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A serious comment though. Chevy made it clear when they redesigned the Silverado that they wanted to cater to the old school buyers. Is this an indication that maybe they're changing that thinking???
Flynn, Chevy has 0 fleet sales, Ford is junk and Toyota makes the best hamburgers.
Admit it, it's boring if not for the entertainment we bring.
BTW, why would it be "stingin us" that the Tundra hasn't sold a gazillion units yet? I think that manufacturers typically limit their production during the first year of manufacturing a new product. So what? If we really cared about that, we would have waited a couple of years before buying our Tundras. By then, I'm sure the production/sales will be way up. I see more and more of them on the road, being *worked hard*, every day
You want an SUV?? 3 To chose from now: Explorer, Expedition, Excursion
Small pickup truck? Ranger be the one.
Big Pickup truck? Ford F-150, F-250, F-350, F-450, F-550, F-650, or F-750
Bigger pickup truck with a Tundra bed? F-150 SuperCREW
There's no reason not to buy a Ford you see.
Go down to your Local Ford dealer today, let's get rid of your truck you got now, and go get yourself one of these.
1 Vibration fixed!!!!!
2 Have you RACED another truck yet
3 First door ding cramam
4 Option DH- Towing Trailer Hitch
5 RX 300
6 Wiring harness defect
7 why some tires spin-out and others don't
8 Tundra vibrations due to tires?
9 Upgrade Flasher?
10 Tundra Following
11 how much can I expect to pay
12 Line-X Liner
13 Tundra Jamboree
14 CD skips
15 Tundra Exhaust Rattle
16 Front Tire Pressure
Conclusion:
While F-150 buyers are having engines break, exhaust leaks, door cracks, leather chipping, this is what Tundra's are having:
Door Dings
Wiring harness defect
Vibrations (Only real one)
And their CD Skips.
Wow what are we going to do???
The NUMBER ONE PROBLEM is the 65% people with DOOR CRACKS on trucks that are maximum 3 years old. That is pathetic. Let's get a brand new shiny truck just to see a year or two later cracks on the doors.
That's quality
I have yet to see a Tundra doing anything but drive down the street,Haven't seen one towing anything or any real weight in the back.They're not trucks.They are a yuppie niche.Maybe they should rename it the Toyota Niche.
You also honestly think that Ford could compete in Japan? Have you ever seen a Japanese customer when they take delivery? They bring a tape measurer and calipers with them. Don't tell me an F150 could withstand that kind of scrutiny.
You were also the one who claimed that the rear doors opened on the highway. Could you possibly explain this one to me. It is impossible to open the rear door without the front one being opened first. If you had ever given one a cursory look, you would know that.
Now for you Bill. You think GM will own Toyota or Honda within 10 years? That's funny because I read an article in Fortune a few months ago that was speculating the Toyota would own GM in the next few years. As far as their relationship with Honda, Honda reluctantly agreed to make it look like a joint venture. GM needed a reliable car engine and can't do one themselves so they will get the Honda V6. Honda was not happy with the 4.8 but will take it for the money they will get out of GM.
Are you both really this blinded by GM loyalty? If so, you really need professional help.
Your question:
WHY if the Ford
trucks are garbage and so unreliable are they the
#1 year after year and #1 selling vehicle in the
world.
This is any easy one. First off I never said Ford's were junk at all. They are the best of the BIG3 by far in terms of reliability. You can get a Supercab 4x2 F-150 for pretty reasonable price, it's a nice looking truck, and has good power and backseat even in V6 form. You get a lot of truck for the buck. This is why it is the #1 selling truck.
The Tundra will never be the #1 selling truck, but you can't even compare them at this point because the Tundra is brand new. It takes awhile for a new vehicle to become mainstream. They are not unreliable, but they do have some problems (as I mentioned door cracks, etc.). The quality is just not there with Toyota. It's just plain 2nd.
In contrast, you get less truck for the buck (As trucksrme says) when you purchase the Tundra. Very true indeed. However to me it's like this:
You can buy a new Chevy Malibu for about $2,000 less than a comparably equipped accord and you may even get a couple gizmos that the Honda Accord doesn't have. However, if I were buying I would go for the vehicle that gets "Well Above Average" in reliability reviews versus "Well Below Average". I'm just not into buying a vehicle that is unreliable. I already have one.
Tell me, besides trucks, what does GM build that anybody in their right mind would spend money on? The Lumina? Cavalier? Malibu? Boy, that's a company going places.
Trucksr4me are you for real? All of the manufacturers make a pretty good product or they would not be in business for long!
Please read the entire article. Even the GM execs admit that Toyota has superior quality!
G.M. has had imports in the past and rebadged them as their own. Chevy Luvs come to mind(and this was before GM owned part of Isuzu) The NUMMI plant is a joint venture with Toyota isn't it? And it's been around forever. All the GEO's were Suzukis I think. I'll leave out Opel because I guess they were owned by G.M. but still an import.
As far as cars being desirable maybe we can start a new topic. For every "classic" GM muscle car you mention I'll come back with a Ford and I'm sure Moparmad will come back with a desirable Chrysler. Heck, Bamatundra will come back with old desirable Toyotas!LOL!!!
Glad you adore GM, they need the support.(just kidden')
Feds Investigate GM Suburban
by NEDRA PICKLER
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal safety agency is investigating more than 760,000 sport utility vehicles made by General Motors Corp. after complaints that some batteries leak acid, which can cause loss of power and increase the risk of a crash.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said Tuesday that there have been 212 complaints about the problem, including reports of two crashes and one injury. GM reports 25,122 warranty claims related to the problem on the Chevrolet Suburban and Tahoe and the GMC Yukon.
The agency has upgraded the investigation into the vehicles from model years 1995 through 1997 to study the batteries. It notes the problem may be related to warmer temperatures, since 60 percent of complaints came from California, Florida, Georgia and Texas.
A General Motors spokesman said the company is aware of the investigation and is cooperating with NHTSA.
NHTSA also upgraded its investigation into 1993 to 1998 model years of the Mercury Villager and Nissan Quest.
There have been 18 complaints from Villager owners and 23 from Nissan owners that fuel leaks from cracked or deteriorated fuel tank vent hoses. There are 389,963 of the Villagers on the road and 276,181 Quests.
NHTSA opens any safety investigation with a preliminary inquiry in which the government and manufacturer exchange paperwork that includes any complaints.
The investigation then could be upgraded to an engineering analysis, during which engineers study parts to see if they are defective, as in the GM, Mercury and Nissan cases. An investigation eventually can lead to a recall, but many are dropped.
Among the recalls in Tuesday's monthly defect report:
--Dodge Ram from model years 1994-1996; ignition switch and wiring can overheat; 690,000 on the road.
--1995 Mazda Protege; headlights may blink because of headlight switch lead wire damage, which can result in complete loss of headlights; 79,000 on the road
--1998 Buick Park Avenue; front seat shoulder belts may twist, which can make the belt unusable; 77,952 on the road.
NHTSA also began a preliminary investigation into some Firestone tires after some consumers complained that the tire tread can separate while driving at highway speeds.
There have been 90 complaints, including reports of 33 crashes resulting in 27 injuries and 4 deaths.
''Some drivers heard a loud noise seconds before the loss of control, but others heard nothing,'' said a NHTSA report. ''Those that did hear a noise often reported that the loss of control occurred so quickly they were not able to avoid a collision.''
The investigation involves the ATX, ATX II and Wilderness models, which were installed as original equipment on some Ford Explorer, Ranger and F150 vehicles and were also available as replacement tires for those and other vehicles.
[Folks must be workin 'em too hard down on the fawrm, eh?]
Trend. They did a comparison of "full size"
pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy
Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1
gears(which by the way is only rated to tow
8000lbs).
They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8
and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra
Access Cab V8.
You would think that this would be a mismatch.
The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear
seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.
Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:
"And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of
overall performance and sophistication - on road
and off - we have to say Tundra."
Here are some facts:
4/10/00 Toyota Tundra is Consumer Reports Top Pick
for Full Sized Pickup in 2000!
http://www.consumerreports.org/news/autos/Reports/toppick.htm
3/3/00 Toyota's New Millennium Truck
http://truckworld.com/Truck-Tests/Toyota-Tundra/tundra.html
1/9/00 4-Wheel & Off-Road Magazine 4x4 Truck of
the Year!
12/22/99 Motor Trend Magazine announces the 2000
Toyota Tundra as the Truck of the Year!
http://www.motortrend.com/
5/4/00 Toyota vehicles dominate this year's
quality survey rankings by J.D. Power
http://cnnfn.com/2000/05/04/companies/wires/carsurvey_wg/
Oh! - I forgot Big3 posters in this topic don't
believe anything that is in magazines. That is
because the magazines all say that the Tundra is
The best full size 1/2 ton pickup.
You prefer to get your info from Billy Bob down
the road a piece. (or hicksrme) LOL
got 2 or 3 more handles like tundrasaursrex and
the like. Remember, there just aint that many
tundra owners too begin with, that factory was only able too trick a handful into buyin them limited ones now. Good luck on this one now!
Any more than that your on your own.
Enjoy your trucks, let it be a Tundra or something else!
Have a great day!
Now a full size Mercedes pick-up...what a concept.
BTW Nissan is in the process developing a full size pick-up release date not know.
http://www.detnews.com/1998/specials/crossroads/details/details.htm
Now, Toyota does very well in the CART series which has no such restriction. Also, Toyota is currently working with NASCAR to develop rules to allow for Toyota/Lexus products to compete. If I remember correctly, there will be a Toyota in next years Busch series and the following year will see other cars and trucks (yes, Tundras).
Now, tell me exactly what your point here is. Why exactly do you participate in this discussion?
Have a great evening!