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Sorry to disappoint you buddy but i have a great gf.
Still raining.
Thanks for the kind words. Now what do we talk about? PF Flyer will throw us off if we continue with this "Casablanca" knockoff.
All I know right now is my truck is very dirty and I am supposed to get the bedrug installed today. It will make my truck look complete. I also found some kind of cargo thing on one of the websites. Like a pet gate for the bed. Only this one is to hold groceries, etc. Looks like it would work better than those shower curtain rods that go across the back. They are worthless.
I haven't tried those pieces of wood that apparently fit perfectly. 6X2's or something like that from the lumber yard. Too ugly.
This is good. My truck is kind of like my house. I want it to be just right. With a bedrug, I can run away if I want to and sleep in the back. You can probably pull over in some parking lot and nobody would ever know you were there sleeping. A Gypsy life for me.
Here's a topic for all: truck caps, hard/soft tonnau (sp?) covers, tool boxes, or nothing? What do you have and what brands?
On my last truck, I had a Glasstite cap that was very good, but a pain to take off and put on if I had to haul something big. I basically got it for the dogs to travel in the winter - and to lock stuff in the bed.
Do most buy Toyota truck accessories or go aftermarket?
Bug: I am not interested in the Tundra in its current form. Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking the truck, I just wanted a full size crew, which they don't currently make.
-Eric
I drove a 1500 LT a while ago and was generally pleased. While more powerful, it lacked the smoothness of the Toyota engine, and torque was more noticable in the Tundra. I also give Tundra the egde in interior parts quality and ergos. I'll have to drive them back-to-back again soon.
As for the interior volume question, as many have pointed out, the Tundra's size makes it more drivable in everyday situation. For most of us that means an urban setting.
Actually, comparing similarly equiped F-150s and Tundras the Tundra was actually cheaper. So much for the "imports are more expensive theory."
Yes, but if you can get Lexus smooth driving in a truck (and you can with the Tundra) then why would you choose the less refined Chevy?
Nothing bad intended but I did have 3 VR6 GTI's and a Jetta GLX. GTI's were 96,97, and 98 models while the GLX wad a '99. they were all warrenties lemon law for the electrical system failure. VW's suck(New ones for that matter) I'll keep my '87 16V for rainy days. Other then that find Me a Corrado SLC VR6 anyday! My advise get rid of that thing. Check out http://www.myvwlemon.com and http://www.vwvortex.com
Info that can help you.
So you do not own a Tundra. Please tell me what was the title of this thread? "Toyota Tundra OWNERS: RATE Your Truck!" So why in the hell are you posting here. I am glad you have a Silverado. Now go and post in the Silverado threads; there are plenty of them.
"First what bothered me was the interior space. I had none compared to the Silverdo."
First the difference is not that huge up front. Let us look at some numbers
------------Rado------Tundra
Fr Headroom-41in.-----40.3in.
Fr Legroom--41.3in.---41.5in.
Fr Shoulder-65.2in.---62.4in.
Fr Hiproom--61.4in.---59.3in.
The Tundra is close to the Rado up front. what the tundra lacks is rear room. We all know that already.
"Second, the price. Why would I pay 28K for a base 2wd v8 Tundra when I can get a LT Z71 for that much??"
Where do you live? On the moon!!! I got my 4x2 Tundra with options for 25,700 OUT THE DOOR. That is with taxes and fees included. Please do not go quoting MSRP. Go price a Tundra and a similar Rado and you will find that the Rado is MORE expensive. I have done it many times. The Tundra is cheaper than comparably equipped Rados and F150s.
"Third safety."
Don't make me laugh. Did you see what ratings the Rado got in the IIHS test. Here take a look:
This is for the Tundra:
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/0108.htm
This is for the Rado:
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/0107.htm
As you can see ONLY the Tundra got a GOOD crash rating. The Rado was MARGINAL.
"The Silverado T-Boned the Tundra. The Silverado was not an EXT cab, the Tundra was! The Toyota was totaled while the Silverado had front end damage. Keep in mind this was a 30-35 mph T-bone crash."
Did you see a Rado getting T-bonned by a Tundra? Not likely. So how do you know how the Rado will do in a similar situation. The IIHS reapted the same test on all the trucks.
"I mean it's funny all u Tundra owners think u can beat A silverado off the line. Look at the HP ratings! And yes I do have the 4.8."
Have you heard of the term HP/weight ratio. The Rado is heavier than the Tundra. So let us look at a 4.8 Rado 4x2 and a Tundra 4x2 and compare. The Tundra weighs 4133 lbs and the Rado weighs 4534 lbs. The Rado has 270hp and the Tundra 245. So the hp/weight rating for the tundra is 16.87 and the Rado is 16.79. Sounds very close to me. so here again the empirical data shows that you are wrong.
What about torque. The Tundra has 315 lb-ft and the Rado 4.8 has 285. So the torque/weight rating is 13.12 for the Tundra and 15.9 for the Rado.
Do you still thikn that your 4.8 can beat the Tundra?? The Rado 5.3 will beat the Tundra, but not the 4.8.
'01 F250 4x4 22,500
'01 F350 4x4 23,500
'01 Tundra 4x2 26,500
'01 Tundra 4x4 28,500
'01 Rado 1500 4x4 22,500
'02 Rado 1500 4x4 24,500
Now you tell which one's cheaper?? And there is no tax. Just the fees which amount to $300.
As for driving a pickup on a daily commute, the '97 F-150 I traded for my Tundra was a nice truck (sans the engine problems and hardware failures), but the Tundra is a flat-out nicer ride. I've driven the new Chevy, it was a nice truck but I always felt like the turn signal lever was going to break off when ever I used it (this goes for pretty much every lever or button).
Finally, my SR5 4X4 TRD V8 ext.cab (26K)was less than a comparable Ford or Chevy
Did you see a Rado getting T-bonned by a Tundra? Not likely. So how do you know how the Rado will do in a similar situation. The IIHS reapted the same test on all the trucks."
Gotta love that. The guy doesn't like what you saw so what's his comeback? He calls you a liar! Fact is, the passenger injuries for the Tundra in the crash article he posted were more severe than the Silverado's passenger injuries. Hope you don't need the use of your leg because it's gonna be crushed if you get into a similar wreck in the Tundra. Judging by the test results you'll walk away from the same wreck in the GM. Which truck is safer??
Several months ago, someone else posted an article in the Tundra vs. Big3 thread that compared the three fullsize trucks (GM, Dodge and Ford) and the Tundra in a 5 mph crash. A fender-bender, if you will. The GM not only had a less expensive repair bill than the Tundra, but the Tundra could not be driven after the crash! Sorry I can't find the link and don't remember if it was a frontal or rear crash test. And Toyota is supposed to have "superior build quality"!!
Sorry for posting in the sacred "Tundra Forum", but I can't stand blatant misinformation.
I wish people would do research before speaking. And read what I have posted before hand. It's stupid to comment on things that I have said if you haven't read fully.
BTW-I checked and a comparably equiped silverado costs exactly $27,581 MSRP. This is equiped exactly as my Tundra for which the MSRP was $26,300. Last time I checked 27 was greater than 26. All I gave the rado was tinted glass, bucket seats, a CD player, aluminum wheels and I even deleted the 5.3L engine for the 4.8L engine. I have all these options on my Tundra for less than the chevy.
ak-if you're so concerned about crash safety why didn't you buy the Ford F350 power stroke? It's one of the biggest heaviest trucks made, wouldn't that be even safer than your silverado? Also, vehicles react differently to front impact and side impact crashes. You cannot compare the damage to the front of a vehicle with the damage to the side of another. It's like comparing apples to oranges.
One minute you're going on about how trucks are suppose to be trucks and sound like trucks and the such and then the next you're talking about horsepower. Well, anyone who knows anything about trucks, and the "real" purposes of trucks, knows that it is the torque that really matters. Your 4.8 liter has quite a bit less than the (my)Tundra.
And you're going about "real world" data. If you're any kind of engineer like you claim you least of all should know that you don't base an opinion on how safe a truck is by the result of one accident. That's just silly. How many factors come into play in an accident? I know one thing, unless I'm driving an armored truck, any vehicle that hits me side on is going to do some serious damage.
That's why we follow tests. They put vehicles of the same class to exactly the same set of tests. By looking at the pictures which truck looks like you are more than likely to walk away from? After everything is considered which truck would you want to be in? You're only lying to yourself if you say what I think you're going to say. The trucks are all travelling at the same speed. They are all hitting the same barrier. It really doesn't take a genius, or in your case an engineer, to figure this out...
One more thing. I really don't know what you're expecting by posting here. Why wouldn't people be defensive? This is a Tundra thread and you must realize that by even coming in here and starting to "bash" (call it what you will it is bashing)you are looking to argue.
Case close.
1. Made in America by Americans
2. Smooth
3. Quiet
4. Tractor-like Torque at low rpm
5. Very nice interior
6. Reliable
7. Handles excellently
8. Attracts good looking females
9. Safest 1/2 ton truck made
Are prices different up in Alaska compared to the prices on Edmunds??? I could see added destination and delivery, but wouldn't that be across the board???
Just so I'm clear, are you saying the 4.8 GM will out perform the 4.7toy???
You need a Tundra to do that?....OMFG...
Makes for a lonely existance...........
GOOD LUCK ON THIS ONE NOW!!!
Of course, it is silly for another unfortunate Shakerado owner to be posting here, but that is another matter. And I used to admire you for staying out of Tundra topics. Oh Well!
I was just quoting what ndahi12 posted to you ("Did you see a Rado getting T-bonned by a Tundra? Not likely. So how do you know how the Rado will do in a similar situation. The IIHS reapted the same test on all the trucks."). I have no reason to doubt your statements. As far as I can tell, the links to the test results indicate that the Tundra is more likely to injure the driver than the GM. Seems pretty simple to me. And I didn't even need an engineering degree to figure that out.
When you do crash testing you must do the same tests on all vehicle. I am not doubting what happened to the Tundra. I believe him. But I do not believe that the Rado would have fared any better if it was T-boned by a Tundra.
What also needs to be done is ram the tundra and the Rado on their sides at a constant velocity of say 40mph. Then you can tell which one is safer.
The side area of a turck is one of the weakest and the front area is one of the strongest. So when the front of the Rado rammed the side of the Tundra what are you expecting to see? Of course you will see more damage to the Tundra.
Why are you all getting your panties in a knot? I know why. Despite the Tundra's "faults," you realize it's just a matter of time before Toyota takes over the full size truck market. It's the beginning of the end. You all remind of the idiots a few decades ago who cried exactly the same way when the imports began competing in the compact and family sedan markets. Now look - today, the Camry is the #1 selling car in America and the Corolla is the #2 selling car in the world!
Now it won't be long before Toyota trucks take over as well! Boo-hoo!
Oh, and maybe that stupid Shakerado t-boned that Tundra because it's famed 4 wheel disk brakes couldn't stop worth a damn, just like Edmunds' long-term Shakerado test truck.
Hmm, brakes that don't work, and a passenger cabin that crushes like styrofoam...wow, talk about safety!
The only price advantage Chevy offers is gas trucks that knock like diesels but for thousands less! Gotta love those knocking engines...but I'll give credit where credit is due. At least Chevy was smart enough to realize that when it comes to offering a TRUE diesel (not an engine that just knocks like one), they knew they were over their head and used an Isuzu engine instead. Then they turned to Allison for a transmission.
I guess Chevy isn't up to the task of heavy duty engines and transmissions and has to contract them out!
While I think that the Tundra's results are impressive, the Silverado's injury prevention results are equally impressive. Do you agree? Based on the results of that test I don't see how you could really say the Tundra is safer than the GM 1500.
Let's do ourselves a favor and not find out through firsthand experience which is safer!! I'd much rather get my info from these test results than from your or my personal experience!
Hey, I personally wouldn't want to go over 40mph in a truck that doesn't stop right, though, so I guess you have a point...
To me, it seems obvious that a truck rated "good"(Tundra) is better than a truck rated "marginal"(Shakerado). Perhaps you should get a dictionary and look up the definition of these two words.
GOOD LUCK ON THIS ONE!!!
Second, I agree that you are looking to argue. Why did you even bring up VWs in this forum? You looked at my profile and found out my name and that I drive a VW. Your comment are useless, STEVE. BTW, I have only high praise for my '00 VW Jetta GLS 1.8T - 19K miles and no problems at all.
Lastly, let's talk about trucks again. I don't own a Tundra, but am shopping for one. I haven't rules out Silverado entirely either - I need to test drive them both again, but back-to-back this time, but so far my impressions favor Tundra.
As for crashes, you all are making too much out of this. If you're in a full sized truck, chances are any accident you may be in will involve a smaller, lighter vehicle, and you'll do better. The forces and angles in accidents are always different so take all these crash tests as indicators, but not predictors. I've survived a 60 mph rollover without a scratch, and then seen people dead from a 25 mph crash. So regarless of cockpit deformation or crash test dummy injuries, you really never know. I'd feel safe in any truck.
You've been talking too much about price. What's a few thousand dollars either way in the long run? After 6-10 years of driving, which truck will cost less to operate? My other car is a Toyota Sienna, and outside of routine maintenance, has cost me exactly $0 in repairs after 53K miles. I'd expect similar results from a Tundra, but not a Rado. There are plenty of "indicators" out there saying that Toyota bests GM in quality and reliability. And I like very much the fact that Tundras are made in Indiana!!
And as a matter of fact, the tests I was talking about were the same Insurance Institute tests that have not only been blasted across the internet but the same ones that were prominently displayed on NBC Dateline.
Here's a better link from an "independant" source.
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/news/iihs_crash_results.html
Just for your own information...
BTW-Someone pointed out above that you would need to crash a Tundra into a rado to do a comparison. Not true, you would need to crash an identical truck (rado) into an extended cab/shortbed rado to make an accurate comparison. You cannot draw ANY conclusions about which truck would be safer in that situation unless you crash a similar sized truck in exactly the same way.
My step-Dad once rolled an old old Saab (96 I think) he used to have on an icy road. Tow truck came, flipped the car over, pulled it out of the ditch and he drove it home. Try doing that with any modern car.
I guess by your logic we should all be driving Saab 96s?
The only thing I added was an alarm (with keyless entry) and an under the rail bed liner. I would recommend the spray in liners though. Much better in my opinion.
I've been thinking about buying a cap and nerf bars but can't right now. Baby on the way and I'm out of work right now so money is tight.
the tundra doesnt come with a keyless entry?
One annoying thing - the default is for the system to lock your doors when you start the truck and unlock them when you shut it off. You had to wait a second or two after shutting off the truck for the doors to unlock or you would have to do it manually. Very annoying.
I was able to disable this "feature" by following a procedure in the manual. You had to follow a procedure such as: open the door, press alarm, close the door, open it again and then cycle the ignition on and off 6 times in 30 seconds. (I'm not sure if I am remembering this correctly, but I had to try several times before I sucessfully got it turned off.)