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2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I have already acknowledged that if it is done right it won’t leak. But why take the chance? A quality off the shelf fiberglass pan won’t leak and it doesn’t cost nearly as much as a lead pan covered with concrete installation costs. You are making my point when you said, “concrete is porous”. So why install something that is porous over lead that can be distorted by the weight of the porous concrete and won’t be as flexible as if it had no weight on it? That’s two things waiting for something bad to happen !!
I don’t see the benefit of putting concrete over a plastic/fiberglass pan. The pan is already water tight, so why put a heavy porous compound over it? More often than not when you get cute and mess with something that doesn’t require being toyed with you just create a problem. I am a firm believer in: "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Those would be the Schluter systems that I noted. They mkde light weight styrofoam pans and curbs. The pans have the slope right to the drain. Once covered with the membrane, they are waterproof.
I happen to be doing a master bath right now. I'm using an acrylic shower base with a built in seat (which I got a great price on from a customer) and concrete board walls. I'm going to use the Schluter to go over the concrete and then tile.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
10 days from now I will have officially owned my beloved Prelude for 9 years. The odometer rolled over the 140,000 mile mark Friday night on my way home. My Prelude is one of the last Preludes ever built. It was an attainable dream car of mine that I bought when I was 26 (I just turned 35) & It still puts a smile on my face every day I drive it. It handles brilliantly, gets decent gas mileage, & is a very unique automobile. To put things in perspective, I see more Porsche 911s in any given month than I do Preludes. It is mechanically flawless & my mechanic swears to me it should go at least 300,000 miles with no problems.
However, practicality is NOT one of my Prelude's strong suits. It is only a 2 door, has a tiny trunk, does not have LATCHes to properly secure my children's car seats, and low ground clearance that kept me home from work 3 times this past winter.
Our Acura TSX was purchased on the last day of the Cash 4 Clunkers program back in 2009. It is handsome, drives great, has every single option imaginable (hot seats, bluetooth, navigation, backup camera...), a huge trunk, & gets fantastic gas mileage. It currently has almost 33,000 miles on the clock.
Our family is going to need a new car sometime within the next year. I'll be able to explain more about this soon. We also want to do some work to our already finished basement (heat/ac/3 new windows/3 new doors/sheetrock & finish off one room). We are getting a nice tax return this year & can do 1 of a few things:
1: Have the basement work done, keep the Prelude, & either sell or trade in the TSX for an SUV with 3 rows (Honda Pilot EX-L 4WD w/ NAV).
2: Pay off the Acura, buy the above referenced Pilot for my wife, sell my Prelude, & take some money out of mutual funds to pay for the basement work.
3: Trade or sell the Acura, keep the Prelude, lease the aforementioned Pilot (15K per year) & Civic LX-S (12K per year).
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
but, pretty much 1 of the 3 is all that can happen (and if it is the bathroom, toss in another room done in the basement).
so in your case, as I see it, there are 2 Key things to accomplish:
bigger (more seats) for the wife, and something practical for you.
really 3 things, hang onto the prelude until you are dead.
To me, the acura is the thing to go. Work the numbers on the Pilot between lease/purchase (you seem to drive a lot). And find something cheap to be your daily mule, keeping the prelude for special occasions.
maybe lease the pilot, and but something used for you. Or, buy the pilot, and lease an Accord (they seem to have LX for low 2s, nothing up front).
or there are plenty of other smaller cars (mazda 3 say) that can lease out pretty cheap.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
As I do with cars, one day I'll run into someone I trust locally and pull the trigger on letting them do the work.
As far as your car conundrum, as most here know, I don't like leasing. I'm kind of thinking the opposite of fezo. !40K miles and regardless of your prelude being a good car, something big is bound to break, sooner rather than later. Then, all of your positive impressions will begin to tarnish.
You already said it was becoming impractical. I just saw the first TSX wagon yesterday. Sharp cars. Don't know how they compare in price to the Honda SUV, but it might be a good alternative.
After the "crash" of 2008, I've been on a quest to cut out any financial dealing which charges me interest....car loans/leases, credit cards, home equity, etc.
I'm down to just my mortgage as an account that charges me interest. That will be paid off in 3 years. Then, no more interest, on anything. It makes a huge difference in my yearly outlay not paying interest.
I have some mutual funds that are returning 10%+ again (finally). Unless you're getting at least 5% ROI, I'd use your mutual fund money for the car purchase.
Then again, that's just me.
But the question is, is it worth driving a commuter sled a few days a week so I can hold on to my Prelude for a little while longer? I work. A lot. 6 days a week. I leave the house @ 6:30 am & usually don't get home until 6:30 pm. Saturday our store is open 7:30 am - Noon. My vacation is the last 2 weeks in July every year. The 3 things that truly bring joy to my life are my family, cars, & The Yankees. I drive probably 19 - 20,000 miles per year.
I really do like the way our TSX drives. If we bought it out & sold the Prelude, that would become my car. I'd retain full rights to the 4WD Pilot for those mega snowy days. For the non-blizzard snow days, we have a set of Michelin Pilot
Arctic Alpin IIIs for the Acura.
I think used cars are a fantastic way to go if you've got cash to buy them with. Look at the fantastic deal Richard got on his SRX. Whatever I buy (or lease), I will have to make payments on. I don't feel comfortable making payments on a used car.
Looking forward to hearing more of EVERYONE'S input.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
The one question I have is, what do you think you will get for the Prelude? If you really want to keep it a long time a few thousand for it now will not amount to much down the road.
Case in point. Before I bought my house, I sold my beloved (mint condition) 89 Town Car. I got IIRC 4K for it back in 2004. I really didn't need the money, but was stock piling as much as I could living at home with my parents. I really miss that ride and with owning the home and having two cars now, coming up with 4K to spend on a toy is pretty hard to justify.
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1. DON'T touch your savings. You're young with a wife and children. For the next few years, we don't know where the economy is going. You'll feel better having some money tucked away in case things get worse. You have to think about your family first.
2. Sell the Prelude---nothing lasts forever. Get you a nice Pilot and keep your other car.
3. Don't redo your house beyond what it is truly worth---unless you plan to live in it for the next 50 years.
You're a hard worker with a good head on your shoulders. Think through all of this carefully. Leave yourself in as good a financial shape as possible.
As for used cars, I can afford now to pay cash. Still, an excellent one or two year old Pilot is not a bad idea. They have a good record for lasting. The cash allowance from your Prelude plus a little money down would give you a small payment for say three years. Plus, you would have a one or two year old warranty on the Pilot. Just something to consider.
Good luck. I know that you will make the right decisions.
Richard
Richard
When I was talking about shower pans I was talking about the “standard” types like most of us commoners have.
In January 2010 when we did the kitchen redo I went to a wholesale tile outfit to look at tile for doing the backsplash (already had the floor done from when we bought the house in ’98) and I got to talking to a couple “mudders” who do lead pan/concrete and Schluter System installations. This one guy said pretty much what you said about the custom shower jobs but he followed that up with there are a few companies (one right here in the Burgh) that will built you a custom prefabricated pan with a non-slip tile look bottom and they are pretty reasonable with the price on that compared to a total mud job. He likes to deal with the one here in the Burgh because they will come out to the house and make a template vs. working from sketches with dimensions when dealing with the out of town people. According to him doing mud jobs are almost a thing of the past compared to years ago but there are some people who will only accept a mud job when they are spending multi thousands of bucks to upgrade their bathrooms.
As for your car dilemma, you mention that the Prelude doesn’t have the child car seat latch system which is a BIG safety consideration that shouldn’t be over looked but I’m sure there has to be shops that can install these for people who want to keep their beloved cars. Then, as ‘graph’ mentioned, your baby ain’t getting any younger so now might be the time to take some pictures to put in the scrap book to show your kids and remind yourself of what you had. Of course then you’ll say, like I hear from Son #1, “I should have kept that ’74 Olds Omega 350 V8”. He got that car from his mother’s aunt when he was in high school. It had less than 24K miles in ’86 when Mrs. j’s aunt bought her ’86 Civic. When we moved back to the Burgh from SC in ’97, one of the locals bought it. To this day he still moans about that. Tough choices.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Let's do it. An 89 Cartier w/ turbine wheels and digital dash
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart
Graphicguy: What you say makes the most sense. I've always been very financially conservative. My best friend is the one who gave me the idea to pay off the TSX & get my wife the Pilot. I've had more than my fair share of fun with my Prelude. Even if it is not the perrenial ticking time bomb, I understand what you are saying. The TSX wagon is nice, but too small for our needs. Modern wagons are being marketed as "sporty" rather than "utilitarian," so functionality takes a back seat to form. Most Sport Wagons on the market today look great due to their steeply raked rear windows that cut down on their cargo capacity.
TJC78: As much as I would love to keep the Prelude, the $6500 - $7000 I could probably get for it will go a long way.
Richard: I've NEVER been one to extend myself beyond my financial means, so you don't have to worry about that. As for touching my savings, I didn't do that (With the exception of a little for my Prelude & some for my wife's engagement ring) from the time I was 13 until we bought our condo when I was almost 28. I lost $80,000 selling our condo & put pretty much every dime we've been saving into the downpayment of our beautiful home in CT. We are going to be in our home for many years as I don't anticipate the need or want to move again. For our basement which essentially doubles the square footage of our home, dipping into what little savings we have left to enjoy our home that much more is worth it in my book.
Jmonroe: The Prelude NOT having the LATCH system for the car seats means that right now, the only car we can transport the kids is my wife's TSX. If we ditch the TSX, then we'll still have the same problem.
I'll keep you all in the loop.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Well, I guess I don't know the Prelude market at all! I didn't realize that is what it would be worth. Honda's really hold their value. In that case, you are right that selling it would be a good option to help fund a new car purchase.
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2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Ill post details later on tonight, just need to build some suspense first, and maybe copy someone elses template lol
Without that info , I would keep the Prelude(got anywhere to park it for the winter?), keep the TSX for your daily driver and lease a CR-V for your wife for 2 or 3 years.
She would rather have you get her an RX350.
Unless you take long road trips, you don't need something as big as and thirsty a Pilot, yet.
In 2 or 3 years, when your kids are older and larger, re-evaluate.
A finished basement is a great thing when you have kids. You don't need it for them just yet, or is it going to be a man cave?
Consider the property tax impact in addition to the initial cost of finishing the basement.
Personally, I wouldn't cash in anything targeted for the long term.
My opinion is either the new vehicle or 'cash in' decision should be done soon.
Neither one seems to be getting better for the short term.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Like I said, the CRV is too small for what we need. Drives like you are sitting on a toilet.
I'm not a Toyota/Lexus guy. I'll go as far as saying I wouldn't be caught dead in one.
My basement is already finished. I'm looking to have 3 of the single pane windows replaced with more modern, efficient ones. There is a "barn door" that leads from my basement to the outside of my house. I want to replace that as well as the door that goes from my garage into the basement & the door that goes from the basement into the "office" that I'd like to turn into a guest room.
I want to put heat & AC down there too. Not expensive stuff, but not cheap either.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I got in a bit of a practical mood after our son was born and sold my immaculate 1988 M6. Do I regret it? Almost every day. About six months later I ordered my Club Sport, which I still have. Sometimes I think about selling it and using the money to help ease me into a Cayman or 1 Series M Coupe, but I wind up taking it for a long drive and I realize that I'd never really be happy replacing it with anything short of an M1:
Too many good memories, too much history, and there are only 3-5 others just like it.
Now, having said all that, being financially reckless is NOT a good thing; I HATE car payments and haven't had one since 2007. Still, you KNOW you love that car and if you sell it you'll always be trying to find it again- in one way or another...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I've learned that when making decisions, it is often wise to think like a millionaire and put down what you'd do if money was no object.
Then trim your desires to what is actually affordable keeping in mind your ultimate desires.
Good luck NY, but be cautious as we're heading for big economic changes.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
Still a nice chunk of change, however, I agree with RB on this. Don't sell it. Try and put away a few more bucks before you make a move to another (larger) vehicle. If you really love it, you won't regret it.
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nyccar I have a serious case of jetlag so I am not too sure if I can give you any really good advice about which car to buy.
My first car was a 1960 Austin Sprint
I wish I still had it but life goes on. We had a fantastic 92 Saab, but it was in an accident and my wife never felt safw in it once it was repaired...but I wish we still had that car. She got a 1999 MB Kompressor that was a fantastic to drive, but it got traded for a more sedate station wagon.
I guess my point is that we all become attached to our cars, especially when they are good ones. It is nice to keep them running and nothing looks better than an older car that is like new. But, the reality is, it is best to move on when the time comes...you came out a winner because you are selling your car before it has problems, you got good use out of it, your lifestyle and needs have changed...find something that will suit you now.
We can't hold on to our possessions forever. You left a condo for a home because that is what you want and need at this time. Do the same with the cars.
If you really want to be careful about spending a one or two year old 2nd car might make sense. It might be worth trying an Escape, or Flex etc. Seems to me the reviews say the Pilot is a good solid car, but not very exciting to drive.
I like your comments about the CR-V seats being like a toilet...I don't know how they can put a car on the road and not make it more enjoyable to drive.
Good luck.....I might be able to think better in a few days...jetlag lasts one day for every time zone and I have gone through 5.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I wanted the 62 but as a student/drugstore delivery guy it was out of my price range at $700 in 1967.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
To me, my Prelude is an amazing car. I do love it. It isn't a car like your M6 or my Dad's 1966 427 Corvette Roadster.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
You are right Mako..it was a Sprite. Mine was bought used in 67 and it was $425. I had to use 60 grade oil and even then it burned more oil than gas.
No trunk, just stuff your things behind the seats into a big metal shell. It was fun, but I like the convenience and features of todays cars...although that one really gave you the feeling of the road....like as if you were crawling on the road.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
It's not so much the car itself- it's how much YOU enjoy the car. If anything, I love my ti more than I did the M6. The ti is very similar to your Prelude in that it's an exceptionally nice sports coupe with an extremely loyal following. BMW doesn't build cars like the ti any more and Honda doesn't have a single new model even roughly equivalent to your car.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Not only that, but the memories you have associated with it too.
As well as reminiscing over the fun I used to have driving my first sports car, a MkII MG Midget, I also think back fondly to when I used to drive out with a girlfriend to the countryside or a cliff top, then set out a picnic on the tonneau cover and spend a long lazy sunny afternoon.
I love my life, but occasionally I do wish I could go back and experience some bits over again.
Somewhat taut suspension
Decent Acceleration
Reasonable Handling
Rich Interior Materials
High Quality Fit & Finish
4WD or AWD
Backup Camera
Navigation
3 rows of seats
LATCHes in all 3 rows
The truck that's really peaked my interest is the Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation. It is a Honda, reliable, relatively inexpensive, has cheap financing, and holds its value extremely well. My wife and I have to drive it to see how it goes.
I also really dig the Ford Flex. Gorgeous interior, lots of space, cool styling, available 355 Horsepower Twin Turbo V6. Gotta drive it obviously. It comes out to be a lot more money than the Pilot. I'll have to check, but I don't know how much more ground clearance is there as opposed to a "normal" sedan, like our TSX.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
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Excellent way to put it. People become emotionally attached to things that they should let go of. A big one is with stocks on the stock market. A stock is a winner and then buyers of that stock just don't feel right about taking a profit and buying something new. The ones that go up are usually the ones that will fall.
It's the same with a car. Someone a few months ago sold their car and wanted to call and see how the owner was doing with their pride and joy. Most people said don't do it...too much to lose and nothing much to gain.
Your Prelude (and they were great cars, smooth, solid, fun to drive) has served it's purpose and will be remembered fondly...probably better than waiting until you start cussing and swearing at it.
But, that's just me. On the other hand nothing looks better than a older car that is kept in mint condition. I just prefer a car to be reliable with the latest features...I don't have the patience for babying a car or having a car that won't start when I need to get somewhere.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I love my life, but occasionally I do wish I could go back and experience some bits over again.
I wouldn't share those fond memories with your wife...unless she was the one you took on the drive.
And don't go and buy a Miata and tell your wife you want to do the things you used to do in your younger days.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
You may laugh, butI think one car that has all the things you are looking for could be the 2011 Kia Sorento V6!
Read the Edmunds review, which rates it quite high. I like the fact you get 3 rows of seating in a pretty small package for an SUV....easier handling.
2011 Kia Sorrento
It might be hard for some people to get their minds around buying a Kia. But, I definitely think it is worth a test drive just to see how it compares.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Read the Edmunds review, which rates it quite high. I like the fact you get 3 rows of seating in a pretty small package for an SUV....easier handling.
It might be hard for some people to get their minds around buying a Kia. But, I definitely think it is worth a test drive just to see how it compares.
I took a brief look at the Sorento when we bought the CX-7. Didn't look inside, so cannot comment, but the feature list on the EX trim level was pretty impressive.
But .... I dunno .... I was having a hard time justifying $35K on a Kia, truth be told. The dealer I was at felt skeezy to me and I just never got a good feeling about the sales process or service after the sale.
I do see quite a few Sorento's on the road, however, so apparently not everyone shares my feelings.
nyccarguy, it sounds like your time with the Prelude was well spent, but perhaps it is time to part ways.
You can get $5K for it and do everything in your power to give it a good home, i.e. not sell it to some hoonigan who will trash the car inside of 6 months with either hard driving or an attempt to turn it into some sort of Fast & Furious wannabe. That $5K will be a nice down payment on the Pilot (or whatever you decide on), and you'll get to drive the TSX.
There are worse things than driving an Acura every day. Trust me - I've got a Saturn.
Depreciation is scary. I could buy this Pilot, drive it 100,000 miles & still get 10K for it. I already have positive equity in my Acura after less than 2 years.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Easy for me to say spend $35k for a Sorrento...I know.....but, the company is solid and is building good cars and they are selling. Actually, you would probably be safer buying a Kia than a GM or Chrysler as far as dependability is concerned.
People found the first Toyotas, Hondas and Hyundais weren't that great, but things changed.
But $35k for a Sorrento...even if it is loaded up is hard to imagine. For just over $40k you can probably get a BMW X1!
I still think it would be a good idea to test one...it has all the stuff on the list, and it is just to test as a comparison. I like to comparison shop, even if it just reinforces my original decision.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
That is a hard one to take. I don't know if I could do it. Like I said though, if my requirements were all the things on your list, I would try one out. You might be really pleased, or you might say, no I know the Pilot is the right car for me.
My wife can just go in and buy something if she likes it. I like to try out 2 or 3 just to make sure I am choosing the best one for me.
Are you sure you need a 3rd seat? That really narrows down the number of cars that could work for you. Without that you can get a BMW X1 and you will have the room of a small SUV with the handling of a European car, and it will give you the kind of enjoyment you get from the Prelude.
I know you won't believe it, but, ah, that''s what I would probably do.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Well, you were going to be redoing the house anyway.... :P
Fezo, That was the funniest thing I have heard this month. Your mind works in mysterious ways....I mean that in a good way.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I think nyc's kids are at an age where they start wanting to bring their friends everywhere they go, so having the flexibility of the 3rd row makes perfect sense.
When we got our '99 Expedition, it had the third row of seats that had to be removed (no stow and go capability at that time). When we took the Expo to California we had to leave the 3rd row behind so the luggage would fit.
I just read a news report that a new Chevy Volt did the same thing in CT. Kind of frightening to think these modern cars keep running the electronics long after you shut them down.
At work we've had a few pieces of machinery start burning when the starter kept running after the motor was shut off. In one case three school buses went up in flames.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I have a sort of sales story.
You might have heard me talk about my son's friend who runs a little car junking business. He's the guy you call when old Betsy finally dies and you're too busy to haul her to the crusher. If you're lucky you get paid a hundred bucks or so and the hauler makes a few hundred for his trouble. Very seldom are the cars he hauls away worth more than scrap--but sometimes he gets lucky.
The other day the friend is over to the house and he says to me "I think I made a pretty good deal on a car".
I asked him what he got and he said "A 1973 AMC Javelin 304 in running condition with no rust".
I asked him how much he paid and he said: "$250, I first offered him $200 but I had to go higher. I think I got a good deal. He was a rich old man and his wife was bugging him to get rid of some of the old cars he had".
I checked online and a 1973 Javelin that runs and isn't a total wreck is worth $3-5K with show quality restorations going for $15K.
If this thing turns out to not be a total junk I might want to buy it myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuogQwAzGgM
Let's hope this link works.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Your wife would be driving it most of the time. and on snowy days nobody will know it's you in the driver's seat.
As far as the basement goes, I didn't realize it was already finished, those sound like good upgrades.
In our basement, finished a couple of years after we moved in, we just ran duct work, no thermostat.
The builder recommended that we just use the vents to control the heat/cooling.
Basement bedrooms are supposed to have direct access to the outside, for fire escape reasons.
Your existing setup may be all set for that. Ours is not, so we skipped the downstairs bedroom.
An Explorer might work, but the only ones available are base models or are 45k+.
I don't think he is not looking to spend that much money.
My own aspirations to buy an Explorer are on hold for the same reasons.
Guess what, we're back in the same position again.
There are some screaming deals out there on big gas guzzlers. I saw a Silverado V-8 loaded in a local ad for $21,000 the other day. At least 10K off sticker.
So who has the courage to buy into the panic?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible