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http://hotimg8.fotki.com/a/76_169/15_125/mustang_chains-Medium-.jpg
I'm guessing former Honda or Toyota owner.
Gotta love it!
The only way that would work is if he would drive in reverse all the time :surprise:
I am glad I found this discussion. Bought 09 Odyssey in Feb this year and I used to drive 98 Sienna before. Since I bought Odyssey, I am hitting almost every curb in the parking lots and it is very annoying. In the last winter storm in North East, we had about 5-6" of snow and I had spots of compacted snow on my driveway. My odyssey was scraping that compacted snow every time I drove on my driveway.
I will appreciate if someone can suggest how to increase that front ground clearance on Odyssey
Thanks
Ask other Ody owners to see what sizes fit without any clearance issues. Also be sure to change all 4 tires, actually 5 with the spare, so that the stability control doesn't go crazy.
However, I read today that JD Powers is saying December sales picked up significantly, up more than 10% from last year. If inventories are low, discount will not increase, in fact they could disappear.
Tough call.
I was impressed with the 2006 Sienna LE nice front door panels, the huge cargo space behind the 3rd row seats, the attractive instrument cluster in the dark warehouse where the dealer stored his new Toyotas, and the comfortable 8 way power driver's seat.
However, my initial excitement with the Sienna wore off quickly when we realized it was inferior to the less expensive T&C LX. For $$$$ more, the Sienna did not have separately controlled temperature for the driver and front passenger which was standard on my T&C. The Sienna Trip Computer is inferior to the trip computer in the 2002 T&C. The front passenger and 2nd row seats of the location is not as accessible as was the spare tire in the T&C. The stereo and HVAC controls are not as convenient to use as those in the Chrysler....and the list goes on and on.
We did not have to place a deposit to test drive a Honda Odyssey but there was a requirement of a $ 500 deposit to get on the waiting list for a 2006 Odyssey when we bought our new 2006 Sienna. There was no waiting list for the less desireable Sienna when we were ready to buy.
for all your complaining you would think you might become a happier person by selling it to someone who wants it and getting something you do not feel cheated by.
Chrysler does deserve kudos for being first with some innovative features, but I wouldn't even put it in the top tier among today's minivans.
the Sienna did not have separately controlled temperature for the driver and front passenger
You'll be glad to hear the 2011 Sienna LE has not only two but THREE zone climate control. Problem solved, and now it leads in that category.
The Sienna Trip Computer
It's been improved not to mention the similar priced Odysseys don't have one at all. Remember this thread is Sienna vs. Ody. So you pointed out another Sienna advantage. Thanks.
not as accessible as was the spare tire in the T&C
Toyota offers run-flats for those who want them.
There was no waiting list for the less desireable Sienna when we were ready to buy
It was more desirable to YOU, that's where you put your hard earned money.
Now that you're looking to replace your van, and you know the Sienna LE has 3 zone climate control, I guess you'll rule out the T&C and Ody for not offering that?
I mean, that's so important to you, after all.
LOL
More than once yet you're posting it over and over because...why?
He did not realize that in 2006, but he does now. He repeats this because it is vitally important.
Clearly, the way to go today is the 2011 Sienna LE, which is the only game in town with 3-zone climate control in its price range.
I'm sure he'll buy that and not repeat the devastating mistake he made in 2006 going with fewer zones.
It seems you work for Chrysler or something. Seriously,get real dude.
02 T&C is superior to the 04 Sienna and has a better interior.. What a joke?? Just Stop all the stupid tirade and go get another T&C. Your posts are junk just like your screen name. :sick:
I personally like the plush,comfy ride of the Sienna rather than the firm,taut Ody`s ride but these are 2 vans for 2 different buying segments and both are much more reliable than the T&C. No comparison really regarding reliability. :shades:
The 2011 Sienna has gotten good reviews and will be in high demand in it`s 1st year. I hope the new redesigned 2011 Ody comes out soon and be competitive to the Sienna. Competition is always good.I am positive that the redesigned Odyssey will have some innovative features and an agile sporty ride. Better for the buyer if there are competing vans and keeps the makers on their toes -- or else they will stagnate and go into BK like chrysler !!
They were clearly a full generation behind when he bought his 2006. I know side curtain airbags still were not standard on the Grand Caravan even a year later. I found one for under $21k but didn't want to sacrifice safety features for the family.
Dodge caught up on features but forgot about materials quality. My brother rented one in Florida so we compared them side-by-side for a full week. No contest at all IMO. The Ody/Sienna are in a class above.
Still not sure the 2011 content is finalized but I'm reading the 3-zone climate control will be standard even on the very base model.
http://www.autonews.com/article/20100118/VIDEO/301189875/1354
Check out that DVD screen, my 12" suddenly seems small.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/18/toyota-releases-full-product-information-guid- e-for-2011-sienna/
Yes, 3 zone is on all Siennas.
Here's a pic of the seat fully deployed:
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef1889e/60#MSG60
The 8th seat in the Sienna is one of a number of disappointments with the direction Toyota took their new van. I plan to bypass this generation of vans and keep our 2008 Sienna another ten years but I'm curious to see what Honda does inside and with the options. If they follow Toyota's course I'll be especially hoping nothing happens to what we have now.
I like the exterior of the 11 Sienna a little better, but the Honda is pretty good too, and the interior of the Honda is just better-designed IMO. I just picked up a 2010 Odyssey a few days ago and love it thus far.
However, let's acknowledge that the odd looking lightning bolt windows does serve a function - that 3rd row window should be low enough that the kids who sit there can use it. Function over form, big time.
Plus the 2011 Ody's mileage is supposed to be improved. I hope if they use VCM that they offer it on ALL models.
Finally, someone told me the Ody's 8th seat is supposed to be full-sized? If so, this reversal alone might have me more interested in the Ody next time around (won't be for a while, I'm driving the wheels off my 07 Sienna).
I can get over ugly, as long as it serves a purpose, has 8 real seats, and comes with great gas mileage. If Honda can boost the horsepower they'll have a winner no matter how it looks.
Now Pontiac Aztec - sorry, wouldn't drive it if you gave it to me for free.
It is just a concept, so let's see what the production model looks like. If they water it down a bit, it might look allright.
Instead, when I saw the pics, within 5 mins I decided not only do I not want to wait for it, but I actually WANT TO MAKE SURE I get a 2010 because I don't want to get stuck with Mr. Lightning bolt that they'll be selling for the next 6 years......so I immediately began the buying process for my 2010.....
Some folks saw the new, smaller 8th seat in the 2011 Sienna and went out to buy 2010s right away, also.
No way to make everyone happy. Nice thing is you can still find 2010s, and it should be the same way for Honda when it comes out, for a little while.
I love it when a new model comes out.
" Oh, I just love the changes"
" Why did they mess it up?"
Most people like the changes but there are always a few that don't.
One woman drilled me for fifteen minutes because we took the spare tire off of the back door on CRV's!
Same with colors...
" Oh honey, look at that beautiful green color"
or...
" Oh YUCK...what a pukey green color...what was Honda thinking?"
I suppose this is why restaurants have menus.
Sadly that has become industry standard. It saves weight and cost, so everyone does it now, with only a few exceptions.
The designers of the 1996 Taurus took that car from the segment leader to sales disappointment because the designed polarized people. No problem if you have a low-volume 'Niche' vehicle but the Odyssey is a segment leader and by definition has more people to satisfy.
Another example is the Ford 500 vs the New Taurus. Although Industry wide vehicle sales are down, the revised modern, understated elegance of the new vehicle inside and out have actually increased the models sales numbers.
Funny thing is, I've got three little ones and even in their car seats, they all can see out all the windows of our Sienna without a 'Kink' in the beltline and I'd rather our families Minivan look as good as possible than worrying about justifying some designers 'Lightning Bolt' on the side.
We love our Sienna, but the 2011, interior materials vs. the 10's and earlier (soft touch materials) is very disappointing. If Toyota did this to the things me and the wife can see and touch, what did they skimp that we can't see? Sad thing is the 11 Sport Edition we absolutely love the exterior.
I know if I was buying an 8 passenger minivan today, it would be the 2010 Sienna. If I wanted a 7 Pax van, the Current Odyssey would get my money. (DVD controls and control of the rear HVAC blower right next to the driver as it should be. If you can wait awhile, I'd look at the 11 Ody when it comes out.
The only people that complain about the lack of a "full sized" spare are old men.
I guess they remember the "old days" when getting flat tires were a common occurance. A modern compact spare can be driven at prudent highway speeds for quite a distance. They are used to conserve space and reduce weight.
And the full sized flat WILL fit in that well. Just not flush.
The spare will fit in the well but it won't fit flush.
Certainly not a big deal to me.
As you'll see in this Dateline NBC video, those tires cause LOTS of problems, breaking windows and ruining entire tailgates, instead of just the bumper.
Dateline Low-Speed Crash Test Video
That's what insurance companies are for!
Especailly the other guys!
Personally, I don't care where the spare tire is.
Roof rack I suppose.
I was driving from Ocean City, MD to the DC area, about a 3 hour drive, and got a flat right about half way, in Bridgeville, MD.
Luckily I had a full sized spare (98 Forester).
If the same thing happened today, I'd be driving for 90 minuts on a donut, crossing the Chesapeake Bay Bridge at less than 50mph.
Like I said, it's industry-standard now, so I won't complain because none of the carmakers are listening.
That I agree with.
I'm just not sure it went in the right direction.
Let's see the production model, though.
The dog-leg kink in the Hyundai Genesis coupe's C-pillar has grown on me (though I sort of liked it the first time I saw it). It's distinctive.
1.) When my car is older (as my '96 is currently) I insure it liability only. Its worth less than $3k, so I'm not going to pay the $1500/yr+ it'd cost me to put collision coverage on that car. Now who cares? Me.
2.) Even WITH full coverage, if my deductable is $500 (it is) on my newer, full-coverage car, I'd take a $300 hit, leave the insurance company completely out of it, and keep my rates from going up because I've gotten hit. At $2,500, I'm out the $500 plus I'm more likely to get increased rates because of the accident claim I reported.