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John111
http://www.autopedia.com/Lemon/
good luck!
Maybe Toyota and GM secretly partnered to make such "quality" trucks.
Tech says it has to do with the R&P steering. Funny, when I was in making my appointment, another Tundra 4X4 owner was there with the same problem: vibration at 60mph.
This is the first PU I have owned that my wife enjoys driving (I also like this truck), so I would like to have the problem solved instead of going back to a Ford.
Inc. "tested a tire model made for two Toyota
vehicles after small cracks were found on the
sidewalls, but both companies said Thursday that
the problems appear to be only cosmetic."
They said that the " Dueler HT 689 model, size
P265/70R16, was standard equipment on some of
Toyota's full-sized Tundra pickup trucks and its
new 2001 Sequoia sport utility vehicle until last
month when the cracks were discovered."
tires after discovering cracks
Toyota has informed Bridgestone/Firestone that it
will no longer accept tires that fall under the
Bridgestone Dueler brand name after Toyota
discovered "abnormal surface cracks"; in new tires
that come as standard equipment on such models as
the Toyota Tundra, according to CBS affiliate WWJ
News Radio in Detroit, MI. Surface cracks, if they do appear on tires, do not usually show until the near the very end of a tires life. This newly discovered problem could also lend to the argument of safety advocacy groups that quality is still an issue at Bridgestone/Firestone."
It certainly is easier to make the right decision after you watch someone else fugg up.
GM could charge more for better tires - Lets say Michelins were $150 more (cost to GM) than the deathsones - customers would pay $200 more -I know I would. They still come out ahead.
Don't get me wrong - I love my Silverado - still think it is the right truck for my needs. But Even Ford is starting to give customers a choice in tires. GM needs to get with the program.
There are owner discussions on everything from buybacks, steering wheel flutters, wheels and tires, rattling doors and shaking bench seats, the infamous 58 mph front end vibration, vibration over bumps, towing vibrations, vibrations in the brakes. Whew!
You didn't ask for my opinion but I'm giving it anyway. I've considered Tundra before, driven several, been on test drives etc. And while not without appeal potentially, Toyota currently has a real POS on their hands. I wouldn't dare buy one at this point.
You work in the tobacco industry. An industry which spends millions of dollars to suppress the truth. You make your money off an addictive substance which kills and cripples, just like those exploding chevy Truck gas tanks. You have no morality!
"You didn't ask for my opinion but I'm giving it
anyway."
Need I say more!!
I was waiting for someone to point that out. I might add that I moderate the dealer section of Tundra Solutions, and it's a fine site that LonV has given birth to there.
There are terrific dialogues and sincere help there with folks stepping in to give advice and share engineering and technical thoughts. Sidecross moderates the main board, and he's got years of excellent experience in service and engineering.
The largesse of the "vibrations" posts is mainly 17 people, with one key person posting who's logged an insane amount of posts, replies, and updates. Frankly, I believe he does it constantly to keep the topic folder at the very top of the board.
Of the 117 Tundras I have sold since they were introduced, I have sold one shaker. I think that pretty much covers the small percentage of trucks that have the "problem".
I have sold 5 Tundras to guys who have had Lemon Law rulings in their favor on Chevy Silverados, 4 on Ford F series trucks, one Ford Windstar, and two on Jeep products.
In the grand scheme of things, I believe that Toyota's doing all they can to make things right for these guys.
Quadrunn, I'd try a 2001 Tundra road test. Or, perhaps have a soda, kick back, and wait for the Sequoia to debut. That new rig will bowl you over. It's awesome.
-Dianne
dianne@earthlink.net
Robbie, you are a serial exaggerator.
Diane,
The vibration posts I read on your site seem quite honest, and sincere. In my opinion, they speak for themselves.
I read your posts about your Silverado buyback, long before you deleted them. Nice try though!!
Since the beginning of the year there have been over 2500 posts about Chevy vibrations. It seems that they have a much more serious problem.
Toyota Tundra - winner of the 2000 J.D. Powers award for best quality in a full size pickup.
Toyota Tundra - rated by consumer reports as having the best predicted reliability in 2000 pickups.
Toyota - Rated in a tie with BMW for 3rd best manufacturer in initial quality behind Lexus and Infiniti.
Shakerado - rated -90% in predicted reliability by Consumer Reports. Off their charts!
Shakerado - '99 rated as a used vehicle to avoid. Wow! that was quick. Must make Quad feel real good about selling that lemon of his.
Shakerado - Rated 26th as a manufacturer by J.D. Powers in initial quality. Down there struggling to stay ahead of Hyundai.
I feel sorry for the poor saps that Chevy suckered into buying that expensive junk. Now they feel that they have to make a pest of themselves in Tundra topics. That is what I call sour grapes. Oh Well!
And sour grapes....actually sour puss sounds better.
You were kicked off Edmunds for your ignorant, bigoted ranting. Seems you don't learn to well. You talk and talk about some "truth" while you hide the fact that you make your money off cancer crops. You have no concept of truth. Your boss, Phillip Morris, has lied before congress time and again. They evade and deny about how they manipulate the nicotine to make it an even more addictive drug.
You don't even drive a truck anymore because of
your age related palsy. You've never driven a Tundra. So why don't you stick to topics you know about! Like what type of additives make cigerettes the most addictive.
My wife has been involved with a few of the Tobacco litigation cases here in Nevada. My heart goes out to these poor slobs that have legitimate illness. But Geeez Robbie, no one put a gun to their heads to smoke the crap.
Quad,
I read your posts about your Silverado buyback,
long before you deleted them. Nice try though!!
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No deleted posts from me. And no buyback either. You are either confused, or deluded.
If you insist on being an idiot, I'll snap a digital picture of it with tomorrows Wall St. Journal. You can compare it to the pictures I posted last February at <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/sturbridg1/utahtrek.html">http://members.aol.com/sturbridg1/utahtrek.html
Can someone explain why there are 700+ posts about it on the http://www.tundrasolutions.com website?
More than any other topic?
20+ pages worth?
About 50 posts in a separate topic "Vibrationless Tundras" are from owners who state they don't have vibrations. Now what do you suppose is their motivation? To disprove the others? By 14 to 1, there are more owners reporting vibration problems than there are owners denying it.
And Robbie, Bama, if you didn't think there are vibration problems, you wouldn't be reading this thread, since as owners...you should know. I have more to say about that after I first point out the ridiculous suggestion of the dealer section moderator, Diane, who suggests I take a test drive in a Sequoia? Can all Toyota owners be this clueless? Apparently, there is no distinction between an SUV and a pickup truck. No wonder you can't see the difference between a wee truck and a full size.
But I digress. Because there are only 2 reasons for so much discussion about shaking, vibrating Tundras on the http://www.tundrasolutions.com website.
Toyota either CAN'T fix the problem, or WON'T fix the problem. Which is it?
I'll tell you what. They have a BIG problem on their hands, and just like Mitsubishi was famous for, sweeping it under the rug. You guys figure it out...hub centric, lug centric, or just eccentric!
700+ posts....Rube, forgive me but...
Good luck on this one now!
http://agmlemon.freeservers.com/
ROTFLMFAO!!!!
P.S. Quad, I'm sorry your buyback attempt was unsuccessful. Yes, please snap that picture with the front page of the Wall St. Journal.
72 of 107: kit1404...without sounding prejudiced (obyone) Sun 24 Sep '00 (09:40 PM)
nor too opinionated. Why would edmunds do a
credible job. If we look closely at their
evaluations, there are a lot of contridictions. To
me any evaluation is highly opinionated. Whether GM
trucks came out first or Dodge, it should be taken
with a grain of salt. Just the fact that you
decided to post a ford comment in a silverado
buyback topic tells me that either you are looking
to get flamed or lack the sensitivity to understand
what the owners of these trucks are going through.
Either way your opinion is just that. Another
opinion.
Continuing, what has edmunds done in their
evaluation that I as a consumer should give their
evaluation a second thought? You state that edmunds
has done a credible job. How? You state that it
would be hard to dispute their opinions/findings.
Opinions are just that, opinions and will always be
subject to criticism. Findings? Exactly what
findings would be hard to dispute? Their evaluation
would not sway anyone who owns another brand that
they are happy with to ford. Nor does their
evaluation have any convincing evidence to support
ford as their #1 choice. One last thing, please
explain to me what "I read a lot of car/truck mags
and most of the consumer stuff too" have anything
to do with "Edmunds does a credible job on their
tests" as I see no relevance between the two. The
problem with any "evaluation" is that objective
"data" is mixed in with subjective "opinion" of the
authors rendering the evaluation useless.
I look forward to your response....
Good luck on this one now!!
Sounds like Rube? Also he seems a little sensitive about this Ford drivers "lack of sensitivity to understand what the owners of these trucks are going through."
About the gun-to-the-head. Normally, I'd agree! One should take responsibility for their actions, but....
The tobacco companies have manipulated an already addictive substance and made it highly addictive. Did you know that cigarettes can be more addictive than heroin? They use ammonia enhancers along with other chemicals which send the substance across the blood/brain barrier in droves, creating one of the most potent addictive qualities of any known drug. I think GM uses similar methods to create chevy Truck addicts (they know it's bad for them, they just can't stop)
You talk a lot about factory smoke. Ironic!! You best keep your mind off the Tundra, which you can never own and get back to peddlin' them cancersticks to the next generations of addicts.
Your last sentence and it's theory I figured is what Toy used, but in a subliminal sound system coming from a hidden sound generator. At least in spoog's case LOL!!
I recently bought a 2001 v8 access cab 4x4
and I notice a vibration at about 45 mph
Good luck on this one now!
On the cigarette issue, did you ever noticed the similarities when watching the execs from the tobacco industry testify before congress and the testimony of Nasser and the CEO of bridgestone. You should cause they are all responsible for killing people...
Lastly, I'm glad that Bama doesn't post as soon as rwell does...that way they don't appear to be one and the same.
A last piece of advice....toytunone...if you have deathstones on that explorer that you own, dump 'em before they catch ya.
About the Xploder, yes I have gravestones on it, Michelins are on order at the Ford Dealer. When I think about all the highway trips I've made in it, sometimes cruising for hours at 85 mph, I'm lucky to be alive.
toytunone
Contemplated buyback...met with dealer GM, ESM, Shop foreman, and factory tech. We reviewed the problems as the dealer was getting no where on the vibration issue, similar to the people on tundrasolutions.com, so a proposed final attempt was to be made and if no resolution, voluntary buyback on GM's part without arbitration. Fortunate for all of us, the final fix worked. In this event, GM had agreed to buyback as looking over all the workorders involved, it would have been in their best interest as they would have saved money rather than to try and continue. The biggest impact, as it often is, is the dealer involvement. The dealer has tremendous influence over the buyback decision as they are the people who work on the truck.
If you had read some of Cliffy's posts, the dealership's make more of a difference in getting resolutions to Tun problems than Toyota itself. What a lot of owners don't understand in resolving warranty issues is that they need to "make a friend" within their service department. Maybe that's a fault of ours in "demanding" service. If more owners read Carnigie's, How to Win Friends and Influence People, there would be less outstanding warranty issues with these trucks.
Today, I'm driving a '01 Dakota Quad Cab. Great truck...if you can forget about Dodge's history of quality. And to answer your question I own and still own a '00 Silverado.
I sincerely apologize for disparaging remarks vis-a-vis your buyback mystery.
BTW, what was the date of your final resolution with GM, and did you get a guarantee they would buyback the truck if the "fix" didn't work?