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Ford Excursion vs Chevy Suburban/GMC Yukon XL - The battle of the titans
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First, the two I drove both wandered and it was busy work to keep it going straight. Going over a bump was an experience and the deisel was NOISY.
The wife had a sore back at the end of the test and that put the kabosh on the deal.
Four months ago I bought a 2001 Yukon Denali XL and love the vehicle. Tho I have had some minor issues with the vehicle, overall I am happy with my purchase. But the main thing that concerned me was I could not find a review anywhere that liked the Excursion over the Suburban, or even liked the Excursion at all. Personally, I still like the vehicle, if Ford would only make it more civil and comfortable. After all, even the new big rigs ride like cars...no professional trucker wants to get bounced around on a long trip and the manufacturers of these rigs are correcting the problem, Why won't Ford? Thanks for listening
As to load weight, a lot of our gear is space takers but not all that heavy. So the interior demensions are key, can't fit an airline 500 kennel in side ways on a new Sub like you could in a '90 and prior, but you can do that in the Ex. and get the dog in and out. Not to mention the alley for the dogs that provides a nice bed for a nap when you want to drive straight through like we did comming back, Anacortes, WA to Bay Area in 14 hours with just a few gas stops and to air dogs.
Enjoy what you drive.
Hopefully, when I am ready for a new vehicle, the Excursion will be more to my likeing. I still like the vehicle.
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I guess i could cut down on a couple things to take to the grocery store, if I HAD to, but only if there is nothing larger available that will allow me to bring everything with me.
I did like how easily driven it was while I was on my cell phone checking my stock quotes though. Does Ford offer an in dash monitor that I can watch TV on while I'm driving? thanx in advance for any responses!
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I will say,that in a pinch, u might be able to get by with the Ford F350 attached to a 40ft trailer, a little tuff in the parking lots, but it will do the job.
Anyway, when comparing the 2500 to the Excursion, they are much more similar. I thought I wanted the Excursion until I actually drove it - I bought the 2500 w/8.1L because it was much funner to drive and has better towing performance. Turning radius and road handling is also superior in the 3/4T burb. The new 3/4T burb drives better than the previous 1/2T burbs. I like large vehicles, but the Excursion was just too much like driving a bus (slow and unwieldy) and the diesel is just plain noisy.
However, I am very glad that there is finally some competition - unfortunately the Ford sales are so poor that it hasn't caused any significant price decreases. GM was correct in their initial arrogant assessment that they were not worried about the Excursion since it didn't compete in their volume market of 1/2T burbs.
Too bad, I would like to see GM have some competition in that market segment. I like the size and style of the Ex, come on Ford, make it civilized...
Oh, in spite of some very "minor" problems, I LOVE the XL Denali.
I used to like my Excursion limited even though it continuously creaked and rattled but after I found out the resale value I got sick to my stomach. Also by the way, resale values on Suburban's are much higher due to market conditions and the fact that they are much better SUV's and most informed buyers know it. I guess I got burned by trying something different!
The first thing i noticed, after only driving it for a few minutes, was that the vehicle wanted to "Wander" all over the road, obviously due to the solid front axle...This Cooled me off rather quickly. Got back into my then 1999 Tahoe 4x4, and felt like i was in a "almost" luxury vehicle. End of Excursion love affair.
Just keep it and drive it, psych yourself up to liking it and just try to enjoy the vehicle. It's too expensive to get rid of it now.
Anyway, we have much more important things to concern ourselves with right now besides our Trucks
Long Live America!
Unless you trailer FULL TIME pass on the autoride, and fit after market air shocks.
I would highly recommend the autoride to anyone buying a Suburban.
We shopped the new subs and ex's pretty hard. What I found was that the Sub and Ex both get crappy gas mileage on long non-towing trips. I used boths trip computers to gauge and both were under 12 MPG highway (ex with v10 and 8l sub).
We opted for the deisel ex. We were getting a good 16 MPG on short hauls while testing.
My wife, surprise surprise did not mind the noise of the deisel. At highway speed and cruise speed, it was all but silent. Funny thing about the noise, my 5.7l Sub with 100K and 4 yrs on it is no luxury ride. It is loud with road, engine, and wind noise.
Ride quality? My 1/2 sub had Michelin XT/AT 10 ply truck tires. It bounced and pounded at 50 psi just like the 3/4 ton Ex, but the Ex can handle some load. The Sub tended to sag heavily if we approached anywhere near 1/2 ton (8 people, drywall, bags of cement).
The Ex may ride a little stiff and bumpy on rough roads when empty, but the Sub was pretty sloppy with anything over 6 or 7 hundred pounds.
Just curious, Why didn't u try the 2500 sub?
CPT FRIEDMAN
US ARMY
signed, confused
AS
Skipjack
Even if Ford comes out with an extended Expedition with a V6 diesel it will not compare with the Excursion in tow rating.
I cannot speak to the gas versions, but the diesel version has better all around mileage than my 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee did!!! The Jeep got consistently 13 and 18 mpg over the 125k miles I drove it... Thus far the Ex has gotten anywhere from 15 to 21 mpg for the 4k I've driven it...
And my wife's '02 Lincoln LS V8 gets poorer mileage than the Ex - the few times WHEN I am allowed to drive it! (Of course it is a FUN care to drive - a stealth sports car!!!)
I KNOW what my true fuel mileage is with our bone stock '02 Ex with the PSD and there are many documented cases of potential for much greater improvement with some simple modifications...
The PSD reacts well to air intake and exhaust modifications with 20 to 50 HP increases and better mileage from the increased effeciency...
More air intake = better burn rates of the fuel..
Proper exhaust tuning = better flow thru the engine... (You can't accept more input without better output!)
It reacts even better to re programming of the ECU by the Superchips Microtuner and/or the Hypertech Power Programmer with better transmission shift management and on-the-fly engine management. Many report upwards of 5 MPG increases with just the tuners...
The claims of the tuners to give you increases of 80 HP are correct, with dyno verification of some owners. That's a 33% increase !!!
I don't care to defend my purchase ---
because it is MY purchase and it is the right purchase for MY situation...
But it amazes me to see the "I've never had experience with that, but I know what I'm talking about" argument...
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I know there are MANY more important battles we could spend our time on...
But, after all, isn't that why we fight so hard to defend our "turf", because it is our "turf", not "their's" ???
If you got 'em, hug 'em - EVERY DAY - your children need that!
However, if you are getting a monster SUV to "keep up with the Jones" or boost your self-image, let me ask you this ? How does it feel to throw $40,000+ down the toilet, while at the same time offending everybody else on the road, harming the environment, and supporting terrorism ? 3 for 1 !!
I think that's a bit over the top. If you buy clothing, food or diamonds from abroad one could conclude, using the same "logic," that you support the exploitation of children, slave labor and despotic governments.
tidester, host
I checked the engines, features, transmissions and towing capacities. I found the fuel-injected 6.8L V10 for the Excursion has less horsepower than the 6.0L V8 Power Stroke Turbo Diesel. So, I compared it with that engine with the .75-ton Suburban and Envoy XL, both of those with 4WD.
The Excursion has 5 more horsepower than the Suburban or Envoy XL. But GM's are also available with a more powerful optional 8.0L V8. The Excursion has a shiftable 5-speed automatic transmission. The Suburban and Envoy XL have a 4-speed automatic. The Excursion's maximum towing capacity with that engine is 11,000 pounds. The .75-ton Suburbans and Envoy XL's is 12,000. It is 1,000 more, which is handy if needed. And the 2 GM's are estimated to get better fuel economy than the Excursion. There is more.
I am sure I am not the only one who still has cassettes as well as CD's. Cassette is standard in the 2 GM's. It is optional in the Excursion.
If I was to go with a bigger SUV, I would choose one of the 2 GM's over the Excursion. But I had to state the facts about all 3 SUV's.
Just thought I would give the facts.
AS
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All this being said, our other car is a Volvo wagon, which is just about as good in most situations when you only have to transport 3 or 4 people.
With two teenage daughters (and their friends and/or cheerleading squads) and a baby (with all the gear required), my stepmother's Suburban can't even come close to the passenger room and storage space behind the 3rd row seat.
If we aren't moving that many people, then we might take the Suburban. If we want to move a lot of people and gear, and/or tow a heavy payload, we always take the Excursion.
When it came time to choose another SUV a week ago, I chose another Excursion, and still love it more than any other SUV out there on the road. It's the clear winner against a Suburban, in my book!
This is not the place to fight the "SUVs vs. the World" battles. Take it over to the I don't like SUVs, why do you? discussion.
tidester, host
LOL! I guess that's compared to the Excursion :-)
BTW...have either of actually driven a car? ;-)
...I tow the Suburban behind the Excursion...
Hopefully this offers some insight from a two SUV family.
Posting that certainly offers some insight into you ;-)
I'm confident that my family and friends will survive an impact with your Honda insight... how about you?
Oh, who cares. It's not like they're, you know, human or anything.
Agree!
Besides, none of these folks ever showed up for the party at I don't like SUVs, why do you?. :-)
tidester, host