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Car dealerships are independent businesses. A country club friend of my dad's OWNS 22 of them. Some of his are even different from each other, based on market conditions for the particular brand it sells.
Due to factors like topology, weather, and even style, certain brands can sell much better than others in different locales. Check out a Subaru in Florida (if you can even find a dealership), then do the same in Vermont. On the same page, check out Toyota and Nissan trucks in New England, now do the same in an area full of GM or Ford devotees, like certain areas of the Mid-western US.
Just to use Toyota and Nissan as an example, there are good and bad of both within 30 minutes of my home. When I bought my last two trucks (one of each ), quotes were all over the map from different dealerships selling the exact same product.
A relative bought a Prius from a sleazy dealer, I think the folks who sold me my last Tacoma are outstanding. The two dealerships are 20 minutes apart. I can name Nissan dealerships that mimic the Toyota examples.
Independent businesses...
Come summer Critter will be ready to deal on Fronty!
In the Surf Fish'in!
Surf Fish'in
I myself am waiting til the 2007 Frontiers arrive before I deal.
That is another bonus of the Toyotas. They hold their value like nothing else. But for the record, I did price the new Nismo and found it to be higher priced new than my new Tacoma TRD. Toyotas may be a little overpriced, and I guess that is why out of every 15 trucks sold, 11 are Tacomas, 3 are Frontiers and 1 is a Ridgeline.
Unless you don't care about bang for the BUCK!
jump,but this summer is my time to get new ride. Want the Nismo King 4x4, may settled for SE Model,depend on deal/price. That electronic locker for rear on Nismo is really a killer for offroad use.
Toyota dosen't sell used cars, dealers do.
FWIW, a Edmunds says a silver (I had to pick a color) TRD Access Cab 4x4 with 7000 miles, no tow package, and an automatic (a.k.a. a typical TRD) books out @ $24,100 dealer retail and $25,205 as a certified used car.
Step 5 Review Edmunds.com Pricing Report
Vehicle2005 Toyota Tacoma 4dr Access Cab V6 4WD SB (4.0L 6cyl 6M) True Market Value Pricing
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
National Base Price $17,420 $18,563 $20,468
Optional Equipment $1,979 $2,102 $2,570
Sport Seats $150 $160 $195
Cruise Control $92 $97 $119
Power Windows $159 $169 $207
Power Exterior Mirrors $92 $97 $119
Daytime Running Lights $24 $25 $31
Manual Horizontal Sliding Rear Window $97 $103 $126
Alloy Wheels $594 $632 $772
Privacy Glass $50 $53 $65
5-Speed Automatic Transmission $519 $552 $674
Fog Lights $50 $53 $65
Limited Slip Differential (Rear) $52 $55 $67
17 Inch Wheels $50 $53 $65
Audio Steering Wheel Controls $50 $53 $65
Color Adjustment
Silver $62 $66 $73
Regional Adjustment
for Zip Code 06457 $-18 $-19 $-21
Mileage Adjustment
7,000 miles $161 $161 $161
Condition Adjustment
Outstanding $742 $753 $849
Total $20,346 $21,626 $24,100
Certified Used Vehicle $25,205
Go figure...
Keep you posted!
kcram - Pickups Host
6 lane Intersection jump lol
Your Tacoma's Vvt-i is essentially the same as Honda's Vtec, and Nissan's CVTCS (Continuously Variable Valve-Timing). Thing is, Nissan's and Honda's yields more horsepower than Toyota's, without drinking the expensive stuff needed to get that power.
as for nissan... you want a cheap product then go for it... you might get 4k rebates etc... but the reality is when you drive off the dealership lot your vehicle already depreciated 3k. ya gotta love nissans resale value...
VVTL-i, which can alter valve lift (and duration) as well as valve timing. This is accomplished differently than Honda's VTEC. Instead of switching between two different cam shafts, there are spacers that are slid between a single cam shaft and the valves. At higher RPM, controlled by the ECU, oil pressure is directed to push the spacers between the camshaft lobes and valves, effectively simulating a much "hotter cam" and creating increased valve lift. When the engine falls in RPM the spacers are pulled out of action and the engine operates more economically
ridgeline
HP: 247 @ 5750rpm Torque: 245 @ 4500rpm
tacoma
HP: 236 @ 5200 rpm Torque: 266 lb.-ft. @ 4000 rpm
Nissan hasnt yet posted its SAE hp and torque ratings.
Critter in the SURF FISH'in!
That is a false statement. Do some research.
Does anybody understand that you are never going to be able to convince the other side you are right and they are wrong?
I happen to have a Frontier, but I could be just as happy with a Tacoma. There are a few of us who are on both sides and the rest will never change their minds.
I don't know why I added this post because it is kind of fun to watch.
OkieScot
torque is well over 260+
dyno numbers vary... depending on elevation and weather.. I would like to see a vs. comparison... both trucks tested at the same time on the same dyno both on regular and high octane...
torque numbers for the frontier arnt any better... frontiers torque numbers are at 284 2 more then the tacoma, The tacoma might get more power for 07. With a torque number of 278 at 3700rpm peaking lower then the frontier... this is SAE ratings, if it were the old ratings like nissan is using to push up sales.. the 07 tacoma would of been rated at over 294ft.lb of torque.
p.s.
The FJ cruiser has the same engine and doesnt require premium ...
if you dont like it then go back to the nissan thread.. and talk about TSBs and recalls.
The experts agree with you. People who drive for a living (at Car and Driver Magazine) cite the Tacoma as having a floppy suspension and sloppy steering, as well as a seating position that puts the driver on the floor. It was placed behind the Nissan Frontier in this test. The Honda Ridgeline came out on top. Sadly, the Americans, once known for their truck-making, came in fourth and fifth with the Dodge Dakota and Chevy Colorado.
p.s.
nissan followed dodges lead by having a whole boxed frame... Toyota reinforced the tacomas body and added a prado landcruiser frame which isnt available here in the states... because of that frame any stock tacoma has nice wheel articulation... unlike the frontier which wont flex as much because of its heavy [non-permissible content removed] frame.
Boxed framed 4x4's and all wheel drive unit bodies are in different playing fields altogether.
Boxed framed 4x4's and all wheel drive unit bodies are in different playing fields altogether.
This is true, but part of it being different from all the "traditional" trucks is what got it "Truck of the Year". Some people want all the abilities of their car (Lockable trunk without adding a toolbox), roomy interior, carlike ride plus abilities of a truck (towing 5,000lbs, decent size bed for moving big/bulky/dirty items, AWD for those who occasionally venture off-road). For those (at least 50,000 so far) the Ridgeline is the best option. I doubt that those interested in 4-wheeling in their current pickup will look at the ridgeline, and I think that is a fair judgement to make. But, for those who use a truck as their daily driver to work downtown that does double duties as a home-depot hauler in the suburbs, the Ridgeline becomes an attractive choice.
Stop and listen to me. I did not accuse anyone of bashing by name. I also said that I do enjoy listening to the flak from both sides.
I like both trucks and most of the guys that own them as well.
OkieScot
more of a yuppy truck. AWD not made for hard off road use.
Critter in the SURF FISH'in
THANKS
BRAD,EAST COAST
NJ.LE CC 4WD.
THANK YOU DE NISSAN .
I know that a lot of dealers are using Galves now instead of NADA or Kelley Blue Book. Similar pricing just Galves offers lower trade-in values for all cars and trucks. Galves is also not free like either of the others. Gives dealerships a slight upper hand.
I priced out my truck with some added options (seen at the bottom). I decided to see how the same optioned Frontier faired as well in the past year. The numbers speak for themselves. Thanks Toyota. Flame on!
2005 Nissan Frontier
4dr King Cab SE 4WD SB (4.0L 6cyl 6M)
MSRP: $21,200
Private Party: $19,075 (-2125)
Trade-in: $16,375 (-4825)
2005 Toyota Tacoma
4dr Access Cab V6 4WD SB (4.0L 6cyl 6M)
MSRP: $22,245
Private Party: $21,420 (-825)
Trade-in: $18,775 (-3470)
*** MSRP from Edmunds.com, Base models, Same Configuration
*** PP and Trade-in value from KBB.com, base model packages (Air Conditioning, Power Steering, Tilt Wheel, AM/FM Stereo, Single Compact Disc, Dual Front Air Bags, ABS (4-Wheel))
*** I added a few added extras on both (premium wheels, bed mat, running boards)
*** Both KBB values with 11,200 miles and in excellent condition
So all things figured, at the end of the day, if one wished to trade or resell after only one year (go figure) I would still be better off having purchased the Fronty. Besides, I would invest the 3 grand in a non-depreciating investment and be even better off!
Furthermore, a one year old used vehicle (to me) is worth approx. 80% of its original price. I don't care what vehicle it is. I don't know how it's been used (or abused). That is why I buy new and hang on to them for years. I know that Toyota vehicles generally depreciate at a slower rate than some, but I don't think that is necessarily appropriate. I certainly do not buy into it.
You believe in your figures, I'll believe in mine.
I was just giving my take on it. I did read your post, the figures (from my perspective) look unrealistic. That's all. Toys are more popular, and it's what the market will bear for pricing. I would have to pay more up front for a Tacoma, I would hope to retrieve some of it on the other end.
p.s. See ya' in the funny papers.
Actually I paid about $2500 under MSRP. They took a '91 BMW with a blown head gasket as a trade-in for $3000. Gotta love those push, pull or drag sales. The car was worth nothing, I think they got $300 for it in an auction.
I think you are all missing my point. I simply priced out two trucks with the same exact options then found out what type of depreciation each was getting. No matter what the options are or what you paid up front the depreciation value is still the same percentage.
Trade-in value: Nissan worked out to be approx. (-23%) and Toyota came out to be about (-16%).
Do you the rest of the math yourself. I know that I personally paid $200 more than what the truck is worth currently as a trade-in.
I've said my piece. See you next year to compare numbers. Cheers!
P.S. I love you centralcal.