By accessing this website, you acknowledge that Edmunds and its third party business partners may use cookies, pixels, and similar technologies to collect information about you and your interactions with the website as described in our
Privacy Statement, and you agree that your use of the website is subject to our
Visitor Agreement.
Comments
I think a few cars have 5 link and hi-tensile strength steel, but not cars in this price range. That's why I think the Gen should be considered if someone wanted a Chrysler 300 or Pontiac G8. I don't think a BMW 5 Series or Mercedes E class owner will risk losing the things they know they like in their current choice.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
If it's a fairly simple deal, like no payments, cash only, I want $500 off this car, I'm ready to buy today, here's my deposit, then usually we can do it by ourselves, but 99% of the time we will run it by the manager just to make sure everything is honky-dory.
For example on the Internet, I'm allowed to give $500 off regular price, without checking with the manager to kick things off.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Actually I don’t think ‘driver’ was pointing out who was FIRST with that stuff but rather who has applied that technology BETTER today. I didn’t say Audi wasn’t good and there always has to be a first time developer but the article (which I think is by some professional group) that ‘driver’ quoted said someone does it better now.
In a couple years someone will do it even better than today. That’s progress.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Somewhere out there, there has to be a report/test/rating of the Genesis that says, “what’s all the hype about this car. It doesn’t do this and it doesn’t do that ” but I haven’t seen it yet. Now keep in mind it’s a family sedan so comparing it to a sports car is meaningless to me.
Right now I’m doing a test of my own. I’ve run regular gas since I got it last Saturday. Now I’m on the first grade of premium. I’ve only run it down the pike this morning with this and it was too foggy to play around too much but I haven’t detected any difference yet. Next, I’ll try the next grade of premium.
Who knows, maybe I’ll find something with how this thing goes.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
If we get close to a break even deal, we do pass it by the SM for the Papal blessing. Yes, we get paid on both front and back end.
Our customers love the concept.
I think with a higher end-lower volume store, you can do that, give more personalized service, as floor traffic is typically not that busy so you can focus on one customer more.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
There are those that will chide me because I think an Acura is worth more than its Honda cousin.
On the other hand, Mercedes just isn't worth the price to me....any of them. That's blasphemy to some. Their steep slide in reliability rankings over the last several years just compound their problems.
If a Genesis can do 95%-99% of a BMW 5 series, Lexus GS, Infiniti M, Mercedes E series, etc (and I think it can) then I do consider it competition to them. Just because it does so at a much lower price point doesn't mean it doesn't compete.
What does the E series, 5 series, GS, etc owner lose with a Genesis? No doubt some cachet. Perhaps the latte machines in the customer lounge, the free WiFi service, or the flat screen TV in the waiting area. Maybe have to suffer some derision by the neighbors who own those other premium brands. But, as nice as those things are, they don't hold much benefit to me. I'm even betting I can negotiate a free service loaner from a Hyundai dealership as part of any deal.
Personally, whether I end up owning a Genesis or not, I do think it's one of those cars that upsets the apple cart. The Genesis coupe does the same thing.
I keep thinking that Infiniti and Lexus did the same exact thing about 25 years ago.
Richard
Did you use to post as BritishRover??? Or was that somebody else?
Back on topic - have there been any studies done on where your approach yields more profit in "F&I" than the normal dealership. In one aspect, I can see the customer being more relaxed moving from the deal to finance with the same person and perhaps you can get a little more profit on the back end. Whereas, in a typical dealer the customer is ready for Round 2 or 20 with the F&I and is ready to go in swinging???
You do lose the whole good cop/bad cop approach with your system, though??
Since we live on repeat and referral business, the final outcome is a success only with a satisfied customer.
GG, I don't either in most cases. If I buy aluminum foil I don't care if it is Reynolds or No-name. But, if I buy ketchup I prefer Heinz. I don't care if I get no-name garbage bags, but I do find Edge shaving gel is a little better quality than no-name.
I am sure that the Gennie is a fine car and I wouldn't hesitate to buy one if I tried it and liked it. But, I know what I have got with a Bimmer, and there is a certain handling quality and engineering standard that I doubt can be matched by the copy cat guys (they might have surpassed the benchmark in some areas, but I'll stick with the benchmark car for now). I would be willing to try, and I'll have an open mind.
They have these Toyota ads in Canada now that say why buy a car that is trying to match the Corona, when you can just get a Corona.
I also wouldn't hesitate to buy a Mercedes because it is lower in JD Powers surveys. Even though their record is not as stellar as it once was I think you can be confident you are getting a fine car if you buy a Benz. It has nothing to do with the nameplate, that doesn't mean much to me. It is the car that is under the nameplate which has a proven record of making fine cars, and you can make a great car, but just might not be able to capture the heart and soul of the benchmark car - that's what concerns me.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
When I worked the Auto Show recently, the Acura booth was right next to Hondas and I heard a LOT of comments to that effect and I have to agree.
It's all subjective, I'm sure some like that look?
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
if you have one on your new car, contact the company directly, if god forbid, you swap it for another one.
i think keeping the top down under the tonneau cover is the best thing for it.
the interior gets some extra exposure to the sun, though.
owner of a 19 year old convertible with 34k miles on it.
i think we are ok with their website prices, so i say we will take a test drive saturday, which is now tomorrow.
after that, my wife says we can't do that we are spending the day at a school fundraiser.
i emailed the dealer that we can't make it saturday with the above explanation (true) and will have to figure out when we can test drive.
hopefully next week.
OK, that’s you and we’ve been through this before but it is paramount to a lot of owners.
It is the car that is under the nameplate
That’s the way I feel and BTW you’ll appreciate this the Genny has those cute outside mirrors that rotate downward when you put the car into reverse. I couldn’t help but think of you when I noticed this. Not so sure how valuable they are but they are cute.
I still haven’t figured out what all the buttons on that thing do. :confuse:
Now the throttle I've got that down pretty good.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
i am not saying it is a bad thing, you should just be aware that it is not being done without a service charge.
i am happy got what is supposed to be a great car.
Richard
Any special method the lot tots have in removing snow? I would think pushing heavy icy snow across the roof or hood of a car could leave microscopic scratch marks. Hope they are using O Cedar soft bristle brooms... not the old granny straw brooms.
Just like the color, right? :P
Richard
So you know about O Cedar brooms, do you? Aren't they good? O Cedar also makes great mops for your home. We use them for our tile floors in the kitchen and Florida room. They get up more dirt, leave less streaks, and rinse out better than any mops we have tried.
Richard
Once you get used to it you will really appreciate those tilting side mirrors. One time they are really handy is if you are backing into a space and you if you don't have a car to line it up with...you will see the white line and you can easily tell exactly where you should be.
You can live without these things but once you have it you don't want to be without it. I used to think it was silly having a remote control for the TV, I thought you have to be pretty lazy if you can't get up every hour to change the channel.
Another thing I have which you probably have, and I only found this out by accident is;
Let's say the car is locked. I don't have to press the remote control. If I am close to the car and pull the door handle up it will unlock. Same with the passenger side.
I just pulled on it by accident when it was locked and found it will unlock.
And of course the memory in the power seats and rear view mirror. If I use my key to open the door and start the car it goes to my settings - Memory 1. If my wife opens the door with her key it goes to her setting - Memory 2!
They should have a course you can take to find out how everything works.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
A. Michelin---$605
B. Goodyear Fortera---$615
C. Bridgestone---$625
Thanks!
Richard
Richard
Kinda redundant when you have a back up camera.
Another thing I have which you probably have, and I only found this out by accident is;
Let's say the car is locked. I don't have to press the remote control. If I am close to the car...
Yes I have that feature but a good walk around by your salesman would have brought this to your attention. That was the first thing he showed me.
And of course the memory in the power seats and rear view mirror. If I use my key to open the door and start the car it goes to my settings - Memory 1. If my wife opens the door with her key it goes to her setting - Memory 2!
She ain't drivin that beauty. Both of those memories are for me. Normal driving and a quick get away position. :P
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Is that what's recommended for this car? I doubt it for the kind of hp I've seen in reviews, so why cheap out?
If you really want to save money that bad why not throw out the owner's manual and make up your own stuff. I find those recommendations to put air in the tires and oil in the engine just a way for the dealer to rip me off, so I think I'll eliminate them.
Then we can help each other push our cars back and forth. :P
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Because good old Coors is cheaper and you don't have to put that slice of lime in the bottle. :P
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Once you sign you read the fine print. Transportation and delivery could be up to 25% extra, a handling fee of 8%, you can't return anything and if you have a problem you have to talk to the manufacturer. Most of the people complaining could buy for less by shopping around. You are limited to what Direct Buy has in their catalogue.
They talked to the manager of a Direct Buy outlet and of course she said there was no pressure and people had 3 days to change their mind...though this has never been done.
I always stay away from ads that show lots of happy people who have outsmarted the system, and from money up front before receiving services. Too see more;Direct Buy
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I am proud of you boy! Hopefully you will never need those airbags, but it does give some piece of mind.
We moved into this house last August, and for the first time I wanted to get an alarm system installed. I don't know how necessary it is, but sometimes there's strange noises (even though the house is only 2 years old), like a bump or thud in the night, and the nice thing is, if the alarm doesn't go off, I know I can turn over and go back to sleep....I don't have to stay awake and hope it isn't someone walking around.
My motto is, buy as much safety as you can afford......but get the car you like too!
I don't think I would buy a GM if it didn't have all the safety features, accidents happen too easily and are often out of your control......life and limbs are hard to replace.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I'm with you on that. It took me years before I would pay for a membership at Sam's Club. $5K for a membership would give me a heart attack. :surprise:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
JM, What doesn't that car have?
I know. It can't park itself, but with the mirrors and cameras that's not a big problem.
Can you go 15,000 miles between oil changes?
One more thing...I don't want you to hurt that 375 hp engine. If it calls for premium gas use premium gas. You won't get any advantage using regular, you might save a few cents at the pump but it won't work as efficiently and you'll end up paying for less mileage anyway. Also, it might affect your warranty.
Oh yeh, and weren't you the guy who said to me, why do you need all that extra horsepower and handling unless you are racing around?
It's just so you can drive safer and can always be in control. Learn that answer because people will be asking you.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
B. Goodyear Fortera---$615
C. Bridgestone---$625
Richard, an excellent site to compare these 3 brands would be;
Compare
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
But some of us don't mind paying extra for the really good stuff :P :P
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Regular for the V6 and premium for the V8.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
When we moved into our current house we took our old alarm system with us. Its organic, mobile and fully automated.
My motto is, buy as much safety as you can afford
My motto is "It's 5 o'clock somewhere". That being said the best safety system which trumps everything else combined is the nut behind the wheel. A good defensive driving course with time behind the wheel can do wonders.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Back when the Earth was cooling being a porter was my after school job, we used the shimmies that we used to was and dry the cars.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Also, I THINK the sales person said that maintenance on the V8 is less than with the V6. V8 only needs oil, filter changes. Transmission goes for 100K miles before maintenance is needed. V6 trans needs service every 30K. Not sure, but I think even the coolant is good for 100K miles.
Might be an issue for Hyundai since they have a 100K warranty on the powertrain.
I was always a little skittish with the BMW 3 calling for oil changes at 10K+ miles. That car didn't even have a dipstick. :surprise:
I used to think I was pretty knowledgeable about oil changes, quality of gasoline, etc.
Now, there's a ton of FUD out there about the effectiveness of premium gas over regular. Same goes for the effectiveness of oil after, say 7K miles.
These days, I don't know what, or whom to believe.
Neither corona nor coors is the really good stuff.
IPA's for everyone
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
What if you go through an intersection on a green light, but the other guy goes through a red light?
What if you are on a 2 lane road and the other guy falls asleep and comes at you head on?
What if you are on a highway and the drunk guy comes on the highway from the exit ramp?
What if you are parked at the end of a dead end street and a drunk lady comes down the street at full speed, doesn't realize you are sitting in your car or that there is a car parked at the end of the street?
All these things have happened over the last few months where I live. You could be the best driver in the world, but you can't defend yourself against what other people might do.
My wife and daughter were in our pick up truck...stopped to make a left turn into a gas station. The car behind swerved onto the gravel and went around. The transport truck behind him drove right into the back of the pick up and sent it across the highway into a ditch. They went to the hospital and they were all ok fortunately.
However, we don't mess around any more. I taught driving to high school students so I should be a pretty good driver (if you do a survey everyone thinks they are above average - which is impossible), but I know I have made mistakes, but even worse, there are some people driving around out there who are pretty scary, so I'll take all the protection I can get.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250