I purchased a Civic EX w/navi in late November. Selling price was $22,288> I do not know it is too high or not. But, I really liked the car. It is a great purchase I ever made. My. wife did not let me drive most of the time. So, I have decided to buy another one to her. I purchased a Hybrid w/o navi yesterday. The seller was asking $25,170 ($22,400 plus some packages). We agreed on $23,700. I still do not know whether I paid a lot or not. My wife siad she averaged 52 mpg from the dealer to our house (36 miles away). we are all happy that we are driving Honda Civics now. I do have a question about this coming Tax Credit? Do you think I should have waited to get the credit or can dealer hold the registration until January 2006? I look forward to hear from all of you.
Is there any time frame to register the vehicle when you purchase like 15 days or 30 days. Is it supposed to be registered on the day you purchase?
I and my wife enjoy driving the new civics. However I have not seen any other new civic on the streets yet. I wish I could wait until January 2006 to get $2100 teax credit instead of gettin $2000 deduction now.
I and my wife enjoy driving the new civics. However I have not seen any other new civic on the streets yet. I wish I could wait until January 2006 to get $2100 tax credit instead of gettin $2000 deduction now.
Has the IRS even published the numbers or details of the tax credit yet? If so, where can I find that information?
In New York the dealer is authorized to issue a temporary registration if you have a valid registration on the vehicle you are trading or taking off the road, you keep the same license plates.
The dealer has two days to notify your existing insurance carrier and you transfer the coverage to the new vehicle.
Check the DMV in your state and your insurance carrier to be on the safe side.
As far as the $2100.00 tax credit my hunch is that dealers will jack up the MSRP knowing the tax credit will take some of the sting out of it. You'll probably still save but if you can get a good buy on a 2006 HCH before January 1 you may not loose that much,supply is tight and you have to be in the right place at the right time to find one.
Great day! Got my car 5 weeks after the build date and 3 weeks after ship date. Pretty happy with the timeline. Paid MSRP of 22,400.00 (non Navi) as agreed to in Oct. Salesman and finance guy said that the going rate at their dealership now is $3000.00 over MSRP.
I did succumb to the Honda Care extended warranty: 5 yrs/100K, no deductible, bumper-to-bumper, full premium refund at end of warranty if no claim is made. Paid $1900.00 for this. Don't know if I paid too much since I did not research the recent prices paid for the Honda Care warranty.
I did succumb to the Honda Care extended warranty: 5 yrs/100K, no deductible, bumper-to-bumper, full premium refund at end of warranty if no claim is made. Paid $1900.00 for this. Don't know if I paid too much since I did not research the recent prices paid for the Honda Care warranty.
The same Hondacare 5 year, 100,000 mile warranty can be purchased (online) from College Hills Honda for $745. Hopefully you are able to cancell the one you bought, or at least renegotiate the price down $1,100 or so.
Just wondering why you would not ask them to pickup the car on January 1st to get the added tax savings? We are waiting on our Alabaster Gray w/Nav to come in any day, and the dealer has promised to hold it just in case in comes in early. Also, did you send in your HOV application without a plate number? Thanks!
Just wondering why you would not ask them to pickup the car on January 1st to get the added tax savings? We are waiting on our Alabaster Gray w/Nav to come in any day, and the dealer has promised to hold it just in case in comes in early. Also, did you send in your HOV application without a plate number? Thanks!
I agree with you I wish I had known this and wait until January 1, 2006 to benefit from the new law. Anyway,
When we went to look (late November '05) dealers were asking 1K over sticker. Since then I have received some internet quotes for the MSRP (22,400), but I think that the dealers here in N. VA add on a $300 fee. Two days ago I received a call from our local dealer quoting a price of 21,600. I am not sure if that price included the destination charge or the $300 fee. Since we are planning to buy in 2006 I asked him to call me in a week. I have also read somewhere that Baltimore dealers were offering 800 below MSRP. What are people able to negotiate to for this car in the Washington metro area?
I have now taken possition of my new 2006 Hybrid civic. I love it! It is more than I had expected by a lot!The deal was completely worry free. I dealt with Spokane Valley Honda in Washington State- the Internet GUY. They promised a price under MSRP, and sold it at that price, no add-on's or suprises. It came with NO accessories, no fees, no processing doc fee - just tax and licence. Love my Honda- great deal with an honorable dealership and internet salesperson/manager.
Thanks for the pricing advice! Yes, I renegotiated down to $1000.00. Should have done my research first, but I was so excited about getting the car that I forgot. I assumed they would be ethical on the Honda Care pricing (since they stuck with the msrp price on the car), but that was a bad assumption. I'm ok with the dealer making a fair profit, but not getting ripped off.
I picked it up now because I wanted it badly (no impilse control). I did realize that there was a better tax break in 2006, but wanted to get my HOV application process going as soon as possible.
I have to wait for my registration/plates from the DMV before I can apply for the FastTrac transponder, then after getting that, applying for the HOV stickers. Hopefully, there will be one left for me.
I've been given a quote of 20,616 + tax + tags for a new 2006 Civic Hybrid - which is a great price. But the dealer does not have any in stock and expects the next shipment in mid January. He is also offering to find a swap from another dealer if I put in a refundable $500 deposit. Any advice? I am inclined not to put the deposit and either wait till mid January or to see if any other dealer will match the quote (I received the quote by email).
Put the down the deposit. The price is very good and demand for this car is only going to increase in the next year. It is the end of the year and end of the month so I would not be surprised if this is the best price you will see for the next 6 months. Wow! I just checked invoice price and your quote is only $100 over invoice! If you would not mind, please share the name of the dealer after you make your decision, I'd like to obtain this good of a price.
Does anybody have (or has seen) opal blue silver color? We are going to order a 06 hybrid, but that's the only color option for Jan delivery. They don't have any stock, so I can't check the color.
Is it light blue color? Or it's almost silver with a little bit of blue tint?
Can anybody tell me?
Another question is...
When you preordered yours, did you get yours on the day (or before) that they said it will be ready? Or often times, it gets furthur delayed. I really need to have a new car by the second week of Jan and that's the time that they said my car will get here, but I don't want to take a risk. So now I am considering buying a prius or some other cars....
I just started my search for a honda civic hybrid. I'd want one with the navigation system. so far, internet quotes for a non navigation hybrid are about 1000 above msrp. where can i find the cheapest one in the l.a. area??
Let me get this straight. The non-hybrid civic is going out the door with no waiting involved at or very near invoice price. The "hybrid" civic sells for list price (or more) and with waiting involved. A ballpark figure for a difference between the two ends up being around $4,500 or so, plus the additional sales tax on the $4,500. The Feds give you a tax-credit of $2,100 which comes off your AGI at tax-time saving you around $525 on your taxes. The final end difference ends up being.. say $4,200. Has anyone put pencil to paper and figured out exactly how many miles you would have to drive this vehicle to even begin to break even on the difference in what it costs up front, especially when you add-in the additional finance charges on the higher cost hybrid vehicle. I would suggest that you would have to drive several hundred thousand miles (at least) to even begin to approach break-even. And since by that point you've had to replace the battery-pack several times... well... you get the picture. It's impossible to come out ahead with the Hybrid. Are you guys who are so hot-to-trot over the hybrid aware of how much money you lose in the long run?
I did put in paper and calculated. based on the difference of $4,200 for a hybrid and its epa of 49 mpg vs. 30mpg of regular civic i calculated that you have to drive 148,376 miles in order to break even with the price of gas....asssuming the price of gas remains at 2.19 per gallon(the lowest price i can find in my area). wow, it made me 2nd guess my wish for a hybrid. now the only reason to buy hybrids is just to say i'm driving a hybrid.
I just bought a HCH (non-NAV) in the Bay Area at MSRP on 1/2/2006. Got more for my trade in than I thought I would. Use the honda.com website and "get dealer quotes" and you'll get lots of responses. Some places will let you order (maybe at MSRP) and some will not. I got mine off the lot, which wasn't my top color choice, but still quite attractive.
In response to:
"The Feds give you a tax-credit of $2,100 which comes off your AGI at tax-time saving you around $525 on your taxes."
Actually, the tax saving is a credit, not a deduction, so $2100 will come off the total amount of tax that you owe (if you don't have to pay AMT in 2006). So, it's worth a full $2100.
I would dare say that most people shopping for the conventional Honda Civic don't shop for the HCH. Also, I would think that most people shopping for a hybrid car are not in it for the savings. There are multiple other reasons for doing so.
For me... I have a drive a long way to work. I will enjoy getting HOV lane rights and not having to fill up as often as well as having less guilt for gas consumption and emission production. I know that I won't saving money compared to getting, say a conventional Civic or even an Accord.
As for the battery pack... In CA, the battery pack is warranted for 10 years, 150k miles.
If a hybrid is not for you. That's fine. Get your facts straight before you decide and don't judge others. Those of us who are willing to pay for the technology now are bringing it closer to YOUR hands in the future. :shades:
I did put in paper and calculated. based on the difference of $4,200 for a hybrid and its epa of 49 mpg vs. 30mpg of regular civic i calculated that you have to drive 148,376 miles in order to break even with the price of gas....asssuming the price of gas remains at 2.19 per gallon(the lowest price i can find in my area). wow, it made me 2nd guess my wish for a hybrid. now the only reason to buy hybrids is just to say i'm driving a hybrid.
And 30 MPG is the city rating on the new Civic. Unless you are driving ONLY in city traffic, you should do better that averaging 30 MPG in the standard Civic.
"Actually, the tax saving is a credit, not a deduction, so $2100 will come off the total amount of tax that you owe (if you don't have to pay AMT in 2006). So, it's worth a full $2100."
No disrespect intended hchryder, but I think you are the one who needs to get his facts straight. From irs.gov.
"If you are the original (first) owner of a qualifying hybrid vehicle — one that combines an electric motor with a gasoline-powered engine — you may be eligible to claim a one-time tax deduction on your federal income tax return.
Under the Working Families Tax Relief Act of 2004, the deduction amount is limited to $2,000 for cars first put into use in 2004 and 2005. the deduction will be limited to $500 for vehicles placed in service in 2006, and no deduction will be allowed after that year."
I'm no tax expert, but I believe a deduction is something that comes off your AGI.. not your tax owed. If your Honda dealer told you it was "credit" off your taxes.. they lied. (Gee.. I'm shocked.. shocked I tell you.) In addition, it looks as though the deduction from AGI has been lowered to only $500 as of Jan. 1st. Might save the average joe a hundred bucks or so off his taxes.
My point is.. Hybrids never save you money. In fact, just the opposite is true. You pay through the nose for them, in both the short and long term.
You are, however, quite right when you say that early adopters like yourself will help bring this technology down in price for the masses. But there will always be the issue of the costs involved with replacing a very expensive battery pack. Is your CA battery pack "warranty" pro-rated? I'd be surprised if it wasn't.
Beginning January 1st, 2006, it is indeed a credit, not a deduction..
The purchase price of a car is not the main component of it's cost... That would be depreciation.. It is the difference between purchase price and resale that is the major component of a vehicle's cost of operation.
Ok.. "prices paid" it is. But as of today, the IRS' own website says it's a $500 "deduction" off your AGI after Jan. 1, 2006. Anything else is speculation only.
It is indeed a tax credit worth ~ $2,100 today (after Jan. 1, 2006) vs. the $2,000 deduction from years gone by.
Paying MSRP? Why? There are those even in the state of CA. that have picked their HCH-II’s up for less then $500 under MSRP. Psyshack posted a Honda dealership in OK. that is letting them go for $500 over invoice!
yea please help me out in finding them. i just called woodland hills honda and they are asking 5000 markkup from sticker price. i really want a hybrid now. i realize, they might cost more, but i just want something different---no other cars out there attracts me more than a hybrid. civic's are the best looking one out there in my opinion.
funny, I just heard this argument on 560am from one of the hardcore rightwingers the other night.
From a top down instead of bottom up view, I purchased the HCH and money savings was not the top priority vs. the time savings gained. As the saying goes 'time really is money' for a lot of folks, the time-savings byproducts (i.e., more sales visits) should/could be calculated in this breakeven scenario. Yes, the incentives from the gov't, some employers (i.e., Google) some free parking, etc. etc. are nice too, but also just looking at the freakin' maintenance/support costs of my much moooore expensive car, this HCH is a great value, as well as a fresh looking vehicle vs. the Prius. So, I would have to hope that for more than a few of us, it is not impossible to come out ahead here. Thx
Spreen Honda (Redlands, CA) at MSRP, when I purchased mine through the internet department in December. Did not jerk me around like so many other dealerships are doing to other people.
Hi This is what I'm paying for the 06 Civic Hybrid Auto Trans no Navigator( my mistake) in Connecticut MSRP$22,400.00 No State Taxes(Thank u Governor) Federal Taxe reduction $2100.00 (Thank u Mr Bush(barf barf) Dealer process fee.$159.00 Registration. $155.00 I bought the extended Warranty for an extra 4 years for a total of 7 years for $1170.00.$70.20 taxe(I'm getting tired of fixing cars in the cold,not such a bad deal. The only thing that I could of done without was the VIN etching cost $169.00(I'm getting soft)was already on the car So total $24,123.20 I'm very happy to keep it under 25 Gs I think it took nearly 4 months of waiting. My wife will be happy.
The price for gas in my area (upstate NY, Albany area) is currently at $2.59 per gallon and is continuing to climb even though by oil company standars, it has been a mild winter so far. I wont get into the rising gas price debate at this time, even though it is BS that gas prices are on the rise again. Your math at $2.19 per gallon makes it seem like the hybrid may not be a good investment or return on your money, but gas prices are HIGH and will probably stay high.
Currently I am averaging 44.7 MPG (combined city / hwy) on my HCH with 1200 miles on it. I can say, it sure is nice to not even consider filling up the car until I reach 550 miles of driving. As mentioned, I have only 1200 miles on the car and have only filled it up twice. At last fill up the computer was showing average mpg to be 41.4 mpg but when I did the simple math it came out to 44.7 mpg.
You can save several hundred dollars if you cancel that overpriced extended warranty and buy another Honda Care extended warranty online from another Honda dealer. Check this Edmunds forum:
That's great, I have already saved over $3400.00 in fed and state taxes,I was happy to pay for the extended waranty at the dealer, to me buying cars has always been a pain. I make easy as possible. I'm still looking online for a navigation system for the car. One that I can move to my other vehicles when needed. So happy hunting for the best price everybody Good luck
I just purchased my third Honda. Similar to the two prior experiences, the car I wanted was hard to find. Like the first one, we couldn't drive the car before placing the order.
On our latest purchase we paid a $500 deposit on October 15th, 2005. The dealer quoted us a delivery of six weeks. The price was list plus a $350 handling charge. Needless to say, the car didn't show in six weeks. At that time, the salesperson said it would show in a couple more weeks, before Christmas.
We finally get a call from the sales manager on Christmas eve, alerting us that the car would be in the following week.
Since it was less than a week from the end of 2005, I asked him if we could wait till after the first of the year to close the deal, so that we could take advantage of the new tax credit. He said, "No."
Twice I asked him when he could deliver a car in 2006 if I passed on this car. In both instances, he refused to answer. They had no problem quoting a delivery date back in October.
Three times, I asked him if we could purchase the car in December, but take delivery in January. The answer was always, "No."
I purchased and took delivery of the car on December 27th. How much more money did the salesman, sales manager, and honda make by coercing me into buying the car five days before I was eligible for a $2100 tax credit?
Will I be taking the car to them for service?
"No!"
Will I refer anyone to their dealership?
"No!"
Am I going to enjoy cancelling the expensive Honda Care warranty I purchased from them now that I know I can get it for less online?
"Yes!"
Do I owe Burt/Kuni Honda of Centennial, Colorado, or Honda of America any favors?
"No!"
It is a great car as has been my two previous Hondas. I guess you can't have it all.
I was to get my car in October, it arrived last friday I picked it up last night. Back in November I asked the dealer if he could sit on the car til january and he was more than happy to do it ,said no problem etc. I was lucky his october,november december cars all arrived in january 6th. Man I whish you stuck up for a few more days to pick up your car. Anyway can you still apply for the old taxe break? I think you can,the older taxe break is available for 03 to 05. Check it out. love the car,very well made.
I agree totally! I happily own two late model Hondas, including the '06 HCH, BUT I was a bit shocked by going through, reading and hearing more horrid Honda sales experiences (my story is back in number 80-90 of this forum against Tracy Honda in central California). But, this is not surprising overall for car salesworms.
Since filing complaints with N. America Honda and the relevant BBB and getting their confirmation, I've only heard lame excuses from Tracy Honda that I can easily counter with my saved emails and VOICEMAILS!
After reading more and more of the Honda sales EPISODES and no real sufficing answers from Honda Corp., they're in essence condoning these sleeze tactics and letting their sales slugs maximize sales in any way on these great cars and leveraging the plight of the U.S. automakers.
Basic business 101 rules will show the longer term ramifications of letting a few resourceful unhappy buyers vent their unhappiness.
In 2003, I found myself unemployed for the first time in my life, and took a new car sales position at a local family-owned domestic dealership (under same ownership since 1942). I only worked there until I found another position in my field, but I learned quite a bit about the new car sales business.
First of all, this dealership treated customers as all of us would want to be treated - courteously, honestly, and fairly. No gimmicks, no high pressure sales tactics, etc. It was an honest pleasure working for them, and working with customers in finding the correct vehicle to fit their needs and budget.
Reading the horror stories here on purchasing a Honda doesn't surprise me, as I've experienced similar experiences with Honda dealerships. The cars are wonderful, but that's not necessarily the case with the dealerships. I think quite a bit of this is one of attitude and arrogance. When you have a car that essentially sells itself, a salesperson really doesn't have to work very hard to make a sale. If a buyer moves on to another car brand or to another dealership, there are other buyers effectively waiting in line to buy that car. This arrogance will eventually bite the respective dealer, and perhaps even Honda.
Although Honda has great products, they need to be aware of this problem. Otherwise, their market share may be affected. I've seen similar tactics at Toyota dealerships, and most likely, it's for the same reasons. Both Honda and Toyota should be looking over their shoulders (don't laugh here!) at Hyundai. Hyundai's build-quality and reliability are approaching the levels most of us equate to Honda and Toyota with each new model. If you don't believe me, take a very close look at their current product line. Hyundai effectively is mirroring a very similar business model, product improvement, and growth as Toyota back in the '70s and '80s. It's almost analogous to electronics manufacturing . . . USA, Japan, Korea, and then China. It will be interesting to look back at the auto manufacturing trend in the year 2020 or so, and see if this occurs in this market. The Chinese are ready to jump into the USA market with at least two manufacurers.
Again, let's hope Honda corporate keeps its eye on their dealerships.
I took possession today of my '06 Civic Hybrid. Paid $22,100 ($300 below MSRP) at O'Daniel Honda in Omaha, NE. No hassles, no waiting, and friendly, helpful sales staff. Worked with both Dave and Joe. Also drove Accord Hybrid and Civic LX at the same dealer, and an '06 Passat 2.0T at another. I was impressed by all these cars for different reasons.
Why did I buy the HCH? 1) Cool technology, 2) super low emissions, 3) Honda reliability, 4) after driving fire-breathing gas-snorting sports coupes and SUVs, it's finally time I grow up. Our nation commutes in a cushy silo of comfort, easily forgetting that in doing this we rely on oil from distant lands where people don't like us much, where our boys and girls fight and die. We all bear some responsibility for this, and it's about time I took mine. I really don't feel like I'm sacrificing anything. The HCH seems to be a great car, and I'm very happy so far. As far as the cost justification of the hybrid vs. Civic LX or EX, that's really not a primary concern for me, though the tax credit is certainly welcome. It should be better. The president's energy plan, overall, is a sorry disappointment.
I'll follow up with my feedback after driving for a month or so. I'm gonna make a game out of getting the best mpg I can-- is 50 possible? Maybe not, we'll see! Whatever the mileage turns out to be, it's pretty likely to be more than double what I got in my previous car.
I picked up my HCH last night. I got the car for $22,274 and mud guards were installed at Renner Motors in Columbus, IN. I had to put down a $500 deposit Dec. 26, and the vechicle came in this past weekend. Everything went really smooth, and I actually got a lot more than I expected on Trade-in (2004 CR-V - They actually use Kelley Blue Book values).
I am looking forward to the improved mileage I will get over my CR-V (Which was great as well)!
I just took possession of my 06 HCH. When I was checking out the wheels, I noted the tire model (Dunlop S/P 37 AS). I looked them up online and the only place I could find them was on some discount tire site. It made me a little leery because the site said the tires were discontinued (selling for $40 per tire). Is this the tire other 06 HCH owners have on their cars? I would hope that Honda of Japan wouldn't be putting disposable (cheap) tires on their cars? When I asked Honda of America they weren't much help. They just said you either get bridgestones or dunlops -didn't know what specific model. :confuse:
Original equipment tires installed on many brands and models of new cars are often not sold in retail tire stores. Tire manufacturers frequently supply unique model name and model number tires to differentiate OEM and aftermarket models.
Thanks. I got a reply from Goodyear and actually it is a Dunlop SP 31 - not SP 37. Looked like a seven to me! Not much info on the performance rating of this tire out there.
Anyone have experiences of trying to get financing at the dealership you want to share? Are they generally reasonable rates or do they try to force you into higher rate loans since the hybrids are so hot right now?
You are better off going to your credit union and getting pre approved. With that in hand you have a better chance of negotiating a good rate. Be sure it is a straight interest loan. GMAC used to have loans that your payments all went to interest for the first couple years. Then when you thought you had the vehicle paid down it was still close to the purchase price.
My advice, if at all possible is to save for that new car and not pay any lending institution.
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Welcome to the Forum and keep us posted on how you like the two Civics.
I and my wife enjoy driving the new civics. However I have not seen any other new civic on the streets yet. I wish I could wait until January 2006 to get $2100 teax credit instead of gettin $2000 deduction now.
You cannot legally drive an unregistered vehicle on a public road.
Has the IRS even published the numbers or details of the tax credit yet? If so, where can I find that information?
Let me know and thanks,
Warner
If the IRS follows true to form, they will not publish the changes to the tax code until late next year.
The dealer has two days to notify your existing insurance carrier and you transfer the coverage to the new vehicle.
Check the DMV in your state and your insurance carrier to be on the safe side.
As far as the $2100.00 tax credit my hunch is that dealers will jack up the MSRP knowing the tax credit will take some of the sting out of it.
You'll probably still save but if you can get a good buy on a 2006 HCH before January 1 you may not loose that much,supply is tight and you have to be in the right place at the right time to find one.
I did succumb to the Honda Care extended warranty: 5 yrs/100K, no deductible, bumper-to-bumper, full premium refund at end of warranty if no claim is made. Paid $1900.00 for this. Don't know if I paid too much since I did not research the recent prices paid for the Honda Care warranty.
Now comes the long wait to get my HOV stickers
Here are some examples:
http://www.jayhondacare.com/Civic_Hybrid.htm
http://www.hondawarrantyinfo.com/
http://www.curryhondacare.com/pricing/index.cfm
The same Hondacare 5 year, 100,000 mile warranty can be purchased (online) from College Hills Honda for $745. Hopefully you are able to cancell the one you bought, or at least renegotiate the price down $1,100 or so.
College Hills Honda
Warner
I agree with you I wish I had known this and wait until January 1, 2006 to benefit from the new law. Anyway,
I picked it up now because I wanted it badly (no impilse control). I did realize that there was a better tax break in 2006, but wanted to get my HOV application process going as soon as possible.
I have to wait for my registration/plates from the DMV before I can apply for the FastTrac transponder, then after getting that, applying for the HOV stickers. Hopefully, there will be one left for me.
Wow! I just checked invoice price and your quote is only $100 over invoice!
If you would not mind, please share the name of the dealer after you make your decision, I'd like to obtain this good of a price.
Does anybody have (or has seen) opal blue silver color? We are going to order a 06 hybrid, but that's the only color option for Jan delivery. They don't have any stock, so I can't check the color.
Is it light blue color? Or it's almost silver with a little bit of blue tint?
Can anybody tell me?
Another question is...
When you preordered yours, did you get yours on the day (or before) that they said it will be ready? Or often times, it gets furthur delayed. I really need to have a new car by the second week of Jan and that's the time that they said my car will get here, but I don't want to take a risk. So now I am considering buying a prius or some other cars....
In response to:
"The Feds give you a tax-credit of $2,100 which comes off your AGI at tax-time saving you around $525 on your taxes."
Actually, the tax saving is a credit, not a deduction, so $2100 will come off the total amount of tax that you owe (if you don't have to pay AMT in 2006). So, it's worth a full $2100.
I would dare say that most people shopping for the conventional Honda Civic don't shop for the HCH. Also, I would think that most people shopping for a hybrid car are not in it for the savings. There are multiple other reasons for doing so.
For me... I have a drive a long way to work.
As for the battery pack... In CA, the battery pack is warranted for 10 years, 150k miles.
If a hybrid is not for you. That's fine. Get your facts straight before you decide and don't judge others. Those of us who are willing to pay for the technology now are bringing it closer to YOUR hands in the future. :shades:
And 30 MPG is the city rating on the new Civic. Unless you are driving ONLY in city traffic, you should do better that averaging 30 MPG in the standard Civic.
Warner
No disrespect intended hchryder, but I think you are the one who needs to get his facts straight. From irs.gov.
"If you are the original (first) owner of a qualifying hybrid vehicle — one that combines an electric motor with a gasoline-powered engine — you may be eligible to claim a one-time tax deduction on your federal income tax return.
Under the Working Families Tax Relief Act of 2004, the deduction amount is limited to $2,000 for cars first put into use in 2004 and 2005. the deduction will be limited to $500 for vehicles placed in service in 2006, and no deduction will be allowed after that year."
I'm no tax expert, but I believe a deduction is something that comes off your AGI.. not your tax owed. If your Honda dealer told you it was "credit" off your taxes.. they lied. (Gee.. I'm shocked.. shocked I tell you.) In addition, it looks as though the deduction from AGI has been lowered to only $500 as of Jan. 1st. Might save the average joe a hundred bucks or so off his taxes.
My point is.. Hybrids never save you money. In fact, just the opposite is true. You pay through the nose for them, in both the short and long term.
You are, however, quite right when you say that early adopters like yourself will help bring this technology down in price for the masses. But there will always be the issue of the costs involved with replacing a very expensive battery pack. Is your CA battery pack "warranty" pro-rated? I'd be surprised if it wasn't.
The purchase price of a car is not the main component of it's cost... That would be depreciation.. It is the difference between purchase price and resale that is the major component of a vehicle's cost of operation.
Now.. let's get back to actual Prices Paid.
Thanks,
kyfdx
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See this website for details on 06 Tax CREDIT.
It is indeed a tax credit worth ~ $2,100 today (after Jan. 1, 2006) vs. the $2,000 deduction from years gone by.
Paying MSRP? Why? There are those even in the state of CA. that have picked their HCH-II’s up for less then $500 under MSRP. Psyshack posted a Honda dealership in OK. that is letting them go for $500 over invoice!
Good Luck
Wayne R. Gerdes
From a top down instead of bottom up view, I purchased the HCH and money savings was not the top priority vs. the time savings gained. As the saying goes 'time really is money' for a lot of folks, the time-savings byproducts (i.e., more sales visits) should/could be calculated in this breakeven scenario. Yes, the incentives from the gov't, some employers (i.e., Google) some free parking, etc. etc. are nice too, but also just looking at the freakin' maintenance/support costs of my much moooore expensive car, this HCH is a great value, as well as a fresh looking vehicle vs. the Prius. So, I would have to hope that for more than a few of us, it is not impossible to come out ahead here. Thx
This is what I'm paying for the 06 Civic Hybrid Auto Trans no Navigator( my mistake) in Connecticut
MSRP$22,400.00
No State Taxes(Thank u Governor)
Federal Taxe reduction $2100.00 (Thank u Mr Bush(barf barf)
Dealer process fee.$159.00
Registration. $155.00
I bought the extended Warranty for an extra 4 years for a total of 7 years for $1170.00.$70.20 taxe(I'm getting tired of fixing cars in the cold,not such a bad deal.
The only thing that I could of done without was the VIN etching cost $169.00(I'm getting soft)was already on the car
So total $24,123.20
I'm very happy to keep it under 25 Gs
I think it took nearly 4 months of waiting.
My wife will be happy.
Currently I am averaging 44.7 MPG (combined city / hwy) on my HCH with 1200 miles on it. I can say, it sure is nice to not even consider filling up the car until I reach 550 miles of driving. As mentioned, I have only 1200 miles on the car and have only filled it up twice. At last fill up the computer was showing average mpg to be 41.4 mpg but when I did the simple math it came out to 44.7 mpg.
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So happy hunting for the best price everybody
Good luck
I just purchased my third Honda. Similar to the two prior experiences, the car I wanted was hard to find. Like the first one, we couldn't drive the car before placing the order.
On our latest purchase we paid a $500 deposit on October 15th, 2005. The dealer quoted us a delivery of six weeks. The price was list plus a $350 handling charge. Needless to say, the car didn't show in six weeks. At that time, the salesperson said it would show in a couple more weeks, before Christmas.
We finally get a call from the sales manager on Christmas eve, alerting us that the car would be in the following week.
Since it was less than a week from the end of 2005, I asked him if we could wait till after the first of the year to close the deal, so that we could take advantage of the new tax credit. He said, "No."
Twice I asked him when he could deliver a car in 2006 if I passed on this car. In both instances, he refused to answer. They had no problem quoting a delivery date back in October.
Three times, I asked him if we could purchase the car in December, but take delivery in January. The answer was always, "No."
I purchased and took delivery of the car on December 27th. How much more money did the salesman, sales manager, and honda make by coercing me into buying the car five days before I was eligible for a $2100 tax credit?
Will I be taking the car to them for service?
"No!"
Will I refer anyone to their dealership?
"No!"
Am I going to enjoy cancelling the expensive Honda Care warranty I purchased from them now that I know I can get it for less online?
"Yes!"
Do I owe Burt/Kuni Honda of Centennial, Colorado, or Honda of America any favors?
"No!"
It is a great car as has been my two previous Hondas. I guess you can't have it all.
love the car,very well made.
Since filing complaints with N. America Honda and the relevant BBB and getting their confirmation, I've only heard lame excuses from Tracy Honda that I can easily counter with my saved emails and VOICEMAILS!
After reading more and more of the Honda sales EPISODES and no real sufficing answers from Honda Corp., they're in essence condoning these sleeze tactics and letting their sales slugs maximize sales in any way on these great cars and leveraging the plight of the U.S. automakers.
Basic business 101 rules will show the longer term ramifications of letting a few resourceful unhappy buyers vent their unhappiness.
First of all, this dealership treated customers as all of us would want to be treated - courteously, honestly, and fairly. No gimmicks, no high pressure sales tactics, etc. It was an honest pleasure working for them, and working with customers in finding the correct vehicle to fit their needs and budget.
Reading the horror stories here on purchasing a Honda doesn't surprise me, as I've experienced similar experiences with Honda dealerships. The cars are wonderful, but that's not necessarily the case with the dealerships. I think quite a bit of this is one of attitude and arrogance. When you have a car that essentially sells itself, a salesperson really doesn't have to work very hard to make a sale. If a buyer moves on to another car brand or to another dealership, there are other buyers effectively waiting in line to buy that car. This arrogance will eventually bite the respective dealer, and perhaps even Honda.
Although Honda has great products, they need to be aware of this problem. Otherwise, their market share may be affected. I've seen similar tactics at Toyota dealerships, and most likely, it's for the same reasons. Both Honda and Toyota should be looking over their shoulders (don't laugh here!) at Hyundai. Hyundai's build-quality and reliability are approaching the levels most of us equate to Honda and Toyota with each new model. If you don't believe me, take a very close look at their current product line. Hyundai effectively is mirroring a very similar business model, product improvement, and growth as Toyota back in the '70s and '80s. It's almost analogous to electronics manufacturing . . . USA, Japan, Korea, and then China. It will be interesting to look back at the auto manufacturing trend in the year 2020 or so, and see if this occurs in this market. The Chinese are ready to jump into the USA market with at least two manufacurers.
Again, let's hope Honda corporate keeps its eye on their dealerships.
Why did I buy the HCH? 1) Cool technology, 2) super low emissions, 3) Honda reliability, 4) after driving fire-breathing gas-snorting sports coupes and SUVs, it's finally time I grow up. Our nation commutes in a cushy silo of comfort, easily forgetting that in doing this we rely on oil from distant lands where people don't like us much, where our boys and girls fight and die. We all bear some responsibility for this, and it's about time I took mine. I really don't feel like I'm sacrificing anything. The HCH seems to be a great car, and I'm very happy so far. As far as the cost justification of the hybrid vs. Civic LX or EX, that's really not a primary concern for me, though the tax credit is certainly welcome. It should be better. The president's energy plan, overall, is a sorry disappointment.
I'll follow up with my feedback after driving for a month or so. I'm gonna make a game out of getting the best mpg I can-- is 50 possible? Maybe not, we'll see! Whatever the mileage turns out to be, it's pretty likely to be more than double what I got in my previous car.
I am looking forward to the improved mileage I will get over my CR-V (Which was great as well)!
It made me a little leery because the site said the tires were discontinued (selling for $40 per tire).
Is this the tire other 06 HCH owners have on their cars? I would hope that Honda of Japan wouldn't be putting disposable (cheap) tires on their cars? When I asked Honda of America they weren't much help. They just said you either get bridgestones or dunlops -didn't know what specific model. :confuse:
My advice, if at all possible is to save for that new car and not pay any lending institution.
I guess that with money being as expensive as it is, it's kinda hard to subvent rates.
Most of our customers are using credit unions which are about a point below Honda.