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Toyota Tacoma vs Nissan Frontier
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Let's see your math.
And it should look something like this:
My Truck in "Excellent" condition:
Engine: V6 4.0 Liter
Transmission: 6 Speed Manual
Drivetrain: 4WD
Mileage: 11,200
Selected Standard Equipment:
Air Conditioning
Power Steering
Tilt Wheel
AM/FM Stereo
Single Compact Disc
Dual Front Air Bags
ABS (4-Wheel)
Selected Optional Equipment:
Running Boards
Bed Liner
Premium Wheels
I paid = $20,500 before Tax, Title and License
Trade-in = $18,775
Private Party = $21,420
Retail = $24,160
You're getting closer to your purchasing date! Bet you're gettin' anxious.
The MSRP on the exact truck I bought was $23,125. They took my sister's broken down BMW for $2,625. That puts me at $20,500 (you still following?). I was then able to sell my '93 BMW privately for $2700. I bought some Ivan Stewart TRD wheels, Westin Side Steps and a Toyota Bed Mat, ~$1200.
MSRP: $23,125
Trade-in: -$2,625
Paid: $20,500 before TTL
Sold Car: -$2700
Accessories: $1200
Total cost to me before TTL and financing: $19,000
Trade-in value, 11,200 miles later: $18,775
The look on your face after you see the resale value for your "street queen": Priceless :surprise:
Granted, even though my truck is technically in "excellent" condition, no dealer will ever give you this value.
Like I said you can insult me all you want but until you put up.... well you know.
"LE CC 4x4 Storm Grey/Grey Leather with Traction, XM radio, fosgate stereo, ABLS, sunroof, sliding bed extender, microfilter, floor mats, side airbag, destination charge: Invoice just under $30,000 (it was all the factory options except the tow hitch). I would say I got it for $400 over invoice, but that is because they gave me more than my car was worth. Actual price was $31000, but they paid me at least $600 more than Kbb for my car. I also got the extended warranty. They said it retailed for $1800, I bought it for $1000."
Haha, extended warranty. Like you said, "sucker born every day"!
You paid (according to you): $30,400
I put all your little goodies into kbb.com just like I did and here's what I got. Hmmmm.....
Trade-in: $20,850
Private Party: $24,005
Retail: $27,315
I'll put your pride in a doggy bag for you. Good job paying invoice though. Thanks for the laugh. Screw you guys I'm a goin' home!
Toyota has certainly marketed themselves well! If you paid just $200 more for a new truck that is now a trade-in one year later, who has or will be taken? I'm sure it wasn't Toyota.
That is my point.
This post made my day. That doesn't sound like a good deal at all. I am glad you are enjoying your truck, though.
Anyway, I paid 22,300 for a KC SE 6-spd with ABLS, floor mats, power package, bed liner. I think "sticker" was 2500 or 3000 more, but it has been a while.
Someone certainly must have gotten a better deal, but I don't think that is too bad. I purchased it last Feb, I think.
I dig my truck. Tacomas are nice too, but I prefer the new Frontier for the $.
Trade-in value of current vehicle - $18775
Depreciation - $5550 (approx. 23%)
Retained value - 77% ( average)
* trade-in vehicle and sold vehicle are considered assets.
I test drove Tacoma first because, as a 2-time Toyota truck owner, I was biased towards getting the '05 Tacoma. Immediately, I disliked the too-soft suspension, the ultralight, vague steering response, and the surprisingly loud wind noise. It was louder than my old truck even though the '05 has a more heavily-insulated cab. The final straw was that the transfer case just did not want to shift between 4Hi and 4Lo at all, in either direction. Even shutting the engine off "to reboot the computer" as the salesman recommended, going back and forth between 1st and Reverse, etc. did not help. And forget about the plastic inner bed and tracks/cleats, no thanks.
With the Frontier, my reaction was exactly the opposite: everything worked perfectly and it was great fun to drive. Now, at almost 14,000 miles and almost a year after buying, I have no regrets about my choice.
If the Frontier depreciates more proportionately (which it might not), I don't care. I keep my trucks longer than most people, anyway, so I buy it for ME, not for what a future buyer might want out of the truck.
Some of you guys who are obsessed with resale value would do better to "invest" in something other than a motor vehicle for that purpose.
It is good to hear of yet another satisfied Nissan owner - my family owns three now - and mine will be our fourth.
Cheers!
By the way, Toyo sales says no rebate on Taco, but I thought Edmunds says $400?
Any way more shopping to do, as long the little lady says OK to get a new truck :confuse:
Surf Fish'in Critter!
if your a bargain hunter, now is the time to grab an '05.
the tag on mine was 31k, but i only paid $25,600
My wife has that problem with my truck too, so I bought her an AWD. That switch can be confusing.
The fact I reported is that the Tacoma's dial did not want to work despite many attempts, and the Frontier's worked perfectly, first try. No insinuations about females necessary.
If you are smitten with your Tacoma, it's OK to just say that.
Why?,the 07 Frontier and Titan are expected to remain nearly unchanged for 07.
But I don't like the look of ridgeline at all. I am also looking at Titan (due to $2250 rebate on crew-cab) but will probably still settle eith Tacoma. It fits my need on a truck better.
This is not to say the the Tacoma is better than the frontier, just stating my opinion that NO Toyota truck has ever had the severe problems seen in the Titan (ie, burnt up rearends and brake problems). For the record, I like the Titans ALOT.
But I don't like the look of ridgeline at all. I am also looking at Titan (due to $2250 rebate on crew-cab) but will probably still settle eith Tacoma. It fits my need on a truck better."
"This is not to say the the Tacoma is better than the frontier, just stating my opinion that NO Toyota truck has ever had the severe problems seen in the Titan (ie, burnt up rearends and brake problems). For the record, I like the Titans ALOT."
A good friend had one of the first Titans with brake problems, etc. Despite the problems he ended up getting a new Titan anyway, i.e., for him the good outweighed the bad.
It's interesting that the Frontier is built on a modified Titan platform (as is Xterra, Pathfinder, Armada), but Titan seems to have the worst reputation. For the record, my 05 Frontier NISMO CC with 24,000 miles has been one of the most reliable vehicles I have ever owned.
Tacoma was my first choice when I started shopping 05's back in late 04, but all four Tacomas I test drove had quality / mechanical problems, such as leaking manifolds and 4wd engagement problems. Those were early production models, so maybe by now some of those bugs are out.
Aside from that, I didn't care for Tacoma's premium fuel recommendation, difficult to fold back seat, and lo-hanging exhaust for off-roading.
Frontier is not perfect either. It's biggest problem is the left-outside mirror will not position far enough to the left to eliminate the blind-spot caused by the B-pillar. Also, the front of the rear fenders get terrible road-rash from the front tires despite having factory mud-flaps.
I guess the point is none are perfect, and some have better strengths and weaknesses in certain areas than others. Take it all with a grain of salt and choose what seems best for you. Happy shopping and good luck.
I cannot believe that Nissan would be slacking in any way,shape,or form, but I do believe that Toyota may
be living it up a tad on their reputation. That, as you know, can go a long way.
I am not convinced that Toyota put their best efforts into the Tacoma and I believe that Nissan did with the new Frontier. The new Tacoma is an improvement over the old, but the new Frontier in comparison to the outgoing is light years ahead.
My humble opinion.
The Tacoma in my opinion still has a lot of bugs that need to be fixed.. So The Frontier is the better pick in this category. The only thing holding it back is resale value. Most nissans depreciate quicker then Honda and Toyota. This Year the Tacoma got Kelly blue books best compact truck. The tacoma has been on that list for a while, maybe next year the Frontier might take away that spot or the Ridgeline.
The fact I reported is that the Tacoma's dial did not want to work despite many attempts, and the Frontier's worked perfectly, first try. No insinuations about females necessary.
If you are smitten with your Tacoma, it's OK to just say that.
The fact is that there is not a problem with the trucks shifting. There is a problem with people that don't know how to do it. I tried to shift between high and low several times with very little success until I figured out that you need to put the clutch ALL THE WAY to the floor before switching. Then it worked every time. Read the directions and you too will have success if you even own or have driven a Toyota.
"I don't know what the actual stats are on the Titan, but I'm sure that Nissan will remedy any shortcomings. "
Response: That was assumed when the problems began on 04 models, however, they persist on present 06 versions as well. ??
The 05 Tacomas I personally had 4x4 problems with, as well as the problems reported by various magazines and websites, were automatics. In my case the vehicles went to the service department for repair and I went and bought a Frontier.
Theres more then Two times the amount of Tacomas on the road then Frontiers so that might explain the amount of complaints vs. the fronty.
As far as depreciation goes, it matters not to me. Again, these vehicles are within a few percentage points of each other and it's all figured into the overall price of ownership (a non-appreciative investment). Furthermore, the average automobile is not going to cost an arm or a leg.
Acura 116 per 100 & honda 112 per 100, toyota 105 per 100..
Lexus has the least problems with 81 per 100.
Lexus has been on top of that list for more then 10 years.
a little reflects a lot considering theres hundred thousands - million vehicles produced by some of these car manufacturers each year.
The gap is closing and we're all winners.
" The study, which measures problems experienced by original owners of 3-year-old (2002 model-year) vehicles, provides useful information to both consumers and the automotive industry on long-term vehicle quality. For consumers, the VDS offers insight into the reliability and dependability of brands and specific models as they approach the end of a typical warranty period. Manufacturers use this information to track the quality performance of their models over time to implement product improvement plans."
i value your opinion but The initial Quality is very helpful to all car manufacturers... I wouldnt call these ratings Bogus since This is a bench mark for car manufacturers.. All car manufacturers rely on JD power & associates ratings to compare their vehicles reliability and quality vs. the competition...