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TOYOTA TACOMA vs FORD RANGER- Part XI
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1busman--->Either I'm a lucky [non-permissible content removed], or I know how to care and maintain for a vehicle now. I haven't had any repairs needed to my 93 ranger with 135k that cost more than 120 bucks or 3-4 hours work. Brake rotors replaced once, water pump replaced once, radiator replaced once and all after 110k-115k miles. The only costly repair was my when auto transmission puked, but I used to hammer it into drive after redlining it in high school, thinking I was cool doing a little burnout. 24 years old now, and much more sane of a driver, but the darn thing is still running, and still getting 20-22 mpg in the city (2.3l). My fathers 92 f-150 is the same, except less miles (about 90k) but no parts replaced except a few vacuum lines and a main seal. Both cases show that with proper maintenance, the cost of owning and driving a Ford that still performs is way less than a Toyota. No Quality Problems seen here!There's a reason there are more Fords on the road, because they do outsell and they do last!
SPOOG!!! SPOOOG SPOOG!!! (LOOK HERE)-->I see you ignore posts that put light on your obvious conjectures and miss-information. Are you on a personal crusade or something? Did a Ranger run over your dog?
tony22r--->Try working in the Automotive industry for a while. Perform regular and not-so regular maintenance on all varieties of makes and models. Then you'll see how full of crap your post really is.
barlitz--->You lucky dog you! A 2001 model to boot.
Note: I'm not saying Toyota sucks here at all, Just that Ranger's offer all I want and More, and for a price that definately offers more truck for the buck and a look that's much more pleasing to the eye. Sure toyota components may last 1-2 years more, but paying more for them isn't financially viable.
http://members.aol.com/Cpousnr/music2.jpg
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as of right now. my tacoma has the most power. has the best gas mileage. and oh yeah. the 98 ranger already has some rust on it (my tacoma dont). and all three have picked up rattles and been back to the dealership for work. once again mine hasnt. i dont care was some survey or test says. we ran our own and they all want to trade there trucks in for tacomas...
and oh yeah. something im noticing, there are more and more older people (in there 40s adn up) slammin trucks (lowering them) so maybe u should look at that before sendin me to the kids section
Good and bad. . .
It is never a matter of trucks, just taste.
and no one did answere me why all my friends had problems with there trucks and i havent had a problem yet? and they are not as hard on there trucks as i am mine.
I do not know why, perhaps the same reason I have had no major problems on my Ranger to date.
allknowing:
Yep that is a fun trail, Music Pass in the Sangre de Cristo's. Usually mud at the bottom (but a nice camping space there), some nice areas as you see, some off-camber areas and views from the top across the valley to the Wet Mountains. It is maybe 2,500 ft in elevation climb from the valley floor to that spot, in about 12 miles of trail. That last shot is in a clearing that is the trailhead for the rest of Music Pass, gotta walk from there, that goes up to Crestone Needle and Crestone Peak, both 14,000+peaks and favorites for climbers. I hunt just to the right of the picture, top of the mountains across the valley where the storm is. Great for Blue Grouse, deer, elk, snowshoe hare and turkey. Black Bear up there too, but thats ok, I will leave them alone if they do the same. The valley has antelope. My property is somewhere in the low foothills just on the left of the picture.
Yes it is a 200 gallon water tank.
I get around the net to other chat rooms. There are plenty of disgruntled Toyota owners out there. I continually wonder how Toyota comes out unscathed and ontop in all these quality/reliability bouts. Brings to mind my friend with his Tacoma and how he tried to hide his problems from me.. Hmmm....
Well, in either case you will definitely want to check out:
www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls
4 Recalls for 2000-2001 Ford Ranger
5 Recalls for 2000-2001 Chevy S-10
0 Recalls for 2000-2001 Toyota Tacoma
midnight_stang (and other Chevy/Ford owners) you really should write down those toll-free phone#'s for GM and Ford; because some of those Recalls look like they might be kind of serious; stuff like brakes, seatbelts, tires, hoods flying off while driving, cooling systems, mislabeled GVW ratings/capacities... wow, i'm surprised they didn't just recall the whole Darn Vehicle!
>>> 2000-2001 Ford Ranger (4 RECALLS)
Component: STRUCTURE:HOOD ASSEMBLY:HINGE AND ATTACHMENTS, Mfg. Campaign #: 00S45
Year: 2001 FORD TRUCK, RANGER
Potential Number of Units Affected: 137700
Component: TIRES:TREAD, Mfg. Campaign #: 00T005000
Year: 2000 FORD TRUCK, RANGER
Potential Number of Units Affected: 14400000
Component: ENGINE COOLING SYSTEM:OTHER PARTS, Mfg. Campaign #: 00S07
Year: 2000, FORD TRUCK, RANGER
Potential Number of Units Affected: 49
Component: INTERIOR SYSTEMS:ACTIVE RESTRAINTS:BELT BUCKLES, Mfg. Campaign #: 00S21
Year: 2000 FORD TRUCK, RANGER
Potential Number of Units Affected: 144435
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>>> 2000-2001 Chevy S-10 (5 RECALLS)
Component: INTERIOR SYSTEMS:ACTIVE RESTRAINTS: BELT BUCKLES, Mfg. Campaign #: 00067
Year: 2001 CHEVROLET TRUCK, S10
Potential Number of Units Affected: 156305
Component: BRAKES:HYDRAULIC:ANTI-SKID SYSTEM, Mfg. Campaign #: 00013
Year: 2000 CHEVROLET TRUCK, S10
Potential Number of Units Affected: 10674
Component: INTERIOR SYSTEMS:ACTIVE RESTRAINTS: BELT BUCKLES, Mfg. Campaign #: 00067
Year: 2000 CHEVROLET TRUCK, S10
Potential Number of Units Affected: 156305
Component: EQUIPMENT:CERTIFICATION LABEL, Mfg. Campaign #: 00063
Year: 2000 CHEVROLET TRUCK, S10
Potential Number of Units Affected: 223194
Component: BRAKES:HYDRAULIC:ANTI-SKID SYSTEM, Mfg. Campaign #: 99049
Year: 2000 CHEVROLET TRUCK, S10
Potential Number of Units Affected: 3947
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>>> midnight_stang wrote:
tony22r--->Try working in the Automotive industry for a while. Perform regular and not-so regular maintenance on all varieties of makes and models. Then you'll see how full of crap your post really is.
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sorry buddy, don't get mad at me, i didn't build your vehicle. Ford did.
And for your information I've owned plenty of Fords and Chevy's in my life, lots of different years and models. Maintenance? oh yeah, i've done maintenance )
I've owned/built/rebuilt Chev 350's, 400's, 3.8L, 2.2L, 3.1L, 2.8L, 2.0L, some turbocharged, some supercharged. Ford 460's, 351's, 302's, 3.8L, 4.0L, even a couple of Dodges )
So pal, I know all about owning and maintaining all kinds of vehicles. When I was younger, working on cars was almost fun, racing them even funner.
But now I'm rather busy with my family, my career, house payments, etc. I need and want reliability and dependability.
So these days I buy Toyota, or Honda, or Nissan.
There was a time when I defended GM, justified purchasing Fords, and was hopeful about the quality and reliability of "Big 3" vehicles thinking they would improve over time.
But time and again they've proven that they cannot get their act together. One of my '95 Fords is still in the dealership garage as we speak! Recall for defective head gaskets. Disappointing, to say the least.
http://news.excite.com/news/ap/us/tire-deaths
Besides the your recalls listed are potentially serious, but not as serious as letting things like that go. And why list S10 recalls here, I don't think anyone cares. You've combined the list of recalls and stereotyped them into the Ranger, "why not recall the whole darn vehicle". At least Ranger HAS active restraint seat belts. Look up Safety belt pre-tensioners. Look up survival rate on full impact or severe roll overs in Rangers. You'll see where the extra weight comes into play, and how the cab survives, and the occupants practically walk away. The tires is the whole Firestone crap, Ford does not manufacture tires, and they are ditching the fireturds. Cooling system, POTENTIALLY 49 vehicles are you joking? Hood assembly, could be bad news, but haven't heard of seen of one fly up. It could just be a mandate to inspect for a possible latch not torqued on enough. You do know Ford is now very-pro active on this type of stuff. Informing the customer about POTENTIAL problems that could occur, ever since the Firestone fiasco. You will see many of these recalls and TSB in the future as well. And little to none for Toyota? I guess this means to you that Toyota is perfect! But what if they just aren't telling you everything you could want to know about your truck's safety. Ever think about that?
I posted on the chevy board because you cut and pasted the same post on like 3 forums, it even in your profile. I don't own a Chevy(GM), because I'm a Ford guy. But I do have respect for them(Cadillac's, Z06, etc.)
I know you say you're a busy man, and who isn't these days? You want reliability and dpendability, well I'm telling you Ford has done nothing but prove both to me and my family, and my State. There's a reason why the several government agencies (Postal service etc) and commercial companies are buying up base rangers left and right. Because they are reliable, because they are cheap to run, and because they are cheap to fix. If you want to spend more money to for something that may run a bit longer untouched, or for that peace of mind, go ahead I can't stop you. Or spend less money on a domestic, maintain it like you would an import(or keep to the schedule in the book), and you'll have more money for your house payments, etc.
slamedtacoma--->2" is slammed huh? Okay so you're judging your opinion on those three cars alone. Rust on a "brand new" 98 ranger, means little about the truck, but much about the (previous) owner. "go to summit racin a buy lowering blocks dumb [non-permissible content removed]. and no one did answere me why all my friends had problems with there trucks and i havent had a problem yet? " Because no one cares. You could be comparing 4cyl automatics vs manuals, your friends could of bought the basest of trucks, or ones worn to hell. You think that you're truck is probably "bomb" while your friends trucks aren't. Too many hidden factors to call it systematic or problematic of either make. Let me also introduce you to the shift key. It's right under the Enter key.
indacurl2k--->;I saw something about that last night. I loved it when they were talking about steering when they are jerking the wheel back and forth making the vehicle sway. Also firestone separations claims on Explorers over 1183, Goodyear spearations claims on Explorers 2. Firestone also cites that the same tire is found on the lighter rangers, with little or no safety problems. Well aparantly the tread separation would have something to do with car weight(DUH), as the ranger is much lighter than an explorer, and a more powerful engine means faster speeds available.
http://fordfirestonewildernessatprogram.ford.com/
I thought Nissan buyers didn't have to deal with recalls?? I thought you said only GM, Ford and Chrysler have these problems. I don't understand...
Both sites you suggested I look at show that the tacoma is more reliable than the ranger, though the ranger's reliability has improved.
I don't see what your problem is. If you are happy with your ranger great. I am happy with my tacoma. I never tried to say you are anyone else was stupid for buying a ranger. You've seem to think that us tacoma are stupid and you are entitled to your opinion.
The reason I bought my tacoma isn't reliability (though the reliability is nice). I test drove the ranger and didn't like the seats, the engine, the handling, or the blind spots. I test drove the tacoma and I thought it was better in all areas. So I bought what I liked.
Steve Cohen
"At least Ranger HAS active restraint seat belts. Look up Safety belt pre-tensioners. "
The Taco has seat belt pretensioners as well as a cutoff for the passenger side Airbag.
and i agree w/ smc13. i like my tacoma (so do all my friends) and if u like your ranger thats fine.
the end
I think this forum has kinda taken a change for the worst with alot of bashing, personal and opinion wise. So I'd like to start making posts with a new theme. Features that make a difference between makes.
By Comparing the cheapest v6 4x2 I could find on either make, here are the differences. Ranger's Standard's: A/C, ABS Brakes, Power Locks/Windows, Cruise Control, 6-Disc in dash CD (edge), Tachometer, Alloy Wheels. Tacoma's Options: Optional power seats, Double cab for V6. Difference in price: Ranger at $14,782 vs Tacoma at $17,234. $2452 difference. Note that all standard features on Ranger are optional in Tacoma, but the price difference would be even more. I did see the Tacoma has a higher ground clearance by 2-3 inches, while the Ranger has a larger wheelbase.
Maybe its because Tacoma owners know just how badly this version does in comparison? I don't know. Its no secret Tacoma's cost more at purchase. Yet Toyota owners love to brag about resale? I sure hope the Tacoma resales for more, they paid more to begin with.
Getting a 4x2 Ranger with the new SOHC 4.0 and a limited slip diff sounds like a ton of fun.
Fact is the Ranger now just plain out powers the Toyota in any configuration when coupled to a SOHC 4.0.
So far I am very impressed with the 4.0L SOHC engine. It pulls hard, and I haven't even gone past 4000rpm, as I'm still breaking it in. Quiet and smooth too. Much nicer than the 2.9L Ranger that I traded in with 246K kilometres on it. Hopefully the fuel economy won't be too bad.
P.S. Test drove a Sonoma before getting the Ranger - what a piece of crap. The GM 4.3L is NOT a good engine; not fast or smooth.
A question for you Ranger owners. I could have sworn that I test drove a 2dr supercab xlt 4.0l v6 4x4 off road package but I can't find the 2dr xlt listed at edmunds or fords website. Was I dreaming?
Steve Cohen
The Tacoma would have been 23,050, a $4100 USD difference.
1 month of Toy Taco ownership and so far so great...I had yet to mash down the gas pedal (except for the test vehicle we drove) until yesterday. A 2001 Pathfinder was looking to cut me off from a stop at a signal. Well, I'd love to say I could blow away his 240 horses but the nose of my truck never was behind his. he went behind me only to tailgate and pass after the right hand turn we both wanted to make. Usually I don't care but I just didn't feel like being cut off by the 17 year old in Mom and Dad's Sport Ute.
He looked pretty annoyed since I think he thought he had a sure thing...heh heh.
John
Defect Investigations 1989-2000
Ford Ranger - 20
Dodge Dakota- 14
Chevy S10 - 51
Toyota Tacoma - 2
Safety Recalls 1989-2000
Ford Ranger- 32
Dodge Dakota - 28
Chevyy S10 - 47
Toyota Tacoma - 6
Technical Service Bulletins 1989-2000
Ford Ranger -2,279(yes, 2,279)
Dodge Dakota- 940
Chevy S10 -448
Toyota Tacoma - 150
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So there you have it. All data is factual, and very telling. This is NOT "subjective".
A trucks reliability and build quality is NOT "subjective".
Not all trucks are built the same, as you can plainly see.
Here is the hard link:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/
National Highway Traffic Safety Administrati
it is sort of like the Mac vs. PC argument in the computer domain. i use a Mac and like it very much, but a PC is the computer for the masses, and has more software available for it. i see a similar analogy with these 2 trucks: the Taco is the Mac of the mini trucks...i.e. more expensive to buy and fix, but more refined.
to some owners, refinement is important. i like my Ranger were it not for vibrating and beating me to death...it is a lot things good but it IS NOT refined; it is strong on structural integrity, strong axles and suspension, beautiful paint, very rough, noisy, buzzy engine and very good towing capacity. what i have learned (the hard way) is that i would have been happier with a Taco (MUCH smoother engine and a better highway truck). my Ranger is better suited for going in the rough.
But for the Ford Ranger, they were about DEFECTS like: Inaccurate Speedometers, Brake Vibration, Leaking Transmission Fluid, Defective Windshield Wipers, Squeaking Doors, Squawking Clutch, Grinding from Transmission!
It may well be that Ranger outsells Toyota 9:1, but Ranger also has NINE times the number of Defects, Recalls, and Service Bulletins!
Rangers are Cheaper to buy, but Rangers are CHEAP Quality!
Just look at all those Service Bulletins for 2000 Ford Rangers!! And look at the types of things that already need to be fixed on a 2000 Ranger!
It was true in the 80's and 90's and it's Still true for 2000-2001, FORD still stands for Fixed Or Repaired Daily! Ford quality is JOKE One! To get any kind of Recall work done by Ford you have to Fight with the dealerships, or the government has to intervene to force Ford fix the Defects on Millions of defective Ford vehicles.
In a few more years that Ford Ranger WILL be sitting on jackstands on your front yard!
>>>Bulletins for 2000 Ford Ranger (www.alldata.com)
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 99-26-6 DEC 99 Diagnostic Service Tips-Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS)
2. 99-26-9 DEC 99 Fuel Economy-Customer Expectation vs. Vehicle Usage
3. 99-26-4 DEC 99 Inaccurate/Inoperative Speedometer/Odometer
4. 99-24-2 NOV 99 Replace/Repair Any Lock Components and Individual Locks
5. 99-23-4 NOV 99 Codes P0442, P0455/MIL On, No Driveability Concerns
6. 99-22-2 NOV 99 Wire Harness Terminal Repair Kit & Wire Splice Procedure
7. 99-19-6 SEP 99 A/C-Identification of Non-Ford Approved Refrigerants
8. 99-19-4 SEP 99 Brake Vibration/Inspection/Friction Material Replacement
9. 00-11-1 MAY 00 Traction Battery-Battery Diagnostic-Service Tip
10. 00-10-6 MAY 00 Vehicle Sits Low In Rear
11. 00-9-1 MAY 00 Automatic Transmission Fluid Leaks at Radiator
12. 00-9-6 MAY 00 The Front Wipers Operate while Switch is in OFF position
13. 00-5-5 MAR 00 Chucking/Squeaking/Creaking Noise From Rear Doors
14. 00-5-7 MAR 00 Squawking/Eeking Noise From Clutch, 4.0L OHV, M5OD
15. 00-3-6 FEB 00 M/T-Buzzing/Grinding Noise During 2-3 Upshift, M5OD
16. 00-1-5 JAN 00 A/T-New Transmission Cooler Flusher-Service Tip
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>>> Bulletins for 2000 Toyota Tacoma (www.alldata.com)
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. PG032-99 DEC 99 Year 2000 Readiness Disclosure
2. PG031-99 OCT 99 Tire Inflation & Wheel Lug Torque Reference Chart
3. PG021-99 SEP 99 2000 Pre-Delivery Service
4. AX005-00 APR 00 RS3000 TVIP Automatic Door Lock Feature Programming
5. PG006-00 MAR 00 CA/50 State Certified Emission Control Label Ordering
6. AX001-00 MAR 00 Toyota dinghy towing guide
7. PA001-00 JAN 00 2000 Model Year Paint Codes
8. BO002-00 JAN 00 Seat Belt Extender
9. PG001-00 JAN 00 2000 Technical Service Bulletin Information
10. BO001-00 JAN 00 Rear Quarter Panel Paint Chip Protection
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P.s. barlitz -> i read that Ford head gaskets are made of recycled Ford Technical Service Bulletins, because Ford didn't know what to do with the Billions of pages of paper wasted on Ford TSB's!
I KNOW there's truth to THAT because one of my '95 Fords is sitting in the dealership Garage right now as we speak! Recall for Defective Cylinder Head Gaskets! Blown after only 65,200 miles and less than 6 years!
I had to tape an old piece of Ford TSB over the annoying "Check Engine Soon" light because it started to come on Constantly after 3 years, and the dealership refused to Fix it saying it was outside of Warranty!
I'm glad i saved all those Ford TSB's to put on my garage Floor, because after 2 years my '95 Ford which i bought brand New started leaking Engine Oil and Transmission Fluid out of the oil pan seals!
It was pampered, street-driven only, no offroad, well-maintained.
But regardless of how well i took care of it, in a few years it was just Found On Road Dead !
You also seemed to have missed that when you look at the defects listed for the Tacoma vs the Ranger, there is a HIGHER incedent of injury in the case of Tacoma.
Sorry, gotta run, taking my Ranger with 43.8k miles out for a run. Its had a couple of the issues you cite, wipers coming on, door chime coming on but I will take those any day over a transfer case locking up in traffic. . .Other than those things, only thing that stopped it was an icy trail at about 10,200 ft november before last. It would have to be called a FOTD,
Fathfully Outsells Toyota's Daily. . .
Nice engine, had an 18R in a Corona once, the older version of the 22R. Sold it with 133K but the interior was fairly well shot by 12 years of use and the exterior was rusting very badly.
Vince-Bring your 4.0 by sometime and we will see how they compare:)
I know apples to oranges, but hey it would be a lot of fun watching you stare at my tail lights...
It's all in good fun though!