I'm a 60 year old male, pretty much bald, and always drive a convertible sans hat. Ordered flint grey C70 in December in Illinois, told delivery would be in March, everyone seems to get a different message. Probably nobody in the USA knows what's going on. I kind of think of the C70 as an older person's car - not gender specific. It's aim is comfort and style, things you usually don't appreciate at a young age.
First choice for the C70 would be white(our current C70 is Polar White), then Flint. Our Miata turned into a Tribute in '01...Trib morphed into the C70 about 18 months ago. Our V70 recently changed into our new RX 330...we need one Home Depot vehicle to help update our 50 year old house. I actually was looking at 4-5 year old Miatas for a fun car but...the kitchen redo cost $10k more than planned...then we had 22 OLD pine trees removed from the yard...then we started replacing windows in the house...next will be a new driveway. It will take a miracle to pull off the trip to Sweden at this rate! BTW, living in Atlanta I fully understand Beltway traffic!
At my house, we need to get the outside of the house painted, maybe replace windows, there are some trees in the back yard that I get nervous about every time we have a big thunderstorm with a lot of high wind - but I still figure, what the heck, I've wanted a convertible for a LONG time and this is one I can feel safe in. And sexy and stylish and all that good stuff.
Trip to Sweden pretty much pays for itself though, no? I figure one of the week long tours for $1,000 or so, plus the 8 - 10% discount for OSD, and I still come out ahead vs. buying the car in the U.S. Is that right or am I missing something?
Interesting both you guys like Flint. For me, the only three colors I would consider are red, the light blue, and the white. Hubby likes red so that's probably the way we'll go. All the others look like sedate sedan colors to me.
Blamb, I think you're right about this car being aimed at the older generation and emphasizing style and comfort. I saw an article in the business section someplace that said Volvo is aiming at affluent empty-nesters with this. I think that's right. When I start figuring how to pay for it, I'm debating whether to cash in a mutual fund that's doing nothing for me, or use my cash savings, or finance part of it. That's a whole different financial place to be than when I was in my 30's.
The only drawback on the trip to Sweden is that when you return the car doesn't return with you. It will arrive at your dealership 6-8 weeks after you return, if you can cover that the OSD should be a great choice. I doubt if you'll get much of a discount on a C70 in the States. I went to 3 dealershilps for a measly $1,000.00 off, hardly worth the running around - though I'm one of the few people I know who enjoys dealing with car sales people.
I was somewhat interested in a white C70, but did not know what they meant by white pearlescent - is it straight white or does it have subtle changes in the color at different angles?
I've only been to Europe once(Italy--two years ago) and if I HAD to buy the new C70, it would be easy to justify another trip. If you HAD to go to Europe and rent a car, you would save even more by driving your own new C70--plenty of ways to SAVE money--just have to spend $40K to do it!
One problem is the 'bath' we are likely to take when selling the '04 C70 to make room for the new one. This frequent car shopping was a bit easier when dealing with twelve thousand dollar Miatas and Tributes in the low $20s.
Comfort-wise, the current C70 is fantastic(except for trunk space) compared to a two-seater...room for the dog and more than one tennis racket. Being wrapped in steel and airbags has its advantages, as well. The Miata would certainly not be a daily driver but the C70 might as well be a 'regular' car from a safety/comfort standpoint. We might even get the top down later in the week--a little different from the weather up your way! Have fun in the snow!
I don't care about the wait - well, I do care, because I'd love to have the car - but we're not going to sell our Maxima, so from that standpoint it won't make any difference. We'll keep the Max for another 80,000 miles, I think. Great car and I love it. The C70 would be a second car.
The white pearlescent is a sort of shimmery white. It almost borders on ivory. There was one at the Wash. Auto Show. Very pretty. It's the most expensive color option - though when you're spending this much, what's another $200, right?
I went down to our local Volvo dealership and introduced myself to the guy I'd been in e-mail contact with. He seemed very pleasant, showed me the S40 and pointed out where the convertible will be the same. Also put me in another car to listen to the sound system, which he said was the same as the basic radio in the C70.
The S40 happened to be Passion Red, one of the colors I'm interested in, so that was good to see.
Well, can't say we HAVE to go to Europe, but I've never been to Sweden, so that looks interesting. Also we could make a stop in London and maybe see some friends (although that would be a stop-over by air, no way am I driving a brand-new car on the wrong side of the street in England!)
"One problem is the 'bath' we are likely to take when selling the '04 C70 to make room for the new one."
Now this, I don't get. If your current car isn't paid off, and you basically still like it and it runs well, and you'd take a big hit financially, why do it?
"Have fun in the snow!" - Thanks for that! We did have fun - we live on a steep cul-de-sac so all the kids were out with their sleds this a.m., until the snowplow came around and ruined their fun.
Now this, I don't get. If your current car isn't paid off, and you basically still like it and it runs well, and you'd take a big hit financially, why do it?
Actually, we financed $20K on the C70 about 18 mos ago(3.9% w/Volvo)...had paid cash for the previous few vehicles...so the financing hit is not the prob. The last of the '04s were so heavily discounted that the resale value is quite low BUT that doesn't mean we don't want the new toy! It's a bit like the new kitchen...our original $12K upgrade turned into a complete $30K redo...AND the kitchen didn't get any bigger! It's just a matter of how much money one wishes to spend for 'stuff'. The new C70 is just more 'stuff'...really nice new 'stuff' but 'stuff' nontheless.
Color-wise, I would prefer a non-metallic, non-pearlized finish but none are available. Interesting that there is an 'upcharge' for any of the C70 finishes--like you could get one without for base price! :surprise:
Yeah, I understand where you're coming from, on spending more on home improvements than the budget originally called for. We did the same on our new house. At least that will appreciate over time.
I was just wondering yesterday if people who bought the '04s were really going to get hit on depreciation - guess you just answered that question!
The 04s are still a decent car, though. Maybe if you sell it privately rather than trade it in you'll get a better price on it.
Interesting philosophical question on spending money for new "stuff." I haven't had a car payment for so long, I'd hate to go back to that. But I also figure "if not now, when?" At some point you just have to enjoy some goodies!
For colors, you can get either red or black as a standard, non-metallic, no upcharge, color. I think we'll be getting red.
I am having trouble choosing between the Volvo C70, Saab 9-3 Aero Cabrio, or BMW 330CiC.
All 3 vehicles are about the same price (when options are equalized). I really like the concept of a hardtop convertible that has back seats, but I too am worried about getting the Volvo b/c (1) 1st model year, (2) possible expensive repairs on hardtop, and (3) Volvo's T5 engine can't match the Saab turbo or BMW 6 cylinder.
All 3 cars are well-designed, safe & classy vehicles, but I don't want to be kicking myself in 5 years, hence my dismay over this decision.
I haven't driven the Volvo yet (and can't as I'm buying the car through their military sales program), but I can confirm that the Saab & BWM are excellent cars in almost every respect.
If you're looking to keep the car for a long time, the bmw is and the end of its cycle and is certianly better debugged (saab:new engine, volvo: new convertible). Plus, i think it drives better than the saab droptop, and the rear seats are actually usable.
I think it really depends on what is most important to you and which car you just have a better reaction to. I'm comparing the exact same cars, plus also at least considering the Mustang and the Solara as a budget-minded choice.
I think we'll be going with the Volvo for the following reasons: 1) seems safest, with the hardtop, plus all the airbags and pop-up hoops in the rear headreast, 2) will probably be quietest, 3) I just like the looks of it the best.
It looks to me like the rear seats in the Volvo will be perfectly usable. I haven't been in the car, but saw it at the Auto Show, and they looked very comfortable.
The SAAB, to my thinking, did not look as nice in the interior. Just my preference.
All that said, I think you could make a case for any of the cars you're considering. Of course the Volvo won't be available for a little while longer, so that might change your thinking, if you can wait a bit or if you have to have a new car right now. I bet you'll be happy five years from now no matter which one you choose.
I also looked at the same 3 cars before purchasing the C70. I loved the sound of the BMW engine, it has classic looks, and no car holds it's value better. I'm trading in a Saab convertible and would not buy another one because of its terrible resale value. I bought the C70 because it is a gorgeous car, has a great looking interior, the top blows me away, and it will be rare to see another one on the road (at least for a couple of years) they are also projecting its resale value to be equal or better than the BMW - but that's a projection and BMW's resale is fact. A couple of things about costly top repairs: that's why you have a warranty - sell the car after 4 years. Also it is the hydraulics that will cause most problems and the cost of fixing the hydraulic system would be about the same on all 3 cars - the hydraulic top went out on my SAAB while under warranty and it would have cost around $1,500.00 if I had to pay for it.
For driving excitement the BMW is in a class by itself, but in the end I felt the current model has been around too long and is somewhat dated. The new BMW will be a hard top convertible and to me that's the route all convertibles will be going.
By the way Biancar you might want to look at the Volkswagon EOS for a budget choice, it's a hard top convertible that will be out shortly for much less $$$'s than the C70.
My bad on the black and red colors at N/C...didn't consider those and skipped them. Do wish the white came in a 'flat' finish(like our Polar C70 or our '01 S40 white) although I must admit our RX330 is very attractive in the pearly/metallicy white.
BTW, Volvo has always had too many wheel options...I wonder if Ford bought the wheel mfg facility also. We get some interesting looks by the dealer shop folks when I pull up in an '04 C70 with '02 V70 wheels(16" felt much better than the optional 17" that came on the C70). The bling 17s stayed on the wagon when we traded for the RX.
Almost forgot...it's supposed to be 66 degrees on Thursday...I love winter in GA!
I thought about the VW, saw it at the Auto Show. Around here VWs have a terrible reputation - not so much the cars as the dealers and the service personnel. So much so that the local car columnist (Warren Brown) comments on how much negative mail he gets from readers about VW service.
The Pontiac G6 is also coming out with a hard-top convertible. When I mentioned that to my husband he just said "eww, a Pontiac?" Guess he's not in favor of that idea!
Some of you guys have said you've done European delivery before. Were you able to negotiate at all on the price, or is it just a fixed percentage off MSRP, take it or leave it?
Curious what folks are being told on delivery dates for new C70's. I ordered mine in December and was told April. I have also heard March and I also heard that "stock" cars would be delivered in April and customized cars would be delivered in May? Any insights? :shades:
I am having trouble choosing between the Volvo C70, Saab 9-3 Aero Cabrio, or BMW 330CiC.
All 3 vehicles are about the same price (when options are equalized).
Huh? What am I missing? I added premium and cold weather packs to the volvo and just the cold weather to the BMW, and it looks to me like the BMW is about $4k more, not including the hardtop. Add the top and you're looking at $6k difference. Are you sure you aren't talking about the 325?
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I appreciate the input on this topic. believe it or not I recently drove a mini cooper s convertible. at the risk of being characterized as having a "mid-life crisis" I'm actually considering that car too. I love the flexibility of choosing to use the sunroof only on days when open-top driving isn't practicable. any thoughts on this?
gbrozen: You're right about the BMW - $40K is about the price for a 325CiC. either way though, what's your opinion?
Honestly, I've never driven the Bimmer. BUT, considering the extra power and hardtop of the C70, I think its tough to argue for the BMW.
I certainly wouldn't fault you at all for the Mini. Even after all this time on the market, every one on the road still turns my head. Beautiful little car. And, considering its quite a bit less than the others on your list, it holds the price advantage. Another big advantage is its outstanding resale value.
Personally, I can't get myself to spend that much on something so tiny, BUT, in your case, you aren't comparing it to cars that are THAT much larger, so you might find the size penalty well worth the price advantage.
Since your choices seem to be getting more varied, might I suggest taking a look at the Mustang convertible? Again, I haven't driven it, but the reviews have all been so positive, I'm inclined to think there's got to be something there worth checking out.
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Between the Mini and the Mustang, the Mustang I think offers better bang for the buck. I just read a review of the Mini in Canadian Driver magazine. It has its good points, but is also uncomfortable, has very little storage space (but does have the folding rear seats, which helps), and of course, is tiny.
If you're looking for a second car to drive around the city, easy to park and easy on gas, the Mini would work out fine. If you want a highway cruiser, vacation car, beach car, personally I think there are better choices out there.
Well I've spent a lot of time making this decision, but today i put down my deposit on the C70. :P I did look at the Mustang too, but couldn't justify paying full price when I could get $5K off MSRP for the C70, 325CiC, or 9-3 Aero (I get this through their military sales programs-which is odd since none of the US companies offer similar discounts). The Saab is sportier, the BMW has more cachet, but I felt the Volvo was just as good as either AND has a hard-top that looks awesome when up.
Anyway, I ordered up a loaded C70 in Metallic Magic Blue which sparkles brilliantly in sunlight (I read somewhere that the convertible roof lines show prominently in light colors & didn't want plain black). The only option I didn't get was leather seating, although I may reconsider that as I still have time to add more options.
Incidentally, I forgot to share a few other minor concerns on the C70: bluetooth compatibility & digital music integration. Since i've done loads of research on this topic I suppose I should share my results. I contacted a volvo dealer who stated to me that they've done bluetooth kits on many S40s & doesn't see why it would be any different for the C70 (I don't usually trust dealers but this seems a likely thing to me). :confuse:
As for digital music integration, it looks like there are a fair number of disgruntled S40 owners who want to use their ipods. A company called Dension(www.densionusa.com) makes excellent ipod integration kits for many vehicles & I called them before making my deposit about the C70. They e-mailed me to say that a kit is in the works for the C70/S40 in the near future (2-3 months). Again I don't usually trust speculation until I see the results, but based on the vast number of unhappy S40 owners I read about the past couple of days - it's likely that a kit will be forthcoming. According to many Mini owners, the ICE Like Plus kit from Dension appears to be way better than the standard ipod integration offered by BMW, Mini, & Volvo (for S60 & higher models).
One last thing, since I am stationed in the UK, I've only seen the C70 europe brochure. All I can say is Volvo USA is screwing us with limited choices. :mad: In europe you have 4 additional upholstry choices, integrated cell phone buttons on the wheel, park assist, among other cool options. Oh well, I'm sure they have their reasons! I'll keep you all posted on the progrss and/or problems of my build.
Well done, I'm sure you'll like it! Are you going to Sweden to pick it up or will you be getting it in the U.K.? How much of a deposit are they asking for up-front?
I haven't quite pulled the trigger myself, but am inching closer and closer to it.
Why aren't you getting the leather seats? I like the whole Premium package, which includes the leather seats, a compass in the mirror, and Home Link (which I LOVE - have that now in the Maxima).
From seeing the S40 at the dealer, I thought the non-leather upholstery was nicer than I had thought it would be, but it only comes in dark gray or black. I want a light interior, so that's "Calcite Cream" leather.
Ideally, would love to get a red car with a khaki interior, but that's not a possible choice. Wish Volvo would come out with something like that.
Anyway - have you seen the "Magic Blue" up-close and personal? One dealer told me to be sure to see it before ordering, as it has a sort of plum cast to it that some people just love and others, well, not so much.
Re the Bluetooth compatibility, the dealer here told me the same thing, that a kit would be available. He had a brochure on it.
Are you getting the Dynaudio and the bi-xenon headlights, then?
Looks like i won't take delivery until July/Aug timeframe due to the queue that I'm in. But since I'm moving back to the US in June/July that means I'll have it delivered there rather than driving it in the UK (which I prefer anyway). Put $1K down for deposit.
Here's why I didn't get the premium package - leather seats are overrated I think (cold in winter - hot in summer), I don't have a garage yet so homelink isn't really useful (what does this do anyway), and i don't need a compass in the mirror since i bought the nav system.
the flextech upholstery comes in beige or off-black. I chose beige as it offsets the dark magic blue exterior. for the magic blue color, I saw it up close on another volvo and it looks very dark normally, but the light makes it sparkle and shine. I intend to stop by the dealer again to see it in the sunlight now that you mentioned the "plum" effect. i'll let you know!
I also got the $1500 audio upgrade & xenon headlights (what's another $2K at this point). I am totally excited to get it yet somewhat scared that I may be disappointed since I've never seen it in person. The whole thing feels like a very expensive blind date :surprise:
I saw the local UK volvo dealer should have a C70 on display in about a month, so hopefully I'll get to check it out thoroughly & feel more at ease. was it as cool in person as it looks on the videos and brochures?
Oh yeah, WAY cool!! I saw it at the Auto Show. Didn't have a chance to sit in it, so I can't speak to that yet, but looks fantastic. They had two: the pearlescent white and a light silver.
I didn't know the Flextech came in beige; on the Volvo site I thought it was only Black or Off-black. I'll have to look again. The beige and Magic Blue sound like a very nice combination.
Home link: opens automatic garage door. I have three buttons on my Maxima: the one on the right is our right door, left = left door, middle is for my mom's house in Michigan (now out of date as she's in asstd. living). I LOVE it, because it does away with the clunky garage door openers, and it was useful to have our own plus my mom's house on it. I don't know how many buttons the Volvo has.
Depends on how long you expect to own the car and what housing you expect to have whether it would be worth it to you, I guess.
Can you get heated seats with the Flextech upholstery? I wouldn't be without that.
Interesting that you won't get the car until July or August even ordering it now. I was thinking about maybe getting it here instead of doing OSD to have it earlier, but since OSD can be done in mid-Sept, there's only maybe two months advantage to doing it here. Hmm... more food for thought.
Got a chance to sit in one of these yesterday at the Chicago Auto Show, really nice. The car is snug like a sports car, but still very comfortable. Of course Volvo's excellent seats are a big part of that. Looking at the specs I think the C70 could use some power if it intends to compete with rival Euro convertibles of the same size/price. The new VW Eos will no doubt have a 280hp VR6 when it hits the market in July/August and it will likely be the same price as the Volvo and to me it is just about as stylish as the Volvo. I asked the Volvo rep whether or not there will be a "R" version. Of course the answer was no. However, when she had to look down at a card (i.e. script) to answer my question it was apparent to me they're just models on display to answer questions from the general public, not car enthusiasts who keep up with these things. I can't see Volvo not offering a better engine for this car in the future, maybe not the V8 from the new S80, but something with more than 218hp.
Overall a very nice car that will likely satisfy for sure. The styling and being a "Volvo" will be enough for most buyers. An R version would be a welcome addition IMO.
This is to empty1 who was confused about delivery dates. I had stated that I bought a C70 in December with a delivery date of March (that's what I was told at the time). The dealer has now called me up and said April.
On another matter I keep reading about the the C70 "only" having 218 horsepower. Professional reviews state the car is quick, but not fast- a criticism. I'm trying to imagine when eveyone has use for a "burner". Surely people aren't planning to take their C70's and join the local teenagers to see who's fastest from the stoplight on Friday night(sorry about calling you shirley). I guess I'd rather have 50 less horsepower and 3 or 4 miles extra per gallon of gas. I had a corvette once and got down to 1 point on my driver's license before selling it - I couldn't find anywhere where useing all that speed wasn't frowned on by local authorities. Quick is good enough for me, although I admit to having a feeling of exhiliration when a powerful engine roars, its practicality escapes me.
Amen!! How much power is needed to satisfy the "reviewers"? :confuse: My 99 LPT, with a measly 190 hp is plenty fast for me and is rock solid at 100mph+. I don't need anymore power, plus how often is it going to be used?
The lady at the car show may have been a salesperson. I got a call last night from a saleslady at the local Toyota store where I had been in Dec. to look at the Solara Convert. She explained she had a new one and a used one I could look at. I replied I was waiting to see a C70 in person before making any decisions. She said she would call when they got one in!!! I explained a C70 is a Volvo and she probably won't "get one in". She laughed and thanked me for my time.
That's hysterical! The new Toyota C70, coming right along there...hee.
I think the concern about horsepower is whether it's enough for this fairly heavy car. At 3800 lbs, the Volvo is about 500 lbs heavier than my current Maxima, at close to the same hp. (The Max is 222.) I would expect that perhaps the Volvo might be just a bit slower; probably not enough to make any real-world difference. I want enough power to zoom quickly onto acceleration lanes on the freeway, enough to pass quickly on two-lane roads, and quiet comfort at all speeds.
From looking carefully at comparative cars, I want to drive the Audi A-4 and the SAAB 9-3 before deciding, but so far, I see nothing that would really turn me away from the Volvo, except perhaps the wide turning circle.
Would love to hear if anyone has the answer to whether the turning circle quoted in Edmunds, at 41.7 ft., is wrong. I saw a British review that said it was 11.-something meters, worked out to about 38 ft. Still big, but more competitive with other cars in its class.
Hi blamb3 ... thanks for your reply... I have gotten several stories and I really don't know what to believe. I was originally told March (I ordered the car in Dec) for delivery dates and now its more like May through July. There according to the dealer only shipping 2500 units to the States... who knows, I guess it will get here when it gets here... :mad:
I may be wrong (I was once many years ago) but I think horsepower relates to top speed and torque relates to acceleration. 500 hp cars go 200mph, 200 hp usually quit around 130. Without comparable torque numbers the cars will take longer to get to these top speeds. To accelerate in traffic you want torque. The 06 Max has 255 ft/lbs, the 6 cylinder Audi has 221, the C70 reported to have 236. With a base price of around $45,000 the Audi doesn't look like a good buy compared with the C70 if you are comparing torque. You can make the car accelerate faster by changing the gearing and rear end numbers, but then you have a car that turns maybe 4,000 rpm's at 60 mph. Probably not what most people want in a 4 pax convert. Anyway, for me it all comes down to how the car feels and if my wife and I like the way it looks and drives. Pretty much all the cars discussed here can go fast enough to earn anybody a ticket who wants one.
...so guess that one and only time you were wrong a few years ago still stands!
And you're so right about going fast enough to get a ticket - even my old Grand Cherokee managed that once in its day...
Do you think the average person is really going to feel the difference between 236 vs. 221 vs. 255 ft/lbs of torque? Well, possibly between 221 (the Audi) vs. 255 (the Max.), but with Volvo being smack in the middle, doubt that most people would even notice a difference in normal driving.
Anyway, my point was I think the Volvo is going to be fine (for both torque and horsepower) to do all those things where you really need a burst of speed, and will be able to drive comfortably at cruising speeds all day long.
welllll... its quite a bit more complicated than that. Yes, what you say is true ... to an extent. But a vehicle needs both torque and horsepower for both acceleration and top speed. Torque is needed to overcome drag and friction at speed, just as its needed to get the car rolling in the first place.
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Surely people aren't planning to take their C70's and join the local teenagers to see who's fastest from the stoplight on Friday night.
Surely not. But not everyone who wants to accelerate fast is concerned about showing off. They do it for the sheer personal thrill and fun of it all. And, for $40k, I kind of expected a car that could give you the equivalent fun kick in the pants of a run-of-the-mill Accord or Camry. Apparently not.
I guess I'd rather have 50 less horsepower and 3 or 4 miles extra per gallon of gas.
And there is nothing wrong with that ... but its your choice. Obviously, some folks would choose differently.
By the way, anybody know EPA estimates on this thing? Volvo website doesn't show those numbers yet.
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Well no she wasn't a salesperson. She was a rep from whatever agency Volvo uses at the auto shows. All the carmaker use the same one or two agencies for staffing events it seems. I've asked around (thinking about doing something like that) and it seems you have to be either a model, actor/actress to get on at one of these agencies to represent a particular automotive brand. You can always tell the true salespeople they usually have a nametag on with the dealership they represent. Their conversation differs also, they concentrate on making you take their card so after the show is over you'll "come buy one"...lol!
After much research, I placed an order yesterday for my C70. The clincher was being able to check out a "travelling" C70 that came to our local dealer for 3 days this past week. It was really sharp, and the styling was almost like art.
Again, as posted previously, I was told delivery of custom orders will be in mid-May.
I ordered Flint Grey, with Quartz Leather (between the cream and black) with most options. I declined the nav system.
The salesman said most dealerships will get a certain number of custom orders, and a proportional number of vehicles. Our local dealer, who seems to do a good business, only got 4 slots for custom orders. Does this seem normal?
...are you? Four seems very low (not that I know a thing about Volvo's business model). Does that mean four all year, or four for the MY06s? '07's will be coming out in September. (Or at least available for Overseas Delivery then.) I wonder if they look at the surrounding area demographics, and how many people can afford a $40,000-plus car.
Is the "quartz" a sort of light grey?
By the way, were you able to negotiate at all on price?
I am in Lancaster, PA. This dealership (Stadel) was one of the original 6 Volvo dealerships in the US and seems to do a very good business overall.
I think that the four they got for custom orders were for the '06 models.
The quartz is a light grey...a bit lighter than the Flint Grey. Some current models have both of these colors, and I was able to look at them side by side. It is a good pairing. You can see these colors on the Volvo US site, when you "build and price" a C70.
I was not able to negotiate on price, but did try (minimally). They did have a 3-day "special" because of the touring C70 they had in their showroom for these 3 days. $500 off any C70 order placed. I was actually the 3rd order placed...they only have 1 slot left.
...hm, I'm not all THAT far from Lancaster - (around the D.C. area). Wonder if my dealer will have that $500 off deal. I'm also thinking about OSD, too.
I could see the quartz on the on-line "build and price," but wasn't sure how true to life my monitor is. On my monitor, the "Magic Blue" looks virtually black. I know it's a dark color, but the monitor didn't pick up any blue at all. No substitute for seeing things in person, anyway.
I just placed my order today only to get a phone call this afternoon that the pearlescent white is not available. The dealer can't tell me if and when the white will be available. The Volvo website states "not available at sales start". I had my heart set on white, but no one can predict how long I would have to wait. I want to be driving it this summer.
I do like the celestial blue in photos and video, but would HAVE to see it in person before I went with a color like that. How did the silver look?
The "traveling" C70 at my local dealer was silver with the light leather seats. It also looked very good. Silver was definitely high on my choices as well. Strange that they are holding up an order based on color, and don't know when it will be available.
When you say "light" leather , are you referring to the calcite cream color? According to the info. booklet I brought home, that color interior is not available with silver exterior. I'm leaning towards silver with offblack leather.
Has anyone actually seen the celestial blue in person? I'm not a "color person" when it comes to cars; white, black, and silver are usually the only considerations for me. However, I have to admit, in photos that celestial blue is eye catching.
I saw the white at the Washington Auto Show. They had one white, one silver.
I'm exactly the opposite of you: I *want* color in my cars. I grew up in Michigan and always think of grey or silver cars as "Michigan cars" because it's a color that tends to hide the salt stains from the road in winter. Now that I'm no longer in Michigan, I wouldn't buy a grey car, and don't have much interest in silver.
I like light blue usually; have had a light blue Camry and my current light blue Maxima. I think the blue with the Calcite Cream leather looks gorgeous.
My husband likes red though, and I'm not so sure about the Calcite Cream with that. I'd like to get a tan or khaki leather with red, but it looks like leather choices are only black, the light-grey "quartz," or the cream.
Thanks for your reply. I looked at all the pics I could find (swedespeed is a great site). There are a few with silver and blue side by side; the celestial blue looks nicer in my opinion. I called my dealer today and chose the blue with calcite cream leather interior.
As far as red is concerned, I agree with you that a tan would look great, but it's not available. The contrast of the cream with the red would probably look nice, though. Keep in mind that the dash will still be black. At least that's what the photos show in the celestial blue/cream combo.
Would love to take advantage of the overseas delivery program; nice vacation with the ultimate souvenir and a discount, too However, volvocars.com does not list the c70 as one of the cars in the program. Looking forward to taking delivery of mine mid-May "or so".
Ooh, your car is going to look great! What options did you get on it? Did you get the Dynaudio?
According to swedespeed (I read that a lot too!), the OSD C70's will be availabe in late August or perhaps early September. I haven't decided - I'd love the vacation and the discount, but would like to enjoy the car this summer.
Did you get any discount at all, or was it full MSRP?
Do you know if the interior roof color is the same as the upholstery color? One reason I don't like black upholstery is that horrible cave-like feeling if the whole interior is black.
Although it is not listed on the Volvo site, the C70 is in the OSD program. I have an OSD production slot reserved for an '07 C70. Gave the dlr a $2,000 deposit in Jan. and received a confirm 3 weeks later. The delivery date is late Aug and it will take another 7 to 9 weeks to ship to Seattle. We plan on driving around for 10 days so we should have the car home around Thanksgiving. If the 7 to 8 percent OSD discount applies to the C70 (the actal percentage is unknown now), the base price will be lower than Edmunds reports as the dlr invoice price. My confirm letter indicates more info will be coming later this qtr.
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At my house, we need to get the outside of the house painted, maybe replace windows, there are some trees in the back yard that I get nervous about every time we have a big thunderstorm with a lot of high wind - but I still figure, what the heck, I've wanted a convertible for a LONG time and this is one I can feel safe in. And sexy and stylish and all that good stuff.
Trip to Sweden pretty much pays for itself though, no? I figure one of the week long tours for $1,000 or so, plus the 8 - 10% discount for OSD, and I still come out ahead vs. buying the car in the U.S. Is that right or am I missing something?
Interesting both you guys like Flint. For me, the only three colors I would consider are red, the light blue, and the white. Hubby likes red so that's probably the way we'll go. All the others look like sedate sedan colors to me.
Blamb, I think you're right about this car being aimed at the older generation and emphasizing style and comfort. I saw an article in the business section someplace that said Volvo is aiming at affluent empty-nesters with this. I think that's right. When I start figuring how to pay for it, I'm debating whether to cash in a mutual fund that's doing nothing for me, or use my cash savings, or finance part of it. That's a whole different financial place to be than when I was in my 30's.
I was somewhat interested in a white C70, but did not know what they meant by white pearlescent - is it straight white or does it have subtle changes in the color at different angles?
One problem is the 'bath' we are likely to take when selling the '04 C70 to make room for the new one. This frequent car shopping was a bit easier when dealing with twelve thousand dollar Miatas and Tributes in the low $20s.
Comfort-wise, the current C70 is fantastic(except for trunk space) compared to a two-seater...room for the dog and more than one tennis racket. Being wrapped in steel and airbags has its advantages, as well. The Miata would certainly not be a daily driver but the C70 might as well be a 'regular' car from a safety/comfort standpoint. We might even get the top down later in the week--a little different from the weather up your way! Have fun in the snow!
The white pearlescent is a sort of shimmery white. It almost borders on ivory. There was one at the Wash. Auto Show. Very pretty. It's the most expensive color option - though when you're spending this much, what's another $200, right?
I went down to our local Volvo dealership and introduced myself to the guy I'd been in e-mail contact with. He seemed very pleasant, showed me the S40 and pointed out where the convertible will be the same. Also put me in another car to listen to the sound system, which he said was the same as the basic radio in the C70.
The S40 happened to be Passion Red, one of the colors I'm interested in, so that was good to see.
"One problem is the 'bath' we are likely to take when selling the '04 C70 to make room for the new one."
Now this, I don't get. If your current car isn't paid off, and you basically still like it and it runs well, and you'd take a big hit financially, why do it?
"Have fun in the snow!" - Thanks for that! We did have fun - we live on a steep cul-de-sac so all the kids were out with their sleds this a.m., until the snowplow came around and ruined their fun.
Actually, we financed $20K on the C70 about 18 mos ago(3.9% w/Volvo)...had paid cash for the previous few vehicles...so the financing hit is not the prob. The last of the '04s were so heavily discounted that the resale value is quite low BUT that doesn't mean we don't want the new toy! It's a bit like the new kitchen...our original $12K upgrade turned into a complete $30K redo...AND the kitchen didn't get any bigger! It's just a matter of how much money one wishes to spend for 'stuff'. The new C70 is just more 'stuff'...really nice new 'stuff' but 'stuff' nontheless.
Color-wise, I would prefer a non-metallic, non-pearlized finish but none are available. Interesting that there is an 'upcharge' for any of the C70 finishes--like you could get one without for base price! :surprise:
I was just wondering yesterday if people who bought the '04s were really going to get hit on depreciation - guess you just answered that question!
The 04s are still a decent car, though. Maybe if you sell it privately rather than trade it in you'll get a better price on it.
Interesting philosophical question on spending money for new "stuff." I haven't had a car payment for so long, I'd hate to go back to that. But I also figure "if not now, when?" At some point you just have to enjoy some goodies!
For colors, you can get either red or black as a standard, non-metallic, no upcharge, color. I think we'll be getting red.
I am having trouble choosing between the Volvo C70, Saab 9-3 Aero Cabrio, or BMW 330CiC.
All 3 vehicles are about the same price (when options are equalized). I really like the concept of a hardtop convertible that has back seats, but I too am worried about getting the Volvo b/c (1) 1st model year, (2) possible expensive repairs on hardtop, and (3) Volvo's T5 engine can't match the Saab turbo or BMW 6 cylinder.
All 3 cars are well-designed, safe & classy vehicles, but I don't want to be kicking myself in 5 years, hence my dismay over this decision.
I haven't driven the Volvo yet (and can't as I'm buying the car through their military sales program), but I can confirm that the Saab & BWM are excellent cars in almost every respect.
Anyone have any words of wisdom?
I think we'll be going with the Volvo for the following reasons: 1) seems safest, with the hardtop, plus all the airbags and pop-up hoops in the rear headreast, 2) will probably be quietest, 3) I just like the looks of it the best.
It looks to me like the rear seats in the Volvo will be perfectly usable. I haven't been in the car, but saw it at the Auto Show, and they looked very comfortable.
The SAAB, to my thinking, did not look as nice in the interior. Just my preference.
All that said, I think you could make a case for any of the cars you're considering. Of course the Volvo won't be available for a little while longer, so that might change your thinking, if you can wait a bit or if you have to have a new car right now. I bet you'll be happy five years from now no matter which one you choose.
For driving excitement the BMW is in a class by itself, but in the end I felt the current model has been around too long and is somewhat dated. The new BMW will be a hard top convertible and to me that's the route all convertibles will be going.
By the way Biancar you might want to look at the Volkswagon EOS for a budget choice, it's a hard top convertible that will be out shortly for much less $$$'s than the C70.
BTW, Volvo has always had too many wheel options...I wonder if Ford bought the wheel mfg facility also. We get some interesting looks by the dealer shop folks when I pull up in an '04 C70 with '02 V70 wheels(16" felt much better than the optional 17" that came on the C70). The bling 17s stayed on the wagon when we traded for the RX.
Almost forgot...it's supposed to be 66 degrees on Thursday...I love winter in GA!
The Pontiac G6 is also coming out with a hard-top convertible. When I mentioned that to my husband he just said "eww, a Pontiac?" Guess he's not in favor of that idea!
Some of you guys have said you've done European delivery before. Were you able to negotiate at all on the price, or is it just a fixed percentage off MSRP, take it or leave it?
All 3 vehicles are about the same price (when options are equalized).
Huh? What am I missing? I added premium and cold weather packs to the volvo and just the cold weather to the BMW, and it looks to me like the BMW is about $4k more, not including the hardtop. Add the top and you're looking at $6k difference. Are you sure you aren't talking about the 325?
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gbrozen: You're right about the BMW - $40K is about the price for a 325CiC. either way though, what's your opinion?
I certainly wouldn't fault you at all for the Mini. Even after all this time on the market, every one on the road still turns my head. Beautiful little car. And, considering its quite a bit less than the others on your list, it holds the price advantage. Another big advantage is its outstanding resale value.
Personally, I can't get myself to spend that much on something so tiny, BUT, in your case, you aren't comparing it to cars that are THAT much larger, so you might find the size penalty well worth the price advantage.
Since your choices seem to be getting more varied, might I suggest taking a look at the Mustang convertible? Again, I haven't driven it, but the reviews have all been so positive, I'm inclined to think there's got to be something there worth checking out.
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If you're looking for a second car to drive around the city, easy to park and easy on gas, the Mini would work out fine. If you want a highway cruiser, vacation car, beach car, personally I think there are better choices out there.
Anyway, I ordered up a loaded C70 in Metallic Magic Blue which sparkles brilliantly in sunlight (I read somewhere that the convertible roof lines show prominently in light colors & didn't want plain black). The only option I didn't get was leather seating, although I may reconsider that as I still have time to add more options.
Incidentally, I forgot to share a few other minor concerns on the C70: bluetooth compatibility & digital music integration. Since i've done loads of research on this topic I suppose I should share my results. I contacted a volvo dealer who stated to me that they've done bluetooth kits on many S40s & doesn't see why it would be any different for the C70 (I don't usually trust dealers but this seems a likely thing to me). :confuse:
As for digital music integration, it looks like there are a fair number of disgruntled S40 owners who want to use their ipods. A company called Dension(www.densionusa.com) makes excellent ipod integration kits for many vehicles & I called them before making my deposit about the C70. They e-mailed me to say that a kit is in the works for the C70/S40 in the near future (2-3 months). Again I don't usually trust speculation until I see the results, but based on the vast number of unhappy S40 owners I read about the past couple of days - it's likely that a kit will be forthcoming. According to many Mini owners, the ICE Like Plus kit from Dension appears to be way better than the standard ipod integration offered by BMW, Mini, & Volvo (for S60 & higher models).
One last thing, since I am stationed in the UK, I've only seen the C70 europe brochure. All I can say is Volvo USA is screwing us with limited choices. :mad: In europe you have 4 additional upholstry choices, integrated cell phone buttons on the wheel, park assist, among other cool options.
did they indicate an estimated month of delivery?
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I haven't quite pulled the trigger myself, but am inching closer and closer to it.
Why aren't you getting the leather seats? I like the whole Premium package, which includes the leather seats, a compass in the mirror, and Home Link (which I LOVE - have that now in the Maxima).
From seeing the S40 at the dealer, I thought the non-leather upholstery was nicer than I had thought it would be, but it only comes in dark gray or black. I want a light interior, so that's "Calcite Cream" leather.
Ideally, would love to get a red car with a khaki interior, but that's not a possible choice. Wish Volvo would come out with something like that.
Anyway - have you seen the "Magic Blue" up-close and personal? One dealer told me to be sure to see it before ordering, as it has a sort of plum cast to it that some people just love and others, well, not so much.
Re the Bluetooth compatibility, the dealer here told me the same thing, that a kit would be available. He had a brochure on it.
Are you getting the Dynaudio and the bi-xenon headlights, then?
Bet you can't wait to get it!
Here's why I didn't get the premium package - leather seats are overrated I think (cold in winter - hot in summer), I don't have a garage yet so homelink isn't really useful (what does this do anyway), and i don't need a compass in the mirror since i bought the nav system.
the flextech upholstery comes in beige or off-black. I chose beige as it offsets the dark magic blue exterior. for the magic blue color, I saw it up close on another volvo and it looks very dark normally, but the light makes it sparkle and shine. I intend to stop by the dealer again to see it in the sunlight now that you mentioned the "plum" effect. i'll let you know!
I also got the $1500 audio upgrade & xenon headlights (what's another $2K at this point). I am totally excited to get it yet somewhat scared that I may be disappointed since I've never seen it in person. The whole thing feels like a very expensive blind date :surprise:
I saw the local UK volvo dealer should have a C70 on display in about a month, so hopefully I'll get to check it out thoroughly & feel more at ease. was it as cool in person as it looks on the videos and brochures?
talk to you :shades:
I didn't know the Flextech came in beige; on the Volvo site I thought it was only Black or Off-black. I'll have to look again. The beige and Magic Blue sound like a very nice combination.
Home link: opens automatic garage door. I have three buttons on my Maxima: the one on the right is our right door, left = left door, middle is for my mom's house in Michigan (now out of date as she's in asstd. living). I LOVE it, because it does away with the clunky garage door openers, and it was useful to have our own plus my mom's house on it. I don't know how many buttons the Volvo has.
Depends on how long you expect to own the car and what housing you expect to have whether it would be worth it to you, I guess.
Can you get heated seats with the Flextech upholstery? I wouldn't be without that.
Interesting that you won't get the car until July or August even ordering it now. I was thinking about maybe getting it here instead of doing OSD to have it earlier, but since OSD can be done in mid-Sept, there's only maybe two months advantage to doing it here. Hmm... more food for thought.
Overall a very nice car that will likely satisfy for sure. The styling and being a "Volvo" will be enough for most buyers. An R version would be a welcome addition IMO.
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On another matter I keep reading about the the C70 "only" having 218 horsepower. Professional reviews state the car is quick, but not fast- a criticism. I'm trying to imagine when eveyone has use for a "burner". Surely people aren't planning to take their C70's and join the local teenagers to see who's fastest from the stoplight on Friday night(sorry about calling you shirley). I guess I'd rather have 50 less horsepower and 3 or 4 miles extra per gallon of gas. I had a corvette once and got down to 1 point on my driver's license before selling it - I couldn't find anywhere where useing all that speed wasn't frowned on by local authorities. Quick is good enough for me, although I admit to having a feeling of exhiliration when a powerful engine roars, its practicality escapes me.
The lady at the car show may have been a salesperson. I got a call last night from a saleslady at the local Toyota store where I had been in Dec. to look at the Solara Convert. She explained she had a new one and a used one I could look at. I replied I was waiting to see a C70 in person before making any decisions. She said she would call when they got one in!!! I explained a C70 is a Volvo and she probably won't "get one in". She laughed and thanked me for my time.
I think the concern about horsepower is whether it's enough for this fairly heavy car. At 3800 lbs, the Volvo is about 500 lbs heavier than my current Maxima, at close to the same hp. (The Max is 222.) I would expect that perhaps the Volvo might be just a bit slower; probably not enough to make any real-world difference. I want enough power to zoom quickly onto acceleration lanes on the freeway, enough to pass quickly on two-lane roads, and quiet comfort at all speeds.
From looking carefully at comparative cars, I want to drive the Audi A-4 and the SAAB 9-3 before deciding, but so far, I see nothing that would really turn me away from the Volvo, except perhaps the wide turning circle.
Would love to hear if anyone has the answer to whether the turning circle quoted in Edmunds, at 41.7 ft., is wrong. I saw a British review that said it was 11.-something meters, worked out to about 38 ft. Still big, but more competitive with other cars in its class.
And you're so right about going fast enough to get a ticket - even my old Grand Cherokee managed that once in its day...
Do you think the average person is really going to feel the difference between 236 vs. 221 vs. 255 ft/lbs of torque? Well, possibly between 221 (the Audi) vs. 255 (the Max.), but with Volvo being smack in the middle, doubt that most people would even notice a difference in normal driving.
Anyway, my point was I think the Volvo is going to be fine (for both torque and horsepower) to do all those things where you really need a burst of speed, and will be able to drive comfortably at cruising speeds all day long.
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Surely not. But not everyone who wants to accelerate fast is concerned about showing off. They do it for the sheer personal thrill and fun of it all. And, for $40k, I kind of expected a car that could give you the equivalent fun kick in the pants of a run-of-the-mill Accord or Camry. Apparently not.
I guess I'd rather have 50 less horsepower and 3 or 4 miles extra per gallon of gas.
And there is nothing wrong with that ... but its your choice. Obviously, some folks would choose differently.
By the way, anybody know EPA estimates on this thing? Volvo website doesn't show those numbers yet.
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Again, as posted previously, I was told delivery of custom orders will be in mid-May.
I ordered Flint Grey, with Quartz Leather (between the cream and black) with most options. I declined the nav system.
The salesman said most dealerships will get a certain number of custom orders, and a proportional number of vehicles. Our local dealer, who seems to do a good business, only got 4 slots for custom orders. Does this seem normal?
Is the "quartz" a sort of light grey?
By the way, were you able to negotiate at all on price?
I think that the four they got for custom orders were for the '06 models.
The quartz is a light grey...a bit lighter than the Flint Grey. Some current models have both of these colors, and I was able to look at them side by side. It is a good pairing. You can see these colors on the Volvo US site, when you "build and price" a C70.
I was not able to negotiate on price, but did try (minimally). They did have a 3-day "special" because of the touring C70 they had in their showroom for these 3 days. $500 off any C70 order placed. I was actually the 3rd order placed...they only have 1 slot left.
I could see the quartz on the on-line "build and price," but wasn't sure how true to life my monitor is. On my monitor, the "Magic Blue" looks virtually black. I know it's a dark color, but the monitor didn't pick up any blue at all. No substitute for seeing things in person, anyway.
I just placed my order today only to get a phone call this afternoon that the pearlescent white is not available. The dealer can't tell me if and when the white will be available. The Volvo website states "not available at sales start". I had my heart set on white, but no one can predict how long I would have to wait. I want to be driving it this summer.
I do like the celestial blue in photos and video, but would HAVE to see it in person before I went with a color like that. How did the silver look?
I'm exactly the opposite of you: I *want* color in my cars. I grew up in Michigan and always think of grey or silver cars as "Michigan cars" because it's a color that tends to hide the salt stains from the road in winter. Now that I'm no longer in Michigan, I wouldn't buy a grey car, and don't have much interest in silver.
I like light blue usually; have had a light blue Camry and my current light blue Maxima. I think the blue with the Calcite Cream leather looks gorgeous.
My husband likes red though, and I'm not so sure about the Calcite Cream with that. I'd like to get a tan or khaki leather with red, but it looks like leather choices are only black, the light-grey "quartz," or the cream.
As far as red is concerned, I agree with you that a tan would look great, but it's not available. The contrast of the cream with the red would probably look nice, though. Keep in mind that the dash will still be black. At least that's what the photos show in the celestial blue/cream combo.
Would love to take advantage of the overseas delivery program; nice vacation with the ultimate souvenir and a discount, too
According to swedespeed (I read that a lot too!), the OSD C70's will be availabe in late August or perhaps early September. I haven't decided - I'd love the vacation and the discount, but would like to enjoy the car this summer.
Did you get any discount at all, or was it full MSRP?
Do you know if the interior roof color is the same as the upholstery color? One reason I don't like black upholstery is that horrible cave-like feeling if the whole interior is black.