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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    The awesome Lancia Stratos, behind it perhaps a Fiat-Abarth Zagato and a Ferrari 250 TDF. I wonder why they're all blue?

    BTW- I think the Stratos is quite good-looking in an unconventional way.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    It looks better in "real life" than in photos and it looks really good when its airborne!

    It was an awesome car in its day---not much known or seen in America, but a real competitor with the victories to prove it.
  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Behind the Stratos, a lighter blue Abarth of some description, then a darker blue Ferrari 275GTB.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Speaking of Abarth, can you guess which platform this one is built on?

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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    :) Gee, looks kinda familiar. . .

    How about Fiat 500, just for kicks?
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    a darker blue Ferrari 275GTB.

    The windshield is too upright for a 275, I think that's a 250 TDF>

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    Note the differences in the angle of the windshield

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Andys120, the second picture isn't a stock 275GTB, so it's hard to tell. It has a nose more like that of the 250GTO, though you are correct that the 275GTB does have a sharply raked windshield.

    But Ferrari bodies, especially in the '50s and '60s, tended to vary quite a lot within any given model. The blue car may well be some variation on the 250SWB. For comparison here's a side view of the "normal" 275GTB:

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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    And that blue car is the '69 Ford Torino Talladega.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Bingo, that's it!

    This one's harder. It's a Fiat 500 underneath all that, but it's not Abarth---rather another Italian coachbuilder usually associated with more elegant cars.

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    Small hint in the grille :P ---but not bad for 1948 huh?
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,335
    zagato

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    It has a nose more like that of the 250GTO, though you are correct that the 275GTB does have a sharply raked windshield.

    Yup, it's quite true that there were a lot of variances in Ferrari bodywork and the GTO
    nose on that 275 was atypical, as a matter of fact there were a lot of different noses fitted to the 275 series.

    I'm convinced that the blue car is a 250 TDF not only because of the windshield but also you can see the slender tailfin typical of the TDF (Tour de France) versions which were long-wheelbase cars only distantly related to the 250SWB.

    Follow this link for a good photo of a Ferrari 250 TDF with the same bodywork (open headlights were more typical).

    The Tour de France version was named for an auto race that Ferrari won, not the more well-known bike race.

    BTW- yes, that was Petty's '69 Torino Cobra

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,674
    Not so obscure, but who has the right name? I haven't seen many of these...

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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    1956 Fairlane Fordor Victoria.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,674
    That's it. A Victoria, Fordor, 1956. Can't recall I've seen another one at any cruise ins.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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    It's not hard to tell when this was taken but I don't know where. It's weird that every identifiable car is a GM make from within a three or four year span. They weren't that dominant!

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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    32,111 built.
  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Well, the first car on the left (dark green) appears to me to be an Oldsmobile. I'll leave it to those with better vision and/or better screen resolution to take charge of the rest! And I'll trust you on the 250 TDF.
  • imt63imt63 Member Posts: 1
    On the far right edge...Isn't that a Studebaker behind a Buick, which is behind a '54 Chevy? Can't make out the other car.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    On the far right edge...Isn't that a Studebaker behind a Buick, which is behind a '54 Chevy?

    Are we lookin' at the same picture? I don't see any Studes. The gray sedan behind the black over white 2-door could be a '53-'54 Chevy but the side trim suggests an Olds to me. I don't see anything else resembling a '54 Chevy. :confuse:

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  • wgraferwgrafer Member Posts: 592
    The green one on left looks like a '49 Oldsmobile. On the right, the last black one looks like a '52 Buick Roadmaster with a 2-tone '51 Buick Special in front of it followed by a gray '51 Oldsmobile. I cannot see the 2-tone hardtop in front of the Olds clearly - likely is '51 Chevy. And no, I cannot id the Trolley Car....
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,674
    On the right, the black over white could be a Chevy 53 or 54. But to my eye the taillights aren't high up enough on the back facade. Is it a Pontiac 51 or 52? Could this be a car that's not a GM?

    The gray car is an Olds, 51 or 52.

    Then the Buick is a 51 with a Buick 52 at the far right of the picture.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    How do they spell it, Cinque-cento, IIRC?

    Five Hundred makes me think Ford.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669

    Five Hundred makes me think Ford.

    There were probably five times as many Fiat 500s as Ford Galaxie 500s.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm young enough that I was thinking Ford Five Hundred, now Taurus.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    sì sì quello è corretto---it sounds better in Italian, doesn't it? I think Fiat owned the term "500" before Ford did, as a model designation.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sure does sound better.

    I speak Portuguese and can often understand Italian, at least parts of it.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    On the right, the black over white could be a Chevy 53 or 54. But to my eye the taillights aren't high up enough on the back facade. Is it a Pontiac 51 or 52? Could this be a car that's not a GM?

    The gray car is an Olds, 51 or 52.

    Then the Buick is a 51 with a Buick 52 at the far right of the picture.

    Oh I'm certain the black over white car is not a '53-'54 Chevy, it's too rounded. It's either a Chevy or Pontiac from the '49-'52 generation.

    We're agreed on the green '49 Olds (it could be a '50 or '51) and the Buicks. Any ideas where this was taken , California?

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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    There were probably five times as many Fiat 500s as Ford Galaxie 500s.

    Yes, but what does that add up to in tonnage?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I think 6 Fiat 500s could gang up on one Ford Galaxie 500 and bring it down. :P
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    I really wanna say Fairlady ... but its not quite right. No hood scoop, for one.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    It may be Japanese but that's Italian styling, probably Pininfarina.

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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Daihatsu Compagno?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Bingo stephen! In those days, the term 'sports" for the Japanese did not mean sports car, but rather more like "sedan with an open top". This car would be more in the spirit of say a Triumph Herald rather than a Triumph TR3.

    Here's another "sports' car from a Japanese manufacturer that is well-known. Interesting features include an air cooled engine and a targa roof! This is not a one-off. They made over 3,000 of them. The nose will remind you of a more famous sports car from the same maker, but the model is rarely seen in America.

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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    I think that's a Toyota Sports 800.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Around 10 years (and a size difference) between each of these designs

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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    OK, I'll take a shot:

    1951 Buick Roadmaster.
    1961 Mercedes-Benz 220S (fintail)
    1970 Jaguar XJ6
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,674
    I'm curious about the yellow on the Roadmaster. Is that a common color from those years?

    I saw a Cadillac at a 400 car rolling 50s cruise Sunday and I thought it was too bright to be from the era, which I guessed at '51 also. I don't know the year yet but is this the "wrong" color?

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    I'm curious about the yellow on the Roadmaster. Is that a common color from those years?

    Pale yellows and pastel yellows were not uncommon from the late 40s to the late 60s.

    During the 70s bolder, more assertive yellows took their place then pretty much disappeared until recent years.

    Yellows never were "common" but they were around except during the 80s and 90s. The ca. '49 Caddy shown is probably not a factory color, it strikes me as too bold for that era.

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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Argh--my eyes!

    That Caddy looks to me to be "Corvette Yellow"--a popular, almost mustardy shade for modders back in the '70s. I'm with you--it doesn't look right, with stock ride height, wide whitewalls, and stock wheels.

    It's terrific on a chopped and channeled '34 Ford, though.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Here's a 1949-50 Cadillac paint chart. I see two yellowish colors on there..."Chartreuse" and "Fiesta Ivory". Both look kinda washed out and pale though, and the ivory looks a bit more beige-ish.

    For 1951 it looks like subdued greens and blues were the fashion of the day. That "Fiesta Ivory" was carried over though, although they were too cheap to actually show it, instead putting on the note that said "refer to 1949/50 chart".
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I'm going to test you with something harder....

    What's interesting about this car is that the name of it represents a famous rugby player, and the model designation is the initials of the name of a famous F1 driver killed in a GP in the late 60s---the car's model designation was a tribute to him.

    Hints: The car is French, low production of about 100 vehicles, from 1971 to 1977. The company made other cars, too, mostly microcars.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    I think the Buick is a 49, it's one of the early 2 door HT models. Fintails hit the road late in 59, and I think the XJ6 was around in 68-69. Both the fintail and early XJ went several years with only the most minor changes.

    The Buick is a pastel yellow that might not translate well in the dark pic, but I believe it is period correct. I am sure that yellow Caddy isn't correct. Now that I look at it, the colors of the cars pretty much match their time periods too - the pastel Buick, the sky blue MB, and the kind of grey with maybe a little gold Jag.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    The car is a Ligier JS1 - I think Ligier was a French Rugby international in the early sixties,but the JS bit is more difficult.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,674
    >"Fiesta Ivory".

    I remember seeing Cadillacs or Buicks in that Fiesta Ivory color. I don't remember anything like the yellow on this one. The yellow had a lot of pumpkin tone in the lower light levels that didn't show in the picture; in bright light it was strong yellow.

    I love seeing cars in original colors equipped the way they were originally. I wondered if the strong yellow was just not purchased in my Midwest area where things were more conservative even then.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    The only 'JS' I could find is Jo Stiffert, in '71.
    morbid, but useful
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Close--Jo Schlesser, killed in the 1968 French GP.

    Yes it's a JS, but a JS2 is the normal designation. It has the same V-6 engine as the Citroen SM, of all things, so it probably moved along nicely. Not a bad looking car actually.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Intersting site but they spelled Jo Siffert's name wrong (which you picked up)

    Siffert was a Swiss F1 and sports car driver in the 60s and early 70s.

    Frenchman Guy Ligier was good friends with Jo Schlesser, who died in a Honda F1 and once ran in the Daytona 500.

    Wikipedia: Jo Schlesser

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  • jlbljlbl Member Posts: 1,333
    Interesting site but they spelled Jo Siffert's name wrong

    They also spelled Alfonso de Portago's name wrong (de Portage, they did). May be others too, though I have not checked everyone.

    Regards,
    Jose
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