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I can handle facts; Mr. Nicholson. Not subjective arbitrary opinions on something as serious as safety and lives. Remember, it was Nightshark - not me - who made the assertions in the first place. I asked him/or anybody else to show some facts for or against his assertions. The best possible way of proving/disproving this is through government/insurance/safety assoc. studies of past crashes/independant lab tests, etc.. Those are facts (or close enough) that I and most readers will accept - not that it is too subjective to answer.
Personaly, for what it is worth, I don't agree/believe that Nightshark is right at this point - hence my asking for proof.
I first looked at the story and saw the picture and said????
Interesting article. I tell you what I dream of is a Toyota or Nissan(Honda won't be ready)to come out with a 3/4 or 1-ton 4x4 diesel crew cab that would be sweet Have you checked under your truck yet on the bearing carrier.
gooba,
My part came in and it's got a different part number than the one he ordered. I haven't called the dealer yet, I'm going by there in the morning to schedule an appointment and make arrangements for a loaner from them. I'll ask them if it's a new design. I'll post sometime in the morning here in this topic to keep you guys up to date.
fordsporttrac,
Got any pictures yet of your truck to post? I'm still waiting (with you)for your hard bed cover. Maybe Ford plans on giving it to you as a Christmas gift
Look under your truck and follow your driveshaft from the rear differential to the transmission.As you follow the shaft up to the transmission you will see a crossmember.If you have the carrier bearing you will notice that the driveshaft passes through a half round item that is mounted on top of that crossmember.This component has a metal frame around it and has a rubber structure inside.The problem is at the base of this.A piece of the rubber pops out from the frame around it (usually at the bottom).This has caused in some vehicles vibrations on take off and noise in more extreme cases.I hope this helps.
Honda could do worst than emulate the ST. Just imagine if they copied the Aztec. I saw my first one up close today and my only thought was it was nice that even the blind could be a GM designer.
When will Edmunds publish the pricing information for the Nissan SC-V6's? It appears they have recently added the 2001 reviews for the Nissan Frontier to the Nissan line-up but excluded the pricing for the super charged option.
In reading the posts here, I would comment that Nissan was first out of the chute with the compact pickup crew cab (when everyone said they were ugly, useless, poor design, etc). For whatever it's worth, Ford et al seem to be playing catch up for the 2000-2001 season.
Lastly, does Ford have a V8 slated for their 2001 ST's? I think they'll need it to keep up with the Nissan super charged beastie.
All in all I think both makers are offering the right vehicles in the right markets. I just hope we aren't debating the El Camino Vs. the Ranchero come 10 years from now. That is I hope the trend on these things last.
You said;
Maybe Ford plans on giving it to you as a christmas gift
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Xmas of what year? ;-> I'm starting to get a little annoyed but I haven't been a squeaky wheel. I think I'll start squeaking this week.
Lastly, does Ford have a V8 slated for their 2001
ST's? I think they'll need it to keep up with the
Nissan super charged beastie.
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I think you should check some of the specs and rags. The Nissan 3.3 Supercharged engine will probably boost the performance to just about where the Ford 4.0 V6 is now. If ford put a V8 in the ST it would be to compete against the bigger Trucks not the CC.
Currently the Nissan CC gets poor marks for power. The supercharger isn't gonna make the 3.3 a monster engine its just gonna solve the power problem.
Even with the supercharger I'd bet that the ST's 4.0 could still out run/haul the CC's 3.3 SC. :-) In time we'll see.
Also, I would be willing to bet that the engine in the Nissan will still be running/hauling just as good at 400,000 miles as it did at mile one. I wish I could say the same of the Ford but statistically I don't see it. Fix Or Repair Daily. F. Over Rebuilt Dodge. Those seem to be good empirical summations of how I believe Ford to be perceived.
Don't get me wrong. Nissan is no angel of a company. If they had common sense they would never have killed they're only sports car line and destroyed their share of the pickup market.
FordST - That's another defect!! one more and we catch the ST!!
By the bye - i have run with 35lbs in my truck and I can really see the difference in Gas mileage. Do yyou think I might wear out the tires faster? If so, no biggy, I always like to take off the OEMs and put on Michelins anyway. For the most part Oem tires are spec'ed to wear faster (according to my "Tire guy"
Went to the dealer about the cover. Seems I was to smart for my own good. I knew the cover was late availability when I brought my truck so I made the deal to include the cover upfront and paid for it in the deal.
Ford was prepared for the problem too and sent certificates to all ST owners allowing them to buy the cover directly from Ford at sticker price. But Ford will not ship any Tonneau covers to dealers until they fill all the orders from the certificates. So my first complaint to the dealer was very helpful. They asked me order the cover with my certificate and when it arrives they will install it and credit my charge card.
By making the deal up front I saved about $100 but Fords program was putting a huge delay on my delivery by stalling dealer orders.
Well it's good that you got a straight answer from your dealer, because something like this where you've had to wait at least six months for a part that you ordered could be very aggravating.
As for the bushing on the driveshaft - Service Advisor knew nothing about any problem and said there was know bulletin on it... So I showed him and he said oh; well fix that. He did say he thinks he has to order a whole new driveshaft? He is going to check tommorrow. He also doesn't know anything about a new replacement part.
Me thinks me will have problems with this service advisor!!!
I got my hitch installed this afternoon. Hidden Hitch Tubular. Very slick. I can only see the reciever and about 6" on each side. I'm gonna trailer my wave runners to upstate NY this weekend so I'll take some pictures and give you folks a performance report.
The hitch place had all sorts of Neat toys. He had VERY COOL dual position rack. In the lower position it extended behind the bed and would support up to 10' long sheets of whatever. 4' in the bed. 2' on the tailgate and this support extending 4' from the class III hitch with a 2' overhang allowed.
In the upper postion it would support 18'+ long suff like a cannoe. From the roof racks to 3' past the open tail gate. The weight limit of the roof racks needs to be considered when loading.
As to OEM tires, it depends which car you get. It is actually the car companies that "spec" the tires they want on their vehicles, and many times they spec to save money. I have no experience with Ford, but my Honda and Nissans and Saturn (and father's Dodge Caravan)all had tires that only lasted 40-60k; the replacements Michelin and others were rated for much longer I was told by Nissan and Honda folk that this was the case.
There is a NSB on the seal, that's why there is a completely different manufacturer making the redigned part. Give your service advisor the 'new' number I posted yesterday or give him the old one it should superceed to the 'new' part. It will be a whole new driveshaft assy. the bearing and the carrier is part of the driveshaft, with the flanges you can't get the parts separately. Don't let these guys jerk you around. My dealer didn't know anything about it either until I brought mine in...they were awesome, unbelievable service they never questioned me...in fact they threw my truck on the rack as soon as I brought in and I didn't call before hand. In fact I'm going to write them a letter thanking them for such good service(this is something I never do, but since it's harder and harder to find I think deserves praising).
fordsporttrac,
When I got my hitch(mine's a draw-tite that's hidden the only thing you see is the reciever it nice how they're designing them now) I saw the thing that you're talking about(rack), but I think I saw the same thing at Home Depot in their truck section(with the tool boxes and such)it might be cheaper there than at the accessory store. Although I great deal on my hitch only $149 with the pigtail, installation, 2" ball and including tax. Everybody else wanted $180 plus all the extras. I will take pictures this weekend too and I promise to post them.
Could you please check those #'s again - my dealer says there are no $ in the #. Thanks!!
The truck has absolutely no problem pulling it, too. Today I could have used some good mats, I thimnking of weathertec? I wish that catchall made some our trucks. I'm scared that the Husky's will have too tall of a lip on the side.
Ingalls,
If I'm not mistaken my Crew Cab has a 4:10 rearend. I'll check my 'sticker' tomm., it's at work I think it says it there. I have an Auto 4X4 with the limited-slip and the motor turns 3000rpm when I'm going 80mph. But I'll check on the ratio. I'm very interested in the driving lights that you mentioned...I forgot who it was that mentioned it a few months ago, where did you get them and what model are they? Did you just unplug your wires and plug in the new lights?
It did downshift out of OD a few dozen times durring the 4 hour drive but I was maintaining 75Mph on the uphill climbs with no problems. Only on the steep hills did it down shift.
I hit 80 Mph a few times without any problems. Even the trailer was smooth. I was able to hold 80 while climbing the steep hills too but it did shift out of OD.
Things I noticed;
80 Mph = 2900 RPM with OD on and Trailer in tow.
Acceleration with trailer in tow is;
Excellent from 0-30, (almost got wiplash )
sucks from 30-39, (delayed shifting into 3rd)
Good from 40-65,
Average from 65-80. (Good if you compair it to
my old 4Runner)
I was VERY impressed by the gas milage. In the 4Runner, with an 18 Gal tank, on the same trip, with the AC on, towing the trailer, I had to stop and refuel and would arrive with 3/4 of a tank. The ST has a 20.5 Gallon tank and I arrived with 1/4 of a tank and never stopped. I haven't done the math yet but I figure I used about 5 gallons less fuel with the ST.
I took 3 QUICK photos of my ST & Trailer and put them on Driveway.com today. The resolution is low to keep all the slow modem fokes happy.
I purchased the soft Tonneau cover just for the trip. Lucky I did cuz it rained all the way there and back, and my wife brought half the baby's room with us. When my hard cover comes in I'll sell the soft cover. Soft cover has 4 turn buckles that hold it in place, so its easy to remove.
After unloading the waverunners I discovered backing the trailer was a bit of a pain. In the 4 Runner I would just drop the tailgate to see the trailer. With the soft Tonneau on it blocked my view. And the ST is so wide that it hid the trailer completely unless it was perfetly straight behind me. I was too lazy to unsnap the soft cover to see through the tailgate so I had my wife sit on the back of the trailer and used her head as the center line. :-) Looks like I need a pole/flag on the [non-permissible content removed] of trailer now.
I checked out all my tires before I left and I found they were all filled to 30lbs yet the sticker on the door says 30 in the front and 33 rear.
Looks like the engine broke in at around 3500 miles. I used about 3/4 of a quart of oil until around 3500 miles. Since then its been good.
Time for my first service anyway. :-)
I'll Take some better photos when I get the good Tonneau cover.
I'm wondering when Edmunds will include this information as it seems most of the mystery regarding the new Nissans is the little aluminum box on top of the cylinder head
I've put the first draft of the compare doc in rtf on driveway. Can anyone let me know what is missing or just plain wrong. To be fair I'm trying to compare the new 2001 CC to the current 2001 ST in Standard options and optional equipment. Why use old data???
The goal is to compare Apples to Apples as always.
I understand why you want to try to compare "apples to apples" but since no two manufacturers put the exact same options on their vehicles - you are not getting the "apples to apples" you want. (eg. power sunroof vs manual; stick 4x4 shifter vs. push button; etc..)
i think you can justify the added cost of the st like I said before, but that doesn't mean people will buy it because of that.
Like I said - I don't know much about gear ratios, but since I ride my mountain bike every day to work; I like the bigger back gears to smaller front gears to do big hills. Wouldn't that be the same in a truck?
I did take notice of the RPM difference on my trip too. OD downshift increased RPM's by 500 when holding the same speed.
Ya, i got the picture - later