Bummer. That peppy little 4cyl is great. It's the same 4cyl vvt motor that will be in the 2002 Camrys! I wonder if your Canadian regional guys preferred to only request a flow of the V6'es, leaving the mix weak for the 4's? I know it's a little off the subject but they are going to begin promoting the Lexus-like Highlander with the new 2002 Camrys when they debut. Below is a link to the all new Camry photo: http://www.carsontoyota.com/upload/camry01.jpg http://www.carsontoyota.com/upload/camry2002r.jpg and I have a few more other photos (artist's renderings) as well.
All the "ECT SNOW" mode switch does is to have the tranny start in second gear instead of first. By "starting" they mean getting the car in motion, not starting the engine. I would use this if, for instance, the car was stopped in several inches of snow, and I didn't want the wheels to break free and spin while I pressed on the gas. Nothing new here, it's done all the time with manual gearboxes. This is different from putting the gear selector in "2", which starts the car in first gear, but doesn't let it shift higher than second (which may be good for towing on hills, when you want more engine braking action). When you have the car in "L", it will start in first, and stay there. Lots of engine braking action. -Steve
Just picked up my new HL Limited with all options. Was supposed to have dual sunvisors according to the promo materials. Mine did not and will call Toyota. Mine came with the center console and it is not too bad - better cup holders than on the side of the seat. Plus there is room for my wife's purse between the shifter and console - good since it is her car. Seats are very comfortable but on the small side. Best seats I have seen anywhere are on my Toyota Tundra LTD.
My big question is replacement tires. Mine came with Bridgestone H/T's which will not cut it in our snowy winters in Montana. Tire dealers are worse than car dealers for good info. It appears that the best choices are the Michelin LTX M&S or the new Michelin Cross Terrain. The Goodrich tire is rated well but what experiences have others gone thru in replacing OEM tires? Thanks.
All the "ECT SNOW" mode switch does is to have the tranny start in second gear instead of first. By "starting" they mean getting the car in motion, not starting the engine. I would use this if, for instance, the car was stopped in several inches of snow, and I didn't want the wheels to break free and spin while I pressed on the gas. Nothing new here, it's done all the time with manual gearboxes. This is different from putting the gear selector in "2", which starts the car in first gear, but doesn't let it shift higher than second (which may be good for towing on hills, when you want more engine braking action). When you have the car in "L", it will start in first, and stay there. Lots of engine braking action. -Steve
I tried to take the roof rack crossbars off but couldn't figure out how to do it even with the thumb wheel screws removed. From what the manual said, I get the idea that Toyota doesn't recommend removing them as they provide lateral support to the sun roof. I don't have any whistling noise so I was just removing them for the ease of cleaning the roof and lowering wind resistance. Might ask my dealer next time I'm in but for now will leave well enough alone. Wally
There really are not any "roll over ratings" for any vehicle. The government is developing a system to rate this, but the method is very flawed. It only takes into account height, weight, width and plugs it into a theoretical formula. This does not take into account suspension type, AWD, FWD or RWD, countermeasures like VSC or real world testing. It seems designed to scare people and nothing more. The HL has not been rated with this yet.
In general, AWD SUVs with unibody construction and independent suspension tend to have lower roll over incidents than other SUVs. It still isn't a sports car and shouldn't be driven like one. It does have a lower center of gravity and is wider than a lot of other SUVs. The AWD system will help maintain control in a corner and the option VSC will prevent understeer (the leading cause of roll overs).
My Michelin dealer finally got my tires in this week. They were on back-order. With less than 100 miles on them thus far, they're great!!!
The biggest change is the reduction of the body lean in corners (it's still not a BMW, but it's not a boat either). Next comes the improved braking...it just feels better than it did with the Bridgestone tires. They're quiet, smooth, comfortable, and very responsive.
I'm very happy with my investment, but all isn't perfect. I now notice that the new tires are picking up more rocks than the old tires did. It's probably due to the more aggressive tread pattern. I have undercoat and rustproof, but prefer not to have rocks hitting the wheel wells. I'm keeping an eye on this and slow down when loose gravel is evident.
There are some Cross Terrain posts on the Lexus RX300 board. They have many more miles and seem to really like the tires. All in all, I think the improved cornering justifies the expense. The improvement is remarkable!!!
My HL should be here in 30-60 days and I'm considering different tires too. I'm 30 miles north of Chicago and rarely, rarely go off road, just a lot of winter driving for X-country skiing in the upper Midwest. The best, I believe is to have 2 sets of wheels/tires. My choices are Michelin Cross Terrains for 3 seasons and Michelin Artic/Alpins mounted on a second set of steel wheels (from tirerack.com)for winter driving. For a single set of tires for everything in Montana with potentially more off road and snow I believe Michelin LTX M&S might be a better choice than Cross Terains.
At the risk of offending other drivers, the formula for vehicle rollover propensity is as follows:
Vehicle Weight - Vehicle Height x Velocity(2)+ Operator Skill - Surface Conditions x Operator Stupidity(2) = ROLLOVER
With all candor, the information you have seen regarding vehicle rollover is not based on scientific evidence or actual tests. It is a conclusion reached by comparing vehicle specifications [height/weight/wheelbase/track] through a computer analysis.
For a clear perspective on this subject, check out what the real experts at Car & Driver have to say in their test of a Ford Explorer at:
You will be comforted when you discover that a '94 Explorer with 120,000 miles can blow a rear tire at 70mph with hardly a wiggle in the steering wheel! The testing was also shown on Car & Driver TV, and it was uneventful but dramatic. As with most vehicles, your new HL is extremely stable and only adversely affected by the loose nut behind the wheel. Drive safely!
Thanks for the interest in the consoles but at this time they can only be installed before the vehicle arrives at the dealer.
Due to the highly technical procedure for the install of Highlander consoles, this genuine Toyota part is only available as a Port Installed Option at this time - PIO # CA10. Please review your current and future allocations to ensure that you have added CA10 to your Highlanders. You will not be able to acquire this console for your customer(s) after the fact.
Please let me know if there is any other options that SET has that may be desirable and I am happy to provide you with any info you may need. It is rare when the part is only available as a PIO and can not be dealer installed
I picked up my non-Limited HL in Chicago on 4/4. I live just East of St. Louis and hadn't been able to find the non-limited in the area. The St. Louis dealers I talked with said there would be a premium above the MSRP. As a last resort, after trying other internet sites, I tried Priceline. They found a dealer in Chicago willing to sell the car at my price. I now have a Millenium Silver with AG, CF, DR, CQ, GN, SK, PE, WL, V5, andDL. THe only other option I am considering is the HP. The car drives and handles great. I even sold my 96 RAV4. The MSRP was $29555 and I paid $28267 plus $50 to Priceline. This is a lot better than what I could have done in St. Louis if they had these cars. I am very happy with the entire process. I had been looking since early February.
The C&D tests to simulate a rear Firestone tire blowing were flawed. Very flawed:
1. Their test did not "blow" the tire, just deflated it rapidly. There's a world of difference.
2. In the hundreds of Explorer/Firestone accidents, often the tread separated and wrapped around the axle. This situation did not develop in the C&D tests because there was no separation.
3. The C&D tests used an experienced driver that knew what was coming. Unlikely many if any real world drivers could match his reactions or knowledge.
I applaud C&D (to which I subscribe) for trying these tests but I wish they had done a few by really blowing the Firestones -- but even then it would not match the real world with tread separations, amateur drivers, etc.
I only found two ISOFIX car seats currently in existence to use for my 9 month old in our new Highlander. After reading the reviews I chose the Fisher Price Safe Embrace II. This seat is exactly like the Fisher Price Safe Embrace, but with straps for the ISOFIX anchors. I could not find it anywhere but this website: http://dmartstores.com/safemiiconca.html
We really like it, and feel very secure with having the ISOFIX latches.
Has any one noticed any unusual suspension noise? At about 1,500 miles, my front left starting making noise when making a right hand turn. Now, it will make the same noise when I go over speed bumps. The 98 Camry I traded in on the HL used to make a noise alot like this. It took two years to get the Camry fixed right. Hopefully this is a different noise and will go a way with a little more break in mileage.
I have a 2WD V6 that I drive mostly in city, maybe 20-30 minutes highway daily. I'm still on 400 miles and my readout says I average 14.5 +/- mpg. Is this normal? Will it get better with time?
hialeahmania - Gas Mileage I can only compare what you have said to my experience, but I think you shoud do better ..... but there are so many factors. Driving habits being the greatest. Fast starts, warming up the engine on cold mornings, stopped in traffic all will significantly lower the mileage. I have consistently achieved 22-24 mpg (V6, 4WD, Unlimited) but I live in a small village with virtually no "town" driving. Come summer, it should do 2-3 mpg better when the Government no longer requires the winter blended fuel. Good Luck.
I would recommend taking it in to get checked. I 've read almost all of the posts on this site and they have been pretty consistent at the estimated 18-22 mpg or higher for city/highway. I towed my tent trailer from Salt Lake City to Los Angeles and ranged from 17 to 21.
If you didn't reset the avg mpg function after you took delivery of the vehicle, it's possible the read out is wrong. I would check the mileage the old fashioned way. Also, I would reset the avg mpg function next time you fill up.
hialeahmaria- Are you measuring your MPG by odometer miles/gallon or by the digital readout above the radio, if you have a "Limited" HL? You may want to reset your digital mpg readout, to get a more current fuel usage. You can do this by pressing the "info" button (just above the AC button) and holding it in for a few seconds until it rests to 00. It will start in the low #'s...but you should see the cumulative MPG build up, hopefully after about 10 or so miles... you should be in the low twenties. The CPU updates every 10 seconds.
If you don't see an improvement.. I'd take it back and have it looked at. Probabally something very minor.. Keep us updated on how you are making out.
I still have not recieved my "Manik" step bars, hopefully next week...they'll be in..
Still waiting for word back from toysport.com. Re: Kluger V console parts availability etc..
GAS MILEAGE I'm in Miami, FL, where it's hot, hot, hot! In-city driving with lots of traffic lights. No fast starts, just poking around (until I reach my break-in limit...Ha!). I will try resetting the digital info and I'll check it the old fashioned way. I'll update soon.
ALSO, does anyone know why they put car tires on the HL versus SUV/LT tires (Cliffy or Dianne?). I have Goodyear Integrity 225/70/16. Perhaps since its based on the Camry platform? I would like great traction (for our rainy season), low noise and great braking/performance. I wanted to trade up to Michelins (Cross Terrain SUV)and was thinking of getting them a bit wider, also. Does anyone know about correct fitment as far as a larger rim (18x7, 18x8). I noticed that to add larger rims to the RX300 (TRD), you need spacers for the rear wheels. Any info is appreciated.
My white HL limited V-6 all wheel drive and gold emblem package (looks sharp!) should arrive Tuesday or Wednesday. I was considering the new Oldsmobile Bravada, but had some concerns with a GM product in its first year of production....guess I had reason for concern. Now I'm wondering about the wind noise. Mine will have the wind deflector with the power moonroof. Has anyone experienced the whistling noise with the wind deflector installed?
WIND NOISE: I have the roof rack and the sunroof with deflector. I have not heard the whistling noise yet. I've gone up to 70mph just to listen for the noise and have not heard it. The top winds here in Miami have been 15-20 mph in the last week or so and still no noise. I do hear the air resistance against the roof rack, but it's minor and if I have the radio on, forget it.
Maybe with gusty winds I'll hear it. By the way, my crossbars are at the back of the rack about a foot apart.
Well I must say that I am very impressed with this vehicle folks.Just picked it up wednesday and can tell all who are thinking about buying,that this is a well thought out vehicle.If you are a lurker on this site and are considering an SUV,LOOK AT THIS AND DRIVE IT! I lease a Lexus ES300 and this ride is every bit as quiet and fun to drive.My wife absolutely loves it!We had a 95 Grand Cherokee Laredo and the noise level in the HL vs the jeep is like nite and day.We can actually hear our kids talking to us from the backseat without engine or wind noise muffling the conversation.Had the Grand Cherokee Laredo refined it's engine for goodness sakes we'd probably still own one.Also,I recommend the JBL 6 disc upgrade,it's very clear and loud.HEY squeaker,no problems on the wind noise here.Just had ours out this weekend doing highway miles and quiet as a mouse.
What is the difference in performance alluded to in the mfg. suggested octane rating for the V6? They indicate that optimal performance will be achieved through using premium fuel but do not say if there is a downside to using regular. Is it acceleration, mileage, pinging, etc.??
Don't know about the HL (we haven't rec'd. ours yet), but I suspect it's probably very similar to our Avalon regarding fuel octane requirements. Our Avalon ('97) only needs 87 octane and does fine with that (no ping, etc). However, if I put high octane (premium) in it, I feel a definite improvement in engine performance (acceleration). It just seems "peppier". Haven't noticed any change in mileage. Just my opinion....
Octane Question Only an opinion: The engine was designed to run on 87 octane, and the use of anything higher is not necessary. "High test" in my area is .20 more per gallon than 87. Years ago an engine with high compression ration required "high octane." I recall using 100 octane in the 60's. Remember Ethyl additives that raised octane? Todays engine can burn 87 because of the computer controlled systems that monitor many engine functions and make all sorts of corrections/alterations to spark advance, fuel/air ratios and more. Something must give, however, and I would expect a small compromise in perormance. But I am more than satisfied with the performance of my HL, and the extra .20/gal is certainly not worth the added cost. But to each his own, to you, it may be worth the added cost. Happy motoring.
I'm seriously considering purchasing a Highlander within the next several months, but haven't decided on which model to purchase (the V6 or the 4-cylinder). I was impressed with the 4-cylinder's mileage at 22/27, but does it have enough power to carry 3-4 passengers. The horse power on the 4 cylinder is 155 and V6 is 205. Have people here tested both models? If you have, can you describe your experience?
I don't know if he is right or not, but a Central Florida mechanic/radio show host swears that you should use the highest octane availible whether the manufacturer recomends it or not. For him it is not a pinging or performance issue, but a cleanliness issue. He says that lower octane fuel evaporates faster and leaves (carbon?) residue to build up on your valves and injectors. He says that the higher octane evaporates slower thus getting more of the fuel/ingrediants to the cylinders where it is burnt up.
I would be interested in hearing from any chemistry majors out there that could corroborate this view. Assuming it is true then I think it is wise to spend the extra 20 cents a gallon for a cleaner engine.
Octane - jdlaw2 You raise an interesting question that I am ertainly not qualified to answer. Just "thinking with my fingers" I suppose there are other factors to consider. Like, if the vehicle will be traded in 3-5 years, a "cleaner" engine may not be as big a factor as one kept for 10+ years. I do not like to admit it, but I have a 92 Acura that called for premium fuel. Becuase of that .20/gal, we have used 87 octane fuel for years. I cannot see any negative impact. The engine is quiet, responsive, and delivers 24-25 mpg. I wonder how much evaporation there is from a modern engine? I thought it was a closed system? Evaporation would have a negative environmental impact would it not? I hope someone more knowledgable will answer. Happy motoring.
I have been shopping around for about two weeks now and decided the v6 Highlander was the one for me. I went through AutoBuyTel and beat the dealer prices by $800. The agent told me however that Toyota is planning a price increase on Highlander around the middle of May....2-3 %. Anyone else heard of this?
Anyone have any experience buying out of state and having the vehicle shipped as opposed to driving in back? I live in Texas and want a minimally equipped HL. Am considering purchasing one from Dianne at Carson. Just wondering what it would cost to ship from Carson, CA to Dallas, Texas. Anyone have an idea?? Thanks
"Todays engine can burn 87 because of the computer controlled systems that monitor many engine functions and make all sorts of corrections/alterations to spark advance, fuel/air ratios and more. Something must give, however, and I would expect a small compromise in peformance."
You may want to ask this question in the Maintenance & Repair message board, but it's not true that any engine can run consistently on 87 octane gasoline. If the manufacturer designs an engine for at least 91 octane, using lower octane fuel for extended periods of time will prematurely wear out the engine. It is not good for the computer to keep retarding ignition to compensate for the lower octane level. In fact, this is the reason why you get lower fuel economy if you use lower octane fuel for an engine that is designed for the premium stuff. Consult your owner's manual for detailed information.
Perhaps Cliffy or Dianne can shed more light on this? What does the owner's manual say?
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Here's an article titled "The Low-Down on High Octane Gasoline" that might help give you another insight about this issue. This is on a popular radio personality's site (Dr. Bill Wattenburg). He's been trying to educate people about the octane issue for years on his SF bay area radio talkshow. Though I'm certainly no Wattenburg disciple, I find his info on this subject to be worth reading about.
GREG, why not just book a one-way flight to LA and pick it up? Then put the 500-1000 break-in miles by making short trips south to San Diego, etc. Believe me, it's beautiful there. What could be better than cruising in a new HL in SoCal? Right Dianne???!!
We were just given an advance warning of the pricing increase for 5/1/01 on Sequoia, Tacoma, Rav4, and Landcruiser. There were no mentions of Highlander pricing increase in that memo.
GWkiser, I have sold plenty of Sequoias and Tundras to folks that I get from LAX/OC airports. Solara ragtops too. The drive back home's got to be a short vacation of sorts. Lots of Northern CA folks pop down, grab their cars, and sail home up the coast too. (Thanks!!) Dianne
The manual states that the minimum octane rating is 87. It goes on to state that for "improved performance" the use of a premium unleaded with an octane rating of 91 or higher is recommended. I assume that this means it was designed to run with the higher grade but will not be damaged by lower grade fuel. This discussion comes up over month or so on various topics. In the Solara topic a few months ago, two different people claimed much improved fuel economy with the premium. We're not talking about 1 or 2 MPG but a 15% improvement. I can't confirm this but you may want to check mileage both ways.
Octane Discussion Anyone still having questions about the correct octane ... read post #1889 and look at the link ....... it seems to be the best authority thus far.
I am intending on test driving a Highlander but am wondering about how roomy the driver's seat is.
I am Six foot three inches tall and am wondering if someone with my height can comfortably fit into this car (I tried to test drive a Ford Escape for instance any my legs couldn't fit under the steering wheel). Any comments and/or sharing of experiences would be appreciated.
I'm 6 feet 4 inches tall and I find my Highlander to be very comfortable. I fact it's the only car I've had where I don't have the seat back as far as it will go.
My lovely Bluestone V6 FWD HL was delivered here in Colorado on Saturday. Took about a week from the time Dianne received my payment via a FedEx pack she had sent me. The car arrived very dirty (Dianne assures me it left CA spotless and photos she sent via the Internet sure looked a lot better!) but giving the car a thorough bath bonded us.
Today was my first day driving about town - up to 37 miles already and I am thrilled. Feels great. Those of you who have been following the forum for awhile know I had a difficult time locating a FWD with VD and BE here in Colorado. Lots of "we can order what you want but it will take four months... so why not take what's on the lot".
The features I thought I could do without (the moonroof and heated seats) are actually becoming my favorites. Today was a chilly day in CO and going about town with a warm bum helped keep my spirits up. (Still not used to these cold brown springs - I'm a Southeast transplant). Of course a brand new beautiful car helped a lot also!
Could someone review the burning smell? I remember reading something about it and can't find the posting. Also would be interested in more info on the Homelink feature or is it in the manual? Haven't got through the whole thing yet.
Also a 6'4" type, I have the 8 way power seat, came with the Limited package. I find I am very comfortable and do make use of the variety of seating adjustments and also vary the lumbar settings.
I test drove the 4 but bought the V6. My old car was a four cylinder and I wanted more power, driving the Tundra (V8) kinda does that to you. Anyways, I took the 4 cyl up a major hill on the freeway here (H-2, no interstates in Hawaii, so it's designated with an H, not an I) and it didn't have enough power for me, but I think you have to test it for yourself to decide what works for you.
I am completely satisfied with the V6. It is so quiet.
RE Co Bluestone Congratulations! Homelink info is well explained in the manual, I took a week before getting around to setting mine. Very easy, I needed to do the extra steps to set for a "rolling code" type opener. It does take a positive press on the button before it opens, I used to just tap the Genie remote, but now I press until the door actually moves, it does have better range than the Genie.
Regarding the burning smell, I noticed it too, was gone within a couple of days.
I rember some postings regarding the glass breakage sensor, wanted to look at the setting on mine and have not found it. Could some one post if it is on the drivers side or the pax side and maybe the color or an identifying feature? Been looking under the dash and no luck yet.
The other question is in regards to the Owner's manual, I have the regular book plus an Owner's manual supplement with warranty and scheduled maintenance. My question is, does any one have the Highlander listed as a vehicle in the scheduled maintenance section? Page 20 and 28 divide the Toyota vehicles into differing schedules and the Highlander is not listed. As a reference, the back cover has this info, Printed in Japan 0006 No 460-US-9E.
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Below is a link to the all new Camry photo:
http://www.carsontoyota.com/upload/camry01.jpg
http://www.carsontoyota.com/upload/camry2002r.jpg
and I have a few more other photos (artist's renderings) as well.
Dianne
-Steve
My big question is replacement tires. Mine came with Bridgestone H/T's which will not cut it in our snowy winters in Montana. Tire dealers are worse than car dealers for good info. It appears that the best choices are the Michelin LTX M&S or the new Michelin Cross Terrain. The Goodrich tire is rated well but what experiences have others gone thru in replacing OEM tires? Thanks.
-Steve
(Sorry, can't help with the car seat question.)
Wally
In general, AWD SUVs with unibody construction and independent suspension tend to have lower roll over incidents than other SUVs. It still isn't a sports car and shouldn't be driven like one. It does have a lower center of gravity and is wider than a lot of other SUVs. The AWD system will help maintain control in a corner and the option VSC will prevent understeer (the leading cause of roll overs).
The biggest change is the reduction of the body lean in corners (it's still not a BMW, but it's not a boat either). Next comes the improved braking...it just feels better than it did with the Bridgestone tires. They're quiet, smooth, comfortable, and very responsive.
I'm very happy with my investment, but all isn't perfect. I now notice that the new tires are picking up more rocks than the old tires did. It's probably due to the more aggressive tread pattern. I have undercoat and rustproof, but prefer not to have rocks hitting the wheel wells. I'm keeping an eye on this and slow down when loose gravel is evident.
There are some Cross Terrain posts on the Lexus RX300 board. They have many more miles and seem to really like the tires. All in all, I think the improved cornering justifies the expense. The improvement is remarkable!!!
Vehicle Weight - Vehicle Height x Velocity(2)+ Operator Skill - Surface Conditions x Operator Stupidity(2) = ROLLOVER
With all candor, the information you have seen regarding vehicle rollover is not based on scientific evidence or actual tests. It is a conclusion reached by comparing vehicle specifications [height/weight/wheelbase/track] through a computer analysis.
For a clear perspective on this subject, check out what the real experts at Car & Driver have to say in their test of a Ford Explorer at:
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/columns/2001/January/200101 steeringcolumn.xml
You will be comforted when you discover that a '94 Explorer with 120,000 miles can blow a rear tire at 70mph with hardly a wiggle in the steering wheel! The testing was also shown on Car & Driver TV, and it was uneventful but dramatic. As with most vehicles, your new HL is extremely stable and only adversely affected by the loose nut behind the wheel. Drive safely!
Steve
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Due to the highly technical procedure for the install of Highlander
consoles, this genuine Toyota part is only available as a Port
Installed Option at this time - PIO # CA10. Please review your
current and future allocations to ensure that you have added CA10 to
your Highlanders. You will not be able to acquire this console for
your customer(s) after the fact.
Please let me know if there is any other options that SET has that may be desirable and I am happy to provide you with any info you may need. It is rare when the part is only available as a PIO and can not be dealer installed
They found a dealer in Chicago willing to sell the car at my price. I now have a Millenium Silver with AG, CF, DR, CQ, GN, SK, PE, WL, V5, andDL. THe only other option I am considering is the HP. The car drives and handles great. I even sold my 96 RAV4.
The MSRP was $29555 and I paid $28267 plus $50 to Priceline.
This is a lot better than what I could have done in St. Louis if they had these cars.
I am very happy with the entire process. I had been looking since early February.
1. Their test did not "blow" the tire, just deflated it rapidly. There's a world of difference.
2. In the hundreds of Explorer/Firestone accidents, often the tread separated and wrapped around the axle. This situation did not develop in the C&D tests because there was no separation.
3. The C&D tests used an experienced driver that knew what was coming. Unlikely many if any real world drivers could match his reactions or knowledge.
I applaud C&D (to which I subscribe) for trying these tests but I wish they had done a few by really blowing the Firestones -- but even then it would not match the real world with tread separations, amateur drivers, etc.
We really like it, and feel very secure with having the ISOFIX latches.
I'd still love my HL, even if it only did 10 mpg!
I can only compare what you have said to my experience, but I think you shoud do better ..... but there are so many factors. Driving habits being the greatest. Fast starts, warming up the engine on cold mornings, stopped in traffic all will significantly lower the mileage. I have consistently achieved 22-24 mpg (V6, 4WD, Unlimited) but I live in a small village with virtually no "town" driving. Come summer, it should do 2-3 mpg better when the Government no longer requires the winter blended fuel.
Good Luck.
I would recommend taking it in to get checked. I 've read almost all of the posts on this site and they have been pretty consistent at the estimated 18-22 mpg or higher for city/highway. I towed my tent trailer from Salt Lake City to Los Angeles and ranged from 17 to 21.
If you didn't reset the avg mpg function after you took delivery of the vehicle, it's possible the read out is wrong. I would check the mileage the old fashioned way. Also, I would reset the avg mpg function next time you fill up.
H.I.R.
If you don't see an improvement.. I'd take it back and have it looked at. Probabally something very minor.. Keep us updated on how you are making out.
I still have not recieved my "Manik" step bars, hopefully next week...they'll be in..
Still waiting for word back from toysport.com. Re: Kluger V console parts availability etc..
Have a great weekend everyone..
Hobie
ALSO, does anyone know why they put car tires on the HL versus SUV/LT tires (Cliffy or Dianne?). I have Goodyear Integrity 225/70/16. Perhaps since its based on the Camry platform? I would like great traction (for our rainy season), low noise and great braking/performance. I wanted to trade up to Michelins (Cross Terrain SUV)and was thinking of getting them a bit wider, also. Does anyone know about correct fitment as far as a larger rim (18x7, 18x8). I noticed that to add larger rims to the RX300 (TRD), you need spacers for the rear wheels. Any info is appreciated.
Now I'm wondering about the wind noise. Mine will have the wind deflector with the power moonroof. Has anyone experienced the whistling noise with the wind deflector installed?
Maybe with gusty winds I'll hear it. By the way, my crossbars are at the back of the rack about a foot apart.
Don't know about the HL (we haven't rec'd. ours yet), but I suspect it's probably very similar to our Avalon regarding fuel octane requirements. Our Avalon ('97) only needs 87 octane and does fine with that (no ping, etc). However, if I put high octane (premium) in it, I feel a definite improvement in engine performance (acceleration). It just seems "peppier". Haven't noticed any change in mileage. Just my opinion....
Only an opinion: The engine was designed to run on 87 octane, and the use of anything higher is not necessary. "High test" in my area is .20 more per gallon than 87.
Years ago an engine with high compression ration required "high octane." I recall using 100 octane in the 60's. Remember Ethyl additives that raised octane? Todays engine can burn 87 because of the computer controlled systems that monitor many engine functions and make all sorts of corrections/alterations to spark advance, fuel/air ratios and more. Something must give, however, and I would expect a small compromise in perormance. But I am more than satisfied with the performance of my HL, and the extra .20/gal is certainly not worth the added cost. But to each his own, to you, it may be worth the added cost.
Happy motoring.
decided on which model to purchase (the V6 or the 4-cylinder). I was impressed with
the 4-cylinder's mileage at 22/27, but does it have enough power to carry 3-4 passengers.
The horse power on the 4 cylinder is 155 and V6 is 205. Have people here tested both
models? If you have, can you describe your experience?
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wanna highlander
I don't know if he is right or not, but a Central Florida mechanic/radio show host swears that you should use the highest octane availible whether the manufacturer recomends it or not. For him it is not a pinging or performance issue, but a cleanliness issue. He says that lower octane fuel evaporates faster and leaves (carbon?) residue to build up on your valves and injectors. He says that the higher octane evaporates slower thus getting more of the fuel/ingrediants to the cylinders where it is burnt up.
I would be interested in hearing from any chemistry majors out there that could corroborate this view. Assuming it is true then I think it is wise to spend the extra 20 cents a gallon for a cleaner engine.
You raise an interesting question that I am ertainly not qualified to answer. Just "thinking with my fingers" I suppose there are other factors to consider. Like, if the vehicle will be traded in 3-5 years, a "cleaner" engine may not be as big a factor as one kept for 10+ years. I do not like to admit it, but I have a 92 Acura that called for premium fuel. Becuase of that .20/gal, we have used 87 octane fuel for years. I cannot see any negative impact. The engine is quiet, responsive, and delivers 24-25 mpg.
I wonder how much evaporation there is from a modern engine? I thought it was a closed system? Evaporation would have a negative environmental impact would it not?
I hope someone more knowledgable will answer.
Happy motoring.
Anyone else heard of this?
Anyone have any experience buying out of state and having the vehicle shipped as opposed to driving in back? I live in Texas and want a minimally equipped HL. Am considering purchasing one from Dianne at Carson. Just wondering what it would cost to ship from Carson, CA to Dallas, Texas. Anyone have an idea??
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You may want to ask this question in the Maintenance & Repair message board, but it's not true that any engine can run consistently on 87 octane gasoline. If the manufacturer designs an engine for at least 91 octane, using lower octane fuel for extended periods of time will prematurely wear out the engine. It is not good for the computer to keep retarding ignition to compensate for the lower octane level. In fact, this is the reason why you get lower fuel economy if you use lower octane fuel for an engine that is designed for the premium stuff. Consult your owner's manual for detailed information.
Perhaps Cliffy or Dianne can shed more light on this? What does the owner's manual say?
Good luck,
Drew
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Here's an article titled "The Low-Down on High Octane Gasoline" that might help give you another insight about this issue. This is on a popular radio personality's site (Dr. Bill Wattenburg). He's been trying to educate people about the octane issue for years on his SF bay area radio talkshow. Though I'm certainly no Wattenburg disciple, I find his info on this subject to be worth reading about.
Here's the link for the article:
http://www.kgoam810.com/viewentry.asp?ID=56319&PT=personalities
Di
We were just given an advance warning of the pricing increase for 5/1/01 on Sequoia, Tacoma, Rav4, and Landcruiser. There were no mentions of Highlander pricing increase in that memo.
Di
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Dianne
The manual states that the minimum octane rating is 87. It goes on to state that for "improved performance" the use of a premium unleaded with an octane rating of 91 or higher is recommended. I assume that this means it was designed to run with the higher grade but will not be damaged by lower grade fuel. This discussion comes up over month or so on various topics. In the Solara topic a few months ago, two different people claimed much improved fuel economy with the premium. We're not talking about 1 or 2 MPG but a 15% improvement. I can't confirm this but you may want to check mileage both ways.
Anyone still having questions about the correct octane ... read post #1889 and look at the link ....... it seems to be the best authority thus far.
Keep motoring and enjoying.
I am Six foot three inches tall and am wondering if someone with my height can comfortably fit into this car (I tried to test drive a Ford Escape for instance any my legs couldn't fit under the steering wheel). Any comments and/or sharing of experiences would be appreciated.
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Hi Greg,
My lovely Bluestone V6 FWD HL was delivered here in Colorado on Saturday. Took about a week from the time Dianne received my payment via a FedEx pack she had sent me. The car arrived very dirty (Dianne assures me it left CA spotless and photos she sent via the Internet sure looked a lot better!) but giving the car a thorough bath bonded us.
Today was my first day driving about town - up to 37 miles already and I am thrilled. Feels great. Those of you who have been following the forum for awhile know I had a difficult time locating a FWD with VD and BE here in Colorado. Lots of "we can order what you want but it will take four months... so why not take what's on the lot".
The features I thought I could do without (the moonroof and heated seats) are actually becoming my favorites. Today was a chilly day in CO and going about town with a warm bum helped keep my spirits up. (Still not used to these cold brown springs - I'm a Southeast transplant). Of course a brand new beautiful car helped a lot also!
Could someone review the burning smell? I remember reading something about it and can't find the posting. Also would be interested in more info on the Homelink feature or is it in the manual? Haven't got through the whole thing yet.
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I test drove the 4 but bought the V6. My old car was a four cylinder and I wanted more power, driving the Tundra (V8) kinda does that to you. Anyways, I took the 4 cyl up a major hill on the freeway here (H-2, no interstates in Hawaii, so it's designated with an H, not an I) and it didn't have enough power for me, but I think you have to test it for yourself to decide what works for you.
I am completely satisfied with the V6. It is so quiet.
Congratulations! Homelink info is well explained in the manual, I took a week before getting around to setting mine. Very easy, I needed to do the extra steps to set for a "rolling code" type opener. It does take a positive press on the button before it opens, I used to just tap the Genie remote, but now I press until the door actually moves, it does have better range than the Genie.
Regarding the burning smell, I noticed it too, was gone within a couple of days.
I rember some postings regarding the glass breakage sensor, wanted to look at the setting on mine and have not found it. Could some one post if it is on the drivers side or the pax side and maybe the color or an identifying feature? Been looking under the dash and no luck yet.
The other question is in regards to the Owner's manual, I have the regular book plus an Owner's manual supplement with warranty and scheduled maintenance.
My question is, does any one have the Highlander listed as a vehicle in the scheduled maintenance section? Page 20 and 28 divide the Toyota vehicles into differing schedules and the Highlander is not listed.
As a reference, the back cover has this info, Printed in Japan 0006 No 460-US-9E.
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I posted some White Limited photos over at the Yahoo Highlander Club. Thanks to rubytuesday for mentioning their postings over there.
What is the link to this club? The search program on Yahoo is down.