Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    That's about high dealer retail asking price, so he's pushing the limit. I'd guess that a smart shopper could pick this car up in the private sector for around $7,500--8,000.

    As for "highway miles", that's a rather debatable concept. Miles are miles on the odometer. Assigning more value to highway miles is more like puffery than fact IMO. Who has ever scientifically proven otherwise?
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,159
    Well, you're right, how can this guy prove they're highway miles, so it's subject to great puffery, but, in concept, fewer starts/stops would seem to put less wear and tear on the driveline/brakes/clutch, and, one could hope, fewer potholes, etc. But yes, it's both hard to prove and of limited value, if true.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Exactly. I'd pay more for a garaged car vs. a non-garaged one that I'd pay for so called "highway miles".
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,159
    " I'd pay more for a garaged car vs. a non-garaged one "

    Very true in Dallas, with the sun, heat, and hailstorms. Applies to parking at work especially.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    I actually kinda like that beast. In the past, I wouldn't have been caught dead in a station wagon, but now that they're a bit of an artifact, I think they're kinda cool.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    Well the odds are still in your favor. The worst engines in the world don't fail at 100% after all, nor 50% nor even 25%. What ya gotta do with engines like this (scarce internal parts, non-rebuildable blocks) is to take REALLY REALLLY good care of them, as in frequent oil changes, never let a monkey touch them, and never ever let them overheat, not even for 10 seconds.

    Hmm, maybe I should use that rationale to help me get over my fear of the Pontiac 301. I also have a fear of the pre-1985 Buick 231 V-6 and the GM 4L60E transmission, but that's because I have first-hand experience with those failing. :P
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    The Northstar isn't bad per se, just not the wunderkind that its proponents tout it as. Drive it every so often, change the fluids regularly, and make absolutely certain the orange coolant never gets contaminated, and it should hold up fine with light use.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,800
    Thing with the Accords is that they get heavily discounted. And the sticks depreciate more than the autos. That particular car could be bought for between $25-$26k when new. So we're only talking $3500 off that new price.

    I know my '06 is valued at like $16k trade-in now. If it was an auto, it would be $1k more. Mine is the same as that one on ebay, minus the NAV and spoiler. So figure in about 1 year, that car will be maybe $16,500-$17k. So that new owner is looking at at least $5k in depreciation, while the first owner only took a $3500 hit. I'd say that seller did very well.

    Which makes me think maybe I should sell mine on Ebay!

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  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    "Tacky" and still a Taurus.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,159
    Why spend that kind of money restoring a rubber bumper MGB? Good luck with that!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,800
    probably because any non-rubber bumper ones have become too darned expensive to start with.

    And, yet, even after all that, although the pics are small, it looks to me like the panel fitment is off.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    That MGA coupe will sell. The ideal buyer would be a rich British dwarf.
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    MGA roadsters are so pretty, but that MGA coupe just looks GOOFY. Is there a big difference in value between the two?
  • urnewsurnews Member Posts: 668
    That Taurus is like a bad joke of a car.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Maybe 25% difference. Depends on which MGA roadster you are comparing it to. Some guys like them for touring events, because the MGA is so bad in weather, and if the wife comes along, you know what that means. (this generalization is a personal opinion, based on individual experience, and not representative of Edmunds management. Thank you :P )
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Funny, I'm on my second Northstar-powered Cadillac and am very pleased with the engine. Of course, I maintain my cars religiously, so I might be better off than the slob who changes his oil once every 15K miles and takes it to Pep Boys.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I've taken my Seville STS and still take my DTS Performance to the Cadillac dealer for service. I won't let the guys who flunked out of high school auto shop near any of my rides.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,159
    I've heard and experienced nothing but good things about the power/smoothness with the Northstars. These days, how often do you hear of someone getting a recent-model (DOHC/16valves/etc) engine rebuild, anyway? They now seem good for 150-200k with conscientious maintenance.
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    How much is a "new" 1987 300ZX worth? I don't know, but I am pretty sure it is a lot less than this. You could get a '90s TT Z in excellent condition for less than this.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    Bwhah haha

    Edmunds lists the TMV on that '87 300zx at just under $3K! While I would think it might be worth more if it is all the seller claims, No Way is that a 15k auto.

    Just cause it's old and still pretty doesn't make it worth stupid money.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,159
    Are '87 300zx's in anybody's book of 'up and coming classics'? The later TT, sure, but this?
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    I don't think that style really has enough of of a following to warrant a high price, although it is a nice car. At this time, I think the Z, along with the Supra, were still considered more of a "gentleman's sports car". I believe it was the later models, which were more of a Corvette contender, that are the in-demand ones.
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    The early 300 guys seem to think their cars are worth as much or more as the later (and far nicer) cars. They are wrong, of course.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,960
    it's an sho, so it does have something going for it. the price is totally off the wall.
    i wonder what it looks like under the wrap. my wife had one for about 6 years. i never liked how it shifted gears and except for the occasional glitch, it was a pretty decent car. it got us through a 400+ mile snowstorm, so i have a soft spot for it.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    BMW M5 -- so we have 230,000K miles, a radiator that gushes out coolant, a transmission noise in third gear, non-op AC. This is the best part of the ad:

    "Just to be clear - this car needs absolutely nothing right now".

    AC/$2000; transmission overhaul $2,500; head gasket $1,500 ?? (known for cracked heads).

    Got a real bad feeling about that particular car:

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    Jaguar XJS -- as bad as these cars are, still that seems rather cheap. I would think more like $5,000; after all the masochist requires that the pain be exquisite. Fortunately, these V12 cars often solve their own problems by catching on fire, with the V12 engine sometimes referred to as the "auxiliary heating system".

    Mazda Cosmo -- historically interesting car, and probably worth buying and holding onto.

    75 Mercedes 230 -- no, you don't want that year/ model.

    1973 Corolla KE 20 --- GREAT little car, worth every penny. Buy it.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    I agree with Shifty.

    That dashboard is really nice looking.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,800
    i agree with shifty on the Corolla. Scoop that puppy up and give it a home!

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    I kinda like that Mazda Cosmo. I don't think I've ever seen one in person, so it's definitely an oddity to me. Dash is neat, like they actually put some effort into it.

    That Corolla looks like such a little torture chamber though, and a vulgar color to boot. I don't care how expensive gasoline gets...I'd pay the money to have a '76 Electra converted to all electric before forcing myself into one of those things! :surprise:

    I never really cared for the Ford Elite, although that does look like a nice one, and in a tasteful color. I just think that GM did pimpy intermediates soooo much more tastefully back then. And even the likes of the Chrysler Cordoba and Charger S/E and Magnum just seemed more toned-down. I always thought Ford's intermediates had cool dashboards though, with the four round dials in a row, and the way it sweeps away.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,159
    "That Corolla looks like such a little torture chamber though, and a vulgar color to boot. I don't care how expensive gasoline gets...I'd pay the money to have a '76 Electra converted to all electric before forcing myself into one of those things!"

    Those things were bearable if you were 5'8", but I wouldn't want to spend 10 minutes in one. These were designed before Japan figured out how large we were over here.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,649
    I think I am too tall for that Corolla...but never fear, I have no doubt there are 10 people now contacting that seller to give it a good home.

    Regarding that /8...I know it's not a good year and it's a dog...but I somehow have an itch for a very basic little car like that. I've also been thinking what will replace my daily driver E55 in the future...probably not another V8 car as I think even with my short commute, the fuel will become an annoyance.
  • fortee9erfortee9er Member Posts: 134
    A friend just bought an E34 M5 and paid $13k for it. It has 160k miles but looks great and the engine had a top end rebuild 15k miles ago.
    High miles scares me and 230k is a lot of miles for any car.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The only way that Corolla could survive where I'm at is by hibernating in an oil bath all winter. I'd also fear taking it out in the rain or putting it away wet.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,649
    I'd actually fear the same thing even here....70s Japanese cars are uncommon west of the mountains here (although they did soldier on through the early 90s until mechanical neglect and rot ate most of them). Time catches up even when the elements are gentle.

    I like keeping the fintail dry, too...they weren't exactly rust-resistant.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,159
    Oooh, oooh, can I buy some please??? I bet it help grow hair, too! What a bunch of BS :sick: :sick: Stealth scammer - late hour, hopes it'll last the night.
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    He could at least pretend to be one of us for a while, maybe post a couple of old junkers from Craigslist before he breaks into this nonsense. The quality of snake oil salesmen really seems to be on the decline.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    post removed for soliciting in the forums.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,649
    I have to give a Ford Elite anecdote. A longtime friend of mine's parents had one, they bought it new. They owned it until 1987, and that that time it had decayed so much it was not really even worth trading in. Even in this mild climate, rust had eaten it up - his father had artfully patched rust holes in the bodywork with duct tape and paint that matched the body (it was a poopy brown, so it wasn't hard). When the floors began to go, they got rid of it. The car was apparently mechanically reliable, but structurally it just fell apart in about 10 years. The Elite was replaced with a new Celebrity wagon that stranded his mother many times. That was replaced with an Accord that was faultless, replaced with another Honda after that one got miled up, and another Honda...you get the point.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    I actually like that dark greenish-blue color on that '82 Delta 88. I dunno what they called it, but I think it was a 1982-only color, and a lot of the interior and trim parts were colors that were also used with the "Jadestone" (light silvery blue/green). For instance, my '82 Cutlass Supreme, which was Jadestone, had the landau vinyl in that same color. The interior was mostly light green, but the dashboard and the rear package shelf were a dark green. I guess they just picked one color for some of those parts, which would complement two or more overall color schemes, to save a few bucks.

    As for that Mounty Carlo, what is "charom". Isn't that the 70's chick that would holler "coochie coochie coochie!"?

    I'm impressed that the '67 Satellite actually has useable quarter panels. Usually with those cars, if they were going to rust out, that would be the first place they'd go. For $650 it might be worth it just for the parts, if somebody has one of those things they're fixing up. I'm guessing its 8 3/4 rear-end would have fairly aggressive gearing, too which might be worth something if it's salvageable.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    When I was in 4th grade, my best friend's parents had a '75 or '76 Elite, also in that poopy brown. This was just 1979-80 though, so the car still looked good. They also had a little reddish-orange Rabbit. We only lived down there for a year, so I don't know how well those cars held up, long term. Mom bought that house in southern MD in the summer of 1979, but ended up hating it because it was so far away from everything, and she got homesick. I remember we went back up to see Grandmom & Granddad like every other weekend, and while it was only one mile further to work, there were a lot more traffic lights, congestion, etc. So after a year we moved back.

    Sometimes I miss that place, but it just wouldn't be the same today. When we lived down there, there was a farmhouse across the street that must have sat on about 100 acres or more. Woods to the back, and fields that were just starting to return to nature. I looked at some aerial photos of the area recently, and there's a new crop in that field now...McMansions. :sick:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,649
    I think half of those Elites were brown...as maybe 40% of the cars sold that year. It also had a brown cloth interior...well, it was more like a burlap as the car aged. My parents luckily never bought anything as heinous. Although the brown S-10 Blazer my dad had was a piece of junk. Brown cars are cursed.

    The field we used as a BMX/off road bike trail when I was a kid is now occupied by a field of tract houses...all of them appear to be maybe half the quality of the unredeeming 70s-80s subdivision where I lived...and that's not saying much.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    Brown cars are cursed.

    Yeah, I think if there's one color that would turn me off to a car, it would be brown. Although there are exceptions. For instance, I don't really mind the lighter, more caramel-ish brown on the 1979 Catalina pictured in this brochure. It's not my favorite color in the pallete, but I could tolerate it.

    And Chrysler had a color called Sable Tan Sunrise Metallic, which while it looks brown to me, I could probably deal with it. I think another advantage though, is that these cars have more of a lighter, more beigish interior. If the car was a dark brown color with a dark brown interior, I'd probably hate it.
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    "That Corolla looks like such a little torture chamber though, and a vulgar color to boot. I don't care how expensive gasoline gets...I'd pay the money to have a '76 Electra converted to all electric before forcing myself into one of those things!"

    Those things were bearable if you were 5'8", but I wouldn't want to spend 10 minutes in one. These were designed before Japan figured out how large we were over here.


    I am a little late on the Corolla, but my dad had a '73 2 door, but the grill was different than that one. He paid $2300 for it back the, so they actually appreciated a hundred dollars. When the first gas crisis hit he decided to take the family of 5 on a yearly 2 week vacation to the outer banks in it instead of the '71 Catalina because he could save $20 on gas. I swear to this day the reason my knees creek is due to being stuffed like a sausage in the back for 8 hours.

    That Corolla made it to 1986 and was titled in 4 different family members names. With a 160k miles it was sold to the scrap yard for $100. :cry: Not a very good end to a workhorse of a car.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,649
    You can have both those cars. Brown just puts me off...I'm having a hard time thinking of a car that looks good in brown. What were people thinking in the 70s? My mom's Ciera was kind of a bronze color...kind of brown, but light and metallic enough to not be offensive. I guess the 80s cleaned it up a little.

    Those snowflake wheels on that big Bonnie coupe are interesting, anyway.

    Even Mercedes did it...from the mid 60s through the late 70s, "tobacco brown" (originally "Havana brown", but that had to be changed) was not an uncommon color. A brown 240D with a caramel tex interior would really be a 70s flashback, maybe not in a good way. I've even seen it on SLs...I can't imagine going to a MB dealer in 1975, ordering a fancy new roadster, and choosing it to be brown.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    I'm still a real sucker for those light, soothing metallic blue-greens of that era. Some may think my tastes are warped when I say this, but I find this duo of 1981 Delta 88s to be really attractive. Oh, I also found out what the name of that darker greenish blue is. They were both called Jadestone. One was Light Jadestone and one was Dark Jadestone. Here's the page with all the colors listed. Also, since it was a 1981 brochure, I guess I was wrong about Jadestone being a 1982-only color! Looks like they also had an extra dark Jadestone offered only on the Toronado. And also a dark green that looks similar in the brochure scan, but in real life I think was more of a forest green.

    As for brown Benzes, I have a brown Matchbox 60's Benz. I think it's supposed to be the hardtop, but the way they made it, it looks like a 2-door sedan. Like this, but in brown.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,649
    I like silvery blue colors. I was very fond of the light blue on my W126 as well. I don't mind the blue-green colors as you mention, either.

    All of those color choices are amazing to modern eyes. Go buy a Camcord and you might get to choose from 6 colors if you are lucky.

    I know the Matchbox you mention, the 300SE, introduced ca. 1967 and made until maybe 1972. It was supposed to be the W112 hardtop coupe, but I guess the diecast process wouldn't allow it to lack a pillar, so they included it. The most common color for that car is blue, here it is in an ugly color.

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    There was also a Matchbox version of a W111 220SE coupe, introduced to the lineup ca. 1962. It lacked the pillar and was a "true" hardtop toy car.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    I've even seen it on SLs...I can't imagine going to a MB dealer in 1975, ordering a fancy new roadster, and choosing it to be brown.

    Speak of the devil...I went to the mechanic to pick up my Intrepid today, and he had a rough looking 450SL, with the hard top on, in brown. :sick: My Intrepid was parked right in front of it. I've seen worse shades of brown, so it wasn't the nastiest thing I've ever seen, but yeah, I couldn't imagine back in the 70's, going to the Benz dealer and say "gimme the brown one!"

    As for the Intrepid, the mechanic did a few things to it that he thought might fix it's stalling/refusing to start problems. Unfortunately, it didn't act up on him, and there were no error codes in the computer, so he was sort of flying blind. He told me to take it and give him a call in a few days and let me know how it was doing. Unfortunately, I didn't have to wait that long. It got me back home, and then it got me out to the liquor store. But then on the way back home, I was sitting at a red light, and it cut off. I put it in neutral and turned the key, and it fired right up, but back to the mechanic it went.

    This time, I parked it next to a beat-up '67-68 Imperial hardtop sedan, and in front of his '59 DeSoto Firedome parts car, so it was in good company, I guess. :shades:
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,960
    i noticed the twin towers in the catalina brochure. kind of weird, there was a discussion of that day at work last night during dinner(company bought). we all had to work until 8pm.
    i came in a couple of hours later than usual, 7:45 am. :D
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