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cutehumor · December 2002

I paid 1.189 for regular 87 gas at walmart pumps on 12/5/02

sopecreek · December 2002

For regular 87, I paid 1.029 at Amoco (11/29, Alpharetta,Old Alabama Rd). And the same day, I saw 1.019 at BP nearby. This area has the cheapest price as far as I know(I live in Marietta, GA). I wonder if it will hit under a buck this year...

wilcox · January 2003

In the past 19 - 20 days....have you noticed the prices have climbed to about $1.29 for regular?

Pshaw, I'm haven to pay $1.47 for premuium 93 at Mr. Bubbas over in Whitesburg, Ga.!

We need to have a plan to take over Venezuela....or do we already unoffically own it??

Mr_Shiftright · January 2003

$2.19/gal premium unleaded.

idletask · January 2003

What octane levels are available in the US?

andys120 · January 2003

Most gas stations carry three grades -87, 89 and 93 octane with some regional variations. What grades are available on your side?

idletask · January 2003

95 or 98. No other choice! That's France only, however, I don't know about other EU countries (never paid attention since I've been driving Diesels for 7 years...)

wilcox · January 2003

with this US and Iraq thing? The more Bush farts around with this military stuff, the higher the gas price goes.

Imagine having to cope with European gas prices on a daily basis...the poor slob owning the huge SUV will be forced to watch more TV and get a little exercise. Aaahaha.

Did anyone know that economically speaking, Japan is in deep doo-doo? I hope we don't see a world monetary collapse during our lifetimes. Really don't want to experience a thermonuclear war either...

G'bye, Chicken Little

perry40 · January 2003

Well, Mr. Bush's war rumblings have been affecting gasoline prices here in Canada as well ... Newfoundland has a system of Price Regulation, where the Pump Price is fixed on the 15th of every month ... well, the Regulatory Commission has broken with tradition and OK'd a 5cent/litre increase as of Jan. 3rd, 12 days ahead of schedule due to fluctuation in the World Price of oil ... St. John's, Nfld. now at $0.845Cdn per litre (over $2.00US per US Gal.) ... ouch!!
I know America is the protector of the Free World, but my wallet is taking a beating at the Pumps over Mr. Bush's sabre rattling ... and I drive a small car!!!

tboner · January 2003

I think octane is measured differently here in the USA than it is in Europe.

Our pumps list the average or RON and MON (Research Octane Number and the Motor Octane Number)

I think most EU nations just use one of those values on their pumps, but I don't know which it is.

Everyone gets all hot and bothered that you can get 98 octane in Europe, until they learn it is pretty close to what we call 93 octane.

Peep some links

http://freepages.sports.rootsweb.com/~muzza/suzi/octane.pdf

http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/avgas-e.html

http://www.stretcher.com/stories/01/010226m.cfm

FWIW,

TB

idletask · January 2003

Thanks for the info. Anyway I have a feeling that "our" octane levels are still a little higher... I see it as a way to explain the difference in hp we see with the same cars. A common example, the I6 3.0l from BMW is rated at 225hp whereas it is rated at 231hp here. The 2.5l is 190hp in the US and 192 here. Always small differences, but always in favor of EU ratings... There may be other factors, but I know for sure that we both use the DIN norm (at the flywheel with all accessories). I know, this is offtopic...

(and no, I don't see differences in emission constraints as making a difference - current norms in US and EU are very close to each other, except for NOx, but NOx are mainly emitted at partial load, so...)

tboner · January 2003

We just have bigger horses, so we don't need as many, LOL.

But dyno differences of 1-3% can be explained by emissions and perhaps exhaust differences. Not only do we have emissions requirements, but also sound requirements.

My SVT Contour has THREE catalytic converters and THREE mufflers. I'm not sure european spec cars have that much stuff in the plumbing.

The quality of european fuel, from what I understand, is a bit better than what we get here in the US, and that too may account for the better european performance.

But our fuel costs less, and that helps swerve back into the topic.

TB

sgj55 · January 2003

I'm from Long Island, New York and gas around here is $153.9 to over $165.9 for regular. Just paid $131.9 at Raceway near Manasquan New Jersy.
Why is gas so much cheaper in NJ?

wilcox · January 2003

The University of West Georgia!

These stations go back and forth in cutting prices.

Filled up Camry for $1.18 cent per gallon 87 octane.

Took the SVT over there and loaded up on 93 octane for $1.27.!! Regular fell another cent.

It appears they are going down in price about every 30 minutes.

You SUV owners better check it out.

andys120 · January 2003

because there are so many big refineries there. Like it's that much further to New York!

Incidentally your L.I. regular prices approximate what I pay for Premium in NH.

-ex LIer.

Idletask, I've noticed that Eurocars here are the most likely to require premium (>91)octane. I believe most American, Korean and Japanese cars will run fine on 87-89 octane. Actually so will most Europeans but they won't give optimum power/torque.

woody72 · January 2003

In a rare move prices are down in NW CA from 1.84 to 1.71 for 87. Even though in comparison this is still high we are happy to see any decrease

denali856 · January 2003

...are low not only because of the regional presence of refineries, but also because NJ has relatively low gas taxes:

http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

Here in S Jersey, gas taxes are considerably cheaper than they are right across the river in PA or DE, mainly because of the differences in tax rates.

I just paid $1.329/gal for 87 at the cut-rate station, with big brands generally going for $.05-.15 more.

wilcox · January 2003

Then Connecticut would be the place to get a good return.. Fuel taxes are sky high there! They must want to keep folk out of that state.

KCRam · January 2003

Mount Arlington Exxon, Mt. A, NJ

87 - 1.539
89 - 1.659
93 - 1.719
diesel - 1.519

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andys120 · January 2003

93 was more @ $1.769(!)

wilcox · January 2003

University of W. Georgia Cowboys $1.13. Station across street same....

ghulet · January 2003

Just drove by, they're at $1.869 for 93 octane, the Shell across the street is only $1.789, which I'm thinking will go up tomorrow since oil prices rose today (thank you George W. Bush and Saddam Hussein).

alfox · January 2003

$1.579 / $1.679 / $1.759 - inching upward gradually....

KCRam · January 2003

My usual Sunoco truck stop, Palisades Park, NJ

87 - 1.379
89 - 1.479
93 - 1.559
94 - 1.619
diesel - 1.479

Since I'm buying diesel, the Mt. Arlington Exxon price isn't that bad (only 4 cents more), but gasoline is definitelty more expensive in the sticks....

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wilcox · January 2003

2 stations in Carrollton, Ga. have been in their own little gas war now for almost 3 weeks.

It's beginning to cause waiting lines that interfere with street traffic.

If I were the Mayor, I'd command them to raise their gas prices from the current $1.11 to the going 'discount' rate of $1.30 for this town.

Safety is priority one.

bottgers · February 2003

.....I agree that us here in the U.S. travel further and use less fuel efficient vehicles than the folks abroad, which contributes greatly to the oil companie's abilities jack the prices up whenever they see fit to do so. If everyone here who owns a vehicle that gets less than 20 mpg (SUV's, full size pickups, etc.) also had a fuel efficeient vehicle, say one that gets 35+ mpg, and they only drove the the less fuel efficient vehicle when they absolutely needed it, and drove the fuel efficient vehicle the rest of the time, this would break the backs of the big oil companies and OPEC, and keep fuel prices lower, and more consistantly priced.

bottgers · February 2003

......more than $.20 per gallon in the last two weeks. The question is, how high will the price go this time? Last time this happened, prices soared to more than $2 a gallon in many places. The oil companies have to just love these "uncertain" times. They jump at any opportunity to price gouge.

tboner · February 2003

Believe it or not, the oil companies do not set the price of gasoline. They just make it and it gets sold on the commodities market, such as the NYMEX. The only thing the oil companies can do is affect supply.

What can consumers do? Affect demand. If there was far more supply than demand, prices will go down. If the opposite is true, then prices will go up.

Besides, I still think the government is making more off the price of a gallon of gasoline than any oil company (save for maybe the OPEC nations who are sending us the crude oil)

Take a look in this thread about a year ago for what I said on the topic then..

tboner1965 Mar 12, 2002 8:24am

TB

innovations2 · February 2003

I think I'm starting to understand better. It's not the oil companies making the huge profits ..it's the government.

wait. now, that would mean that mr. bush isn't as dumb as he appears. ..trading his oil company for the presidency. interesting..

wilcox · February 2003

Well, Mr. Bubba is holding at $1.57 per gallon and Mr. Patel is pegging $1.62 per gallon....premium 93. Other stations are a tad higher.

Mr. Bubba's and Mr. Patel's 87 was at $1.46 yesterday.

andre1969 · February 2003

...for $1.619 a gallon (87) the other night. I must've lucked out though and found this station just before they raised their prices. Seems like everybody else around my area in MD is pushing $1.67+. Haven't checked the WaWa station though, which is usually the cheapest around. They're about 9 miles out of the way for me, so I only hit them if I happen to be in that area anyway.

andys120 · February 2003

that's the high end here this week (full-serve high test).

Uncle Sam does not make money when the price goes up. The Federal Tax is a so many cents per gallon (I think around 60) whether the gallon costs $1.00 or $3.00 at the pump Uncle Sam gets the same amt., not a percentage.

The govts. (there's also state and city taxes)LOSE money if prices rise high enough to depress demand.

All this whining about the oil companies gouging doesn't reflect the reality that they are paying way more per gallon. A price increase from $28 to $35/bbl is a 24% increase in their costs. They'd be fools not to pass that on at a time of high demand.

Many people selected their present vehicle on the unthinking assumption that gas would always be less than $2.00/gal. Well guess what folks, it's time to pay the piper.

"Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it."
-Geo. Santayana

"Insanity consists of repating the same action over and over and expecting a different result."
-I don't remember who said that, Karl Jung?

tboner · February 2003

It's not 60cents / gallon, well not unless the taxes were increased recently. I think the federal portion is closer to $0.185/gallon.

Maybe in some states or even cities with an added excise tax on gasoline the total tax bite approaches $0.60/gallon.

As I mentioned in my post about a year ago, the total tax bite with federal and state taxes was in the mid $0.3x range.

Now Illinois (my home state) has not only an excise tax (the tax/gallon) but also sales tax. The sales tax portion increases with the price/gallon.

TB

PF_Flyer · February 2003

State College, PA price has been a bit jumpy. going back and forth from $1.55 to $1.59 for 87 over the last week or so. Premium somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.73

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tboner · February 2003

It looks like unleaded gasoline closed at $1.0314 yesterday on the NYMEX. If taxes, locally are still $0.345/gallon, then at the very least, a station owner has about $1.376 in a gallon of fuel before it is even shipped to the station.

The local price is hovering around $1.699 for a gallon of unleaded regular.

Hooray, the station owner may be finally making nearly as much for a gallon of fuel as is the state and federal government.

A 44gallon barrel of crude traded for $36.36 yesterday, so crude oil costs about $0.83/gallon.
From what I've read before, depending on the grade of the crude, a refinery can turn out about 50-80% of that into gasoline. So you get from 22 to 35 gallons of gasoline. Best case scenario of 35 gallons makes the cost of the fuel not less than...

$1.04

I don't think the refineries/oil companies are gouging there, since the market price
commodities traders are willing to pay for gasoline is almost exactly 80% of the
materials costs. And don't forget, you actually have to run the refinery.

So I may have to concur with what AAA is saying, that price gouging my be occuring
in the retail market for gasoline.

FWIW,

TB

Mr_Shiftright · February 2003

$2.34/gal for premium at the Shell station near Golden Gate Park and 19th Ave in San Francisco. Saw lots of prices for regular around $1.90 around town and prices in the $2.20 range for premium were common.

tk865 · February 2003

a few nights ago I filled up on premium for about $35.00. That's BP, 93 octane, $1.77/gal. Knoxville, TN

wilcox · February 2003

Connecticut had the highest tax rate. Thirty something cent/gal. I believe...Whew!

KCRam · February 2003

Mount Arlington Exxon, Mt. A, NJ

87 - 1.659
89 - 1.769
93 - 1.859
diesel - 1.799

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ghulet · February 2003

Tonight at the local Citgo (Clark and Irving, north side of Chicago):

87=$1.889
89=$1.989
93=$2.059

Ouch, I'm not enjoying this one bit.

wilcox · February 2003

University of West Georgia....$1.43 WWB and $1.42 across the street at Cowboys.

robs328i · February 2003

I paid $2.05 for 91 just north of San Diego. In the city I'm sure it's higher.

robs328i · February 2003

My very next fill-up at the same gas station was $2.11 9/10...sheesh!

luckylou · February 2003

Home of the Space Shuttle .

   Speedway : regular unleaded 1.59

                              mid unleaded 1.69

                             premium 1.79

greenmax · February 2003

prices haven't moved for the last week or so. The local Shell has 87 for $1.59, 89 for $1.65 and 93 for $1.73. The Chevron station across from it has 87 for $1.58, 89 for $1.68 and 93 for $1.78. I'm a bit disappointed that our gas is so expensive considering there are tons of refineries within 50 miles.

paulhuang · February 2003

Price as of Tuesday night

Premium self-serve:
Shell: 2.15
Chevron: 2.18
Arco: 1.97

luckylou · February 2003

Since yesterday they went up 5 cents across the board...... ...OUCH !! Self service... More OUCH !! Thank you.

ghulet · February 2003

At the admittedly always-high BP Amoco, corner of Belmont and Racine in Chicago, prices as follows:

87 octane $1.899
89 octane $1.989
93 octane $2.079

geoffdgti · February 2003

93 octane. $1.729 at one of the many gas stations on the Rt 1 Bypass in Portsmouth, NH. The typical price at most gas stations is $0.10 more than that.

fordtuf · February 2003

Atlanta eastern suburbs

87 Octane $1.40 @ Speedway

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