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Think about all those Taurus buyers in the last 10 years who decided they were tired of their Taurus and wanted something new. Gee - the new one looks just like the one I had and has the same features - why would I buy that? I think I'll go buy an Accord or Camry instead, just to get something new.
That's why the 3 year cycle is so important - it gives the folks who lease or buy new every 3-4 years something different.
There are a few hundred thousand 2006/2007 FulanZ owners who would probably love to trade for a new one with better FE and Sync.
2009 MKZ vs. 2009 TL - TL loses the styling edge.
2010 MkZ vs. 2009 TL - no contest. The 2010 MkZ is greatly improved all the way around (but especially the interior) while the 09 TL is downright ugly (to me). MKZ still wins for infotainment. Not sure if it gets any new amenities though.
So I'd say 2010 MKZ followed by 2008 TL followed by 2009 MKZ with the 2009 TL off the list.
I think for the MKZ to be truly perceived as upscale, it has to have the ride of a so called luxury car. It's pretty quiet but, I think it falls short in that luxury ride feel. A retuned suspension and taller tires would do wonders. I note the comparable Lexus, Cadillac and Infiniti all come with series 55 tires so, why does the MKZ come with 50s? Best option would be to offer the MKZ with a ride compliant ride and a sport/handling option like Cadillac does with the CTS. This won't happen, though, since Ford seems to be stuck in that "one size fits all" mentality.
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And please, can that gas tank capacity be increased? When your weekly work commute is almost 500 miles, a 17 1/2 gallon tank just doesn't cut it.
The absence of a manual shift mode is a deal breaker. To be unable to manually shift an automatic would send my wife and I straight to the Mazdas, which provide it. We are looking forward to the MKZ, and hope there is nothing timid about the handling or styling.
Super MKZ
It's a Zephyr body, with a lot of body work, and a hood scoop. It also has manufacturers plate.
No one seems to know anything about it, but I'm hoping Hot Rod Lincoln.
I'm very much interested in buying one when they are available next March. However it appears that prices have not yet been released to the public although dealers have the order guides. If someone in the "know" could let us know the starting MSRP for this car I would much appreciate it. With the improvements I've read about I'm not sure I could afford the new model. In that case I might buy a 2009 model now instead of waiting.
Thanks very much.
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2008/11/22/255167.html
I've read through these details before but there is no mention of the MSRP for the 2010 model. The 2008 MKZ FWD is $30,980 + delivery, and the 2009 MKZ FWD is $32,695 + delivery, but I am looking for the starting MSRP for the 2010 model. If it's much higher than the 2009, I'll settle for the 2009.
I've often read your posts and know that you are very knowledgable about Ford products. As for options on the MKZ, the car already comes so loaded with standard features that I see no need to add anything extra. Of course some may choose to add a moonroof or a mavigation system but I have no need of those.
I had been considering the more affordable Fusion or Milan but I feel that I could manage to buy the base model of the MKZ. I'd love to move up to this entry level luxury car. So if you have any info on the base price for the 2010 model please share it with me (and others who read this). Thank you.
Sooner or later the MSRP will be announced to the public but I was hoping to get it now. Then I will be able to determine whether or not I want to wait for the 2010. If it goes up by more than $2000 for instance, I'll get the 2009 instead. I'm an older retired guy and I need to be careful with my money.
You're probably right, and so I will wait for the 2010 model next spring. I can hardly wait to see the car in person and test drive it.
Our family at present has the Infiniti EX and the Mazda3, both with automatics that allow shifting.
Have you considered the Milan Hybrid? The 2010 Milan is also much quieter than the 09, with upgraded materials, and lots of nice gadgets that are not available on the 09.
Yes I've read about the improvements to the 2010 MKZ and the styling is similar to its big brother, the MKS. I don't do enough driving to justify the additional expense of the Milan Hybrid which is particularly useful in stop and go big city traffic. I've had Mercury cars before, the Grand Marquis, but I no longer need a full size car. This will be my first Lincoln and I'm looking forward to the luxury of it.
Of course, getting the dealers to include them may be a problem. Some of you will remember dealers refused to carry even one LS with a stick.
"New for 2010, the MKZ features a new sport version with special sport suspension tuning with stiffer springs and larger stabilizer bars, 18-inch Euroflange polished wheels, unique grille, darkened headlamps, a decklid MKZ badge with a red "Z" and an interior with contrasting piping and unique appliqués."
It will be a more expensive version of the car and no doubt dealers will carry it.
I think there is just a little too much black in the interior. I realize the version pictured is the black leather but, the Z is patterned after the MKS and even with the ivory interior in the S, there is still a lot of black plastic. I would like a little more wood and a wood shift knob. I prefer the "old" steering wheel with the two wood side pieces. I like the idea of borrowing some things from the S but, it seems as though Ford is trying to make the Z a cheaper S. This could backfire - why would someone then want to spend the extra money for the S?
I don't like the contrasting piping on the seats. Looks kind of tacky. I don't think you would see Lexus, Cadillac or Infiniti do this. Go back to the old power mirror controls. It looks kind of cheap with that knob up by the window. Will there finally be console vents to feed cooled/heated air to the rear compartment? You have to have this in a luxury car! Also, why the standard satellite radio for 6 months. If they are going to make it standard, make it meaningful - like free for 2 yrs. I don't think free sat. radio for 6 months with a savings of $75 is going to point people to a Z. A lot of people, like myself, are not interested in sat. radio and then when the free ride is over, you're left with that stupid antenna on the roof of the car.
And my pet peeves - taller tires and a bigger gas tank.
Just my obsevations.
As for the contrasting seat piping, I thoroughly disagree with you. Bentley uses it. Rolls uses it. Jaguar uses it on its more expensve models. It's a sharp look that generally adds class to a leather interior.
The hybrid system is an upgraded version that's been offered in the Escape for years and the same version that's been in the 09 Escape for several months. The rest of the vehicle is basically the same as the 08 model.
There is a chance you'll find a new problem, but it will probably be minor and be fixed quickly. Major problems are rare.
I was a little concerned on the Hybrid with all that new technology. I also cannot grasp what is going to be really different between the Fusion and Milan hybrid besides the console screens. Not sure if the extra 5k for the Milan would be worth it. Now 35+ mpg does sound good!
Did you see that autoblog got 43+ mpg in a Fusion Hybrid? I am really considering a Milan Hybrid purchase for fall. See what the economy does first...
On a side note, why is the Impala, one of the top ten sellers now, selling so many times the number of cars as Taurus? The Impala is plain looking, nondescript, though it does offer three engine choices. Some of the difference has to be marketing. Or maybe the Taurus is even way more dowdy than most of us already think!
I could see myself in a Milan ( a fancified Ford), but not an MKZ. The MKZ needs more attributes from the MKR concept and much less of the shape of the Fusion. Then it will stand out...and sell.
http://www.autoobserver.com/2008/04/chevrolet-malibu-ford-fusion-pontiac-g6-gain- -traction-in-crucial-c-segment.html