By accessing this website, you acknowledge that Edmunds and its third party business partners may use cookies, pixels, and similar technologies to collect information about you and your interactions with the website as described in our
Privacy Statement, and you agree that your use of the website is subject to our
Visitor Agreement.
Comments
NOT AVAILABLE with CQ, OF.
$76 $95
Boy , you REALLY know you have lost the argument when you have to start debating Tachometers. lol.
This is over. Has been since the day I arrived on this forum.
the Tacoma.
A complaint of mine against Ford. Build a 4X4 you
should have skid plates. "
See, this is the problem. They didn't build a 4x4. They built a comfortbale pickup for hauling dirt and supplies from Home Depot. The suspension is purely a highway one, and the standrad payload is very weak.
NOT ONE ASPECT of Ford's design philosophy is for offroading. Even that cheesy "Ford lets customers visit design center" post never mentions a dirt road anyhwere near the testing facility.
Until FORD starts designing trucks with offroading in mind, they will never be good 4x4's. The older f150's and Rangers used to be halfway decent, but not anymore.
Sorry gang, it's just a difference in design philosophy between Toyota and Ford.
My point is that these pricing guides are only useful in determining a ballpark amount. There are numerous factors, both objective and subjective, that must be taken into account when determining residual value.
If you want to believe these pricing guides as gospel, then go ahead. They generally rate a Ranger's resale value higher than a Tacoma when you look at it as a % of original cost.
My point is that these pricing guides are only useful in determining a ballpark amount. There are numerous factors, both objective and subjective, that must be taken into account when determining residual value.
If you want to believe these pricing guides as gospel, then go ahead. They generally rate a Ranger's resale value higher than a Tacoma when you look at it as a % of original co
If the Toyota actually cost the same or even remotely near the Ranger and offered more standard equipment, you might actually have a point.
Alas, it doesn't.
Also, you're preaching about resale values and Kelley being the absolute final word. In reality, you're nowhere close. BTW, I've been working in public accounting as an auditor for the past few years and majored in finance and accounting in college. If you think you know more about finance and financial institutions, I'd love to hear why.
I don't argue with facts. If you happen to post any, I'd be glad to discuss them with you.
Finally, that little "Caps Lock" light doesn't mean the keyboard is all fired up and ready to go! :oD
Don't beleive Kelly Blue Book? Go to any other car/truck resale site on the internet. The Tacoma doesn't hold its value any better than the Ranger. Certainly not 2-4K better.
Fact is the TRD is limited in where you can use the locker, how fast you can go. I know because I have a friend who owns a TRD! He rarely uses his locker if ever... He has even admitted he could do without it and it was an expense he did not need, along with the whole TRD package.
Fact is the Ranger is coming this fall with a 4.0 SOHC 205HP 240ft/lbs of torque monster that is going to make Toyota boys cry.. Toyota started it with its 3.4, along with Chevy with its 4.3, Ford answered this HP war...
As far as ground clearance we have been through this over and over.. A stock Ranger comes with some pretty pathetic tires.. I always recommend to new Ranger owners "Drop the Firejunkers".. I also put some P265x75R16's all terrains on my Ranger and a TRD may have about a 1/2" advantage.
Every time I hear that resale argument I almost die laughing.
1. Compares an automatic to a manual. From the article itself. "On the trail, we found the automatic transmission to be a double-edged sword. The smoothness of the First-to-Second shift, combined with the inherent low-end grunt of the engine, was almost enough to overcome the taller gearing. And in the end, voting followed individual preferences for manuals versus automatics."
2. Compare a 4.1 rearend to a 3.73 rearend. even tho Ford offers a 4.1 rearend.
3. Ranger tested only had 235/75 tires on 15 inch rims instead of 245/75 on 16" rims.
4. Ford has revised the Suspension every year since 98
5. not an error but to note A $5000 price differnce.
6. All of the FORD performance numbers go out the window when the sohc 4.0 makes it debut.
Now all of those seem to make the 3 year old article obsolete to me.
And to ayone who thinks a 2wd prerunner can outperform ANY 4wd Truck is just showing how little they actually go offroading. Just my oppinion.
Now i wont say that the trd 4wd is a nice Sticker becuase i think its a nice package. But on a Prerunner it is a sticker. He!! the whole prerunner truck is about image. why do you need an offroad suspension on a 2wd Truck.
A friend of mine works in the Andersen tax department. He works some crazy hours during busy season. I don't think he really gets a day off for 4 months.
Where'd you defect to?
I was wondering what would be the best choice to recommend as we've been discussing it.
I suggested that a 4-cylinder manual tranny with a locker would be the best choice. He commutes a ton of miles (over a 100 a day) and wants something that's good on gas. How's its drivability. Is it gonna be a drastic performance drop from his 3.0L auto in his other truck?
He's also a bit price conscious. I think he's overly optimistic about the trade value of his truck too and what kind of deal a Toyota dealer would give him.
Any advice that I'd be able to pass along to him would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Colin
scottssss- In a wash or much of the desert, I am confident that the PreRunner will easily outperform the stock 4X4 Ranger. In those areas 4 wheel drive will rarely be required and the PreRunner's suspension and tires are far superior to the stock Ranger. If the PreRunner gets stuck, the locker will get it free. You may have trouble accepting that, but that doesn't change the truth.
Funny you mention alligators!!! There were two caught at Lake Mead last year. From the sewers?????
Maybe I'll give a headhunter a chance. It seems like you had a pretty good experience with them.
Refer to post #430.
BTW, I wouldn't even consider a vehicle's nameplate before offering to help out a stranded motorist.
-Colin A.K.A. "Smart Guy"
p.s. Do you guys think I should make this my new handle?
Isn't there some difference between posi-traction and a limited slip differential? I thought there is some minor mechanical functionality that's different.
I'd never consider a 2wd truck without some form of anti-slipping rear differential.
I think every manufacturer has "something" that makes it different "we put this here not there" and thats why its different. Are'nt most engines very similiar? A 90 degree V8 from pluto should be naturally balanced, same as a 90 degree V8 from mars.
This is a response to an earlier post on topic 1813, around post 607.
But...
I don't agree about the Lim-Slip-Dif.
If you have an open axle, lose traction, and start a tire spinning, all of the engine's power will be spent through the spinning tire. The other tire is getting no power. So, you don't move at all.
Trust me. I've been stuck in my driveway in a few inches of snow because of an open axle.
With a Lim-Slip-Dif, power is transferred to the non-spinning wheel. The wheel with traction gets the engine's power.
In the situation where you're talking about the back end of the truck moving sideways, it can happen with an open or LSD axle. It's basically putting too much power to the rear wheels, breaking traction, and sliding the back end out.
Fact is the Tacoma has lost its resale edge, go to vehix.com, carpoint.com, Edmunds, Kelly, they all say the same thing... Sorry to burst your resale bubble....
flynnb, your new here, Last year I posted that on a trip up into the Cascades I ran across a stranded guy in a Tacoma. We were at least 15 miles off the nearest road that had any traffic on it. He was glad to see me, and my Ranger.. His truck just up and quit on him. I never mentioned a word, nor put down his truck... Just took him to the nearest phone.. :-))
With a locker, both tires spin all the time, it doesn't matter if one gets airborne or not...
With an open axle (What most Toyota's have) only one tire spins...
And 4wd Ranger owners here, how bout a lil help, Spoog and AK are trying to sayt a 2wd Truck will outperform your 4wd Rangers.
I take my Ranger 4x4 XLT supercab stepside into the Cascade mountains here in the NW and have never, ever had a problem getting where I need to go. Granted, I did dump the pathetic Firestones and opted for a P265x75R16 8ply all terrain tire, what a world of difference!
4 wheeler-
"The TRD Tacoma handled the rough stuff better than any vehilce we have EVER driven..........."
Our resident Tacoma weasel spoog barfed that comment on Limited Slip differentials. You, jaguar, are totally correct. A LS is an advantage off-roading. Not as good as a locker but not bad either.
"...little dip..."
in refering to someone taking a prerunner where a 4X4 should go.
Any Colorado prerunners that wish to "TRY" to 4 wheel please show up at the enterence to Medano pass road, Col hwy 69 and FR 559 on the 8th of July. You will make it maybe 7 miles in before a Ranger pulls you off the mountain.
I do not disagree with you regarding a Ranger could use better shocks, most any vehicle stock shocks are not the best. However I completely disagree regarding a Tacoma PreRunner being anywhere in the league of my Ranger.
Show up at Medano and be prepared to be badly humiliated.
I have been over it, and a while a preRunner may make it it will not be very easy.
Do not discount my Ranger's ability until you have been where it has been.
"Vooom, voooom, dreamin about them Rocky Mtns."
To answer a previous question and I, unlike others do answer questions, I chose the 99 and 98 KBB values just at random. If you go back to 95 or so the Tacoma holds maybe a 1-1.5k advantage in resale. But do not forget the Tacoma cost 3k or so more.
There is a dealer in todays Rocky Mtn News selling loaded Ranger XLT Supercab 4X4 for 18.6K.
It is where I got my Ranger year and a half ago for 17.4K, with 2.9% finance charge vs taking the $1,000 cash back.
With interest rates up more than 2% from that time looks like an even better deal(thank the current admin. in DC for those increases BTW)
Never consulted or asked the state reps or the wishes of the majority of the state of Colo. Same trick used in So. Utah(but there was something about oil reserves in that one)
Guess it is the cost of legacy making. . .when there is nothing else to fall back on for an accomplishment. . .
Did it in your area too vince8.
What, other than new spiffy colors, does Toyota have planned? Same tired 3.4 engine, same drive train, same uncomfortable seats, same old style dash. . .?
Ia am a bit more impressed that Ford would contact and pay all the expenses to fly people to Dearborn to discuss the Ranger.
http://www.fordranger.com/RangerProgram.html