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2008 Honda Accord Coupe and Sedan

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  • aamixyaamixy Member Posts: 69
    I doubt it is on the market yet. But today I saw a car made a left turn in front of me. I thought it was the new civic from the front. But after I looked the car from behind I found it says Accord v6. The side looks curvier than the 07 Accord and the tail lights have minor changes, more like a rounded shape. I am pretty sure it is not a 07 Accord v6 since I have one. Is it the Accord hybrid? It is not a coupe either since 'Accord v6' is at the left side of the sedan.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    blifz1,

    You wrote "1980 Buick Regal deceased 1989." GM, nuf said.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    Does blufz = bluefz22 ?
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    What do you think. :)
  • maddog11maddog11 Member Posts: 42
    The August issue of Car & driver has the the Altima coupe 0-60 5.8 and August issue of Road & Track 5.7.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,733
    Not bad.

    So, really, Honda needs very little to catch up at this point in terms of power. They certainly don't need to exceed Nissan's output. Although, if they did, it would probably mean 5.5 secs or faster. But that's going to bring a whole lot more torque steer with it. I'd like to see a limited slip and equal halfshafts at least in the 6-speed model.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    They can't help exceeding Nissan's output. It's AVTEC!
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Honda wouldn't need A-VTEC to get 270+ HP or 3.5-liter displacement. The question is, do they want to? I think we might see no more than 270 HP from Accord V6, which would still be 25 HP more than the outgoing engine. And even with only 240 HP (old standard), Accord V6/6MT has run 0-60 in 5.9s and 5-60 in only 6.3s (C&D, 2003). Thats only 0.1s slower than the latest and a lot more powerful Altima (how did the Altima perform in 5-60 run?).
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,733
    And even with only 240 HP (old standard), Accord V6/6MT has run 0-60 in 5.9s and 5-60 in only 6.3s (C&D, 2003).

    Right. Which is exactly my point. They don't need to trump on HP because they can trump on acceleration with less HP. ;)

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    It is the 3.5,and it is STRONG!. They just tune it "up" or "down" for the horsepower they want to advertise for each model.
  • jet10000jet10000 Member Posts: 656
    Did I see a 08 Accord?

    Go to post 1052 to see the pictures of the new Accord sedan.

    Does that look like what you saw?
  • maddog11maddog11 Member Posts: 42
    Autospies.com has some new spyshots of the 2008 Accord Sedan taken last week at the press launching in Boston. These are by the best spyshots of the car Ive seen. It looks sharp!
  • thenebeanthenebean Member Posts: 1,124
    i am assuming that the accord weighs less than the altima. and that difference, combined with the horsepower, would probably favor honda. the new accord looks a little bigger and heavier based on the photos i have seen...not sure what the weight rating is. i'd be curious to see 0-60 times on the new accord...

    anyone know the estimated weight of the new accord?

    -thene :)
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    2003 Accord Coupe V6/6MT listed at 3294 lb (240 HP*, 13.73 lb/HP*)
    2008 Altima Coupe V6/6MT listed at 3207 lb (270 HP, 11.88 lb/HP)

    Accords haven't exactly been lightweights in a while. My 1998 Accord EX was listed at about 3200 lb.

    * Accord's ratings using old SAE standard.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,733
    IIRC, my '06 accord 6mt sedan is like 3350?

    so, yeah, kinda heavy. but, then again, considering its size, its not bad. i mean, my 350z was about 3300 lbs, too!

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  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Yep. I believe Accord V6/6MT sedan tips the scale at 3375 lb (about 3425 lb with auto).

    The current Accord Coupe V6/6MT has similar power to weight ratio (240 HP, 3290 lb) as the 2003 Acura CL Type-S/6MT did (260 HP, 3450 lb), and similar performance numbers too (In a C&D comparison test, CL-S did 0-60 in 5.9s and 5-60 run in 6.2s).
  • eldainoeldaino Member Posts: 1,618
    my comments are were not limited to engines, but to the car itself; the engine increasing from 1.8 to 2.0 isn't the basis of my argument with regards to reliability.

    anywho the new accord is great! :P

    i dont think honda will try to win any hp wars especially if the new civic is any indication of this. anything over 270 to the front wheels would be overkill. i can't imagine a us spec accord with a STANDARD limited slip. not gonna happen.
  • trickydicktrickydick Member Posts: 37
    I currently have a 2003 TSX with a lease expiring the end of October. I pay about $380/month. I'm considering leasing a 2008 Accord, preferably what is equivalent to the current 6 cylinder EX model (6 cylinders, leather, satellite radio, and 6CD, but I don't need a nav system). I'd like to shave $40-50 off my monthly lease payments. Do you think that's do-able considering the Accord will be newly released? What price range are we looking at with the new Accords?

    I'm also considering the Saab 9-3 (also new in 2008, but I get a GM supplier discount) and the Altima so any comments/thoughts comparing the vehicles are certainly appreciated. I've been reading those Boards as well.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Based on "tradition", you can expect a 1-2% increase in price (virtually every model year).
  • maddog11maddog11 Member Posts: 42
    According to a representative of The Temple of VTEC website who attended the press launching last week in Boston, the 2008 Accord in terms of HP will not be second to any other car in its class. Which cars he thinks are in its class beside the Altima (270HP) and Camry (268HP), I do not know if he is including the Passat (280HP).
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Member Posts: 1,724
    Yes, I think if you have the TSX now and it will soon expire on the lease, You will have positive equity to be able to roll into the lease, that will be on your side. You will use that to get a better deal on your car, Also you might consider selling your car out right, in order to get even more money in profit to use towards your new car. The dealer will only give you your actual KBB trade in value, subtract your payoff and you'll have the amount of equity that is able to be used in the new deal. By selling it out right, you'll get a bit more back in return, its which ever you feel. With your equity I think you should be able to take off a bit on payment. Your looking at the 27k model, v6, with leather, thats todays models price, which might change. Just remember, request plenty of quotes from dealerships before settling on one dealer, you'd be suprised how high some dealership quotes were, compared to others. I am getting my new accord in Georgia, they are a non-commission dealership. I will probably get the coupe this time.
  • jchan2jchan2 Member Posts: 4,956
    I would probably lease another TSX (or get a lease extension) until the Accord prices start to come down; right around launch is when dealers will want MSRP for them, but they'll be forced to discount them after January (most likely)
  • aamixyaamixy Member Posts: 69
    No, it looks like what I saw. Strange, what could it be then?
  • aamixyaamixy Member Posts: 69
    Sorry, I actually meant it did NOT look like what I saw.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,733
    ahhhhh... a slight update to this. I just read that C&D. The 5.8 secs Altima Coupe is actually with a CVT!
    SOOOo... it should be faster with a stick.

    One big downside I saw reading that article ... The price was $31,800!! That exceeds the Accord by quite a bit. It did have a backup camera and HIDs, which the current Accord has neither of, but that's not worth several thousand bucks, IMHO.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • eldainoeldaino Member Posts: 1,618
    thanks for the info.

    dunno if they can exceed the passat, the 3.6 in it is huge! but then again i wonder if honda considers it a direct competitor; i'm sure they will be content with trumping toyota and nissan and most of the domestics. (plus the passat can be had in 4motion, something the accord or many other cars in this segment, please don't bring up the fusion, don't offer. maybe they feel the passat is more of a competitor to the legacy?)
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    I doubt Honda considers Passat as a direct competitor for Accord, at least not in North America. Passat buyers in general fall under lifestyle buyers, who try to be different. But you never know, Honda could go wild and offer 3.5/V6 in Accord (at least in one trim) with 280 HP which will match Passat's 3.6/V6 and beat everybody else in the class.
  • bristol2bristol2 Member Posts: 736
    Honda's focus would have to be on the interior to compete with Passat in my opinion.
    I don't believe (again opinion) that Passat buyers are looking for performance (Audi and BMW are more likely for that buyer) but they are looking for something 'luxurious'. The Accord is certainly content rich and an excellent vehicle (it is all the 'luxury' I need right now) but does not seem to compete with the Passat on interior style.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    I may be in the minority, but to me, ergonomics and lasting quality of material is on top. VW seems to put fancier stuff in, that ages rather badly (I'm comparing two VWs belonging to my friends which have fewer miles combined, compared to my 1998 Accord).
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    I don't know about badly. My father has a 2000 Passat wagon with 175,000 miles and it still looks very nice inside and out. No mechanical problems either for that matter - aside from maintenance.
  • dolfan1dolfan1 Member Posts: 218
    While people shopping for a new vehicle in this class may consider a Subaru or VW, I think you'll find Honda is primarily concerned with the competition from Nissan and Toyota.
  • bristol2bristol2 Member Posts: 736
    I agree completely.
    I don't think the Accord and Passat share a lot of the market. My opinion was in reponse to a thread about the Passat's hp vs. the Accord's and the relative importance of hp to the buyer.
  • roofie1roofie1 Member Posts: 1
    I'm wondering if the '08 coupe willhave a 4 cylinder in EX model. I want to buy one with all the bells and whistles, but in a 4 cylinder.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    I'm sure the tradition will continue... you should be able to find Coupe EX/I-4.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    If i had to but an 07 passat or accord, I'd actually choose the Passat. It has more features and is a bit on the $$$ side. BUT!! The passat doesn't have a diesel YET and that's what I have my mind set on now. I say the two do compete and are very similar. Not to mention the passat's 0-60 in 5.5secs.

    -Cj
  • topgun7topgun7 Member Posts: 412
    " currently have a 2003 TSX with a lease expiring the end of October. I pay about $380/month. I'm considering leasing a 2008 Accord, preferably what is equivalent to the current 6 cylinder EX model (6 cylinders, leather, satellite radio, and 6CD, but I don't need a nav system). I'd like to shave $40-50 off my monthly lease payments. Do you think that's do-able considering the Accord will be newly released? What price range are we looking at with the new Accords? "

    No, you probably won't be able to get one with 380 for 3yr 12 kmi lease at the beginning. You can look at the deals available for 07 right now. They are selling at about invoice or invoice - 500 and Honda subsides the money factor. You can get roughly 310-320 not including tax for 3 yr 12kmi. When the 08 launch, it will be selling at MSRP and Honda won't susides the money factor. So it is likely that you will be paying closer to 7.2% (or 0.003 money factor) instead or the current one (0.0005 money factor or 1.2% interest rate). So I am guessing that you will be closer to 420 or so for the v6 EXL model (assuming that Honda keep the same model designation and content more or less the same) without tax at the beginning.. And with this kind of money, you can get a 07 G35. But that is the kind of problem for a newly launched model which everyone have to have one...
  • dolfan1dolfan1 Member Posts: 218
    As I understand it, the diesel Honda will market soon in the U.S. is the same design that has been available in Europe for several years. Considering it won't even be launched til '09, I'd think most people would assume they'd be getting the latest technology. Is the current engine really that good?
    Or am I mistaken and the engine will be updated?
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Europe is 2.2. U.S. is 2.4-2.5 It's state of the art high pressure common rail.
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    It will be basically the same engine technology with extra emission stuff added to meet US rules. The displacement/config might change depending on application (inc a V6 for SUVs) but the basic technology will be the same.

    The supposed launch is for MY09 which means it could be here in a year.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Member Posts: 1,724
    With the new 08 coming out, I was thinking of trading in when they arrive, but in reality, it is true, I probably will not be able to get what I want without jumping up in payment. Dealerships are going to use that excuse of being new for a long time. I do however plan to make a deal at a non commissioned dealership. I am currently in a lease, and does not expire til Jan 09, I'll probably wait until Jan 08 to make a deal, so that it calms down a little. But I will still try when they come out, just for kicks. I really want to get the coupe with leather, sunroof. Perhaps a V6, but more than likely the I4. I drive a honda, so I do not have negative equity.
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Consider waiting longer to see the diesel Accord in fall '08.
  • jchan2jchan2 Member Posts: 4,956
    Why not just wait until your lease on your current car expires in '09? By that point, Accords will be discounted down to slightly over invoice, and Honda may have a lease deal or two out there. Plus, you can take a look at the Diesel at that point (according to blufz1)
  • dolfan1dolfan1 Member Posts: 218
    But of course, we'll all still be in the same boat as the people awaiting the new '08. When the diesel debuts, buyers will probably have to wait until spring or summer of '09 before a decent deal can be made.
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Might be a loooong wait for the prices of the diesels to go down. Should be fun.
  • rv65rv65 Member Posts: 1,076
    I hear that the top end v6 models get rain sensing wipers. They are looking into all kinds of tech features like weather and traffic info but that is unconfirmed. Honda will be putting in bluetooth for the navi models. Maybe certain non navi trims.
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    Now that external audio input is just about a must on all cars, BT seems to be the next thing. Everyone's answer to hands free cell phone in the car.

    The few interior shots of the new Accord seem to indicate that all models might have an LCD interface screen (not just the NAV models). That might be another thing that Honda does to differentiate itself in this almost commodity class.
  • goodegggoodegg Member Posts: 905
    I hear that the top end v6 models get rain sensing wipers.

    My 01 Accord had rain sensing wipers. When I sensed rain I turned the wipers on.
  • maddog11maddog11 Member Posts: 42
    I have heard this about the rain sensing wipers and about bluetooth technology from someone who works for a Honda dealer. The traffic/weather info I have not heard anything about. Honda claims the 2008 Accord will have more technological features than any other car in its class.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    Because someone works at a Honda dealer, doesn't mean they have inside information months before the release of a new model.

    They don't disclose secret information to dealership employees because it's human nature to blab about it and it serves no purpose for them to have that information before the car is out.
  • maddog11maddog11 Member Posts: 42
    Actually you are right about human nature and blabbing. This particular dealership employee had this info blabbed to him from an employee of AHM. Usually rumored info from this particular dealership employee turns out to be fact. The point of my post was that I've heard some of the same rumors the other poster had; this info of course may not turn out to be correct.
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