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Toyota Tundra - Recent Buyers - Vibration Pbm?
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Isn't it ironic that the predominant solution to the Shakerundra vibration, is to put up post after post about problems in OTHER trucks?
Isn't it ironic that more Chevy Shakerado owners post to a Tundra VIbration topic than Tundra owners? I call it truck inferiority complex (TIC). Quad has a raging case of it.
Why has there only been 1 post in this topic in 4 months by a Tundra owner with a vibration problem?
Why has there been over 2500 posts about vibration for GM pickups since the start of this year? Seems like you guys have a major problem. It seems you would be spending your time better by trying to help fellow Shakerado owners.
I don't spend my time in Chevy vibration topics making a pest of myself - why don't you show the same consideration? Is your case of TIC that bad?
Bulletin Sequence Number: 591
Date of Bulletin: 9905
NHTSA Item Number: SB605915
Make: TOYOTA TRUCK
Model: TUNDRA
Year: 2000
Component: STEERING
Summary: PROCEDURES FOR IMPROVING A STEERING FLUTTER CONDITION ON VEHICLES WITHIN CERTAIN VIN RANGES. *TT
Now if I wanted to I could find hundreds of Shakerado owners and clog up this site with copies of posts. What would that accomplish? Everyone with a bit of sense knows that they have a huge problem. There has been over 2500 posts to Chevy vibration topics since the start of the year.
Quad - Do you see Tundra owners in the Shakerado vibration topics? No. It is because Tundra owners are happy with their purchases. Why don't you take your sour grapes and go elsewhere? Is your Tundra Inferiority Complex that bad?
You seem to infer that no posts mean no problems. That could be true (LOL). I think the real reason is they put so much faith into the Toyota reliability myth that they are now to embarrassed to admit they have a problem. Also the very small number of units sold limits the number of complaints. Last time I saw the numbers they were not even to 100K units yet. What would that be - 6 weeks worth of Ford or GM sales.
53 posts about non-vibrating Tundras.
Almost 20 to 1 more Shakerundras than Tundras.
http://agmlemon.freeservers.com/
problems?
Which is it? First Quad claims it is a rampant problem - 900 posts by Tundra owners. Then Z claims that Tundra owners are too embarrassed to post about their problems. If you guys are going to act like a Chevy pack - you'd better get your stories straight.
The truth is that there are vibrating Tundras - no doubt. No truck is perfect. If you visit Tundra Solutions you will find that there are a few very vocal posters with this problem. I don't blame them - if I had a truck that vibrated - I would be raising hell also. Most of the problems have turned out to be related to out of balance tires or rims.
How widespread is this problem? Well one person at Tundra Solutions is a salesperson who claims that out of 111 Tundras she has sold - 1 of them vibrated. I believe her. Her name is Dianne - read some of her posts for yourself.
I bought a Toyota because of their track record. J.D Powers ranks Toyota in a tie for third with BMW for quality. Chevy ranked 26th.
The Tundra won the 2000 J.D Powers award for initial quality. That's right - the best.
The Tundra is already rated by Consumer Reports as better than average predicted reliability.
The Chevy ranked -90%(Off of their charts). Consumer reports has already ranked the '99 Silverado as a used vehicle to avoid. The 4wheel drive is related even less reliable (if that is possible) The 2000 can't be far behind. These results are the result of owner surveys.
With Libby, it is obvious that she does not know a truck from a hole in the ground.
With Quad it is truck inferiority complex - he got stuck with a lemon shakerado.
Z is the runt of the Chevy pack - he just wants to run with the others (it makes him feel important).
Take a look at the posts to this topic. Only one Tundra owner with a vibration problem has posted here in 4 months. This topic would have died months ago if envious Chevy owners weren't posting here.
Out of the 170,000 or so Tundras sold, probably 1-2% have real vibration problems. That's no concellation to the 1-2%, but better than going with the 15-20% chance of getting a chevy lemon.
The posts SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
Some of those Tundra owners seemed a bit anal too. Like they are the nit picky type that irritates everyone around them. They should take a Carnigie course cause in looking at how they post, I'm sure they are pissing off the service advisor at the Toyota dealership with the way they speak...sort of like a Bill Gates type of nerd arrogance... IMHO.
"Just the fact that you
decided to post a ford comment in a silverado
buyback topic tells me that either you are looking
to get flamed or lack the sensitivity to understand
what the owners of these trucks are going through."
BTW, kit1404 never did answer the questions. In fact I was kind of reminded of the Tundrasolutions.com postings when addressing his previous post...
It's ok to be anal....as long as you wipe when you're done...LOL!!
995+ posts on Shakerundra at http://www.tundrasolutions.com
Truck inferiority Complex flaring up again? Poor baby!
Here is a post from another satisfied Chevy owner. Enjoy! This post is from this topic!
Hey!!! (obyone) Thu 29 Jun '00 (01:18 AM)
GM has a TSB just out to replace the rack and
pinion, power steering valve and weld a support
bracket to the A frame. This is to correct the
60-65 vibrations on trucks manufactured prior to
1/24/00. Is this a recall? No, GM has made this TSB
available to dealers who have customers
complaining about vibrations...guess what, the "FIX
KIT" is now on national backorder...WHOOOSH
another piece of turd down the bowl for GM...They
chose not to let all the 1/2 ton 2wd owner's know.
And do you think they ever will? For the record, we
are not talking about everyone could end up with a
lemon in all makes. We are talking about thousands
of trucks out there vibrating with a fix
available, and the chicken sh*t manufacturer won't
go public. I'd like to hear a little more in
support of GM, Chevy, and GMC. We can start with
trucksrme.
Dean
Seems someone likes to post in "Tundra owners rate your truck" topic but gets irate when a ford loser posts in the "Slverado Buyback" topic!
#68 of 109: Check this one out (kit1404) Fri 22 Sep '00 (09:51 PM)
Edmund's has a new test showing on their start
page of 2000 pick-up trucks. Guess which one won
the contest? I was a little surprised - the older
designed F-150. Frankly, I love my 1999 F-150 4X4
off-road, but I was shocked to see this old a
design beat the newer GM and Toyota designs. Says
something for the truck.
#69 of 109: kit1404 (obyone) Sat 23 Sep '00 (02:21 AM)
Actually it says more about Edmunds....
#70 of 109: Obyone (tiredofwaiting) Sat 23 Sep '00 (03:11 PM)
You are soooo right.
#71 of 109: Frankly (kit1404) Sun 24 Sep '00 (06:34 PM)
I read a lot of car/truck mags and most of the
consumer stuff too - Edmunds does a credible job on
their tests. It would be hard to dispute their
opinions/findings - still, think it was rather
impressive that the older Ford product stood up to
the new competition so well.
#72 of 109: kit1404...without sounding prejudiced (obyone) Sun 24 Sep '00 (09:40 PM)
nor too opinionated. Why would edmunds do a
credible job. If we look closely at their
evaluations, there are a lot of contridictions. To
me any evaluation is highly opinionated. Whether GM
trucks came out first or Dodge, it should be taken
with a grain of salt. Just the fact that you
decided to post a ford comment in a silverado
buyback topic tells me that either you are looking
to get flamed or lack the sensitivity to understand
what the owners of these trucks are going through.
Either way your opinion is just that. Another
opinion.
Continuing, what has edmunds done in their
evaluation that I as a consumer should give their
evaluation a second thought? You state that edmunds
has done a credible job. How? You state that it
would be hard to dispute their opinions/findings.
Opinions are just that, opinions and will always be subject to criticism. Findings? Exactly what
findings would be hard to dispute? Their evaluation would not sway anyone who owns another brand that they are happy with to ford. Nor does their evaluation have any convincing evidence to support ford as their #1 choice. One last thing, please explain to me what "I read a lot of car/truck mags and most of the consumer stuff too" have anything to do with "Edmunds does a credible job on their tests" as I see no relevance between the two. The problem with any "evaluation" is that objective "data" is mixed in with subjective "opinion" of the authors rendering the evaluation useless.
I look forward to your response....
Good luck on this one now!!
Rwell, does this make more sense? If you noticed my first post, didn't really care if or where that nimrod posted. Frankly, I don't think he even knew where he was posting, and I couldn't resist his rebuttal on Edmund's opinions. Seems too many people are using comic books as facts which they are not. If you're looking for a new truck, places like this and Tundrasolutions.com are where you are going to get the feedback you need to make your decision.
And though I think that some of the Tundra owners in Tundrasolutions.com are anal, I don't assume that all Tundra owners are. Anal that is....
You guys have fun debating Chevy vs Toyota and the merits of smoking.
Looking forward to seeing a big ice cube on this topic.
asked if others are having it. The little bit of
information you got here, pointed you to the "lots"
of information you got somewhere else.
Tundra owners do post here every day. In spite of obvious attempts at damage control by others, you DID get your question answered here.
Take this information, and use it anyway you can
to help solve a problem. We all want perfect
trucks. When Toyota makes one, I will be first in
line behind you to buy one. Until then, the timeout
needed is at Toyota, not Edmunds. Sincerely.
Rwell,
does it seem that I take offense that a tundra owner posts in a tundra subject? You bet. He has every right to post whatever he wants within the guidelines as defined by Edmunds. And so do I.
As far as my replies in the Silverado topic, let me state them once again. I didn't care whether kit1404 had posted in the buyback topic or not. The point to be debated was
1-The validity of his comments
2-The validity of the data that he commented on
3-The purpose of his post in that topic
I had asked the questions, he had a feeble answer. end of conversation...
I had no malice, posted no flames, just asked questions which had no inflection due to typing. I did try to make it sound as [non-permissible content removed] as possible which may have been interpreted different by others. Other than that didn't really matter to me. I still don't agree with the evaluation that Edmunds did...they should have saved their time and money....or was it Ford's money....LMAO!! Everyone has a price...maybe Edmund's is cheaper than others....or as cheap as Consumer Reports...LOL!!
There are several Chevy owners with Tundra Envy who inhabit this topic and post negative posts from other websites. Why from other websites? Because there is only one Tundra owner that has posted to this topic in 4 months with a vibration problem. There are more posts to this site from Chevy owners than Tundra owners.
One Chevy owner in particular - Quadrunner unfortunately got stuck with a lemon Silverado. His posts to this topic prove his raging case of truck inferiority complex. It is sad to see.
Are there vibrating Tundras? Of course. With over 120,000 produced there are bound to be some that vibrate. Most of the problems seem to be cured by balancing the tires, replacing them or a combination of the two. Some owners have had a more difficult time. It could be incorrect balancing procedure (hub centric vs. lug centric) incorrect alignment or something else.
The fact that Tundra won the 2000 J.D.Powers quality award for full size pickups says to me that it cannot be very widespread. I know of 4 other Tundra owners personally and none of them have had any problems. In fact, every single owner I have talked to has been thrilled with their purchase.
My suggestion to you would be to take a very thorough test drive including some freeway travel. I would suggest this no matter what brand truck you buy. If there is any problem - make them fix it before you buy it. Dealers tend to be more motivated before they have your money.
Oh - be prepared for Quad to do some massive cutting and pasting of negative posts from Tundra Solutions. That is his disease (TIC) kicking up again.
Have you checked out tundrasolutions.com? It's your opportunity to post questions to current Tundra owners. Seems like more of them congregate there than here.
trying to help Tundra owners understand how bad off they really are!!
They are also testing a 2000 Tundra - only part way through the test (maybe 5 months) Under problem areas they list - Cold start stalling problem. Also state - "Rear seat is like a park bench"
Maybe the MT staff does'nt understand that Toyota wants its trucks to start hard - you know so they have a chance to get the oil moving before the truck starts. LOL