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Exactly!!!! Winner Winner Chicken dinner!!!!!
GP
Breville.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Breville.
Well, you learn something every day.
I thought New Zealand was weird enough.
It is a global community, and that is why we can get the best products at more reasonable prices. Can you imagine what the D3 cars would be like and how much they would be if it wasn't for the imports. We would still be driving in 1980 dinosaurs,
...........hey maybe that would be fun!!!!
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
We've had one or two here, but we got rid of them.
Richard
Don't feel bad, my wife found the brand at Williams-Sonoma- although they can also be found at Macys.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Richard
Sometimes its interesting to watch someones perception as it meets reality. Tell me have there been times when you were in school where you thought you did real good on a test or an assignment (perception) only to be shocked when you get the actual results.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I do know that checking the "remember me" box doesn't work very often anymore.
I have to type my information in every time which is a PITA.
Hyundais as used cars are simply soft and "back of book". They are not popular, at least in my neck of the book.
This may change in the future. I know that. I also know what the current conditions are. If resale doesn't matter to you, not a problem!
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No offense but it is a simple fact that you have a horse in the race would make one consider that it would influence you views on this.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I would agree with this, at least in the Northeast. As a matter of fact, I would say they are about the least desirable used car brand to have on a lot.
They can be a bargain for the buyer looking for something cheap, though.
I once had a school superintendent who said that "so and so" was a problem in our school district. I said that "so and so" was not true about our school system. He said that I was correct, but that "so and so" was perceived to be a problem for us. Therefore, the perception became reality as far as the community was concerned. It is very difficult to dispel a perception whether it is reality or not. The harder you try, the more that people think that you're covering up something. Remember the expression, "Me think that thou doest protest too much."? The degree of protest yields the degree of perception which yields the degree of reality. Unfortunate, but true.
Richard
The people who own these cars don't want to hear or believe this but it's the truth and the fact we sell other brands has nothing to do with the reality.
And I agree, as used cars, they can be a lot of car for the money.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
My friend got upset with sales people when he was looking for a CD player, a few years ago. When he went to one store the salesman told him carousel kind were better, because that is what they had on display. When he went to another store they had the stacking kind, and the salesman told him that was better.
Of course, it is human nature, to bring out the best features of the product you are selling, and I think that is perfectly honest...he is not giving you dishonest advice. The consumer can go to another dealer and find out the advantages of another make. All the salesman does is point out the advantages of his product and the consumer can weigh the facts.
Of course isell is going to be a little bit bias, he can't think in his mind that a Hyundai is a better car than a Honda. The fact is it is a better car for some people, but not for others. Although Hyundais get very good reviews for value, I have seen lots of comments about the sloppy steering (Not referring to a Gennie here). Someone who appreciates the feel of the road will probably prefer a Honda. Someone who wants to save money and get a descent car will choose the Hyundai. Isell is entitles to point out the advantages of a Honda, and that is all he has done, and he has been fair in his comments about the Hyundai.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Of course, I'm as guilty as anyone.
As long as we don't start comparing medications. That's when you belong in a retirement home.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I certainly agree. For some people a Hyundai is a better choice. It can also be argued that Hyundai is, now, where Toyota was in the early 70's - an under appreciated brand that will prove to be a better value than its competition.
However, the market hasn't caught up with that yet, and the soft resale values are a fact, not a perception. The logic on which those lower resale values are based may be fallacious but that does not change what the resale values are.
Thus, if you're a gambler who believes that the market perception will change before you trade in your car, or you keep your cars for a long time, the Hyundai will seem the better choice.
However, for the typical buyer. the Honda is still the safer choice.
"The race doesn't always go to the swift, but that's the way to bet."
Daymon Runyon.
If his dealership is one of those that closes, he has a Plan B. He will keep his service department, which is excellent, and turn the lot into a used car dealership. It's not his preference, but what can he do? He told me that he would continue to do the warranty work on my car, and that the government is supposed to back the warranties.
My dealer has not put any money away for a nest egg. Over the years, he put the profits back into his dealership---better salaries and benefits for his employees, new and increased advertising, building renovations, technology for his service department, etc. Not until this past January did he lay off eight employees in order to keep the business going. He definitely doesn't feel that he got the help that the financial institutions received. He says that he is not bitter, just sad that it has come to this. His daughter gets married this weekend. He is paying for a nice wedding, and says that it may be the last big ticket item that he can do for his family. He wanted her to have a good memory of the special day. I tell you guys that I had a lump in my throat. This dealer is such a great person. Yes, he made a mistake not saving some money for his retirement years, but I do admire him for taking care of his good employees and his business.
I do hope that tomorrow will bring him good news. He deserves it.
Richard
When I went in to pay the bill, the dealer had told the office that there was to be no charge to Mr. Richard for that repair!!! Considering what I told you in post 43016, isn't that just about the nicest thing that you have heard today? I am buying a new set of tires from him tomorrow for the Explorer...the Goodyear Forteras Triple Tread. He's giving me the fourth tire free...a deal that he offered me a month ago. Talk about customer loyalty? He gets my business as long as I own any cars.
Richard
Luckily the dealership closure announcement doesn't affect Canadian dealers as Chrysler Canada is not in the bankruptcy proceedings.
I would think that if for any reason we were to lose the Chrysler franchise, that we'd either buy a Kia or Hyundai franchise or just sell used cars.
It wouldn't bother me at all because jumping from brand to brand has taught me to find and bring out the best in any product, and as long as the working environment is good, then you can thrive selling almost anything.
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tidester, host
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That is really sad news. The owner took the risks and built a good business based on treating customers and employees fairly.
I hope he makes it. It sounds like there could be a lot of former D3 dealers who will be selling used cars, sounds like that market could get saturated pretty quickly.
I hope he makes it!
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
All this has one effect. I think I'll be driving my Toyota forever. The only way to whet my appetite for a new car was to see them up close and personal. Without going on the lots I don't get that new car (unit) feeling.
This is the first time since the 80s that I have a car without a Bumper to Bumper factory warranty. I sort of wonder if there are some specials I might find interesting, but I'll never know since I don't venture on the lots. Our newspaper was cancelled when they doubled the price and halved the delivery days so I have no idea what is for sale and where.
I saw the 2010 Mustang out in front of Huff Ford looking all spiffy with the new tail light angle and who knows what else. I can't tell you what they are asking because like I said I don't go on lots and disturb the sales folks since I'm not a right now buyer, but then I'll never be a buyer if I don't go on the lot. Catch 22.
Oh well, I have more cash than ever and the old Solara is running fine. Besides I don't want to look like a big spender in this economy. I think I'll not wash my car for a few more weeks so as not to stand out.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
Hope your dealership survives boom. How easy is it to get a Kia or Hyundai dealership? I don't think they would want to give out too many franchises and over do it like the D3. These days keeping lean is a big help.
Maybe they'll have Tata franchises soon - $2000 cars!
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
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Richard
Richard
I'll be turning 32 in a few months.
As for the other stuff I'm not really worried. I've never reallybeen a worry wart, or worrying type.
No point worrying about something that hasn't happenned yet, and when it does happen not according to plan, that's not a time to worry either, instead it's time to figure out another way.
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I was only stating fact. They have lousy resale value and to a lot of people, that is very important.
I recently drove an almost new Elantra (traded on an Accord). I wanted to see what it was like and I thought it was pretty nice. It reminded me of a Camry with it's soft, floaty ride. Not a knock. Some people actually perfer a soft ride over handling.
I just saw an Accord commercial on TV. They said Honda owners were the most loyal car buyers of all, and you can check it out at Edmunds.com.
They gotta be doing something right.
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We are total opposites, where are you from?
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Count me in on the softer ride. That’s why I traded Mrs. jmonroe’s 06’ Sonata for the Genny and kept my 05’ XG350. She didn’t like that idea at first since she was going to be the driver of the XG350 because she’s the type that doesn’t like the idea of getting used to another car. After about a week she said, “I like how this car rides better than my Sonata”. I said, “I told you you’d like it. It’s a softer ride, right”? She said, “OK, if that’s what you call it. I just like it better”. I told you she ain’t a car geek. :surprise:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I saw a Genesis and couldn't get over the similarities to the Solara. I think at least some of the styling cues were borrowed. Tell me I'm wrong.
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No! Unless you call being off 90 degrees close. It's better than being way off, like 180 degrees. I'm from the Eastern burbs.
I saw a Genesis and couldn't get over the similarities to the Solara. I think at least some of the styling cues were borrowed. Tell me I'm wrong.
WRONG ! What are you on? There is no comparison between the two. The Genny is way better.
One more swing/miss and your outta here.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I've had a Solara and now have a Genesis..... night and day! Although the Solara was a fine car (2000) the Genesis blows it away on many levels.
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