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Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ



  • jerrys2jerrys2 Western massachusettsPosts: 189
    My '08 doesn't have them ... ( Aug '07 build ). Since the cars are almost identical I would think they could be turned off. I had similar problem with dealer when I requested seat belt nanny be turned off. When pressed they provided a print out that described how to do it.

    Situations lkie this is why I only go to dealer for covered work, :mad:

    Try looking elsewhere on Edmunds I believe there are many discussions regarding DRL's.

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    It's either an add-on module or just a computer update - try another dealer.

    That said, I don't know why you want them. I hate them and don't think they enhance safety.
  • jerrys2jerrys2 Western massachusettsPosts: 189
    opps ... thought you wanted to turn them off. I agree with akirby, if you feel the need just turn on parking lights, that way the tail lights go on also ... much safer, with DRL's people neglect to turn on headlights at disk, much better to control the situation yourself!

  • To turn DRL on the tech support needs to know your vin that is where the problem lies no matter what dealer you go to they need to call tech support to have them walk them through doing it I was hopeing someone else has had expearence with this yes i know the tail lights are not on when DRL are on buts ok i just feel that they help
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    As expected - totally new interior that is more conventional looking. The insider description of a "mini-MKS" looks to be spot on. Let's hope the materials and features are also MKS like.

    Sorry - can't link to it. You'll have to copy and paste this into your browser. - - t2008/lincoln-mkz-inside-1.jpg&w=800
  • cowbellcowbell Posts: 125
    While I admit Lincoln probably did need to go modern with there interior design, I will miss the retro MKZ interior. It just needed some better materials and better center console.

    The MKZ interior design always stands out in my mind. If interior images of the MKZ, TL, ES, G35, CTC were to flash by you for a quarter of a second, the MKZ is the only one you'd probably be able to identify with %100 percent certainty.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    It's the last image in the Sept. 3rd gallery but it doesn't show up in the main page. That's why I gave the link.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    So how soon can we expect a Lincoln MKZ that does not use the Fusion body? This one has the MKS style interior, and a (rather timid) interpretation of the MKR grill. Still looks a lot like a Fusion with a Lincoln style grill. And what's with the tail lights? I thought Lincoln's new design language would include full width ones. Now every Lincoln model appears to go its own way in back...ok there is some resemblance between the Navi and MKZ tail lights.

    Anyway, will we be waiting until the 2013 model year for an all new MKZ? Anyone know?
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    I just saw the MKS coming at you down in GA. It was very impressive looking.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    This is really the 2009 model, just a few months late. I think they'll merge the CD3/EUCD platforms into a common global platform in 2-3 years and that's when you'll get unique sheetmetal for the Z.

    With the 2010 upgrades including best in class fuel economy for the Fulans and a hybrid version I think they'll be selling all the CD3s they can build in Hermosillo, so it probably didn't make a good business case for redoing the sheetmetal mid cycle.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Any ideal if they will make a Hybrid MKZ or will you have to purchase the Fusion version?
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    Yes, but it is strange that given the effort to speed up product cycles, that they couldn't get a mid-cycle, minor refresh out after three model years (assuming a cycle length of six or more years). But as you say, it is "just a few months late." I wonder with Ford on the ropes how many more late starts they can afford, and "wait and see what we'll have in three years."

    I think their projected products look great, but all the companies are scrambling and lots of new metal is coming all the time. A leap ahead somewhere is what they need. Unfortunately, as good as the proposed Euro products might be, others plan to match these things. I hope the Ford products are better than the competition soon, or this heavily leveraged company with a storied history will ultimately be eaten by or crushed by something else.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    Last I heard there were no plans for a hybrid MKZ or even a 2.5L version, but considering fuel prices they may be rethinking that - I certainly would. But if that's the case I don't think you'd see it until next fall.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    Minor refresh? New 2.5L I4, totally new 2nd generation hybrid, new 6 speed trannys for the I4, new 3.0L and 3.5L V6s, 3 new front and rear clips, 2 mild dash remodels and 1 totally new interior. I think that's a little more than a mild refresh.

    Considering the 2009 model should have debuted this month, the 2010 model is only 4 months late, not ideal but not that bad either. I believe the delays were due to the new powertrains.

    Of course if they'd gotten it right 3 years ago then this would truly be just a mild mid cycle refresh. As it is they did just about everything except change the roof and doors.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    That's how you see it. As I see it, engines are introduced all the time as they are available, and on the other hand, a vehicle may be completely revamped on new architecture and still use the same engine as the previous model. The 2.5 and second gen hybrid stuff is already in the 2009 Escape (so you have the weird situation of the the "new" 2008 Escape actually being much different and inferior to the identical looking 2009).

    To me it is a refresh not only because the cars still look essentially the same as before, but because the 6 speed, 2.5, long in coming hp increase for the 3.0 liter, and making the 3.5 optional are all things Ford already had available, but couldn't figure out how to get them into the vehicles that needed them immediately (what with personnel changes, plant closings, fleet changes and truly poor predictions about what was going to sell in big numbers).

    People still look at the outside of a car first, and then consider all the other details. I do hope this effort works for Ford, but as they found with the 500-Taurus re-do, the Expedition re-do, the Explorer re-do, the MKZ grill change (what a waste of money that was), if the visual impact of the changes do not really stand out, the new model, no matter how good, may not see any sustained sales increase (or slower decline in the case of trucks).

    Really, the 2010 Fulans are just catching up with the hp and mpg and features of the top selling competition. That will have to be enough for now, and maybe with clever marketing, they will go from also-rans to top sellers. Can't see that for the MKZ though, until it can stand on its own like the MKS does.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    Actually the Fusion hybrid is different from the 09 Escape hybrid even though they use the same engine. I don't remember the details but I think the 09 escape is a gen 1.5 while the Fusion is the first true gen 2.

    I agree to the casual observer there won't be drastic changes except for one key area - fuel economy. Being able to boast that they (finally) have best in class fuel economy AND a hybrid is a big deal that a lot of people will notice now.

    The biggest question is whether current Fulanz owners will see these upgrades as a reason to trade in their current vehicles and get new ones, because that's where the sustained growth comes from. Everyone up until now (with a few exceptions) are first time buyers. Assuming the first time buyer rate stays the same, you get growth from repeat buyers, then 3-4 years from now you get another group of repeat buyers. That's how Accord and Camry got to 400k - I'd bet at least half of their sales are repeat buyers just looking for the new model. And I think the 2010 models have more than enough new features to do that AND to perhaps even take some market share back from the Camcordimas.

    I understand your point about powertrains but I also think you underestimate the amount of resources necessary to put even an existing powertrain into a new vehicle - testing, tuning, crash certification, EPA testing, etc. If you add up the total amount of work required for the 2010 triplets and you consider Ford's thinly spread resources I think it's a very respectable job.

    After all they could have just phoned in a lot of the changes but they didn't. They even changed the gauge clusters on the Fulans.

    I'd agree that it's a refresh, I just don't think it's fair to call it mild given the number of changes.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    I will be leaning towards a 2010 Fusion Hybrid unless I get blown away by the 2010 MKZ. I have a 2007 MKZ Red with Black and Satin interior with all the gadgets. Have been happy with everything except MPG.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    OK, I concede to your points. And the repeat buyer thing would be a terrific outcome.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    I think repeat buyers is THE key to sustained growth and increased market share.

    Think about all those Taurus buyers in the last 10 years who decided they were tired of their Taurus and wanted something new. Gee - the new one looks just like the one I had and has the same features - why would I buy that? I think I'll go buy an Accord or Camry instead, just to get something new.

    That's why the 3 year cycle is so important - it gives the folks who lease or buy new every 3-4 years something different.

    There are a few hundred thousand 2006/2007 FulanZ owners who would probably love to trade for a new one with better FE and Sync.
  • New Buick LaCross/Invicta coming out in the mid 2009 and it may blow away MKZ. It has sexy design inside and out, brand new platform not shared (yet) by other brands. To tell the truth - even Malibu looks more luxirious than MKZ.
  • Lincoln needs to equip the 2010 MKZ with a 3.7 that produces 300-315 hp in order to be competitve with other cars in its segment. This along with a hybrid option in the future should give it even more first time, conquest and reapeat buyers
  • So what do you guys think, Lincoln MKZ ot Acura TL. I need an answer today!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    That depends. 2009 MKZ vs. 2008 TL - close call. Slight edge to MkZ in infotainment (navigation, sync, etc.) but TL gets the nod in styling.

    2009 MKZ vs. 2009 TL - TL loses the styling edge.

    2010 MkZ vs. 2009 TL - no contest. The 2010 MkZ is greatly improved all the way around (but especially the interior) while the 09 TL is downright ugly (to me). MKZ still wins for infotainment. Not sure if it gets any new amenities though.

    So I'd say 2010 MKZ followed by 2008 TL followed by 2009 MKZ with the 2009 TL off the list.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    The 09 TL is polarizing will not blend in like the MKZ will. I happen to like the new styling, as it is bold and it looks way better in person than in pictures. The TL will have better resale, but will cost more to buy initially.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    Lincoln MKZ hands down.
  • Anyone have an idea of what to expect on the 2010? I own an 06 Zephyr and much prefer it's ride quality to that of the MKZ. I test drove the 07 MKZ with the idea of taking advantage of the "new" engine but, was turned off by the ride. Too stiff for me. A while back I was a passenger in a friend's 08 Lexus ES and was very impressed. Very quiet and more richly appointed than the Zeph/MKZ and had a better and more supple ride than my Zeph (which is better than the MKZ). It just felt more upscale as we motored along.
    I think for the MKZ to be truly perceived as upscale, it has to have the ride of a so called luxury car. It's pretty quiet but, I think it falls short in that luxury ride feel. A retuned suspension and taller tires would do wonders. I note the comparable Lexus, Cadillac and Infiniti all come with series 55 tires so, why does the MKZ come with 50s? Best option would be to offer the MKZ with a ride compliant ride and a sport/handling option like Cadillac does with the CTS. This won't happen, though, since Ford seems to be stuck in that "one size fits all" mentality.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    It's always a tradeoff - some want better handling and some want a softer ride. I agree they should offer both options - or at least an option for different wheel and tire sizes. That makes a big difference on the MKS. I'd bet that the 2010 model has options but not sure how much difference there will be.
  • dds010dds010 Posts: 33
    According to the order guide the 2010 lincoln MKZ will have blind spot monitor, a backup camera, selectshift transmission, adaptive headlamps, a split wing grill as well as a interior more in tune with the MKS. Their will also be a optional sport model that has taunter suspension settings. The engine option just says V6 so its not known if it the 3.7 or not.
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