I paid less than 27k for a nearly fully loaded 2000 F150 Lariat, Extended cab, 4WD, 5.4l, 3:55ls, tow, off road, etc. A 2WD anything that costs 27k is outrageous.
My truck has 705 miles, only filled it up once, and it still has 1/2 tank left of that. At a 26 gallon tank, that is 18 mpg.
I can only speak of the F150 I own. It is smoother than the Silverado I had which I was quite content with as far as engine smoothness. The 150 is as quiet and smooth as any sports car I have driven. Actually it is too smooth. I prefer a little rumble from under the hood to remind me of why it is tougher and faster than any other 1/2 ton on the road.
Not bashing. Just stating that if you use the logic you shared, buying what one prefers or is best suited to the individual, how can you claim these things to be factual. I can share plenty of Tundra faults with you, but I am sure you have heard them all before from the 15 to 1 big three owners out there.
I have only had my Silverado for about 6 weeks and about 2000 miles. It is a LS 5.3 2wd 3.73 gear. Additions are Edelbrock IAS shocks, air bags with compressor, and a Techonsha brake control. So far I have had no problems. Drivetrain and truck is very smooth at all speeds. I've had it up to 80 and I can't sense any vibration at all. Certain concrete slab freeways, pot holes, and rough roads remind me I am driving a truck. Fit and finish is very good. I haven't found any flaws. Hooked up my 26' trailer with superslide which probably weighs in the neighborhood of 7000 - 7500 lbs wet and loaded. No launch shudder, seems to be much more stable than using the Yukon. I'm sure the longer wheelbase helps here. I tow in third gear, and the only complaint I might have is torque is a little lacking, but 2nd seems real strong 4000rpm @ 55mph, getting right in the power range for the tougher grades. Vacation time is getting very close. Glad the air works as well as it does. It was 105 today. Time to head to cool country.
I am sorry. I really was never throwing numbers or claiming factual responses. I was only claiming what I found driving multiple vehicles back to back. You are right it is an individual decision and I agree you could find as many faults with the Tundra that I could find with the 150. I have no reason to find those faults or point them out to you as I really have no reason to try to make you feel like you made a bad decision, which I do not think you did. I was simply stating the "FACTS" as they pertain to me only. I was only stating these things in defense of all those people who feel they have to try and make me feel as if I made a bad choice, which I did not. There are a lot of people on these boards who offer good discussion, good information and the occassional funny remark or chide, but there are far too many who either have serious buyers remorse, truck envy in general, or are preaching from the book according to "____________" enter truck manufactuer here.
I am glad you love your truck and I am glad you are getting as good a MPG as you are getting. One fact is, and I can shop for cars, the Lariats when I was shopping were well over what I paid for my Tundra. Nashville is Ford country and they just don't do a whole hell of a lot of dealing.
I still think don't like the Triton engines. I don't know why and I am not bashing their performance I just don't like the way they feel and sound. Again, that is just me and I am more inclined to be a Chevy guy when it comes to domestics anyway so maybe it is just a little Vortech brand loyalty rearing its ugly head. I dunno. I also feel that my Tundra 4.7 is smoother and more usable at all RPMs than any of the other engines. Now were I to have to yank a big stump out of the ground,....I would probably go with Ford or Chevy Duramax.
Thanks for stating your points in non combative my truck is better then your truck manner.
No problem. We chose what we chose for "our" own reasons. I won't condemn you for your choice. Might rib ya now and then, but only because, for me, the Ford F150 is the best 1/2 ton truck.
I don't see any reason out there why anyone wouldn't see here now that their's only one truck here now that would beat any truck out there here. That be the F-150. The only truck here now that comes close is the Chevette and that here be breakin' down too much. Ford is #1, and I don't mean to brag but I saw a 4x2 Ford F-150 next to a TRD SR-22 Tundra and the 4x2 Ford was at least twice it's size.
Funny how no Tundra owner has tried to compare their Tundra's to my here F-150 cause they do understand now that they didn't buy the best truck for the buck, but just a Toyota quality vehicle here now. Toyota makes good trucks but if you need or want to own a full size truck here you best be going with them F-150's cause the Tundra's there now are nice but they aren't much bigger than them Taco's that are about the size of the S-10's that are just a bit smaller now there than the Ram's little son.
I've got pretty thick skin, that and I really don't give a damn what a Ford driver thinks, Just kidding. So far I am pretty impressed with Fords latest lineup. Supercrew, Sporttrac, Expedition, New Taurus. I think the Excretion is a little over the top for your average soccer mom but hey those things just plain scare me on the road being driven by some 4'10" person who has size inadaquacy(SP) problems. I also think they killed the Mustang's looks. I really liked the last design.
Like you said your Ferd is the best truck going. My Yota has yet to do me wrong. I guess one of us will have to "blow a head gasket" or get a bad case of "Piston slap" or something before we are on here extoling the virtures of the other. Fact is they all have problems and I am just as likely to be in the shop as you are. I just feel a bit more secure in my perception of Toyota reliability and the fact that it has a 5/60 Warr. built into it. I know I paid for this upfront in the price but I would have paid for it or more for any of the big three also.
I think there is one thing we can all agree on no matter what we drive....there is never enough torque to go around.
You mention the A/C in your Silverado. I have to say two things I don't think about much in my Tundra that are exceptional are the Air cond. and Heat. I could hang meat with the air on full blast and in the winter the heat could cook brisket. I like the Silverado's redesigned ventalation system, quiet too.
A couple of people on other forums have complained about the heat in their Tundra's not being that great. I have determined there is either something horribly wrong or they were born just east of Hell.
now here are ruled by me and my Ford now. 2 time golden glove winner when I was 16 you see in Tennessee. Many of folks there tried to fight me, and I must let them swing first cause you be getting arreessted now if you through them first punch it's the dedly weapon hands thing now you see.
I got this from the May '00 issue of Motor Trend. They did a comparison of "full size" pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1 gears(which by the way is only rated to tow 8000lbs).
They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8 and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra Access Cab V8.
"And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of overall performance and sophistication - on road and off - we have to say Tundra."
I appreciate your polite request, but I have never posted the above to this topic before. If anyone(including you) has seen the above post before - it was not in this topic.
Why don't you post some links to favorable articles about the Chevy? I would like to see them. This is Tundra vs. Silverado after all.
Come on. You know people who visit this site visit many many different threads. I am sure that there are several favorable articles about the Chevy out there. I use the articles for their statistics and nothing else. Their opinions are worthless. They stats have to be carefully considered, too. If I'm trying to determine acceleration, let's say, I have to consider the rear-end gear and tire size, because the clowns who write those articles never seem to take that into consideration. If they do, they don't put it in the text. They just say something like "the Tundra felt like the quickest of the trucks we tested", but they don't mention that it has a 3.92 rear-end and the Ford had 3.23's. Of course the Tundra would feel snappy. A 6-cylinder would feel snappier with that much of a gearing advantage. You see my point, I'm sure.
What woke you up? Why do you think we care about your opinions? If the Tundra is the best truck for you, you can buy one when you are old enough! That is if TOY-ota is still building that size truck. They might have realized their error and started building a FULL SIZE truck by then!
Gotribe - "Why do you think we care..." Who is we? Is gotribe1 a group?
The last time I checked this topic is Tundra vs. Silverado. I am a Tundra owner, so I feel qualified to post here.
The Tundra is not just the best truck for me - it is the best full size half ton pickup - period.
The base Tundra V8 will tow 7200 lbs. The base Silverado V8 will only tow 5000lbs. Which one is full size?
When Chevy learns to build a quality, reliable 1/2 ton without the fisher - price interior and the 70's era styling - I might consider it to be competition. I will not hold my breath though.
Didn't you get enough sleep? Why are you always so crabby? The "we" are the many people on this post who seem to get a kick out of getting you cranked up. Somebody once said " me thinks thou doth protest too much". It sounds to me like you are still trying to convince yourself that you made the right choice. Did you purchase or lease your Tundra?
A typical response from you & your toyota buddy (the other toyota twin...rwellbaum2).
The "tundra" is the best 1/2 ton pickup...period". In your opinion....the toyota is the best. Great, but that's only your opinion. It's not fact!!!
Don't give me that bs about the magazines either. In 1994 the Dodge was the best, in 1997 the F-150 was & in 1999 the Silverado. The writers like whatever is the new model!!!
You also were yapping about the "70's style of the Silverado & the fisher price interior". Well, it seems that a lot of people like that styling & interior because the Silverado outsells the Tundra....what 10 to 1 ???
Which feature of the exciting new Tundra do you find the most useful. The keyless remote, the largest cargo box, or the automatic 4wd system? Oops! I forgot the best in class doesn't have any of those. What is it specifically that YOU think makes the Tundra the best full size pickup? I'm not asking for magazine quotes and opinions but your own observations. Let's see if we can keep this on a higher playing field for a while.
That is his opinion, it's not fact. There will never be a fact of which is the best full size truck.
The Tundra does have remote keyless entry, but you have to get the VIP RS3000 security system to get it. The Silverado is the ONLY truck as of right now with the autotrac 4x4 system.
You think they outsell toyota 10 to 1??? For every tundra i see on the road i see 25 - 50 silverados.
Your pretty ignorant if you dont think chevy is reliable. How can you honestly say that? There are plenty of older chevy (and fords) out there running great.
The, i use this term very loosely "full size" tundra had been out what a yr and a half? How do you know if this truck will be reliable??? They have never had a here i go again "full size" truck ever before. At least chevy has had a full size truck out there and doing very well for many yrs (how many i dont know).
As for the towing whats this 5000 pds? You say base engine what are you talking about the V-6??? Cant compare a V-6 to a V-8. Hmm from a couple posts ago i found this: Silverado 5.3 L V-8 Maximum Towing Capacity: 8700 lbs. Tundra 4.7 L V-8 Maximum Towing Capacity: 7200 lb
The 2000 Chevrolet brochure states "Silverado 1500 models are limited to a 5000 lb. trailer rating unless equipped with Z85 Increased Capacity, ZX3 Manual Select Damping, or Z71 Off-road Suspension Package." This means that a base V8 Chevy will only tow 5000 lb. A Tundra base V8 will tow 7200 lb. Which one is full size?
A Chevy 5.3L 4X4 extended cab with Automatic Transmission heavy duty suspension and 4.1 gears is rated to tow 8000 lb. This is only 800 lb. more than the equivalent Toyota. This adds ~$2000 to the price of a base LS 1500.
With the Tundra you just add an aftermarket Class IV hitch and wiring harness for $150.
5000# is the rating of the bumper hitch, molded into the rubber on the bumper where the ball attaches.. Just add a class IV receiver, you've got the same towing capacity as the others.
The little tindra I just test drove was SMALL. Not talking back seat small...it was a regular cab. Not nearly as spacious inside, less head room, less leg room with seat all the way back, small wind shield, small mirrors. My Silverado is not perfect. I wish the tindra was...tried to make it fit...it just isn't half the truck I'd be giving up.
Strap 9,000 lbs in the back of your Tundra. Strap 9,000 lbs in the back of a base Chevy Ford Dodge.
Your Tundra won't run to far, which is good because if it did, it wouldn't be able to stop either.
If the cab is bigger, if the engine is bigger, if the springs are bigger, if the bed is bigger, if the axle is bigger, if the bumpers are bigger, if the windshield wipers are bigger--I'd say the truck is bigger.
You convince no one with your repetitive argument, unfactual arguement. Tundra is a wonderful truck and the perfect size for many--but bigger and badder than any of the Big 3 it is NOT.
My most recent Chevys were a 1989 S10 and a 1995 Blazer. The Blazer was a total piece of junk...especially the tranny. The S10 was marginally better. My brother has a ZR2 S10(97?) and my father has a 1996 Blazer. I'd say their vehicles fall somewhere in between my S10 and Blazer in terms of reliability. I have an open mind about most everything...just not Chevrolet. Maybe that will change.....MAYBE.
I understand how you feel about chevy - if you had two bad trucks in a row. That is kind of how I use to feel about Ford. My Dad had a blue oval tattooed on his [non-permissible content removed] - would never even consider any other make (well he did have one Mercury). I lost track of how many times I had to help him get his Ford started over the years. Also recall taking a few 1/2 vacations. That is when you get halfway to the vacation spot and spend the rest of the time waiting in some small town for the part that broke to get shipped in. That was back in the 70's. I admit the F-250 Superduty is one fine truck and if I would have needed a 3/4 ton it would have been my 1st choice. It only took me 25+ years to get over my opinion of Ford - Now I have an open mind.
The fool is back! (Hicksrme) Oh well. I knew that it was just a matter of time.
I am glad that you checked the transmission ratios. I tried to find the Tundra ratios and did not have any luck.
The fact is that the Silverado posts its gas mileage with 3.73 ratios. It is not correct to say that the Silverado has better mileage when it needs 4.1 gears to perform as well as the Tundra.
The base V8 Silverado only tows 5000 lb. The base Tundra V8 tows 7200 lb. The Tundra is much more "full size".
How many base silverados do you see? Not many 90% of them (1500's) have the 5.3 L V-8. I think you are getting your numbers from the V-6. Hmmm toyota V-8 chevy V-6 how can you compare the 2? Apples and oranges arent the same buddy.
This is all you can say isnt it. Your like a broken record the base tundra out tows the base silverado.
Full size isn't ALL about Tow numbers. What was the T100 rated for? I don't remember, but it did its job MISERABLY.
That was the last truck Toyota wanted to put up against the big 3, and it was WAY SHORT, despite the fact that Toyota rated it at the same weight ratings as the Big 3.
Page back thru the archives of Popular Mechanics, '96 or '97 I believe, and you will see a review of the T100 and the Big 3. The T100 was downright DANGEROUS under full load, fishtailing, and ineffective braking.
Point is, the only argument you have, weight rating, means NOTHING.
I say again, load up 'em up. The Toyota at full load isn't full sized.
...still can't shake his remedial math blues. For the numerically challenged, as noted before...the 5000 pound tow rating of the base Silverado is simply the rating of the bumper hitch, as molded into the plastic. If you get a receiver hitch, you get the full rating of the others. This is no different than the situation on the Tundra Limited, NOT available with factory hitch.
By the way, if you think the thirsty little car engine, the one with the rubber bands holding the valves off the piston tops gets better gas mileage than the bigger, badder 5.3L Chevy mill with 4.10 axle....think again. There is almost no mileage penalty. 600 mile unrefueled range on mine. Good luck!
chevy 2500 differential 9" (not counting the bolt flange)
Tundra differential 9"
The shivy uses a thin plate, bolted onto the back of the pumpkin. The bolt flange makes it look larger but the actual diff is no bigger. The Tundra uses a solid axle, cantilevered design with a solid weld (much stronger and streamlined). Also the frame of the silverado 3/4 ton is the same guage steel as the 1/2 ton Tundra. The dimensions (lip vs. rise) are the same within 1/4 in. So you'd best find a new song to sing, rube. Tundra 1/2 ton frame and diff=chevy 3/4 ton. Tundra=more truck for the buck!
Can you guys read? My source was the 2000 Chevy brochure: "Silverado 1500 models are limited to a 5000 lb. trailer rating unless equipped with Z85 Increased Capacity, ZX3 Manual Select Damping, or Z71 Off-road Suspension Package." This means that a base V8 Chevy will only tow 5000 lb. A Tundra base V8 will tow 7200 lb. Which one is full size?
This states in no uncertain terms that you must upgrade the Silverado suspension to tow anything over 5000 lb.
I wanted a "full size" pickup with "full size" suspension, transmission oil cooler, engine oil cooler, and skidplates standard. The Chevy is too wimpy for me.
You forgot to add that you need the trailering pkg. Like whoever said thats the numbers just owing with a ball on the bumper. Not many people do this nowadays its not all that smart.
Skidplates are like $80 and the trrailering pkg is $285 which includes the coolers
Choose a term that best describes the following statement from Bama:
>>I wanted a "full size" pickup with "full size" suspension, transmission oil cooler, engine oil cooler, and skidplates standard. The Chevy is too wimpy for me.<<
So your response to the hard facts is an insult. Try taking off the mandatory chevy, rose colored glasses and do the real comparisons of like vehicles. Tacoma vs. S-10, 4runner vs. Blazer, Tundra 1/2 ton vs. chevy 1/2 ton. The typical siverado owner defense of their weak truck is to hide behind chevies very largest vehicles.
It is really about choices. Do you need a truck that will tow 8,000 pounds, has lower gears, want the heavy duty shocks? OR do you need a truck to pick up the kids, maybe haul some 2x4's or plywood home, tow a light trailer once per year? Chevy lets you pick and choose the options based on what you want/need. Toyota takes the other approach - take this truck or leave it we only have limited choices. One differential ratio, no locker, no V8 with manual transmission, no long bed X-cab, no short bed regular cab - bla bla bla. To say the Chevy is an inferior base on the need to check some boxes on the order sheet is LAME. I look at it the other way - Chevy gives you a choice -buy what you want/need - DON'T buy what you don't want/need. How can this be a bad thing???
You have a very valid point. Buy what you want/need. Why some chevy owners claim their truck is superior because they could have bought more options doesn't make sense though. My thinking is to keep it simple and build it with quality workmanship. I realize the trend of the yuppie is more doodads and electronic gizmos, but those don't mean much to me. When the heated seats no longer function and the built-in GPS is broken, your left with useless plastic faceplates and bundles of unpowered wires. My brother buys auction trucks. Lots of fords and chevies that are sold real cheap with only 40-50K. The companies and government agencies get rid of them with only a few years and miles on them. They realize that repairing them will cost too much. He resells them for a little more. He has a really hard time finding any Toyota's being sold with under 200K or more, so he sticks with ford and chevy.
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My truck has 705 miles, only filled it up once, and it still has 1/2 tank left of that. At a 26 gallon tank, that is 18 mpg.
I can only speak of the F150 I own. It is smoother than the Silverado I had which I was quite content with as far as engine smoothness. The 150 is as quiet and smooth as any sports car I have driven. Actually it is too smooth. I prefer a little rumble from under the hood to remind me of why it is tougher and faster than any other 1/2 ton on the road.
Not bashing. Just stating that if you use the logic you shared, buying what one prefers or is best suited to the individual, how can you claim these things to be factual. I can share plenty of Tundra faults with you, but I am sure you have heard them all before from the 15 to 1 big three owners out there.
Dan
I am glad you love your truck and I am glad you are getting as good a MPG as you are getting. One fact is, and I can shop for cars, the Lariats when I was shopping were well over what I paid for my Tundra. Nashville is Ford country and they just don't do a whole hell of a lot of dealing.
I still think don't like the Triton engines. I don't know why and I am not bashing their performance I just don't like the way they feel and sound. Again, that is just me and I am more inclined to be a Chevy guy when it comes to domestics anyway so maybe it is just a little Vortech brand loyalty rearing its ugly head. I dunno. I also feel that my Tundra 4.7 is smoother and more usable at all RPMs than any of the other engines. Now were I to have to yank a big stump out of the ground,....I would probably go with Ford or Chevy Duramax.
Thanks for stating your points in non combative my truck is better then your truck manner.
You can take some ribbing, right?
All in fun,
Dan.
Funny how no Tundra owner has tried to compare their Tundra's to my here F-150 cause they do understand now that they didn't buy the best truck for the buck, but just a Toyota quality vehicle here now. Toyota makes good trucks but if you need or want to own a full size truck here you best be going with them F-150's cause the Tundra's there now are nice but they aren't much bigger than them Taco's that are about the size of the S-10's that are just a bit smaller now there than the Ram's little son.
Like you said your Ferd is the best truck going. My Yota has yet to do me wrong. I guess one of us will have to "blow a head gasket" or get a bad case of "Piston slap" or something before we are on here extoling the virtures of the other. Fact is they all have problems and I am just as likely to be in the shop as you are. I just feel a bit more secure in my perception of Toyota reliability and the fact that it has a 5/60 Warr. built into it. I know I paid for this upfront in the price but I would have paid for it or more for any of the big three also.
You mention the A/C in your Silverado. I have to say two things I don't think about much in my Tundra that are exceptional are the Air cond. and Heat. I could hang meat with the air on full blast and in the winter the heat could cook brisket. I like the Silverado's redesigned ventalation system, quiet too.
A couple of people on other forums have complained about the heat in their Tundra's not being that great. I have determined there is either something horribly wrong or they were born just east of Hell.
Just kidding....she really is 4' 10" and 90 lbs and scrappier than a irritated hound dog with fleas! ha ha!
Have to admit, she rules the dog pin around these parts!
It sure seems like you need them!!!
Who put you there. Or did the repoman take back that toy o ta?
Trend. They did a comparison of "full size"
pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy
Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1
gears(which by the way is only rated to tow
8000lbs).
They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8
and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra
Access Cab V8.
"And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of
overall performance and sophistication - on road
and off - we have to say Tundra."
Here are some facts:
4/10/00 Toyota Tundra is Consumer Reports Top Pick
for Full Sized Pickup in 2000!
http://www.consumerreports.org/news/autos/Reports/toppick.htm
3/3/00 Toyota's New Millennium Truck
http://truckworld.com/Truck-Tests/Toyota-Tundra/tundra.html
1/9/00 4-Wheel & Off-Road Magazine 4x4 Truck of
the Year!
12/22/99 Motor Trend Magazine announces the 2000
Toyota Tundra as the Truck of the Year!
http://www.motortrend.com/
5/4/00 Toyota vehicles dominate this year's
quality survey rankings by J.D. Power
http://www.jdpa.com/studies/winners.asp?StudyID=410&CatID=1
Why don't you post some links to favorable articles about the Chevy? I would like to see them. This is Tundra vs. Silverado after all.
Who is we? Is gotribe1 a group?
The last time I checked this topic is Tundra vs. Silverado. I am a Tundra owner, so I feel qualified to post here.
The Tundra is not just the best truck for me - it is the best full size half ton pickup - period.
The base Tundra V8 will tow 7200 lbs. The base Silverado V8 will only tow 5000lbs. Which one is full size?
When Chevy learns to build a quality, reliable 1/2 ton without the fisher - price interior and the 70's era styling - I might consider it to be competition. I will not hold my breath though.
The "tundra" is the best 1/2 ton pickup...period".
In your opinion....the toyota is the best. Great, but that's only your opinion. It's not fact!!!
Don't give me that bs about the magazines either. In 1994 the Dodge was the best, in 1997 the F-150 was & in 1999 the Silverado. The writers like whatever is the new model!!!
You also were yapping about the "70's style of the Silverado & the fisher price interior". Well, it seems that a lot of people like that styling & interior because the Silverado outsells the Tundra....what 10 to 1 ???
The Tundra does have remote keyless entry, but you have to get the VIP RS3000 security system to get it. The Silverado is the ONLY truck as of right now with the autotrac 4x4 system.
Your pretty ignorant if you dont think chevy is reliable. How can you honestly say that? There are plenty of older chevy (and fords) out there running great.
The, i use this term very loosely "full size" tundra had been out what a yr and a half? How do you know if this truck will be reliable??? They have never had a here i go again "full size" truck ever before. At least chevy has had a full size truck out there and doing very well for many yrs (how many i dont know).
As for the towing whats this 5000 pds? You say base engine what are you talking about the V-6??? Cant compare a V-6 to a V-8. Hmm from a couple posts ago i found this:
Silverado 5.3 L V-8
Maximum Towing Capacity: 8700 lbs.
Tundra 4.7 L V-8
Maximum Towing Capacity: 7200 lb
HMMM NOW whats full size???
Ryan
A Chevy 5.3L 4X4 extended cab with Automatic Transmission heavy duty suspension and 4.1 gears is rated to tow 8000 lb. This is only 800 lb. more than the equivalent Toyota.
This adds ~$2000 to the price of a base LS 1500.
With the Tundra you just add an aftermarket Class IV hitch and wiring harness for $150.
The little tindra I just test drove was SMALL. Not talking back seat small...it was a regular cab. Not nearly as spacious inside, less head room, less leg room with seat all the way back, small wind shield, small mirrors. My Silverado is not perfect. I wish the tindra was...tried to make it fit...it just isn't half the truck I'd be giving up.
Strap 9,000 lbs in the back of your Tundra.
Strap 9,000 lbs in the back of a base Chevy Ford Dodge.
Your Tundra won't run to far, which is good because if it did, it wouldn't be able to stop either.
If the cab is bigger, if the engine is bigger, if the springs are bigger, if the bed is bigger, if the axle is bigger, if the bumpers are bigger, if the windshield wipers are bigger--I'd say the truck is bigger.
You convince no one with your repetitive argument, unfactual arguement. Tundra is a wonderful truck and the perfect size for many--but bigger and badder than any of the Big 3 it is NOT.
You're correct. don't know where i pulled that from...
I am glad that you checked the transmission ratios. I tried to find the Tundra ratios and did not have any luck.
The fact is that the Silverado posts its gas mileage with 3.73 ratios. It is not correct to say that the Silverado has better mileage when it needs 4.1 gears to perform as well as the Tundra.
The base V8 Silverado only tows 5000 lb. The base Tundra V8 tows 7200 lb. The Tundra is much more "full size".
This is all you can say isnt it. Your like a broken record the base tundra out tows the base silverado.
Who cares most trucks arent the base model
Ryan
Full size isn't ALL about Tow numbers. What was the T100 rated for? I don't remember, but it did its job MISERABLY.
That was the last truck Toyota wanted to put up against the big 3, and it was WAY SHORT, despite the fact that Toyota rated it at the same weight ratings as the Big 3.
Page back thru the archives of Popular Mechanics, '96 or '97 I believe, and you will see a review of the T100 and the Big 3. The T100 was downright DANGEROUS under full load, fishtailing, and ineffective braking.
Point is, the only argument you have, weight rating, means NOTHING.
I say again, load up 'em up. The Toyota at full load isn't full sized.
You're repeated denial is borderline medical.
Itll cure his depression from buying a toyota over a real truck.
he is trying to convince himself that itll tow and haul better and its the best truck period.
Haha some drugs (perscription im talking about we already know hes on crack) will make him talk some sense.
Ryan
By the way, if you think the thirsty little car engine, the one with the rubber bands holding the valves off the piston tops gets better gas mileage than the bigger, badder 5.3L Chevy mill with 4.10 axle....think again. There is almost no mileage penalty. 600 mile unrefueled range on mine. Good luck!
15 City, 18 Hwy
Tindra
14 City, 17 Hwy
You guys have all the facts and they still dont beleive you.
TOYOTA GUYS they arent pulling these figures out of their butts they are made by the manufacturers!!! WAKE UP and realize this
Ryan
City mileage may have been less one for 4.10.
chevy 2500 differential 9" (not counting the bolt flange)
Tundra differential 9"
The shivy uses a thin plate, bolted onto the back of the pumpkin. The bolt flange makes it look larger but the actual diff is no bigger. The Tundra uses a solid axle, cantilevered design with a solid weld (much stronger and streamlined). Also the frame of the silverado 3/4 ton is the same guage steel as the 1/2 ton Tundra. The dimensions (lip vs. rise) are the same within 1/4 in. So you'd best find a new song to sing, rube. Tundra 1/2 ton frame and diff=chevy 3/4 ton.
Tundra=more truck for the buck!
models are limited to a 5000 lb. trailer rating
unless equipped with Z85 Increased Capacity, ZX3
Manual Select Damping, or Z71 Off-road Suspension
Package." This means that a base V8 Chevy will
only tow 5000 lb. A Tundra base V8 will tow 7200
lb. Which one is full size?
This states in no uncertain terms that you must upgrade the Silverado suspension to tow anything over 5000 lb.
I wanted a "full size" pickup with "full size" suspension, transmission oil cooler, engine oil cooler, and skidplates standard. The Chevy is too wimpy for me.
Skidplates are like $80 and the trrailering pkg is $285 which includes the coolers
HMM $365 not that big of a deal.
Ryan
Choose a term that best describes the following statement from Bama:
>>I wanted a "full size" pickup with "full size"
suspension, transmission oil cooler, engine oil
cooler, and skidplates standard. The Chevy is too wimpy for me.<<
a.) dimension
b.) dementia