TOYOTA TACOMA vs FORD RANGER- Part XI

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  • 1busman1busman Member Posts: 33
    why would anyone want to go 100 mph in a pickup truck. some of you guys are crazy. by the way most pickups have speed limiters on them so they can't go that fast because of the speed rating on the tires. at least I know it's true on ford and gm trucks. the computer starts cutting out the spark above 90 and gets worse the faster you try to go.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    tbunder is just too much to handle.
    "I was challenged"???? Arent you the one who was getting all excited about how noone wanted to race you in this forum, since we were all big wimps? Well, you challenged people, and your challenge was met. Oh, by the way, "jumping"? Is that what normal people consider to be "driving up a sand dune at high speed, and flying over a big batch of land", or is that your idea of jumping?

    About trucks being bought over the net: Ok, I can't check it now, I'll buy that it's what you are saying. Now...how does that matter? It's still buying a truck. I still go down to the dealership, talk to dealers, testdrive the truck. Buying it over the net means you don't deal with a street dealer, and then head into the GSM office, but you deal with the net salesman, and then head into GSMs office. I guess buying a truck $100 over invoice is bad because I didnt go through the 3 hour hassle like you did at the dealership?
    And I do have AC in the truck. It's a part of a package. And I have power everything.

    You didnt buy a truck to drive 100? WEll, I agree, I didnt buy it for that either. But please, about the 6-CD changer: Do you expect anyone in here to believe that you'll be driving eyes dead on the road, wehn you got a babyseat somewhere in the back? Thats the reason why you didnt buy a Nissan or DC, backseat was too small....so you will not look behind you to check on the baby?

    About the brake: Given that IIHS has actually determined that Tacoma's safety cage is STRONGER than Rangers, and right leg rating is G, I wouldnt worry about slamming my leg against the brake. Take a look at Ranger's rightfoot and safety cage rating, and then we can talk.

    Let me try again at the "Why does Ford sell more".
    Pretty much throughout the US, the national average salary is somewhere around 35K. So at a 35K a year difference of alleged 2K in price can be quite big. Heck, take even 40K, the 2K difference is still 5% of your yearly income. Ford is targeting the broadest layer of population possible, with its cheap prices. Just like WalMart does. Considering how much debt an average US family already carries, it can explain why they shop at WalMart and buy cheapest things possible.
    Great number of people will trade a cheap buy for quality buy. Again, explains why WalMart is thriving (please agree that Walmart is cheap? Quality of products in WM is REALLY low. It's economics again: when you want to target the largest number of people, you just make things cheap to produce and cheap to sell).

    And last, I am not saddaddy. Be original, at least.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    Tacoma is limited at 107, and I still have to check on the tires rating, but since it's still in breakin, I try not to go over 75.
    Still....speed doesnt kill, bad driving kills, but thats my personal view on it. I'd love to see unlimited speed highways all over the US, where people who can handle cars at high speed could at least enjoy it publically without fear of rearending some 80yo bluehair from Florida, or being taken to jail.
    I've seen plenty of situations where an accident would have been caused by a dumb driver (in one case, stationary dumb driver). You have to be smart on the road, not slow.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    post 3096. smgilles challenged me to a winston cup compact race in the woods at 100 mph. only challenge ive set up was to pluto, who declined it numerous times over the last couple months. still no snow here in iowa, so its still up and standing pluto.


    scorpio......it seems your results are a bit (okay, a lot) tainted by what ive observed at IIHS' website. its seems that the dummies injuries in the tacoma were greater than the rangers and mazdas. the ranger also has better rated head restraints and bumpers. BOTH received the same overall rating. what are you talking about saying the tacoma was found to be safer? ranger got better injury reports and has better bumpers and the all important head restraints. same exact score overall. please stop lying to this forum about how safe the tacoma was found to be by the iihs. and to top it off, ranger was found to be safer by the nhtsa, this is the one that counts. here's the proof if you still dont believe. note that this was supposed to be researched by you, and i double checked. like ive said so many times, make sure what you post is the truth, cuz im gonna find you out everytime. just like i found out you're allknowing as well. here's the link:


    http://www.highwaysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/summary_smpickup.htm

  • 759397759397 Member Posts: 79
    Just accept the fact that their isn't an easy answer for everything. First my friend charters his boat and trailers it to where ever they want to launch from in MA or RI. Second on the Cape for the summer just for a mooring not dock but mooring is $150 per foot with a 30' minimum. So that's $4500 per summer for a non protected mooring. You want to have your $45k boat rolling around unprotected for $4500 per summer go ahead. Third it is very common to trailer boats under 30'. Fourth maintainence is much easier with the boat in a yard (he actually waxes once a month during the season). Fifth the price of gas is roughly $0.50 more at the marina than on land. When you go through 600 gallons per weekend sometimes it makes sense.

    So thanks for your concern but I think he's all set. The point still stands, if you are going to be towing 5000lbs on a regular basis, buy a full sized truck not a Ranger or Tacoma.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    sounds like your bud is in over his head on his purchase of such a large boat and can only use it when he gets time to tow it or has the money to buy gas for it. maybe a cheaper and smaller boat would have served his purpose better. i live close to a huge lake,(largest in iowa), having owned three jet skis before the little one came along, i rarely saw any large boats being towed by heavy duty trucks. all were docked in the marina. this makes perfect sense to me. if you own a cessna, are you gonna haul it to the airport everytime you want to fly it? no, you rent a spot in a hangar. just my opinion. either way, i doubt manufacturers will claim a tow rating when they don't think the vehicle can tow it. too much liability there.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    I've said that Ranger has higher chance to have the safety cage crumble. Is it not true?
    Ranger has much bigger chance to damage RIGHT foot, the one you said I'd bump into the parking brake handle. The overall rating for both trucks is the same, but some things in Taco are better than others. Same goes for Ranger. So am I lying about the safety cage? I'll take a non-crumbling safety cage over bumpers, thank you very much. Speak up, boy.

    Also, I guess living in Iowa means being paranoid and dilusional (at this point I am generalizing, but I've never heard anything good about the place anyway, and you are a living proof), since you were thinking I'm saddaddy, AND now I am allknowing. How much you wanna bet I'm not? HOw about a pink slip to your Ranger, so I can sell the POS and get myself some nice equipment for my truck (IF I can sell it, probably some dealer will give me few thousand for it)? (And Saddaddys, and allknowings). Remember, you offered to race for pink slips before, so I am just doing the same thing to you, except its not racing.
    Lets just hope your kids don't grow up to be as dilusional as you are.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Member Posts: 566
    That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. Should have known it would come from that guy. Anyway, you never answered my question Tbunder -- how does 600 pounds difference in towing capacity make our trucks wimpy? I guarantee you that our trucks could handle 5600 pounds as easily as the ranger. Ford obviously just gave it that kind of rating to one up the competition. If I ever see a Ranger capably towing 5600 pounds I will go out and buy three of those amazing machines. Please reply cuz I missed your reasoning when you skipped out on this question last time. Of course our defense would be that 600 pounds difference doesn't matter, because - guess what, it doesn't. Please prove how it does. You might as well say that a Focus is better than a VW bug because it can tow 150 pounds more than the other one. HOW DOES IT MATTER? Thats the logic it seems that you are using. And I am not scorpio, why would anyone use two names - if anyone should know it would be you.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    I don't know if I would be able to stay away from stomping the pedal to the metal quite often with a charger. I have a manual too, so I fly through first and second very fast (although I think with charger you don't even need 1st gear, teh engine will pull 2nd no problem, it does on mine already, stock, although there is some lack of power when I do that). But if the gas milage stays the same, I'll consider it. I've already got the amsoil and deckplate, anything to get better gas milage.
  • 759397759397 Member Posts: 79
    I think my friend is all set. This isn't a lake you know.

    Thanks for the concern.

    Go tow your 5600lbs and have a good time.
  • smgillessmgilles Member Posts: 252
    tbunder:
    a. I have a S/C
    b. I have 32" Goodyear MTR's
    c. I have sway-away coilovers in front
    d. I have beilstein 7100's in the rear
    e. I don't have a bed welded to my frame, which is just like you.
    =60 more hp/60 more ft/lbs torque and better off-road tires (for Iowa terrain) and 2" more clearance and a 10x better suspension than yours or the orginal TRD suspension.

    So, basically it would not be a "stock" vs. a stock. I was being fecetious about my statement of a slalom at 100mph. (blowing things out of proportion: Like someone else on here=YOU) and no I don't drive 100mph in my pick-up, but will easily do it:) I would like to wheel with you sometime, even if we don't have comparable vehicles. Lets try to set something up sometime!

    scorpio: The S/C does not kill your gas mileage if you don't hot rod it all the time. I get 19-21 most of the time and 17 in town. If I hot rod alot drop approx. 1mpg of both estimates.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    Thanks. Looks like there'll be a $2000 gift item on my Xmas list next year.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    Maybe when you mature a bit and can better understand simple concepts, you'll see that I already gave you the exact posts where you stated the prices and the differences. If you really don't have the intelligence to understand post #3090, then I won't waste any more of my time with you. I really doubt that you're that dense but rather unwilling to admit that you've posted garbage information. Maybe you should sit down with your Dad present and he can explain it to you. Now I'm also supposed to be sc0rpi0 huh? Grow up little guy.

    By the way, I found your link in post #3106 interesting too. You noted that the Ranger had better ratings in "all important head restraints". Wow the Ranger scored "poor to marginal" while the Tacoma was rated only "poor". The Ranger didn’t quite excel in this area as your post implies. The Ranger also scored lower than the Tacoma in "Structure/ safety cage" and in injuries to the right foot. Overall, the Tacoma and the Ranger scored higher than any other small truck and you would be stretching the facts, as you typically do, to say that one is really better than the other according to that chart. Anyway looking forward to your next childish insult and erronous post. It's good to have a regular here, like yourself, that virtually everyone looks down upon.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    a few of you finally acknowleging facts.
    ranger scored equally overall with tacoma in iihs ratings, not better like scorpio originally stated. and ranger scored better than tacoma in nhtsa, which no one is commenting on. scorpio, please note that ranger had fewer injuries than tacoma and received more positive scores. tacoma's safety cage may have not crumbled as easily, but that force was obviously felt by the driver as the tacoma had the chance of getting seriously injured easier, by the results of the bodily injury scores.

    saddaddy, glad to also see you're acknoledging some facts. benefits of being able to tow 600 more pounds with ranger? its that one extra 4x4 4-wheeler that you can't load on a trailer and pull with tacoma, that you can load up and pull with ranger. what you gonna tell your buddies, sorry, but my wimpy tacoma can only tow these four wheelers, you'll have to rent a truck to bring yours. there's your 600 pound benefit. where was your argument over in tundra vs big three pickups when we were discussing tow ratings? over there, you clung to each pound tundra would pull. again, the fact is not in your favor, so, lets downplay it, am i right? obviously.

    smgilles- since you have 32" goodyear tires, i hope you're not ruining your gears with the larger tires and more power. this sounds like trouble waiting to happen. is all that power going to help off-road? nope. four low is four low, and my 210 horses is more than enough to keep up with your 265. ive got 31" BFG's, (according to pluto, who thinks metric and flotation are the same- they're really LT265/70/16)and ill take you off-road. like i said, name the place and time dude. sounds like you don't have the TRD, why else would you claim your setup is better than a stock TRD? i could (as well) easily slap some bilsteins on my truck if you want me to make it more fair for you to accept it when i pull you out of the mud or up that hill. id do that for ya. keep me posted. LOL
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    again, reply to my reply of post 3090. you state that i said a loaded ranger 4x4 is 18000, and i asked you to provide me with this post. you didn't. and where did i ever say, according to this link, that ranger was better? i am saying they're equal according to this test, because scorpio was claiming the tacoma came out ahead, when in reality, the ranger received in total, more positive scores. count them. you're the regular, why else would you ALWAYS take the time to read what i post? AND REPLY!

    the name of this forum is ranger vs tacoma. a few posts earlier, i laid out the facts on both trucks as far as a lot of items are concerned. ie. tow ratings, options, configurations, sales numbers, etc. the ranger wins hands down, as evident by you guys' downplaying of all of these facts. im sick of proving all of this to you. its time for you all to accept them, and be happy with your overpriced tacoma. its not our fault you didn't buy a ford truck. after all, what's ford known for? their trucks. toyota? their corolla. LOL. tacoma= all wheel drive camry. hilarious. oh, one with a one-star crash rating in side impacts.
  • plutoniousplutonious Member Posts: 799
    Why even argue with this guy anymore? Here's the record:

    1. Tbunder bragged about his rear locker when he thought he had one, found out he didn't, then says lockers suck and LSDs are better

    2. Tbunder goofed big time when he didn't realize a P265 tire is a 31" tire - he was corrected by eagle63

    3. Tbunder makes up figures, saying Rangers weigh 400 lbs more than the "tin" Tacomas. In reality, comparable Rangers weigh 60-70 lbs more

    4. Tbunder said Tacoma's rear diff is small and wimpy, "at least 2" smaller than Ranger's." Tacoma's diff is .4" smaller.

    5. Tbunder tries to discredit the mountain-load of links indicating Tacoma is the better truck by always claiming the reviews were somehow "biased." Yet these same reviews also have Ford advertisements and have favorly reviewed non-Toyota products.

    6. Tbunder can't seem to grasp the fact a locker is a better off-roading tool than an LSD.

    7. Tbunder keeps bragging about the Ford's top-of-the-line engine option in the Ranger, the 4.0 SOHC. But Tbunder doesn't want to include Toyota's top engine option, the supercharger 3.4L DOHC.

    To top if off, we're dealing with somebody who "jumps" trucks and thinks his truck bed is WELDED to the frame!!! Hey Tbunder, how are you going to ever get to your fuel tank if there's a problem? Just curious...

    Maybe we should all follow this little piece of advice: "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."
  • smgillessmgilles Member Posts: 252
    You have selective vision. I wrote my set up now is 10x better than the original TRD setup that was on it. As in I took out the beilsteins and it came with and replaced them with an even better off-road/on road set up.

    I hate to tell you but BFg-T/A's are worthless in the mud. I have owned a set before. Great on ice and loose terrain, but other than that I was not impressed.

    Please explain to me how I am going to ruin my gears? How are 4:10's not sufficient? Have you realized you bed is not welded to your frame yet? Makes me wonder if you even own a Ranger. I think your Dad owns it and you (who is 13-15) get to drive while practicing for Drivers Ed. It was your Dad looking for a 4 door that way when he took you and your lady friend to the mall you guys wouldn't be cramped. LOL
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    Don't think I've heard that one before, but I like it. Fits the situation perfectly. Tbunder should be a lawyer (bundy, htat is NOT a compliment), for he fits the profession perfectly.
    Our Ranger-jumping friend here sounded all confident and professional talking about regearing trucks. I guess he doesnt realize that part of putting bigger tires on is regearing. Oh well. He certainly beat me with the experience....I guess they don't teach this stuff in college, otherwise I would have taken time to take a class like this. I think I am going to take that advise and just stop posting in here. Don't be surprised if tbunders reaction is going to be something like: "Haha, he ran away because he knew I was right! No more lies!".

    Well, tbunder, I'll leave you to your idiocy. When you buy your F150, make sure to take your eyes off the road a lot, and don't be shy to put the pedal to the metal. The world would certainly be better off without you. Actually with an F150, you don't even have to drive fast, those things crumble at a 40mph crash. Adios.
  • plutoniousplutonious Member Posts: 799
    Scorpio, remember how Tbunder bragged non-stop about the Ranger's lighter rims and how they reduced unsprung weight? What an asanine argument, considering trucks use a live rear axle - the heaviest (unsprung weight wise) suspension set up by far! This guy has no clue...

    Now he's saying trucks have beds welded to their frames!

    Regearing would be over poor Bundy's little head.

    Law wouldn't be a suitable profession for Bundy. Lawyers have to be articulate, persuasive and knowledgeable. They also have to produce legal documents with proper English grammar. Bundy has shown he has none of these traits...

    I don't think I've ever "met" anybody as consistently inconsistent as Bundy. He brags about the Ranger, says the S-10 is actually the better 4x4 truck, changes his mind and wants to buy a Frontier (weakest engine in its class), then considers a Toyota DC, then says an F-150 is the ticket. To boot, he pulls figures out of his head...

    Bundy, better stick with your Ranger. That little truck is probably safer than the full-size F-150 you want, and you need all the protection you can get from your truck-jumping and whatever else it is you do.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    Depends on lawyers......there's OJ trial lawyers, and there are ambulance chasers.
  • 2k1trd2k1trd Member Posts: 301
    What year is your Tacoma?
  • eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    "scorpio......it seems your results are a bit (okay, a lot) tainted by what ive observed at IIHS' website. its seems that the dummies injuries in the tacoma were greater than the rangers and mazdas. the ranger also has better rated head restraints and bumpers. BOTH received the same overall rating. what are you talking about saying the tacoma was found to be safer? please stop lying to this forum about how safe the tacoma was found to be by the iihs. like ive said so many times, make sure what you post is the truth, cuz im gonna find you out everytime. just like i found out you're allknowing as well. here's the link:"


    http://www.highwaysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/summary_smpickup.htm


    you are truly amazing. had you read the IIHS report a little more closely, you would have realized that the Tacoma IS indeed the winner in the compact pickup category. Click on your link, then notice that the tacoma is listed first, followed by the ranger. This is a ranking from 1st to last. Still don't believe me? Ok now follow these steps: click on the words " toyota tacoma," then in the little green box on the left side of the page, click on "photos of vehicles with highest and lowest ratings in this class." Notice what comes up: tacoma as class winner, dakota as class loser.

    You know Tbunder, I've always said make sure what you post is the truth, cuz I'm gonna find you out everytime.

  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    Brand new 2002, V6 manual 4x4.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    I'll just avoid talking to tbunder, but I'll still post here. Sometimes there are intelligent conversations going on here.

    I just got back from San Antonio, went to Devils Den there. Pluto, you ever been up there? So today was the day I went 4-wheeling for the first time (and I certainly used a lot of 4 wheels). Wicked..
    Although, I did not have the pleasure I wanted....when I was coming back, I almost pulled a Ranger out of mud he got stuck in (guy said he saw grass, he thought he'd be safe. unfortunately, it rained few times this week, like Wednesday or so). Almost being that when I tried to, the guy had his parking brake on, so he wasnt trying hard enough. So then a Suburban came up, cleared the Ranger out. It was a 4.0L XLT with 265s.
  • plutoniousplutonious Member Posts: 799
    Devil's Den? Never heard of it, though I do get to San Antonio a few times a year usually.

    You really have to watch that South Texas soil when off-roading because there's so much caliche in it. The stuff holds water long after it rains and is super-mucky and sticky, and what's worse is the top of it usually appears dry. I myself have gotten into some bad situations where the trail appeared perfectly dry and before I knew it, I was almost up to my doors in muck.

    Scorpio, did you buy your truck in San Antonio? If so, where and have you been pleased? I need to have some scheduled maintenance done soon and DON'T want to go to Red McComb's (where I bought the truck).
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    It's right off 410 and Ingram, just take Ingram east of the mall, and the entrance is 2nd low water crossing off to your right.
    I consciosly tried to avoid mud alltogether, I don't have the tires for it. Got some wet dirt, thats about all (one small 4-feet hill, about 60-70 deg incline proved to be quite challenging for a total beginner, I almost rolled over going down on the way back, got too far to the side).

    I bought the Taco in Austin, so I've no idea about San Antonio dealers....there's one in San Marcos, I dont know if its the one you mean. But you can spend an hour and drive to Austin, right on I35 on the very southern part of town there's Champion Toyota, I bought my truck there, I was surprised how painless and well it all went.
  • plutoniousplutonious Member Posts: 799
    I like to avoid mud too, but during hunting season that can be darn impossible. I just like to warn people about that caliche-soil because if you don't know what to expect, you can get stuck pretty quick.

    At this point, I'm just looking for a good place to get my truck serviced. Hey, I bought a Toyota and shouldn't have to buy new again for 10 years or so!
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    Your right in that my original recollection was that you said 18 - 19k while you actually said 20K in the post that I rechecked and mentioned. This sidestepping, however, still doesn't do much for the fact that you said the FX4 was only $500 more than a fully loaded Ranger XLT in one post while you previously posted figures of a 6K - 7K difference. I can live with a slight generalization but you just throw out extreme figures and facts to support whatever your current argument is at the moment. Use your whole brain for a change, looking at the whole comment and quit trying to divert the subject from your bad information. I imagine that you'll come back with an incoherent response off the subject which you may feel is sheer genius. The cold hard fact though is that no one here believes anything you post. You’re not the first in this forum that, with a cocky attitude, insults people and makes erroneous statements thinking that they’re something while they’re actually laughed at. I had thought of creating a post of all of your incorrect statements and backtracked information in the short 1 1/2 months that you've been her but there are so many items, the post would be huge. I suppose I could conversely make a list of all of the correct information that you've posted as that would be pretty short.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    sure got you guys' attention, eh? get a life guys.

    allknowing, please go to www.fordvehicles.com, and build your ranger, then see that the fx4 is only $500 more than an xlt off-road. then, put on your dunce hat and walk in front of your grandma and tell her how stupid you really are. and that you REALLY HAVE NO CLUE! the price i originally said i bought my truck for was an otd price, not sticker you idiot. you're the moron who said that fx4 was $7000-8000 more than any other ranger. did you not?

    pluto- here's how retarded we all know you are.

    1) you thought a lsd and a locker could be housed in one axle at the same time, and function interchangeably. doh!

    2) you thought, and still do evidently, that a flotation 31" and a metric sized LT265/70/16 are the same tire, when they are very different in sizes. if ya want, i can post the differences you moron.

    3) you think, since you have a locker, that an open diff is better in all applications than an lsd except that one time when you're rock climbing and use your locker after stopping to engage it yourself, and can only go 15 mph. and fail to accept the fact that both do the same thing, with the lsd locking itself in automatically, and at ANY speed, not just up to 15 mph.

    4) you brag about publications claiming that the tacoma is the best truck in the world, but fail to EVER answer the question of WHY toyota can't come anywhere close to selling as many tacomas as ford sells rangers.

    5) you also deny the fact that tacoma got beat by a dodge ram in the new pickup truck of the year shootout by four-wheeler this year, and that it wasn't even in the running last year. four-wheeler totally ran down the TRD's suspension, but you continually brag about how awesome it is.

    6) you cannot understand the theory ford used in equipping its FX4 ranger with special baja proven alcoa rims, which is for strength and to reduce unsprung weight. research it yourself. i think someone here is jealous of FX4's components, why else would you be browsing the lots desperately trying to find one.

    7)everyone on this little forum knows how bad you twist facts and numbers, check back a few posts if you want proof. practically everyone on here knows how much of an idiot you are and how you are really all talk, posting 24 hours a day at all hours.

    8) you think that toyotas best engine is the s/c'd 3.4, when its not even offered for sale from the factory. AND to top it off, you don't even have it, but you still brag like you do. when in reality, we all know you can't afford it being a poor mexican boy holding the slow sign.


    9) you post on practically every forum at edmunds, and its sad to see such a fellow like you who has nothing better to do than find assurance with his peers on every forum you can, bragging about your toyota, when in reality you have clutch issues and think you need more power from your wimpy 190 horse 3.4 which is probably on the verge of blowing a head gasket any day down there in the dust storms of the mexico trailer parks.

    scorpio, what happened to your little challenge of coming to iowa? all you have to do is drop me a line and ill find the time to wheel with you. chickening out? smgilles, you too. bring it on!

    you know, say what you will, but i still haven't seen anyone respond to any of the facts i laid out a couple days ago. ill say it again, sales numbers of ranger outselling tacoma's by hundreds of thousands, more options standard as compared to paying extra for them on tacoma ($85 clock), abs, larger tires and wheels, anti-theft system, more towing power, more horsepower and torque, etc. again, no one wants to discuss these. why? as ive said before, because you cant. you know, i really shouldn't waste my time on you guys, obviously the other ranger guys know its a useless subject to keep pointing out ranger's numerous advantages over tacoma, but since you all have nothing better to do than see what i post, ill give you this one. you guys really are losers, ya know? get out and do something you rejects.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    No I didn't say that. You did though you don't seem to want to admit it. I was using your figures. Anyway, forget Fords website, where can we get a FX4 for $20,500 out the door since you've changed your story and now and say that the FX4 is only $500 more than the XLT (of which yours was $20,000)?

    Also, you once weasled out of noting problems with a 98 Ranger telling me to stick with the new models. Why then,do you keep talking about the Tacoma's one star side impact rating when the 2001 and later Tacoma has a three star rating? If you want to go back a few years, then let's note that until about the last five years, Consumer Reports and others have listed the Ranger as a used truck to avoid. It's quality has improved since.
    Rather tha calling everyone a childish name, please note that you're the only one looking idiotic in this forum recently. If you enjoy having people look down upon you as well as having no respect, then keep it up. Are you really old enough to drive yet?
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    forget fords website? is this your defense? ok, here's what you said in post 3051:

    #3051 of 3132 tbunder by allknowing Dec 05, 2001 (09:58 pm)
    So what you're saying in post #3050 is that Ford is taking advantage of people by charging a whopping $7,000 - $8,000 for better tires and shocks on the FX4. If you were right it would be pathetic, however, since you have no idea what you're talking about again, it doesn't mean much of anything.

    this is you talking, and you're saying that ford charges $7000-8000 for the FX4 over any other ranger. nowhere in post 3050, as you claim, did i say this. check it if you want. all i said, is that the FX4 basically is just tires and shocks over the regular off-road pkg. and i even provide a website you can go to to verify this, and you just say, "forget fords website". you are obviously a coward or else you'd check and admit you didn't know what you were talking about in the first place. msrp of FX4 vs msrp of regular off-road are one thing (what i am talking about), otd price of one another are different (is different at every dealer). i haven't priced an FX4, but i would doubt you could get one as cheap as i got mine (otd im talking). i got a $2000 rebate when i got mine. also paid cash for it, so got it even cheaper. but NOWHERE did i ever say that FX4 was $7000-8000 more than regular off-road ranger. YOU DID my friend. its in clear writing. on the '98 ranger issue, one thing you need to know. the only REAL differences in rangers in the three years since '98 is the new 4.0 engine. nothing else has really been changed. so how could a new one be that much better than a '98? tell me though, what was rangers side impact ratings back then? and now? the same i would guess. and what has toyota changed since '98 to make their truck better in side impacts? nothing i would guess. they're still deathtraps. only thing they need is a coke logo on the sides and they'd be perfect. LOL
    note: reason im using names, is because pluto started the name calling in his vulgar post earlier this evening. usual for his supressed behavior, he just couldn't take it and blew up. that is very normal in people with his illness. goes way back to his childhood when evidently he was ignored a lot by his parents and friends. i feel sorry for him, truly i do.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    this is my last post, because i feel as if im talking to a brick wall with you toyota owners. its obvious if something is not in your favor, you totally downplay it, this has been the whole flavor of this forum since ive come into it. but here's evidence of tacoma's estranged side impact problem (as noted by the nhtsa's note of high chance or pelvic injury). note that the tundra isn't exactly the safest vehicle to be in either, as compared to the F150. also please note that the nhtsa, as claimed by some of you, is an easier test than the iihs test. so why did toyota score so low on these tests? simple, its not as safe as american trucks. you look and make a conclusion. im sure, somehow you'll find some way of saying the tacoma is safer. but it will be a lie, because here's the proof:


    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/NCAP/Cars/2001Pkup.html


    its been nice proving all of you wrong, even though you all (toyota guys) will never admit it, but just remember, that you guys can't order buy a tacoma with as much horsepower or torque as a ranger, and cannot tow as much with your tacoma. you also can't get a lsd, just a locker, and thats an option if you dont get the TRD pkg. happy holidays all. out.

  • midnight_stangmidnight_stang Member Posts: 862
  • eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    how come you didn't respond to my post?? (#3124) because you're embarrassed? hahahahaha!!!!
  • issisteelmanissisteelman Member Posts: 124
    Finally, Tbunder has made his last post, and not a moment too soon in my opinion. I still believe that Tbunder and Vince8 are the same person. Tbunder will be back, but he will be using a new login name. And he'll try to convince everyone the Ranger is the best, which is fine because we are all entitled to our opinion. It is too bad he has to insult everyone while doing so. As I've said before, just enjoy the truck you own and who really cares which one is better. Winter is coming which means all trucks get to enjoy the snow! Take care and I'll see you in God's country........Steelman.
  • eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    "this is my last post, because i feel as if im talking to a brick wall with you toyota owners."

    -I feel a sudden urge to sing the Hallelujah Chorus....
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    I missed the game, but I was pleased. About time the Boys get out of the slump
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    blah blah blah, yada yada yada. Sing us a new song. I didnt take your challenge, are you having memory problems again? Why would I want to ride all the way up to Iowa to prove someone something? I already saw a proof last night at the Den.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    What a surprise!


    It's pretty simple really... let's get away from the "trying to PROVE something" postings and things will go a LOT smoother...


    Back to the trucks please...




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  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    Hopefully you'll take a Midol and calm down. It's not worth getting that worked up is it? The Ranger's a great truck but some of us don't like it as much as the Tacoma for various reasons. It seems that comments which differ from your own either blow over your head or overly tick you off. As for my comment which you seem to be having trouble understanding, once again, I was using your figures and being sarcastic because you were contradicting your earlier posts. I tried to show you examples of the post numbers where this occurred and can't do any more if you can't comprehend or won't accept the examples. The whole point is that your figures were incorrect, not the actual figures posted on the Ford site.
  • 2k1trd2k1trd Member Posts: 301
    You can remove the rear cat also on your tacoma.I just made my own pipe with a piece of 2 1/2 pipe and welded a flange at each end.This will give you al litle more flow and a nicer exhaust note.
  • sozersozer Member Posts: 12
    We all know that both trucks have had problems in the past, but still the tacoma has great gas mileage, a reasonable price, and a pretty attractive exterior with the freshening up that came along in the 2001 model. Personally I would never buy a Ford, with all of those problems! I know they are improving but still why would you ever buy a Ford over a Toyota????????????????????
  • bessbess Member Posts: 972
    tbunder. I also prefer ford products, and I am of the opinion that Ranger's are equalivalent to or better than Tacoma's in almost every aspect except for price.. However you use the exact same tactics as Pluto does when it comes to expressing your opinions. (aka, blinders)

    Also your personal attacks on individuals and ethnic jokes should not be tolerated and I for one wish that you would keep to your promise to not post on this group..
  • bessbess Member Posts: 972
    Welcome to the discussion.

    The mpg's on the Tacoma and the Ranger are very similar.. For example when comparing 4x4 Rangers and Tacoma mpg's:
    Truck city/highway
    Ranger 4x2 2.3L = 24/28
    Tacoma 4x2 2.4L = 22/27
    Tacoma 4x4 2.7L= 19/22
    Ranger 4x4 3.0L = 18/21
    Tacoma 4x4 3.4L = 17/19
    Ranger 4x4 4.0L = 16/19
    Tacoma 4x4 3.4L + SC = (I bet less than 16/19, but this isn't available from the factory anyway)

    Given the very small difference in MPG's, I doubt that this carries much weight when choosing between the Ranger and the Tacoma.

    Reasons to buy a Ranger instead of a Tacoma depends on what you want/need in a small pickup truck..

    1. More available options on the Ranger, such as 4-doors in the extended cab models.. Sure you don't want to put adults back there, but it is nice when loading/unloading large gear bags etc.

    2. If your a 'power hungry' type of person, the Ranger has the larger engine available from the factory.

    3. If you equip the Ranger and Tacoma with similar options, the Ranger tends to be over a thousand dollars less. (comparing MSRP).

    4. I prefer the exterior look of the Ranger, interior feel and seating position, and the larger and deeper bed in the Ranger.

    What is your personal experience or stories of friends or family that have owned a Tacoma or Ranger..
    If you search around here on Edmunds, you'll see there are plenty of folks who have Tacoma problems as well..
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    sozer's profile. Now I fully understand why he prefers a Toyota over a Ford.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    The few things I have against Ranger are:
    1. exterior/interio looks. Looks horrible to me from the outside (only 2002 models are starting to look attractive somewhat), looks .....cheap on the inside. My personal opinion.
    2. Track record. It may be the bestseller, but so are $5.99 t-shirts in WalMart. I've lost faith in domestic car makers, and Ford isnt looking attractive at all with all the recalls.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    12 years old and already owning a car? And shopping for one? How's that possible?
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    C'mon!!! Your subjective comment on looks is totally out of place here. Everyone knows that the '01 and up tacoma with that freaky grill is the ugliest truck out there!!!

    I bet the first time you tried to jump it it wouldn't be able to land 'cause it's sooo ugly. LOL!!! and j/k!
  • 759397759397 Member Posts: 79
    go to the Frontier......then again I do like my 98' Tacoma grill better than the new ones.

    Not to nit pick but you can get your Tacoma from a dealer with the SC already installed. Just like ordering any other vehicle. I was speaking to a mechanic at our dealer and he said it has been done several times this year alone. Order your Tacoma TRD etc. pick all the options you want and have them order the SC at the same time. He said the majority have negotiated the the labor into the truck sale. So theoretically you can have an out the door Tacoma with a SC. Although he suggested holding off until you break the engine in before adding the SC.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Member Posts: 566
    MPGs have been my biggest beef with my taco. Since things have lightened up a bit, i feel i can say this. I now get about 19 on mostly hiway. That is going an avg. of 75 mph. Will try another filter and see.
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