Stories from the Sales Frontlines

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  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Two months ago we were having dinner with another couple. The wife tells me that her husband bought a new car couple months back trading in his 2002 M3. So I asked him what he bought. He said a Porche Boxter. I replied isnt' that a girls car?

    Fast forward to yesterday. I ran into the husband at a local pub. He comes up to me and tells me that since I made that statement he traded the porche for another one. I asked which one and he says a Carrera 4S. I asked him...what no turbo? Sorry I can't post his reply as it would be a violation of the terms of agreement here at Edmunds. Must be nice to have that kind of money. I'm wondering if he will own a turbo the next time I see him...
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Yep and isell refers to him as "some kind of mobster" :D
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    No, I was talking about the actor in the original movie. Seems like "Sonny" something? That is where that quote first came from.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,412
    "...Isn't that a girls car?..."

    Personally I would like to drive a girls car. If the girls all like it they might not notice the old fossil driving it and get in. ;)

    BTW, I've never been clear on what makes a car a "girls" car. Is it the "bra" on the front?

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    I first saw the boxter in a TV series filmed in Palm Beach called Silk Stalkings. It was driven by a female detective. Thus the association.
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    That guy must be pretty insecure and has loads of money. What a shame.
    What really constitutes a "girl's car or chick car?" The fact that women know value when they see it? Looks, performance, reliability? Mack Jr. was beginning to get an inferiority complex when he started seeing a lot of girls driving the Scion tC. He asked me with concern "Dad , is my car a chick's car? I'm seeing a lot of girls driving it." I told him don't worry they are about even in sales between men and women. Personally I have sold more to guys than girls. The xA was definitely a chick's car. All the xA's I sold were to women. Considering that most car purchases are influenced by women, I'd say all cars are chick cars. :)
    Mack

    Really slow around here today. Figures is the beginning of the month so most people are not thinking cars right now. It will get mad around here right before and after Christmas, the annual Toyotathon has begun!-
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  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    "That guy must be pretty insecure and has loads of money."

    Correct on both counts AND no kids. Bet his car salesperson is happy.

    How do those salespeople that sell rovers make a living? Visited the local dealer and all he had was CPO 04-05 which looked like they came off of lease. No new Range Rover or Sport available for sale. What's up with that?
  • gogiboygogiboy Member Posts: 732
    "Autos · Gorges & Company Volvo - The oldest existing Volvo Franchise in the United States; New and used car dealers in Wichita, Kansas".

    Joel--

    I don't know if they're the oldest Volvo dealership. I did buy my Toyota MR2 from their used car center about 8 years ago. The reason the name has stuck with me is that my wife had actually called to see if the car was still available and when she heard the dealership name she immediately freaked out. She thought the Gorges Motors was "Gorgeous" Motors and all she could picture was young men with greasy hair and badly capped teeth who wore fake gold watches and ill-fitting Italian suits. She was adamant that we wouldn't be traveling 150 miles to deal with a bunch of disreputable so-and-sos. For some reason when we determined it was "Gorges" that made it ok.

    Back in 1969 my folks bought a Ford from a dealership named Gene Butman. Probably not the best name for a dealership either, but still in business in Ypsilanti, MI How could anyone like "Butman Ford" on the "rear" of their ride? That Galaxy 500 ended up being my first car.

    Gogiboy
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,630
    It's a "cute" thing, I think.

    I drove an MGB (my first car) & enjoyed the dickens out of my two Miatas. All were considered "cute" & potentially girlie cars.

    Now, ask me if I care.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    I'm wondering if he will own a turbo the next time I see him...

    I think I have you figured out. You want him to buy, on his nickel, what you like so you can get a free no obligation test drive, right? I used to know someone like you. :D

    BTW, I remember Buddy Epson and Jack Lord but I don't remember that line by James Dean. I must have been on a test drive that day with one of my rich friends. :P

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Unfortunately he will not allow anyone, not even his wife drive his car. Well maybe the service tech but that's about it. His wife went against everyone's advice and got a Saab on a 3 year lease. Boy what an experience one that she says never again. Now owns a 2007 335i. Asked what she liked most about it...reply was the "OnStar". Go figure.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,412
    "...Toyotathon has begun..."

    Is that where people donate money to send a needy salesperson to camp? ;)

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Typical Land Rover not making enough vehicles.

    We are really concerned that we will run out of Range Rover Sports before the end of the year. We only have seven left right now and no more are coming before the middle of January.
  • lrguy44lrguy44 Member Posts: 2,197
    We were real short and just got 9 in. We (for the first time in quite awhile) are in pretty good shape going into December. Hawaii would be a whole different issue - small store outside the normal distribution channels.
  • sky23213sky23213 Member Posts: 300
    Really slow around here today. Figures is the beginning of the month so most people are not thinking cars right now

    Could be much worse - snow storm here. I guess it's very slow at the dealerships. Too bad that the guys miss a Saturday. I'm even debating if I should go to the store to get stuff for the grill tonight, otherwise will have to change to whatever is in the freezer. I just hope that the wind changes or quiets down - right know it blows straight into the deck.
    The only thing I'm taking out is the snowblower - actually can't wait. I'll also try my new garage treat - stereo on the wall, combined with wireless headphones. Those would serve also as noise protection (and earmuffs in the winter). Scored those for 14.99 on Black Friday morning. Vroooom!
    Best thing about winter work - ice in your scotch doesn't melt :)
    Good Luck today, Mac. And as always I keep my fingers crossed for your treatment to go well.
  • epineyepiney Member Posts: 462
    What did you buy? Lexus? I'm still waiting for my IS350.

    I finally picked up my 08 GS. They just released them. It arrived on the 29th and I picked it up on the 30th. I waited so long, almost went out and bought a Cadillac CTS instead.

    I asked about your IS350. They said a guy who can't tell the difference between a Camry and ES should stick with a Corolla :P :blush:
  • benzserviceguybenzserviceguy Member Posts: 96
    AMEN, my brother!!

    ALWAYS looking to stir the pot ..
    We say Black, he says White
    We say Po-tato, he say Po-TATO

    Get the drift?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Doh I didn't even notice he was in Hawaii.

    Yeah that would make it very hard. It would almost be faster for Land Rover to send the cars the other way around the world to get them there.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    I mean mention super charged and all you'll get is a good laugh.
  • benzserviceguybenzserviceguy Member Posts: 96
    Here is a semi list of "girl" cars:

    ANYTHING VW - especially a cabrio (now EOS) & Jetta
    Mazda Miata
    BMW 318i (coupe & convertible) - NO longer made
    MB SLK (any model) & c230 Coupe (looks like a REEBOK sneaker) 2 door hatchbak
    Porsche Boxter (non-S version)
    Mitsubishi Spyder
    Lexus SC430

    Any 1 care to add anything else?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    I would agree on the VWs except for the GTI and R32. Miata has the perception of a girls car but it isn't really. It has its own spec racing series.
  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    I will add the Warriors in Pink Edition Mustang

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,412
    "...Here's a semi list of girls cars..."

    OMG! I like about half of that list! What will I do now? I guess I'll have to go down to the local bar and start a fight or something to reaffirm my manhood! :mad: :cry:

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    That looks like a Susan Komen for breast cancer ribbon.
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    Well, some people say the IS is built on a Corolla chassis. It's hard to tell nowadays what Toyota builds on what platform.
    Speaking of chick cars, check out this 2006 Porsche Cayenne test drive. Gorgeous, and I don't mean the car.!

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  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    Gogiboy, what year is your MR2? I had an 88 t-top 5spd NA that was a blast to drive!
    Looked like this:image

    It was midnight blue and I should have never sold it!

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  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    You could say that. Cash Blast 2008 is in September but the contest usually begins in December or January. Got to sell at least 75 cars in a four month period to qualify and CSI must be in the Green zone. I've been there a few times and you never forget the first time. After that all are re-runs and you're just waiting to go up on stage and get you pull money and hope to win a door prize which some years have been 5k,10,15k,20k a couple of new cars, diamond bracelets, Rolex watches. You name it. It's only for the CAT region and an event I will never forget.
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  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    It is, Ford is donating $250 for the sale of each unit with the package to her foundation.

    Warriors in Pink
  • 604doc604doc Member Posts: 182
    Classic minis are cool, but new Minis are "chick" cars.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Nope go drive one. Most fun car I have ever driven.

    You might be able to make the argument that the early MINI Coopers with the CVT automatic are chick cars but that is it.
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,483
    I think that VWoA does not allow their convertibles to be sold to (or driven by) straight men.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • gogiboygogiboy Member Posts: 732
    Mack--

    My MR2 is a black 92 NA with barely 60K on the clock. The body and interior are nearly mint. Whenever I take it to the local Toyota dealership the service manager always tells me he has a couple of guys lined up who will buy it. It would be hard for me to part with because it's so cheap to service, insure and tag. I think in 8 years of ownership I've put in less than $750 including scheduled maintenance. The biggest expenditures were the timing belt and a couple of rear tires. What's not to love?

    I always marvel that a 15+ year old car can look so good--and that everything still works including the power antenna. The T-Tops don't even leak, not that I drive it in the rain anymore. I call it my fair weather friend. It does spend a lot of time under a car cover in the garage.

    Gogiboy
  • 604doc604doc Member Posts: 182
    I don't disagree that they are fun to drive, I just think they are perceived more as a girl's car, kinda like a VW Beetle.
  • gogiboygogiboy Member Posts: 732
    Oboyone and isell--

    The quote "Live hard, die young and leave a good-looking corpse" is usually attributed to a character in a late 40s film called Knock on Any Door. Bogart was in it, but the young thug who uttered the words was played by John Derek. Mr. Derek later went on to leave a bunch of good-looking corpses in his midst--metaphorically speaking--by marrying and divorcing Ursulla Andress, Linda Evans and Bo Derek. Then again, I guess those women have done quite well for themselves independent of Mr. Derek's influence.

    Now back to our regularly scheduled sales stories...

    Gogiboy
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    While eating my fat pill and drinking my morning cup of coffee, I was reading the Click and Clack column as I usually do on Sunday mornings. A woman writes that she has an 04’ Sienna that has had the sliding doors fall off both sides of her van (actually hanging on only by the hinges). I think she said this all happened within a month of each other (does the time period really matter).

    She paid the entire bill for the first but now that it happened to the other side she feels there is a design problem but the dealer says there is no TSB for this problem. She then goes to Toyota but no help there either. Click/Clack allude to the hinges being under rated for these doors for this year and that subsequent years have beefier hinges.

    Sooo, Toyota guru, what’s the story here? I know you know. :D

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    We are turning into a regular Mini Copper HQ's. We have traded for two in the last 10 days. The one we traded for last night was a S coupe or something. Supposed to be pretty quick. I may go drive it tomorrow
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    ... I just think they are perceived more as a girl's car, kinda like a VW Beetle.

    If that bothers you, if you hurry up, you might be able to catch up with 'oldfarmer'. The last we heard, he was going down to the corner bar to start a fight just to prove his manhood. Maybe the two of you can clean out the whole place. :P

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Oh yeah my MIIN was a Cooper S and you have to drive one if you get a chance. Wicked quick car. I could chirp the tires in the first three gears and it would cruise at 100 mph all day long.
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    Oh man! Your are making me cry! That's a beautiful car. How bout some pics? I would also get in line to buy it if you ever sold it.
    We have one of our regular customers that has a 93 Red Turbo with leather, t-tops and only 25k miles on the clock. I've known her since 97 when I started working here. I gave her my card and told her if she ever wants to sell it I'll be the first in line.
    She was in service a few months ago and the car just looks immaculate. Most of the guys were around it when they brought it out of the service bay.
    Mack
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    First I've heard of this. So the vehicle was out of warranty? Three years go by and suddenly the doors fall off the hinges? Something doesn't jive here. Give me more info and I'll check it out with my Master Tech. Even if it was not under warranty she should have asked the dealer for some consideration on the repair bill. A lot of times there are "good faith" repairs to keep customers happy. Depends on dealers though.
    I had a problem with the CV axles in my wife's 97 Camry. The replacements didn't do to good on the driver's side so about 8 months later after I talked to my mechanice and service writer they told me they would replace them at no charge. Worked for me.
    :)
    Mackabee
  • nic426nic426 Member Posts: 3
    Hey Mac, can you share some more inside info on changes coming to the 09 Camry. Will the fit and finish and quality of the interior materials be improved? Will it definitely be out in March 09. As a three time Camry owner, (94 LE, 98 LE, and current 03 XLE) I feel Toyota dropped the ball with the current edition. Thank You.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,412
    "...Maybe the two of you can clean out the whole place..."

    LOL!

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    It will be at dealers in January of 2008, in a little over a month. I'll get more info to you as I get it.
    Mack
    :)
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,728
    Is there a draft in here: click and clack

    You may need a registration and password to read the article. Go to bugmenot.com to obtain a name and password for pesky registrations at newspapers.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    I have heard of this problem on Siennas before. Not sure how common it is but I have heard about it more then once.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Thank you for that. I knew that is were those words came from but I sure didn't know it was John Derek!
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Butman? How did they ever sell a Probe?

    I admit to liking many things that are considered chick cars. I like the VW Cabrio I tired out. It was slow as hell but it drove like a VW which I mean in the best sense of the word.

    Miatas don't count. I'd take one in a minute.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    So you tired out a VW cabrio eh? congrats! :)
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Poor thing was probably exhausted and looked like this... :sick:

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    You'd d think so far its lack of acceleration. Wore it right out.

    I would have lived with the slowness but the truck was a little too small to fit a guitar in. I gotta have that.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
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