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I've gotten the very same line from dealers and but you know darned well they know about us. Their body language tells it all.
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Richard
I'm still holding out hope for Chrysler.
Richard
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
About 10 months later I came on this site to see what the fuss what all about, and been here ever since.
When selling Hondas I acutally encouraged customers to go on the site as it's a good source for info. I'm not too worried about pricing or TMV because we're in Canada and the prices are very different so it doesn't affect me.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Actually, I remember buying an Edmunds magazine off a rack when I was in high school
Of course, that was before Al Gore invented the internet.
Not to be ignored, but sometimes due to local market conditions, recon required, etc. all sites like Edmunds, KBB, NADA published market values must be overcome. People think they are gospel when they are just a guide. I guess as a last resort one could tell the customer to call Edmunds,(KBB, NADA, Etc.) and ask them what THEY will buy your trade for.
"Although that the sticker price on the car I wanna buy is $37800, Edmunds says that TMV is $23746, and in Auto Trader my trade ins are "going for" $15000 and you're only offering me $6500, so I want to pay a difference of $10746, and make it OTD and we'll have a deal."
ooooooooookkkk :lemon:
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Not to mention in a customer satisfaction survey in England Fiat came 28th out of 28! :sick: .
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Edmunds et al aren't in the business of buying used cars. However the dealer is trying to lower their price paid to you for your car based on those values being too high; however when selling the used car, I'll bet they use those pricings to the potential buyer to justify how correctly they have the used vehicle priced.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I dont know if this is a recent phenomenon or if it is with some dealers or car makers.
I was surfing the local Ford dealer`s website and there was a window sticker link next to each model.
It was the exact window sticker which is displayed on each car on the lot.The window sticker with all the details,epa mileage,MSRP,destination charge,any option package and the final MSRP. Maybe they scan it and then display it online.
So u know the exact price on that model on the lot ,,the exact on the lot window sticker can be seen online..So any dealer mark ups,pinstriping,vin etching,etc etc can be seen.
B`cos even though u know the TMV of the model u want with options,,each dealer can add on all these plus his own fees--cust.satisfaction/receptionist satisfaction/happiness fees etc etc
But with the window sticker online at this dealer`s website,u could see exactly what options were there,,any dealer add ons,, MSRP with dest. charge etc etc for each model on the lot.I think this is a very transparent move on the dealer`s part.
So for each car , u can see the actual window sticker online from the comfort of your house.
This was at a Ford dealer,so , I checked the other nearest Ford dealer`s website,,about 20 miles away,,to see if it was Ford policy or a dealer choice.Well the other Ford dealer did not have the window sticker.He just had the stock photo with MSRP and regular specs and the regular generic online details.
I checked other dealers websites[ Toyota/Honda/Dodge etc ] to see if it was regional or a local thing but nope..none of them had the window sticker online.
So --- Is this a recent phenomenon?Is it dealer specific or is it a chain dealer policy?Like one chain dealer has it but other doesn`t?Even though a single chain may be selling different makes?
But for me that would make shopping for a new car online very transparent,,easy and effortless with complete info at your fingertips,,literally!! :shades: :P
You're saying that Edmunds, KBB, Blackbook, aren't used for the retail pricing.
How do you determine pricing a trade-in?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Through actual auction reports.......
GP
I think it is Ford policy to display the window sticker online with MSRP,packages,dest .charge.All Ford dealers have it.I overlooked at one of the dealer`s websites I had checked.
So,does only Ford do this?Any other makes?This is a good move,I guess.
Again,pardon my ignorance,,if this has been the case at Ford or other manuf. for some time now :shades: :P ..I saw it recently,,so I am posting!!
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
That, by the way, was my point. Guides do not buy ad sell cars.
LOL ! With the size of his carbon footprint his nickname should be Sasquatch !
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
back in 02, when i bought my explorer, i don't remember looking at any msrp stickers online.
we just went over to the lot and started looking at vehicles.
in 04, when we bought 2 vehicles, i definitely recall looking at the window stickers online.
we just bought an escape, and i must have looked at dozens of window stickers online. my wife kept changing her mind as to what she wanted.
we ended up buying a vehicle, due to the salesman.
basically, we had gone to one dealer, test drove a couple of vehicles and had gotten jerked around a bit.
when we went to the another dealer, where we just bought our 9th vehicle, it just worked out.
Richard
PLEEEEEASSSSEEE!!! I've just had bad news about my convertible, and you post this! I put up the garage door this afternoon to get in the Explorer. As I walked by the Chrysler, I noticed some brown streaks on the right lower fiber glass bumper. I ran my hand over them. It was NOT dirt. I stood there thinking for a moment how this could have happened. I remembered that yesterday afternoon my wife drove the car for her first time to a meeting. I decided to ask her if she knew what might have happened. When I approached her, she said, "I was dreading telling you about it. I know how you love the car. When I left the meeting, I was waving good-bye to a friend and backed into a light pole." You guys would be proud of me. Ten years ago I would have cursed, ranted, and raved. I just stood there and calmly said that I would have it repaired. Then she said the most unbelievable thing---"Honey, I bet the Chrysler place can just wash those streaks off with something that they keep in the body shop." :sick: I told her that her suggestion would not work. Then she suggested that the body shop paint the bumper. I then tried to explain that the fiber glass would not hold or absorb the paint. Then she made the ultimate closing statement---"I know that you will figure out what to do."
Richard
You handled perfectly, as your training has taught you. Someone sent me a rather long but excellent email explaining the 90/10 rule. Basically, 10% of what happens to you will happen - 90% is how you react. The example they give is it is breakfast time and little girl moves and spill her dad's coffee on his shirt. He yells at kid, he changes shirt, yells at daughter and wife, makes daughter late for the school bus - so he has to drive her to school, forgets his briefcase, he is late for work, gets speeding ticket, wife is upset etc etc. The point is, the coffee got spilt - that was the 10%, he could have avoided the whole bad day (the other 90%) if he just said be more careful in the future dear, changed his shirt got his briefcase and went to work.
You did that, no use getting all mad and upset when it won't solve the problem, but will create a lot more problems. Nicely done!
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
When your wife does something like THAT and you still forgive her, It sounds like true love for sure!
My wife stepped in gum and dragged it into my new car a while back. If it had been anyone else who had done that I would be posting from prison. :mad:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
a few weeks ago, my daughter reported a problem when driving the explorer.
the o/d light flashed on/off and there was a message to check the transmission.
i drove it the next day and everything was fine.
turned out, you needed to drive it for a while for the light/message to display. bottom line is i just bought a new transmission.
not only that, i had the rear suspension rebuilt a few weeks before that.
considering how we use it, i probably should have bought an expedition.
one time, we dropped my older daughter at a medical 'space camp' in philadelphia.
on the way home on an unfamiliar highway driving my usual speed back then (120 kph), have slowed down since, we got completely airborn. :surprise:
i was amazed 'nothing' happened. well maybe 3 years later something happened.
Old Farmer: Gum would be terrible to remove from the carpet! Glad that you are safely at home and not in prison.
Explorer: It just goes to show that you don't have to look far to see people with bigger problems.
Richard
I am a believer in O'Tooles Commentary on Murphy's Law which states that Murphy was being optimistic.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
it is sort of an icon with the kids, their friends and our's too.
it has been on dozens of road trips from sault saint marie to the north, myrtle beach to the south and indiana to the west.
mud up to the wheel centers, water over the top driving through floods, 20 inches of snow, buried in the sand on the outer banks.
i am not complaining.
Dog died.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
But there are more important things in life.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Ten years ago huh? Well, I guess there's still hope for me then. I would have flipped my lid. :sick:
Stuff like that never seems to happen when you have an older car. We had our MPV only a year or two when it was attacked by a crack addicted pit bull, while my wife was house shopping. Started chewing and ramming its head into our rear bumper. Quite frightening as my kids were with her. I asked my wife why she just didn't take off ... dog be damned. She said the kids were hollering to be careful and not run over the dog.
Anyhow, your new car had been initiated and sacrificed to the new car gods, so you shouldn't have any more problems with little nicks or fender benders.
But my experience has been that bad things come in threes.
I'd advise driving the Explorer a lot in the near future.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Some body places run specials where they clean up (smooth out scratches, etc.) and re-shoot your bumpers for ~$99. Certainly worth a try.
Bumpers aren't cheap. My front one got damaged (past the point of fixing) and it was +/- $650 for a new one (from Honda, for an Accord) including paint and install (at a local body shop).
Which is why for the last 3 years I have been driving around with a big hole in my front bumper!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
It brings perspective on the important things like nothing else.
So, by effectively taking over Chrysler, problem solved. Tweak and rebadge what makes sense, and sell it alongside what is worth keeping from the Mopar world (basically just the minivan, Ram PU, and the "real" Jeeps). So what it gets called a Dodge or Chrysler if they don't want to use the Fiat name!
THey have some tasty stuff now. COuld be interesting. And there will be plenty of manufacturing capacity over here to produce it locally.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I have no idea on the statistics, so I won't make up something. But it always seems like the back bumper is the most prone to getting hit.
Here is my advice. If there is no crack in the bumper, just wait 6 months or until next spring to get it fixed. Chances are wife or kids will cause another ding and this way you can save some money and only get it fixed 1x rather than 2x. Or if you get lucky someone will bump into you and their insurance will pay for the repair!!
Problem solved. :P
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Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Stickguy: Bless your heart. You make me feel better. The bumper is not dented or cracked. She was backing up slowly and it just appears to be streaks of brown from the pole. It would be wonderful if they could buff it and paint it. I'll sure ask.
Golic: Why does your post not make me feel better?
Rioadburner: You planned it just right, didn't you?
Jipster: You would have remained cool. Team captains have to set the example for the crew.
Actually, I have figured out that this accident was my fault. I told her to take the convertible because I needed the Explorer to go to the nursery to pick up some plants for potting. I should have kept my mouth shut, read the paper, and taken a nap. :sick:
Richard
Thus, the name, bumper
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
First off don't blame yourself you weren't driving. Secondly on a side note my neighbor has a Mustang convertible. I saw them coming home one time in the Mustang, top down with a couple of large potted plants in the back seat. Got to admit plenty of head room with the top down.
Anyway I hope you are enjoying that ragtop, I certainly am enjoying mine.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
His latest caper is taking off with a lexus from a used car dealer. I can't help but smile when I read the part, how after smashing the car, he escapes the car and "grabs a stroller" to mingle in with a crowd of people to avoid detection.
This could be the "modern day" Frank Abignale who was chronicled in the movie "Catch me if you can'.
Now to stay on topic - How does a 15 year old with no license, no insurance able to take a car out for a test drive? Does any one have any horror stories of losing a car on a test drive - and if so - does that pretty much mean, clear out your desk/cubicle?
www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-cop-impersonatormay05,0,4046346.story
chicagotribune.com
Teen in cop-impersonator case caught in a different role
15-year-old allegedly duped salesman and drove off in car
By Angela Rozas and Carlos Sadovi
Tribune reporters
May 5, 2009
This time, it was a spiffy suit and tie that allegedly got the 15-year-old behind the wheel of a car.
The Chicago boy was charged with stealing a used Lexus from a dealer Friday by pretending he was in the market to buy a car.
The same boy allegedly fooled Chicago police officers earlier this year into believing he was one of their own and allowing him to drive a squad car on patrol. The Tribune isn't naming him because he's a juvenile.
Wearing a suit and tie, the teen showed up Friday at the dealership in the 7200 block of South Western Avenue and inquired about a 1990 black Lexus four-door car. A salesman offered the teen a test drive, and the teen got into the vehicle. But the car's battery was dead so the salesman went to get a battery charger, said police spokesman Roderick Drew.
After charging the battery, the salesman offered to go with the teen for a spin but told the teen he had to return the charger. When the salesman returned, the teen was gone, and the car was too, Drew said.
For the next three hours, the teen, who doesn't have a license, allegedly drove the car around before raising the suspicion of two Chicago police officers when he cut them off in traffic. Deputy Supt. Daniel Dugan and a police officer were leaving a roll call and on their way to dinner when the teen allegedly swerved into their lane, police said.
The officers noticed the vehicle did not have license plates and attempted to pull the teen over, police said.
The teen did not stop but instead led police on a chase through a McDonald's parking lot and more traffic before he allegedly crashed the vehicle into a light pole, knocking it down, police said.
The teen ran off near 95th and State Streets, at one point allegedly grabbing a stroller to pretend like he was part of the crowd, police said. It was not clear if the stroller was empty.
The teen, believing he was no longer being followed, let go of the stroller and continued walking when Dugan grabbed him, police said. The teen struggled with the deputy superintendent before breaking free. Dugan sprained his ankle in the struggle, but his partner grabbed the teen a short time later and arrested him, police said.
The teen appeared Monday in Juvenile Court, charged with possession of a stolen vehicle, criminal trespassing, driving without a license, driving without insurance, leaving the scene of a crash and driving without registration.
He was on electronic monitoring since February after being released from custody for allegedly impersonating a Chicago police officer a month earlier. Then 14, the teen allegedly drove a police vehicle with an officer and interacted with the public for five hours before a supervisor figured out he was not an officer. A family friend at the time said the teen was enamored with policework after being a part of the department's youth "Explorer" program.
It was unclear Monday whether any officials had noticed he was not at home or school at the time of his latest alleged caper. The teen is expected in court for both the stolen vehicle case and officer impersonation case on May 28.
The officers who arrested the teen didn't know he was the alleged cop impersonator until after he was taken into custody, police said.
"Not all minor traffic stops are what they appear," Dugan said in a statement.
arozas@tribune.com
csadovi@tribune.com
Exactly. Your post beat me to it.
I’m sure he can be blamed for plenty around his house. Why take the blame when you’re not the one that banged up the bumper. I sure didn’t take the blame when Mrs. jmonroe whacked the passenger side mirror on her 2 month old 06’ Sonata that was just traded in. That car was traded with the mirror still in her “needs more practice pulling out of the garage condition”. :mad:
Taking the blame for something that you didn’t do never solved anything. Placing the blame where it belongs is what has to be done to teach lessons. You’d think a “teacher” would know this. :confuse:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Richard
Richard
Still, whenever I travel to Europe, Fiats are everywhere (especially their 500s)...even taxis. So, someone must like their vehicles.
Chrysler gets new models with little in the way of R&D. Fiat gets access to the U.S. market (again). Daimler and Cerebus eats Chrysler's debt (rightfully so). And, our government and the UAW get equity in a large car company. That's the part that scares me the most.
GEEZZZ that sounds like Irish guilt :surprise: But you may not be irish...
There you go again think with the right side of your brain... the emotional side...LOL
If the paint on the bumper is only sufaced scratched, you may be able to "wet sand" the vehicle... that is what i would suggest. It should only cost about $100 and it stays off the car fax report. If you paintit you are getting ins. companies involved but hey you do like things to be perfect
GP
Definatley a weak and rookie sales person. No matter what you have to check identity of a person. I highly doubt that person has a job now. Even managment will be in trouble for not being able to controll the sales floor. Bad day for everyone!
GP
LMAO....
Nothing like starting the day off with a few shots at Richard....LOL
Good to see you are your regular self JM...
GP