "feature" that be makin them ones so vaulable too the yuppie. It must be somethin, with folks payin "full size" prices for a "pint size" one. Good luck on this one now!
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    Actually, I'm laughing. At you.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    Should be "Them Big 3 ones are 25 - 32% larger then them Tundras"

    Turning radius I quoted was from Motor Trend - If they are incorrect then my post was wrong. I will admit the first few days driving the Silverado it was a little hard to maneuver, I was use to driving a compact truck. I think I would feel the same way about any new car/truck the first few days of driving, you know - getting to know how close you are to the car next to you on a tight road. Now it seems normal - and I have no problem fitting into tight parking places. I see little old ladies driving F-250 Superduties and they don't seem to have any problem - so If a Full size truck is too hard for you to handle then stay with the midsize Tundra -
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    That mid-size Tundra just beat your so-called "full-size" Chevy. Man! Chevies are sure wimpy - "full-size" and still gets its clock cleaned by a "mid-size". You should compare your Chevy to a Dakota - it would be closer.

    I got these facts from the May '00 issue of Motor
    Trend. They did a comparison of "full size"
    pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy
    Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1
    gears(which by the way is only rated to tow 8000lbs).
    They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8
    and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra
    Access Cab V8.

    You would think that this would be a mismatch.
    The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear
    seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.

    Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:

    "And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of
    overall performance and sophistication - on road
    and off - we have to say Tundra."
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    It be funny how them that work them trucks be pickin them big3 ones. Reasons be plain for folks too "see". The yuppie, he be readin this and that, things like "car like ride", and "shiney" and such. The yuppie aint got the knowin on it, and aint quite getin the meaning of them words "full size", so with that smoke in them eyes, he blindly be buyin into them tundras now. Suddenly the yuppie be that "expert" on them trucks, least till that fad be passin on. Good luck on this one now!
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    OK - I answered your stupid question now you do the same for me. (answer my stupid questions)

    1. Do you (not Motor Trend or some Toyota hater), but you consider the T-100 to be full size?

    2. How much larger is the Tundra than the T-100?

    3.What is the EPA class size listed for the Tundra? What about the Silverado? (hint look in the Motor Trend mag you have been quoting from it will tell you.

    4. Also from the Motor Trend mag - which truck was described as -"____ offers reasonable leg room, but more limited head room, and its bolt upright rear seat cushion reminds us of a park bench"

    These questions will be hard for you because they involve some math skills and also some judgement but do the best you can. Don't feel embarrassed about your answers because most of the other readers on Edmunds know the correct answers already, I just want to find out what you know.

    Hint- Look up T-100 specs - compare to Tundra specs - look at wheel base, leg room, hip room, bed size.
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    That bama struggles with that Math now. Dont be askin no questions that have too be doin with that Math, lessin ya want the wrong answer back on it. Good luck on this one now!
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    You have been posting incorrectly "25% too 32% smaller than them big3 ones." This is incorrect. The correct answer is actually 20% to 25% smaller. Better check your numbers before you bash.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    You answered my math question. It is good that you realize that hicksrme made a math error. Evidently he doesn't.

    1. What does the T100 have to do with the price of tea in China? Reminder: this topic is "Tundra vs Silverado"

    2. See above.

    3. According to you and the EPA the Silverado is the ONLY "full size" 1/2 ton pickup. You claim that Tundra but Ford F150 and Dodge Ram 1500 aren't "full size" . I know this to be absurd. You should also. Motor Trend posted the EPA size class - nothing more.

    4. The Silverado does have a larger rear seat. I have never questioned that. There are other considerations. If you bought a house the way you buy trucks, you would be living in a barn and bashing all homeowners because their houses are smaller than your barn.

    "And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of overall performance and sophistication - on road and off - we have to say Tundra." May '00 Motor Trend.
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    "And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms
    of overall performance and sophistication - for the yuppies - we have to say Tundra." Good luck on this one now!
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