War of the Compacts:Frontier, Ranger, Tacoma, S10, Dakota, B-Series, & Hombre - II

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  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    You guys are kidding right? Tell you what, go on down to your nearest 4x4 center and ask them. What I say doesn't matter anyway, I bet you every hardcore 4x4 person will pick a solid diff everytime over an indy diff. The indys are not strong enough (as much as spoog wants to think) to take the hard pounding and constant torque wrenching over time, along with they are expensive as hell to repair. Toyota switched first to an indy diff, Ford followed in 1998. There was quiet an uproar over this. Indys give you better onroad feel, what the majority of truck buyers wanted.. I agree that there may be more flex but at what cost? Can you say "snap". As I have said, go to your nearest 4x4 shop and ask for yourself. This is a huge debate, but mose avid 4x4 offroaders will take a solid front axle over an indy any day.
  • goobagooba Member Posts: 391
    If what you are saying is true,then why are the off road racers running independent suspension,as well as the military? I do not think you can get more hardcore then those 2,and they both went away from the solid axle.I do not see them changing back,do you?
  • mahimahimahimahi Member Posts: 497
    Well gooba,
    Those two you mentioned above have unlimited funds right :)? I tend to think that a solid is much 'tougher' than an independent. Too many 'joints' in an independent. How about all the 3/4 tons and 1 tons built by the Big 3...all solids. But I do think that they each do have their purposes. The independents are great for racing and light-duty such as the trucks sold in 1/2 ton capacities. Because they are lighter and offer a better ride. But for heavy-duty use maybe slower use over tough terrain with lots of power the solid is better. If you're referring to the Hummer in the military example think about what it might tow or is used for versus something like the deuce and a quarter(solid axle) and it does and might tow. Just my thoughts.
  • cncmancncman Member Posts: 487
    Well CT;
    I again say you have started a wave of posts in the new topic, maybe a new record? As long as we are talking about serious off roader SUV's in other countries, I have a little trivia for you guys, first correct response gets a ranger 4.0l torque curve courtesy of Vince! Remember the Nissan Jeep type SUV in the 60's? What was its name and who appeared in the ads for them? To give you a hint, this vehicle is still being produced overseas and is the choice for outback 4x4ing in australia. (Just a little semi-on topic break from stressing out)
  • goobagooba Member Posts: 391
    mahimahi,I agree that both has its use.I was just refuting the point that when the term hardcore off roader and better than is used that there is another example.In commercial applications on the heavier trucks the cost of putting an independent may be too high.
    On the military side the wheeled suspensions are going to independent on all wheels on all sizes of trucks.The solid ison the way out.True the Hummer is a heavier vehicle,but it is designed to traverse off road terrain at a medium speed and still offer a fairly stable platform.It has a tough suspension.In racing,you are right that they have the money to do the necessary things to beef up their suspensions.But,they do hold up at speed over terrain.
  • goobagooba Member Posts: 391
    I think mahimahi may have already named it,nut i believe you are referring to the Patrol.

    Here is a link to one of the early ones.

    http://www.4wdonline.com/Nissan/Patrol/1958.html

    I have no idea on the person who was in the commercial.I guess it would depend on which country we were talking about.
  • goobagooba Member Posts: 391
    I am going to say give.The only people in that era that I can find that was in a commercial was Ansel Adams and Mike Myers.
  • mahimahimahimahi Member Posts: 497
    No, no Gooba take the credit...I didn't name it. That's all you good job. Too bad you'll probably never get your prize :)
  • goobagooba Member Posts: 391
    Thanks,but I only get half,I do not think I got the actor right.
  • steve234steve234 Member Posts: 460
    I have dealt with both live axle and solid axle off-roading and would like to point out that each has their pros and cons. It depends on the application, a live axle is great in some applications, but they are not as rugged and are more maintenance intensive. For race teams, this is not a big deal. I have also seen live axles get knocked out of alignment that would have been shrugged off by a solid axle.
    As far as the soccer moms, the manufacturers sell image and the buying market wants the SUV look. The manufacturers are just meeting the market demand. Their big problem is trying to please all the buying, government and oversight groups at the same time. As far as the Escape or whatever not being a offroad thriller, it was not designed for that. If you look at it as a replacement for the station wagon of the 60s or the minvan of the 80s, it performs adequately. It has plenty of pep, can haul four people comfortably and can even haul a trailer under 3500 lbs.
  • dcrislerdcrisler Member Posts: 118
    Ok, now that I found this topic... can anyone give me at least a decent starting point in my quest to find the correct speedometer gear for my mazda?? The truck came with 225_20R14's and I changed them out for 15inch wheels with 10X31's... Mazda parts houses have been clueless.
  • dcrislerdcrisler Member Posts: 118
    I have 105k on my 94' B4000LE Cabplus, and it has been almost perfect. It just developed an AC problem, and has had an annoying clunk in the driveline since about 40k. Also I have never liked the steering... I think it is recirculating ball and it seems to take forevvvvver to turn a corner. I bought it to work out of and pull the boat and haul the riding mower... seems like it will easily go another 100k...
  • beatfarmerbeatfarmer Member Posts: 244
    I think when you are saying "live axle" you mean independant. Live axle and solid axle refer to the same thing.

    As for the debate, a solid axle is preferred if you are rock climbing, running the Rubicon, or just plain running through the rough stuff for a number of reasons. Independent suspensions works well for high speed races (Baha anyone?)

    1. The distance between the bottom of the diff and the ground is fixed by the height of the tires, i.e. you always know what it is. Swing arms allow that distance to vary and under full compression, the distance between the ground and the diff (or oil pan) can be dangerously small.
    2. You can get a tremendous amount of wheel travel and axle articulation with solid axles. Very important for boulder hopping.
    3. Solid axles are very strong. Less likely to bend or break under extreme duty. Swing arms can be very strong too, but at an extreme price.

    What makes a vehicle excel on road makes it weak off. What makes one excel off road, hurts on road performance.

    Just a couple of other observations. Unit body construction is more rigid that body on frame coonstruction. "Open air" diff? Never heard of one. Looked under a CR-V before and it's rear diff in in an aluminum housing. Looks like the ones Soob uses on it's rears.
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    I wonder why the Hummer has IFS then?
  • cncmancncman Member Posts: 487
    OK, guys, I'll have to give you the answer, it was Roy Rogers! Tada! just remember that when you are sitting in front of Regis on national TV! OK, Mahi, Gooba, I got the pic of the Nissan FS truck, where do I post it? Or can I just email it to you guys?
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    Head to www.fordranger.com

    They'll be able to help with correcting your speedo gearing or at least point you in the right direction.

    It sounds like you might have a bad U-Joint.

    Did you change the rear end when you swapped in those tires? That seems like quite a big change on the end ratio to the ground.
  • mahimahimahimahi Member Posts: 497
    You can either e-mail @ mahimahi99@hotmail.com or download it on www.driveway.com Our username is frontracspace, remember our password?
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    War of the Compacts? Or is this the lull before the storm? LOL
  • steve234steve234 Member Posts: 460
    The hummer/humvee has IFS because the military wants low profile. The same situation with the old m151. It allow clearance without the height a solid axle needs. You would be surprised at some of the things they have tried to get the top lower and the clearance higher.
  • goobagooba Member Posts: 391
    They want low profile,true,but they also want the best to traverse the rugged terrain.The independent suspension provides that.
  • cncmancncman Member Posts: 487
    OK Last off topic thing from me, the Full Size pic is up now, Mahi, I found the PW again thanks,
  • beatfarmerbeatfarmer Member Posts: 244
    The suspension on the Hummer and the IFS you find on the average small truck is completely different. True, the Hummer uses independent swing arms for all wheels but each swing arm is a massive, stainless steel box section. The Hummer also uses a portage axle design, which puts the final drive gears in the hub of each wheel. It also allows for greater ground clearence since the half shaft meets the wheel above it's centerline. The only similar vehicles out there (driveline wise) are UNIMOGS or Pintzgaurs. This is in no way similar to the IFS you have under the front of your Ranger, S10, Frontier, Tacoma, etc. Even with all of that advanced hardware, Hummers still break axles when pushed too hard. Remember, the Hummer was designed to provide better on road performance than the jeep. To provide the same level of off road performance, massive amounts of ground clearence had to be built into the Hummer.

    If you want to see axles on a military vehicle that will last forever, look at a Duece and a half truck.
  • steve234steve234 Member Posts: 460
    Yeah but can you image getting that ( I think we used to call it a full floating?)rear axle under a pickup.
  • beatfarmerbeatfarmer Member Posts: 244
    Rockwell 2.5 ton full floating axles, if I'm not mistaken. Not an easy conversion for the typical shade tree mechanic.
  • goobagooba Member Posts: 391
    The axles from a M35A2 truck are not heavy enough.the axles are out of M800 series 5 ton trucks.
  • mahimahimahimahi Member Posts: 497
    Gooba,
    Where can I get a set of those? I think since Rancho or Trailmaster doesn't make a lift kit for the Frontier, I'll just go all the way! :) I hope FL doesn't have a bumper clearance law(I know they do..36" or something like that). I can probably get Tampa Sring Co. to fabricate some springs for me. I've already talked to SIA Fabricating & Truck Supply and they're going to do the driveshafts. I'll probably just keep the factory engine, transmission and transfercase. I might go dual pipes but haven't decided yet. I just hope when my lease is up that they won't notice the difference :)
  • dcrislerdcrisler Member Posts: 118
    Thanks for the link... no I did not change gearing... the performance still seems ok, it is just the speedometer is way off and I understand that the computer makes it run rich cause the truck is not up to the speed it should be at a given rpm... (althought I realize this could be an old wifes tale)
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    I would just think that the truck would feel sluggish and bog down in the lower gears.

    If I was going with that big of a swap, I'd use at the very least 3.73s or preferably 4.10s. You've got 3.55s in there now, right?

    I could see the computer having some issues if the gearing is too tall and the engine doesn't have enough grunt to compensate.
  • guitardudeguitardude Member Posts: 44
    Man, it seems like beatfarmer is the only one here who truly knows his stuff. It cant's be said much better then he put it. Basically, what u want all depends on what u plan on doing. An IFS is simply not built for rockcrawling or mud. If u plan on dune running, an IFS will suit u just fine. Yes, race trucks do use an IFS setup, but it's so far diffrent from the normal torsion bar IFS used on commercial vehicles that they are not really similar at all. They cost about 50k more too. The hummer also uses an IFS setup, but have u ever seen a hummer flexing on rocks??? No. Fourwheeler magazine invented the RTI ramp, a system to measure the amount of aritulation a vehicle has. The higest flexing hummer they ever tested had a score of 417 rti. Last months top truck challenge had solid axle 4x's ramping near 1,000. In fact, one jeep ramped 1,065. Baisically, hummers suck when it comes to flexing, but becuase they are so wide and have an excellent 4 wheel drive system, the lace of articulation dosn't bother them. The only IFS system worth messing with is the pre-'98 ford TTB or twin traction beam. What makes this IFS system superior is it's simplicity. About $500 can give the ttb awesome flex. All u need are longer control arms which u can get for about $350, and sway bar disconnects, which are only about $30. Those two simple upgrades allow the axle half-shafts to nearly hang vertically. If u go to explorer4x4.com and look for the "zimmerman" explorer, u will see an example of this.

    If u want to be serious about 4wheeling though, u need to do a solid axle swap. Solid axle's are much stronger and more durable then an IFS. Take five minutes to look in a 4x4 magazine and 90% of the vehicles u see rock crawling will have solid axles.

    Hey, by the way, just to start another topic, has anyone seen the latest issue of 4wheel & Offroad. They classified the s-10 as one of the biggest turds in 4wd. This is what they said "speaking of turds, are these even real 4x4's? We started naming horible components and found that we had just about built a complete s-10." I personally like s-10's, but does anyone else feel like them??? They also mentioned the GM torsion bar IFS as another monster turd. Proof that torsion bar ifs's suck.
  • guitardudeguitardude Member Posts: 44
    Hey, does anyone really believe a toyota u buy here can do that kinda stuff??? The baby toyota v8 dosen't have much more power then a '99 s-10. Are we supposed to believe that that little thing can spin 44" tires??? I want to know what kind of engines they have. Besides, anything a toyota can do there, a ford, dodge, or chevy can definetely do better. 571ci hemi-v8's would definetely move that little land cruiser a bit faster. Besides, $10 says that the new turtle expedtion F-550 would wup those landcruisers and cost about 50k less!!! That F-550 fit 42" tires without a lift!!! What kindof toyota can do that? Or pull an 18,000 pound trailer up a mountain??? The big 3 rule.
  • goobagooba Member Posts: 391
    Wll said but I have seen the Hummer flex over rocks and over any terrain you can imagine.In fact all of the IFS systems currently being used and considered are far superior to the solid axle design over all terrain.Until the development of the current systems there was terrain that could not be crossed.The IFS and 4wd systems now make that terrain accessable.
  • mviglianco1mviglianco1 Member Posts: 283
    How about those Ivan Stewart type Baja trucks that use IFS. I know the IFS in compacts and full size's today does not compare with these but the original question was very broad in asking if IFS of solid axle is better?
  • beatfarmerbeatfarmer Member Posts: 244
    The ones I saw on TV used for an Antarctic expedition were diesel powered and heavily modified by a company in Iceland. The only thing that was stock on these specially prepped vehicles was the sheet metal.

    See http://www.4wdonline.com/News/News.1997.html and scroll down to 8 October for a short story.

    Gooba, Hummer's are all terrain vehicles, but as I said before, the fully independant suspension it rides on is in no way similar to the IFS on your or my truck. That technology comes at a high price. Even then, It still isn't the best system for every terrain it may encounter. All terrain means some compromises had to be made.

    A purpose built vehicle will do better on the terrain it's built for. Would you want to drive across Antarctica in a Hummer or a Heavily modified Landcruiser?
  • guitardudeguitardude Member Posts: 44
    Go to your local grocerie store, and look in the magazine section. It should take less then 5 min for u to look at the pictures and convince yourself the a solid axle is definetely better. Those baja trucks mostly use ifs, but look at the terrain they are going over, they are not slowly crawling over huge boulders, no, they are flying over a desert. IFS setups give u better control and can "suck" bumps much better then a solid axle. Read the latest issue of 4wheel & Offroad, it has a whole section on upgrading ifs's. I quote "If u try and run your Z71 full blast against baja, it'll look like one of the cop cars at the staples center after a lakers game". I also quote "If you're a rockcrawler then there is no arguing that a straight axle is the best. The ability of a solid axle to articulate is far superior to the movement of independent suspensions. For heavy mud, few independent drivelines can withstand more abuse then a strait axle. But if you're more intrested in bump-and-jump, then a well-built IFS system is what u may need." You can't argue with the experts.
  • goobagooba Member Posts: 391
    Thanks for the references,but I do not need them.Some of that is true and some of it is not.I have probably as much experience if not more then the experts in the magazine,over a very wide range of terrain and climates,with a large variety of vehicles.Let us just agree to disagree on this.You have your experts at the magazines and I have my experience and engineers from various manufactuers and countries.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Member Posts: 861
    Did you know Ford was going to a fully independant suspension (front AND back) in the Explorer (when they redesign it next)? As if it weren't incompetent offroad as is, it will only get worse.

    Look our, Ranger owners. Hopefully this atrocity will not spread to other trucks in the Ford lineup.
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    "You can't argue with
    the experts. "


    YOu are so right.


    " The Toyota Tacoma TRD handled the rough stuff better than any vehicle we have driven"

    --FourWheeler
  • bigal31bigal31 Member Posts: 189
    Let it go!! This was just starting to get interesting again..OUT-EN-ZY!!With the Toyota plugs. Do you own their stock or what???
    Allen-
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Looks like he's starting with the cut and paste stuff too.
  • goobagooba Member Posts: 391
    Ah,the bliss of ignorance.How does it feel to be so trusting of experts.It is on the same par as a little baby.It must feel nice.
    One other question.Are you and vince somehow related?
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Gooba, you are so lame! I really must have pissed you off when I showed you just how weak, cheap and where the Frontier stood in the compact truck food chain, at the bottom! LOL... Also, a solid diff is better, ask any offroad shop. Just goes to prove once again, you don't offroad. When the Ranger switched in 97 there was quite a controversy.
    And why don't you tell everyone here what the 0=60 times are for your 3.3 Supercharged bandaid? How about 9.5-9.9!! LOL... Why can't Nissan make a naturally aspirated engine to compete with Ford/GM/Toyota? Can you imagine a Supercharged SOHC 4.0 in a RAnger?? it would absolutely trounce your weak 3.3 Supercharged! LOL....
  • guitardudeguitardude Member Posts: 44
    Umm, no offense, but i really dont think u are an expert on this matter. Mostly from your firm belief in IFS. The coming fully independent explorer suspension will definetely ruin it. Well, the explorer hasn't been worth crap since ford left the TTB in '94.

    Spoog, i agree, from the factory, a tacoma handles a bit better then the others, but a TTB ranger can easily wup a tacoma for about $400.

    Fact is, there's no such thing as a good 4x4 from a factory, unless yur buying a hummer. All vehicles, except the hummer, need modifications. Ranger's just need less modifications then a tacoma. IF u really want a good truck, u gotta mix and match parts. The only thing worth beans in the pre-tacoma toyota's was their solid axle. So, find a older toyota, and steal the axles. Then, get a strong frame and body. You cant get much tougher then a '84 style ranger. Swap the axles onto the ranger. Then, get something to move it. Either the new SOHC 4.0 from the coming rangers, or the 4.3l GM will be fine. Or if your really serious about compact truck power, get a 5.9l v8 from a dakota. That combination, in my opinion, would make a killer 4x4. Feel free to differ.
  • goobagooba Member Posts: 391
    No offense taken.Believe or not believe what you will.I just base my opinion not on magazine experts,but from what different manufactuers are doing in this area.
  • goobagooba Member Posts: 391
    vince said over all the boards:

    Gooba, you are so lame! I really must have pissed
    you off when I showed you just how weak, cheap and
    where the Frontier stood in the compact truck food
    chain, at the bottom! LOL... Also, a solid diff is
    better, ask any offroad shop. Just goes to prove
    once again, you don't offroad. When the Ranger
    switched in 97 there was quite a controversy.
    And why don't you tell everyone here what the 0=60
    times are for your 3.3 Supercharged bandaid? How
    about 9.5-9.9!! LOL... Why can't Nissan make a
    naturally aspirated engine to compete with
    Ford/GM/Toyota? Can you imagine a Supercharged SOHC
    4.0 in a RAnger?? it would absolutely trounce
    your weak 3.3 Supercharged! LOL....


    Once again, Bad Vince, for being happy with your
    Ranger...
    Good gooba, cncman, mahi, for liking your Nissan.
    Same old story, never ends, Ford bad, Nissan good.
    I just pissed you guys off showing you why the
    Ranger is NUMERO UNO, number one for those of you
    who don't speak two languages..
    Live with your choice and don't challange any 4.0
    5spd Rangers with those weak 3.3's. And another
    word of advise, Really, don't challange any new
    SOHC 4.0 Rangers... LOL@!!

    Mahi, your kidding yourself along with anyone who
    knows about towing. A 4,000 lb boat with a truck
    that has 170HP and 200ft/lbs of torque! LOL! Nice
    story. Anyone can do the math, the two don't add
    up. Add your truck weight, people weight, gear
    weight...Yes, it may be able to barely pull it, but
    not as you wish or dream......
    "laughing" how about grunting.... LOL!!!!


    Ok, you Nissan whiners, just face it you bought
    the compact truck lowest on the food chain!! LOL!
    Enjoy your weak 3.3 and 2.4's. Ford has 3
    engines, but I guess you don't want to mention that
    huh? Nor do you want to mention a 3.0 is only
    about 300 dollars more than a 2.5, Nor will you
    then mention a 3.0 has 150HP and 192f/lbs of
    torque, is available in ANY Ford RAnger, Along with
    its 4.0 is Available in ANY Ford RAnger..
    Rangers rule! The Frontier doesn't even make the
    top 30!! LOL as far as sales numbers.. Nor has ANY
    Nissan truck even broke the top 25 mark in sales,
    Why Cncman? If the Nissan is so superior why after
    over 15 years hasn't Nissan taken the number one
    spot in sales? Sales do matter as much as all of
    you want to try to say they don't. Sales make
    money! Something Nissan hasn't done for years!
    LOL...
    Yes, I smoked one of your precious 4 door high
    tech 3.3 Frontiers with my older pushrod 4.0!
    See you in the Cascades
    Oh, I don't see Frontiers up there, they can't
    make it!! LOL....

    Anybody see a pattern?
  • mahimahimahimahi Member Posts: 497
    It's truck envy!!!!! Uh...Ford, Chevy and Toyota are probably thanking God that Nissan didn't want to change the engine compartment and fit the 3.5L in the Frontier this year(2001). Now that's a V-6 that will 'trounce' the competition. So Vince don't act like Nissan doesn't have the capability to make a powerful V-6! I understand that you feel the way you do...owning the 'cheapest' piece of 'new' junk on the market. The only thing that the Ranger is serious about is it's safety. It's at the bottom in offroad design, reliability, recalls, interior size(any model) and resale value. So I can see why all you Ranger 'boys' are so envious...1 out of 5!!! The Ranger is for those that want a truck buit, can't understand why all the others cost more(here's a hint...QUALITY). Another thing ever notice how Ford is always trying to asure you of their commitment to quality...it's because they know that the consumer(who by the way rules)knows they build cheap junk. Their moto "quality is job one", yeah...one they failed! Don't worry Vince when you go to sell your Ranger their will be some guy who can't afford or doesn't have credit to buy new that will take it off you hands at your loss, now that's something to laugh about. LOL!!!!!
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    "Spoog, i agree, from the factory, a tacoma handles
    a bit better then the others, but a TTB ranger can
    easily wup a tacoma for about $400. "



    Lol! Sure pal...keep dreaming. First of all, the Ranger comes with a highway suspension....its gonna cost you more than 400$ to get rid of that!

    Source:



    "
    Ford's new compact frontend uses F-150-style short- and long-arm IFS, with torsion bars. The setup offers big gains on pavement--but not without trail sacrifices.


    Toyota's double A-arm/coilover frontend handles pavement cornering and trail flex with equal skill. We like the six-lug axles and big-caliper front discs. "



    -Four Wheeler.com


    Guitar Dude, I don't know why you don't understand this:

    Ford does NOT make good 4x4's. They don't bother including it in their overall design philosophy of their trucks, PERIOD. They always have the lowest ground clearance, have more highway geared suspensions, and quite simply, aren't built well enough for continued offroad use.

    I WILL agree that the Ranger and Bronco were much better stock offroaders pre-94.

    " The Ranger rattled like a Diamondback offroad"

    --Edmunds.com

    " The Ford Expedition squeaked and rattled offroad, having trouble with terrain the Landcruiser didn't even blink over. In our test, the Expedition was voted most likely to break. In fact, we would like to see Ford start building trucks with more durable materials and more emphasis on doing one thing well instead of attempting to be jacks of all trades, and doing none particularly well"
    -Edmunds.com



    "Fact is, there's no such thing as a good 4x4 from
    a factory, unless yur buying a hummer. "



    Wrong. The Jeep Wrangler and Toyota Tacoma TRD are solid factory 4x4's. They will soundly TROUNCE anything else under 30k.


    \\All
    vehicles, except the hummer, need modifications.
    Ranger's just need less modifications then a
    tacoma.\\


    Sure dude!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!

    Ranger comes with a highway suspension, low ground clearance, no skid plates, no gas tank plate, no clutch start cancel switch, NO LEVER MOUNTED T-case, NO NEUTRAL Position, NO LOCKER< crappy shocks, BAD gearing, a history of defects, soft steering, an engine known for sucking water, and a well documented history of poor build quality, especially when used offroad.

    The Ranger is a fine, fine vehicle for work, forest roads, and town. But it is no offroader.

    And the Explorer? lol! Anyone , ANYONE knows the explorer is easily the WORST SUV offroad, PERIOD.

    YOu can slap all the crap on it you want, but the basic design of it is STILL totally lacking for offroad use!
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Gooba, nice paste.. you have no life? Frontier in the shop? YOu have proved to one other person you know NOTHING about offroading.. Your lame bud..Now enjoy your bottom of the food chain Frontier..LOL!
    Spoog, lies, lies, lies.. We have gone over these issues over and over again in the Ranger vs Toyota Room. Ranger does come with skidplates, Ranger does have a limited slip too.. The TRD has a useless locker.. Can only engage it in 4low and at under 5mph per the manual, and when not engaged its an OPEN Axle, pretty expensive option you may use about 3% of your total driving time. The rest of your TRD is Bilsteins and springs.. You got taken bud.. Enjoy that sticker..
  • goobagooba Member Posts: 391
    vince posted once again on the boards:

    Here we go! Someone totally new enters the board
    and the Nissan crew jumps all over them. Truth
    hurts huh boys! LOL!! The Frontier is whimpy!
    Your kidding yourself with the 4K tow, you making
    me laugh along with anyone else who tows... Do the
    math yourself.... 170HP 200ft/lbs of torque
    4K boat + people + gear + trailer... would make it
    closer to 5K total... 200ft/lbs doesn't pull 5K
    lbs easily my friend, nice try though.....


    Gooba, you whine too much..
    Don't start getting down on me for the backlash
    you guys started! Between the 4 of you all I heard
    from the start is Ford bad, Ford garbage, Ford
    junk crap. I just showed you different and you
    guys didn't like it.
    And about the 3.0 option.. WRONG once again.. Its
    about a 300 dollar upgrade.. Yes, I will give you
    that the 2.4 will whip up on a 2.5... But Nissan
    only offers 2 engines, Ford 3..... If you look at
    the stats of the 2.5 vs the 3.0 MPG is only about a
    1 to 2 MPG difference...


    Gooba, nice paste.. you have no life? Frontier in
    the shop? YOu have proved to one other person you
    know NOTHING about offroading.. Your lame bud..Now
    enjoy your bottom of the food chain Frontier..LOL!
    Spoog, lies, lies, lies.. We have gone over these
    issues over and over again in the Ranger vs Toyota
    Room. Ranger does come with skidplates, Ranger does
    have a limited slip too.. The TRD has a useless
    locker.. Can only engage it in 4low and at under
    5mph per the manual, and when not engaged its an
    OPEN Axle, pretty expensive option you may use
    about 3% of your total driving time. The rest of
    your TRD is Bilsteins and springs.. You got taken
    bud.. Enjoy that sticker..


    Lockers don't help you in icy or snowy conditions.
    You want a limited slip diff. Lockers are more
    for straight away acceleration and not good for
    corners or turning. A limited slip has a clutch
    mechanism where one wheel slips and causes the
    clutch to engage the other tire. Locker is when
    both wheels spin at the same rpm at the same time
    constantly. Lockers are usually found on the folks
    who do some serious rock climbing or snorkling or
    serious offroading. Stats show that over 90% of
    4x4's don't even see gravel! I think for you a
    locker would be way over kill..

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  • mahimahimahimahi Member Posts: 497
    Vince,
    I read a little article in YOUR bible(Truck Trend) and it praised the 2001 Frontier. I see your truck must be out of the shop this weekend!!! Have you done any more mods to get it up to par with the competition? Uhhh you still need to increase your exhust flow...since you increased your intake, you haven't accomplished anythig yet. Have you relocated the rear shock mounts...you know like the Nissan and Toyotas. How about that frame? Still C-frame? I thought so...come back when you get a real truck. Sorry you have such a horrible platform to start from...hehehehe
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    Right on the money. Like adding walls of gold to a shaky, rickety-old foundation.
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