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War of the Compacts:Frontier, Ranger, Tacoma, S10, Dakota, B-Series, & Hombre - II
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People who bought a Toyota paid more money. They have a inate psychological need to justify their purchase to others and/or themselves. All of us do in some way or another. You can see yours by filling in the blank: "I bought my truck because _______"
Arguments then develop due to the means of their justification because they usually subjective and a lot of differing opinions exist.
If you bought a Ford, you can say that it is inexpensive. If you bought a Dodge, you can say that it's bigger and has a V8. If you bought a Nissan, you can say that you bought a low-priced import. If you bought an S10, you can say... well, Chevrolet makes the Vette. (Just kidding). If you bought a Mazda/Hombre, you can say that you purchased a cheaper version of the Ranger/S10 with better standard warranties.
The Taco's strength's (off-road ability and reliability) are impossible to quantify and involve many variables. Hence, the arguments (and these message boards).
Just my $.02
And YES the new ones are ugly.
You have blown my idiot-response meter.
Sorry...I didn't mean to spew false facts just that Toyota made a very similar vehicle to the FJ-40 so close that I thought it was.
For what's worth the Crocidile Hunter episode I saw last night on Animal Planet was driving a Nissan, but in his earlier episodes he had a Hi-Lux w/a flat bed.
I know this is certainly off topic(this will play right in the hands of the domestic truck owners)but, I was thinking how much would an American truck cost in one of these 'Third' world locations? Who would fix them? Maybe these are reasons that we don't see them out there...And if they(domestic vehicles) are so crappy why do so many end up in Mexico and S. America...against the knowledge of their owners(maybe just looks, huh?)
I did see a few domestics, though. The first Chevy dealer had just opened shop the prior year in San Jose (the only major city). I got the feeling they were more expensive than the Asian imports from talking with my guides. I saw a couple of Ford trucks. They were obviously well taken care of and looked to be driven by the more affluent members of society (saw one drive out of this really nice mansion). A Ford? Go fig. I guess if there aren't many of them they're unique...
Gooba, I work for the State Deparment in
Washington D.C. Toyo has many contracts with
National dignitaries and heads of state all over
the world. Ford and Chevy have contracts with
numerous local and federal police departments.
Sorry.
That was in response to my asking spoog to provide something to support his claim that the UN uses Toyotas mainly.
He has posted something but that does not have anything to do with the UN.I did look at the contracts at the UN and the majority of those were to Renault.There were some Toyota as well as others.
Gooba, I work for the State Deparment in
Washington D.C. Toyo has many contracts with
National dignitaries and heads of state all over
the world. Ford and Chevy have contracts with
numerous local and federal police departments.
Sorry.
That was in response to my asking spoog to provide something to support his claim that the UN uses Toyotas mainly.
He has posted something but that does not have anything to do with the UN.I did look at the contracts at the UN and the majority of those were to Renault.There were some Toyota as well as others.
But, I guess you sending me a check would be out of the question???
:^D
Lately, I've just ignored the bashing and moved on. There's pleanty of better stuff to talk about.
I've even stopped myself just before hitting the "Post" button and deleted my response.
I think that brand/vehicle bashing is either due to insecurity about their purchase or retaliation to some bash that they've taken personally.
:-D
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As for reliability, I generally get bored with any vehicle quickly and trade often. For $300, I'd bet that I've at least equaled the Taco's street performance. I only do some light off-roading, so off-road performance had little bearing. I'm in the snow a lot, and the Ranger handles it very well (most of this depends on tires, tho).
So, it came down to the Ranger, S10, and Tacoma in the end. The Nissan didn't have its V6 out yet (and I didn't want to wait a couple months or more). The Dakota's 3.9L V6 is terrible. I didn't want/need a V8 and extra costs. The Tacoma was almost 5,000 more and didn't personally offer me any more than the Ranger or S10. I ended up going Ranger after past experiences with GM and Ford. The Ranger also had a nicer cab (hey, it's what you look for at least 90% of the time the vehicle is in your eyesight).
So, the Ranger was the best truck for me. I don't regret my decision a bit.
I wouldn't hesitate a minute to head down to the Ford dealership for an AWD Lightning!
I've asked a couple of times about the supposed SVT Ranger (aka Adrenalin) down at the Ford dealership. They haven't heard anything yet. It's supposedly a Ranger with either a supercharged V6 (probably the SOHC 4L), a 4.6L V8 out of the Mustang GT, or the 3.9L V8 out of the Lincoln LS.
But, here's the kicker! It might be AWD, something similar to the Control Trac on the Explorer.
Now THAT, or that AWD Lightning, would be the perfect truck(s) for me!
Hey, maybe one of each! It's only money..hehehe
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I know some foreign companies do the same but it seems like domestic auto manufacturers take the idea of taking a vehicle and putiing multiple nameplates on them to the extreme. Does this really broaden the market enough to justify all the overhead of Mercury, Oldsmobile, Plymouth?
No low range tho.
Neither does the Rav 4.
if you plan to do any sort of moderate
off-roading...that Honda CRV and the Toyo Rav 4.\\
Totally. The Escape falls into this category as well. Car and Driver had a comparison test on this a year back, and the Rav4 fared right behind a Jeep Wrangler, but it's still not meant for offroading.
No low range, ect. But the rav4 does have decent clearance, more than a Ford Ranger.
The Toyota RAV4 is a car based mini-SUV, just like the CRV, and Escape/Tribute. All these are fine for light offroading, like rocky/bumpy logging roads and such. Although, the Escape/Tribute with a V6, will totally smoke any RAV4 or CRV in acceleration, skidpad, lateral acceleration you name it.. Ford/Mazda did their homework here, as much as the Ford haters wish they didn't. The Escape/Tribute will outsell the CRV RAV4 combined hands down in the coming years..
The only one I would truely offroad in would be the Nissan Xterra.
Spoog, a solid diff is better than an independent diff. I know you didn't know because you don't offroad, proof again. And I notice you don't mention how the Tundra got slammed by Edmunds in the full size truck comparison.
New engine, blah,blah blah. The RAV4 and Escape are kinda like the Ford Rangers of the Mini-ute world.
Even though I bash the Ranger(deservedly so), that new optional chrome stick whift with the 8 ball shifter is just COOL. Ford gets kudos on that one.
diff. I know you didn't know because you don't
offroad, proof again.
This is based on what? A fully indepndent suspension is by far the best off road.You get better traction throughout all kinds of terrain,by keeping all of the wheels on the ground.
The Tacoma/Tundra use IFS front ends the Cruiser uses a solid front end. Which is better? The L/C available here is not what Toy sells for "the extreme environments".There's L/C's for troop carriers for bush country, with diesels and equipment not available here. When's the last time you saw a Cruiser with a snorkel in a US Toyota showroom?
I will absolutely agree Ford or the big 3 do not cater to that "Arctic expedition crowd" but I don't think Toy does either with their US offerings.
But they are still the same basic design, and light years ahead of other US truck makers in offroad.
Now the Tundra, thats a different beast. It was developed primarily to be a light to medium duty truck with good highway manners. BLAH.
IF I WANT GOOD HIGHWAY MANNERS I WILL GET A FREAKING CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
DO TRUCK MAKERS UNDERSTAND THAT????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Sorry for the rant. But as the years pass, trucks get more and more dumbed down.
Give me a Toyota LAndcruiser with cloth seats, AC, cruise, sunroof, snorkel, Part time 4wd, roll up windows, and rubber floors.
I agree with you spoog about trucks and "highway manners." As an SUV owner, I'm really disappointed with the direction that SUV's are going. they're totally abandoning the truckiness of them and making them overly "luxury" oriented and highway oriented. I overheard a car dealer bragging about how the new pathfinders handle like Cadillacs. I don't want my truck to handle like a cadillac! yuck. this is probably the reason that I'm now shopping for a pickup instead of another SUV.
Everything down to larger brakes, 6 lug nut wheels, clutchstart cancel switch, gold plated starter plates, ect ect
The rest are just today's version of soccer mom minivans on steroids.
I just cringe and run away when I see a 5000lb vehicle being piloted at 90mph by someone (male or female) engulfed on a cell phone conversation.