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Newest Tacoma has Limited Slip??
Am purchasing Toyota Tacoma Truck. One dealer
we talked to mentioned that the 4 x 4 with the TRD
option had a "limited slip". Is that true??
we talked to mentioned that the 4 x 4 with the TRD
option had a "limited slip". Is that true??
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-wsn
How do you feel about it?
Carorder.com also has a limited slip listed as a component of their 4x4 off-road Tacoma; or at least they did the last time I checked (this morning). When we tried to order, the truck they located for us had the locker. What do you think we should do?
Thanks.
If you're doing any really hard-core off-roading, you would want the locker hands down. But, this doesn't sound like the case.
I think the salesman is full of BS. He probably doesn't know the difference between a locker and a LSD.
Frankly, this is the first I have heard of a Limited slip being offered by Toyota. About time.
Until next time,
Clint
Someone mentioned in passing that he couldn't wait until the new blowers came out in February. I have wondered what he was talking about. Coolers of some sort. I thought he was talking about the Tacoma--I could be wrong.
Head Gasket: Hey look it's Vince stirring up trouble in a non Ford room. Hey Vince i do not beleive that your friends 98 or newer TRD Tacoma blew his head gasket. I will eat my words if you provide this board with his VIN # and we can then verify this as a fact or not...
-wsn
Also i never doubted the results of the crashtests i just asked which model they tested, but instead of being MR TRUTHFUL, you avoid the question as usuall. Your reply will most likely avoid this spost as well and that will just prove my point further...
-wsn
WSN, I really wish there were some way I could prove to you that his headgasket did blow on his Tacoma.
I am glad to see you are finally coming to grips that your Tacoma performs terribly in crash tests.
As stated, what does it matter 4x4 or 4x2? You don't choose what is going to hit you. Fact is at www.crashtest.com and www.carpoint.msn.com both give Tacoma's the lowest crash test ratings in their class.
As far as coming to grips with the crash tests, i never doubted your sites info. As any intelligent human being could understand from my posts. What i would like to see are the results when they hit a 4x4 Tacoma. Any average joe can understand that when you change a varible in an equation that the results of that equation may/will be different. Would this same object stike lower on a 4x4 and be less likely to impact the door as much? Who knows, but this is what a test using a 4x4 Tacoma could show. Even your smart enough to realize this line of thought. And as far as carpoint goes, i'm with spoog on this one. You except everything about their reviews or you except nothing. I can except their reviews of both!
Can You?
Facts, not Fiction
-wsn
I know it happened, he knows it happened. His headgasket blew no doubt about it.
Good enough for the goose....
-wsn
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2. QUALITY Fit and finish are topnotch, of course.
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4. HANDLING Rear-wheel-drive models behave like cars.
5. CAPABILITY Four-wheel-drive Tacomas' off-road prowess is a cut above.
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5. CHOICES More limited than is the case with Ford and Chevrolet. Where are the extra doors?
6. REAR SEATS Being an acrobat or a contortionist is very helpful in getting to the Xtracab's rear seats; there's not a lot of room once you get there.
7. ROADHOLDING The high center of gravity of 4x4s make curves dicey; the Xtracab's length and wide turning radius make tight maneuvers nearly impossible
I accept every line of this! Do you accept every line of this
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5. EXTENDED CAB SuperCabs are equipped with two rear doors.
6. NICE FEATURES: Windshield wipers that sweep a large area at a good clip; bucket seats and a 60/40 split-bench seat that offer good support.
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5. STEERING Much too slow. The wide turning radius really hampers maneuverability.
6. 4-WHEEL DRIVE It's rather crude and isn't as versatile as the automatic all-wheel drive in the Explorer.
7. FUEL CONSUMPTION The V6s burn a lot of gas.
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most of all my friend who owns the Toyota knows it happened, me being a Ford owner knows it happend. My friend knowing I am a Ford owner tried to hide it from me knowing I would give him a hard time about his headgasket. This leads me to wonder how many other Toyota owners mask problems in surveys and with friends. Embarrased because all Toyota's are supposed to be perfect up to 1 billion miles and such.
A VIN is an item if publicly available information. A VIN is tied to a registration, which is tied to an address, and, possibley, an SSN (since many DMV's use SSN for a drivers license #).
And viola - bing, bam, boom, and the opportunity for identity theft exists, if not worse.
It is better NOT to open the door.
Front Porch Philosopher
SUV, Pickups, & Aftermarket and Accessories Host
Meredith: I see your point about VIN's but you leave out the fact that they are publically available on everybody's lower dash. I could walk outside and record a 100 of them by just gazing through the windshield. VIN's are public domain.
Example: a title search!
Vince: I did offer for you to show something from toyota with the VIN and the problem stated on it and just blank out the last few #'s of the VIN. I'm sorry but until you can prove it,
IT'S FICTION
-wsn
And, this "prove it" nonsense. Telling people to post pictures, VIN #s, retinal scans, etc... This is really getting STUPID! Grow up!
This is a discussion group. What is there to gain by lying? Is there some big prize for whoever harasses the other participants into finally not posting? If you think somebody is lying for whatever reason, don't have a discussion with them! It's that simple!
Back to the Point: This is titled Tacoma LSD and there is not available through Toyota. Ihope this helps who posted the original post. If still have doubts, try sending Toyota an email at thieir website, they are pretty good at getting back to you. You can also check with the Tacoma Territory folks (http://www.tacomaterritory.com) They are quite knowledgeable
Thanks again!
Before you do all of this, we just can't possibly believe what you say about your or other people's trucks.
Didn't you know that Ford owners get paid big $$$ by Ford to post Ford=good Other makes=bad messages? I'm still waiting for that fat check coming at the end of the month.
The world knows that an almighty TOYOTA cannot actually have something go wrong with it!!! They are God's automotive gift to us!!! Anyone who has the priviledge of owning one should worship it in the garage for 1 hour before they go to bed at night!!!
OK, OK enough of this. Back to reality here. I am not defending Vince but rather attacking stupidity. If you believe he or anyone else you're conversing with is untruthful, DON'T POST MESSAGES TO THEM!!!
THAN I AM 7FT TALL AND HAVE A DATE WITH MADONNA THIS WEEKEND!
CThomp: I agree that we should all take one another at their word, but spreading unprovable propaganda on an internet posting board is a bit over board. Don't you think?
-wsn
But, would you just disbelieve that a problem occured with a vehicle ONLY because it had a Toyota badge on it?
Now, if someone posted that a friend's ranger had blown its head gasket, would you tell him to prove it?
Toyota is the exception? They are flawless? A Ranger is lucky to pull itself off the lot without breaking down? That Toyota salesman must have shot you with his brain-washing gun if you're really to believe this!
So my '98 Ranger and my father-in-law's '98 Ranger are somehow these MAGICAL exceptions? We practiced witch-craft and voodoo to make them flawlessly performing trucks over the past 2yrs?
Uhhhh.... Sure Cliffy....
1) Vince is not pointing it out for knowledges sake. He is parading it around as a way to bash other peoples trucks. His reasons are malicios, or so it seems
2) I have a 98 Tacoma. I have inquired with many dealers and owners as to the existance of head gasket problems on 98 or newer Tacoma's. All say that it was resolved before the 98 production. Therefore i question anybody's statement that it has not.
So given the two, i was left with a bunch of owners and dealers saying it has been fixed, and nobody has ha this problem on their 98 or newer, and i was also faced with considering someone else's "Friends" account. That somebody else who has consistantly shown that he is biased agaist Toyota. Check out all his posts on this site. Or ask yourself why he is even on a toyota board when he ownes a ranger? It's quite obvios, to spread progaganda. Check out most of his post on edmunds.com , it will all make sense...
"But, would you just disbelieve that a problem
occured with a vehicle ONLY because it had a Toyota badge on it?"
To answer you question No. My disbelief is based on research not badges. I've never brought up any vehicles problems without being able to prove it.
-wsn
I know all about Vince's postings. I see them on most of the topics I frequent. He may be an absolute Ford fanatic, and many times I disagree with his opinions. But, I haven't seen him post anything that is an outright lie as you suggest.
The head gasket issue with the 3.4L has been around since its first iteration in the early '90s, the 3.0L. As far as I know, there has been no engine redesign. I would tend to believe that an engine that has head gasket problems in the past would be more prone to have head gasket problems in the future (when compared to others). The reason you or your friends haven't seen or heard of any problems from '98 or newer trucks is that they haven't put hours on the engine for a possible failure to occur yet. My '98 only has 20K miles on it. Head gaskets seem to go around 60-75K miles (trust me, i've got some experience here with my Quad-4). If car dealers were telling you that there might be a high possibility of head gasket failure when compared to other trucks, do you think they would sell any cars/trucks?
At least Toyota is stepping up to the plate any repairing anyone's vehicle who has the problem. That's the way you keep customers for life. Ford hasn't shown much social responsibility in the past, but they seem to be improving over the past decade or so (not to Toy's level, but they're making some progress).
That is not the case with the 3.0 engine. No body has been able to explain the difference, but these head gasket problems were different. The 3.0 took much longer to show up, usually after 60K miles. In the case of the 3.4, I was told it was faulty gasket materials and that is an easy fix. Toyota has been using the new gaskets since the '98 model year.
And yes, my comment about the Ranger was somewhat tongue in cheek but not entirely. There are certain vehicles that we just expect to see problems with. When we see a Chrystler product come in, our first question is when the transmission was replaced. When we see a Jeep drive up, we immediately check the 4WD selector and when a Ranger pulls up, the first check is to see if the electric transfer case is functioning and how loud the valve ticking noise is. If it has power windows, that is also something we look out for.
When a used Toyota comes in, we check to see if the campaign was done on the head gasket. If it wasn't, we get it done right away since Toyota pays for it. That is honestly the only recurring problem I see on this end.
Vince writes:
"Go with the LSD. The locker Toyota offers is a
sales gimmick. "
If providing a solid, flawlessly working real truck feature is a "sales gimmick" , I wish MORE trucks offered these "sales gimmicks".
" Lockers are only to be used at
crawling speeds and in a straight direction."
In other words for people who do serious offroading, unlike you Vinnie.
See, we take our trucks OFF The gravel roads.
I find it hilarious that you are spreading your hate to other toyota only groups.
Enjoy those gravel roads Vinnie!
Fact is most folks use their trucks offroad a fraction of the time in comparison to asphalt. The limited slip is much much more functional for everyday use. It helps to tow, haul, and pull when you need it at a moments notice. You don't have to engage a limited slip. We all know you don't own this Tacoma. You have slipped way too many times with offroad jargon or techniques, along with Tacoma specs, now run along.
I do some fairly serious winter offroading and some not quite so serious summer offroading and I would never, ever, choose locker over limited slip.
Locker is better than open, but in most applications limited is better than locker. You cannot turn with a locker engaged - short of using the emergency brake and hauling the wheel around anyway. You (usually) cannot drive at more than 5mph with a locker engaged.
Do serious off roaders drive in straight lines at less than 5mph, yes, is that all they do, no of course not.
The only situation that I have been in where I was truly grateful for a locker was coming up a wet, steep, boat ramp. I couldn't get up so a stranger hooked up his GMC (2500HD I think) with a locker and hauled the boat out.
Shouldn't this stuff be in the Taco vs. Ranger topic?